The pope's AI encyclical was good reading and reminds us to center human dignity, compassion, etc. Lots of ethics to explore with regard to AI and related cultural phenomena.
So when my priest raped me and the church protected him, that was an example of the ethical views and compassion and respect for human dignity you're talking about?
I guess I always have more to learn from this amazing institution, like how I'm an abomination for being queer.
I am sorry you had gone through that experience. The only church that illuminates at all is the one we can set on fire :')
PS. This thread can easily spin on another reiteration of the arguments around "separating the art from the artist". That text on AI may have a certain sympathy to some.. I haven't read it. After this post, I thought "maybe I should?". Thanks to your comment I got centered back in my perspective: "nah. the pope can say whatever he wants to. I won't be his supporter nor audience."
"The idea of promoting gender ideology is confusing because it seeks to create genders that don't exist. So God created man and woman, and the attempt to confuse ideas from nature will only harm families and people"
But he also recently approved a new treatise on human dignity that lists "gender theory" and gender-affirming surgeries — which many, though not all, trans people undergo — among the "grave violations of human dignity in our time," placing them alongside sexual abuse, human trafficking, poverty and abortion.
but you have to admit it is kind of funny that the original gaslighter organization which uses positive reinforcement to brainwash people into worshiping a deity of their own creation is trying to stop tech companies from doing the exact same thing, lol.
it was built on a weak foundation of lies for a people who are scared to die. But really who isn't... I remember hearing catholics say "those christians over there are not real christians" ...Then I proceeded to think neither of you two are christians but a lost people displaced by war, exploited by capitalist and no real memory of your past. Bondage is all they know. Without a scientific mind you just make shit up and in the hiearchy the poor pay more.
ps I think book reviews are stupid but a review of a machine is not. Yes please tell me how to think... Don't challenge my stupid ideas. I love my hug box....
We in the USA have a issue with secular and non secular idol worship... The pope is a CEO... Kinda like his own little corpo kingdom... kinda like these billionaire welfare queen pdfile anarcho capitalist libertarian tech ceos..and it seems like both parties can't keep their hands off the kids. Like musky boy is trying to create or already created. These catholic clergy are just grifters and fraudsters. It is sad to watch the elderly spiral into madness and these vampires love taking advantage of the weak while posing as "the good guy".... the world is a inversion of what people actually believe. It is hard to keep your head on straight with such a heavy knowledge base. I looked into the abyss and it spit in my eye.
I was raised Catholic, actually. Went to bible camp every summer, sang in the choir. The book is fantasy fiction and the preacher's livelihood depends on convincing people that all good things come from god and all bad things come from humanity.
The Son of Man as in the Messiah.
Matthew 26:64 Jesus said to him: “You have said it. Yet truly I say to you, hereafter you shall see the Son of man sitting at the right hand of the power of God, and coming on the clouds of heaven.”
May I have some of the verses you read that made you think that?
and no it does not, not at all
Most religious orders (the way that most people become priests or brothers) do not have you earn your own money, you live in formation houses or active communities with priests and brothers
That's the point of the garden of Eden story. God made everything and everyone, but we broke his impossible rules and now he punishes us forever, to the point that infants are born with sin.
Yeah but then you say a bunch of racist authoritarian shit and try to shrug it off as sarcasm when the crowd turns against you. You're not allowed to decide you were joking after the fact.
I think the leadership is less socially conservative compared to the past, but they represent some very conservative bases so they more or less are having to crawl progress forward or they risk a schism.
The previous pope, Pope Francis, stacked the Vatican with more progressive leaning cardinals. I believe Pope Leo will be following in Pope Francis’ footsteps in terms of appointments.
You know it's a strange year when both the Mullah regime of Iran and the Pope of the Catholic church put something out there and you can't immediately disagree...
Since the Catholic church now owns more land than anybody else on Earth (170 million acres), perhaps the Pope can grace us all by paying property taxes from this point onward? The church's unimaginable wealth should be able to cover it... everybody else manages it somehow.
And the farthest west you go, the more the federal government owns lands. In some states like Nevada, the state only owns a small portion of their state land.
This caused a lot of problems when the state courts tried to protect Native American lands being leveled by the Trump admin because of his bullshit wall but the federal government just outright ignored them.
That's not anybody! I will be more specific, the Catholic church owns more land than any other private organization on Earth, but yes governments own more, and can seize land from the Catholics, too. It's happened before.
That's not an anybody! Anyway, let me be more pedantic for you... they own more property than any other private organization on the planet Earth (of the Sol system).
Russia being a dictatorship implies they have total unquestionable control of all of Russian territory, which would put them at the top of the list by a lot.
Yes, they had a late start, Catholic church has been around for over a thousand years, Mormons need to catch up.
Still, they are doing rather well with around 2 million (sources vary) acres, the fifth largest landowner in USA. That's very impressive, not paying taxes helps them a great deal financially.
Are enough people going to church nowadays to warrant the big cash flows, as in the past? Went home to a family reunion last year and my aunt/uncles 8 children were raised catholic and went to church every Sunday. Discovered none of the kids, or their kids, go to church anymore.
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JangleJack@lemmy.world · 65 pts · 70d
The pope's AI encyclical was good reading and reminds us to center human dignity, compassion, etc. Lots of ethics to explore with regard to AI and related cultural phenomena.
melsaskca@lemmy.ca · 9 pts · 70d
"Fuck the ethical considerations and rush it through!" - most any american business person.
eestileib@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 70d
So when my priest raped me and the church protected him, that was an example of the ethical views and compassion and respect for human dignity you're talking about?
I guess I always have more to learn from this amazing institution, like how I'm an abomination for being queer.
anzo@programming.dev · 5 pts · 70d
I am sorry you had gone through that experience. The only church that illuminates at all is the one we can set on fire :')
PS. This thread can easily spin on another reiteration of the arguments around "separating the art from the artist". That text on AI may have a certain sympathy to some.. I haven't read it. After this post, I thought "maybe I should?". Thanks to your comment I got centered back in my perspective: "nah. the pope can say whatever he wants to. I won't be his supporter nor audience."
JangleJack@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 69d
I am not here to defend that institution at all.
IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf · -4 pts · 70d
you are not whoever told you this was doing the work of Satan
all of us are God's creations, and God doesnt make mistakes
your sins do not define you, the crucifixion set you free of them. Have faith in Christ.
And may I ask for your diocese or archdiocese? Have you reported him to the police yet? I am incredibly sorry that happened to you
Nelots@piefed.zip · 7 pts · 69d
I'm sure you meant well, but "have faith in Christ" is not an appropriate thing to say to someone that was assaulted by their priest.
eestileib@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 7 pts · 70d
The Pope (yes this one your precious Leo) calls me an abomination because I have had bottom surgery.
IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf · -2 pts · 69d
when has he said that?
SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 8h
https://www.npr.org/2025/05/09/nx-s1-5393705/pope-leo-stance-issues-lgtbq-climate-women-politics
Deadly ignorance.
IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf · 0 pts · 7h
im sorry, I dont see the word abomination here. It is harmful, but he didn't call it an abomination
SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 5h
https://www.ncronline.org/news/vaticans-condemnation-trans-surgery-new-theologians-discuss
FiniteBanjo@feddit.online · 55 pts · 70d
I stand behind Leo's message 100%,
but you have to admit it is kind of funny that the original gaslighter organization which uses positive reinforcement to brainwash people into worshiping a deity of their own creation is trying to stop tech companies from doing the exact same thing, lol.
faint_marble_noise@programming.dev · 22 pts · 70d
They are competing
honesthenery@thelemmy.club · 2 pts · 70d
OMGAWD yesss
freeman@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 70d
Yeah but at least that organization has not ever instigated a war, right?
pingu@piefed.europe.pub · 4 pts · 70d
Is an instititute not allowed to develop into something better over time?
freeman@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 70d
Certainly they have not at all stopped misinforming people. There are also still elements that promote hatred.
anomnom@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 70d
Have they ever truly gotten rid of the pedo problem either? Like all of the ones in the system?
badgermurphy@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 69d
honesthenery@thelemmy.club · 5 pts · 70d
it was built on a weak foundation of lies for a people who are scared to die. But really who isn't... I remember hearing catholics say "those christians over there are not real christians" ...Then I proceeded to think neither of you two are christians but a lost people displaced by war, exploited by capitalist and no real memory of your past. Bondage is all they know. Without a scientific mind you just make shit up and in the hiearchy the poor pay more.
honesthenery@thelemmy.club · 0 pts · 70d
Opus by Gareth Gore
ps I think book reviews are stupid but a review of a machine is not. Yes please tell me how to think... Don't challenge my stupid ideas. I love my hug box....
IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf · -1 pts · 70d
"who are scared to die"
if catholics are afraid to die, then all of you are defecating your pantaloons this instant
spongebue@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 70d
Certainly not one that has been around for centuries and has seen many different world views over the years!
halfwaythere@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 70d
Wait, so it's ok to brainwash as long as you're "good"?
honesthenery@thelemmy.club · 0 pts · 70d
honesthenery@thelemmy.club · 5 pts · 70d
We in the USA have a issue with secular and non secular idol worship... The pope is a CEO... Kinda like his own little corpo kingdom... kinda like these billionaire welfare queen pdfile anarcho capitalist libertarian tech ceos..and it seems like both parties can't keep their hands off the kids. Like musky boy is trying to create or already created. These catholic clergy are just grifters and fraudsters. It is sad to watch the elderly spiral into madness and these vampires love taking advantage of the weak while posing as "the good guy".... the world is a inversion of what people actually believe. It is hard to keep your head on straight with such a heavy knowledge base. I looked into the abyss and it spit in my eye.
Karl@literature.cafe · 4 pts · 70d
As much as I hate the organization, I want to forgive the people who run it. I want to believe they do it cuz they're brainwashed too.
FiniteBanjo@feddit.online · 1 pts · 70d
Some cardinals and popes were better than others, thats for sure.
PabloSexcrowbar@piefed.social · 4 pts · 70d
I've heard there are AI worshipping cults now. I wonder if that's got anything to do with it.
IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf · -4 pts · 70d
me when I know absolutely nothing about the Church and I watched a single netflix documentary
conartistpanda@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 70d
Pretty sure that documentary would be the more consistent and factually based religious piece of media out there.
IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf · -2 pts · 70d
when you just look at your machine like this 👁️👄👁️ because the reply is complete excreta
conartistpanda@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 70d
Fire with fire
FiniteBanjo@feddit.online · 2 pts · 70d
I was raised Catholic, actually. Went to bible camp every summer, sang in the choir. The book is fantasy fiction and the preacher's livelihood depends on convincing people that all good things come from god and all bad things come from humanity.
IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf · -2 pts · 70d
and Jesus Christ wasnt created by the Church.....
SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 8h
Jesus? No, but he was used by them. Christ? Yes, complete fabrication.
IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf · 0 pts · 7h
Jesus Christ literally said he is the Son of Man and assigned Pope Peter as the "rock" of his church
SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 5h
Again, there is no such thing as a christ, magic isn't real.
Isn't everyone?
And what does that mean? One of these four interpretations? https://www.gotquestions.org/upon-this-rock.html
Or something else entirely? Let's ask Jesus. Oh right... he died.
IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf · 0 pts · 5h
There is, stop strawmanning it to "magic"
The Son of Man as in the Messiah. Matthew 26:64 Jesus said to him: “You have said it. Yet truly I say to you, hereafter you shall see the Son of man sitting at the right hand of the power of God, and coming on the clouds of heaven.”
Jesus told him to "feed my sheep".
IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf · -4 pts · 70d
Please read the Bible further.
May I have some of the verses you read that made you think that?
and no it does not, not at all
Most religious orders (the way that most people become priests or brothers) do not have you earn your own money, you live in formation houses or active communities with priests and brothers
SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 8h
That's the point of the garden of Eden story. God made everything and everyone, but we broke his impossible rules and now he punishes us forever, to the point that infants are born with sin.
It's a death cult.
FiniteBanjo@feddit.online · 1 pts · 70d
Clearly I've read the bible more, and in more versions of, than you.
IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf · 0 pts · 70d
again, verses?
IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf · -2 pts · 70d
translations depend on literalness and the way its said
for example
the difference between
"I ate a bunch of fruit today"
and
"A bunch of fruit was consumed by me today"
FiniteBanjo@feddit.online · 1 pts · 70d
Yeah but then you say a bunch of racist authoritarian shit and try to shrug it off as sarcasm when the crowd turns against you. You're not allowed to decide you were joking after the fact.
IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf · -1 pts · 70d
please elaborate
IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf · -2 pts · 70d
?????
kilgore_trout@feddit.it · 55 pts · 70d
Why dumb down proper news reporting?
The "manifesto" is called Encyclical letter, and is the classical format of publications of the Catholic Pope.
pachrist@lemmy.world · 28 pts · 70d
Because manifesto gets type-cast as crazy.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 10 pts · 70d
AI wrote the article.
Lemminary@lemmy.world · 47 pts · 70d
I grew up so ideologically opposed to these guys that I hate it when they make a good point. 😩
ivanafterall@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 70d
They forgive you.
sunbeam60@feddit.uk · 10 pts · 70d
Sir, I tip my hat in your general direction. That was, as they say, a cracking joke.
oce@jlai.lu · 16 pts · 70d
They are socially conservative, but they have been fairly consistent at asking people not to kill each other for the past decades.
frostedtrailblazer@lemmy.zip · 11 pts · 70d
I think the leadership is less socially conservative compared to the past, but they represent some very conservative bases so they more or less are having to crawl progress forward or they risk a schism.
The previous pope, Pope Francis, stacked the Vatican with more progressive leaning cardinals. I believe Pope Leo will be following in Pope Francis’ footsteps in terms of appointments.
IratePirate@feddit.org · 14 pts · 70d
You know it's a strange year when both the Mullah regime of Iran and the Pope of the Catholic church put something out there and you can't immediately disagree...
jlow@slrpnk.net · 26 pts · 70d
Just disarm billionaires from their money.
YeOldGrim@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 69d
Why would he disarm himself?
unphazed@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 69d
Is this the beginning of the Butlerian Jihad?
InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 69d
And the Orange Catholic Bible
ChromaticMan@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 70d
This might be the first time I agree with a Pope.
ShotDonkey@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 70d
Read Laudato Sí.
W98BSoD@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 7 pts · 70d
The only manifesto I know:
https://phrack.org/issues/7/3
Ok. I guess I also know this one:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/longterm/unabomber/manifesto.text.htm
I guess this one too. Sigh:
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/download/pdf/Manifesto.pdf
givesomefucks@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 70d
I expected Mitnick, but I guess that was always 2600
IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf · 0 pts · 70d
phrack? BASED ALERT
Spacehooks@reddthat.com · 3 pts · 70d
Ok but no servitors either? Right? Right....
TronBronson@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 69d
Yeah, servatorize one right here, Gilloman
IratePirate@feddit.org · 2 pts · 70d
All hail the Omnissiah!
vane@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 70d
I thought that at this point everyone calls him Gandalf.
Mulligrubs@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 70d
Since the Catholic church now owns more land than anybody else on Earth (170 million acres), perhaps the Pope can grace us all by paying property taxes from this point onward? The church's unimaginable wealth should be able to cover it... everybody else manages it somehow.
tal@lemmy.today · 26 pts · 70d
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_lands
I'd also guess that the Russian and Canadian governments are up there.
mereo@piefed.ca · 9 pts · 70d
And the farthest west you go, the more the federal government owns lands. In some states like Nevada, the state only owns a small portion of their state land.
FiniteBanjo@feddit.online · 3 pts · 70d
This caused a lot of problems when the state courts tried to protect Native American lands being leveled by the Trump admin because of his bullshit wall but the federal government just outright ignored them.
Mulligrubs@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 69d
That's not anybody! I will be more specific, the Catholic church owns more land than any other private organization on Earth, but yes governments own more, and can seize land from the Catholics, too. It's happened before.
Mulligrubs@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 69d
https://www.forbes.com/sites/joewalsh/2021/07/24/vatican-owns-over-5000-properties-worldwide-it-reveals-in-first-disclosures-on-its-real-estate-holdings/
That's not an anybody! Anyway, let me be more pedantic for you... they own more property than any other private organization on the planet Earth (of the Sol system).
FiniteBanjo@feddit.online · 1 pts · 70d
Russia being a dictatorship implies they have total unquestionable control of all of Russian territory, which would put them at the top of the list by a lot.
ivanafterall@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 70d
Fun, semi-related fact: the Mormons own approximately 2% of Florida.
Mulligrubs@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 69d
Yes, they had a late start, Catholic church has been around for over a thousand years, Mormons need to catch up.
Still, they are doing rather well with around 2 million (sources vary) acres, the fifth largest landowner in USA. That's very impressive, not paying taxes helps them a great deal financially.
Ask L. Ron Hubbard
melsaskca@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 70d
Are enough people going to church nowadays to warrant the big cash flows, as in the past? Went home to a family reunion last year and my aunt/uncles 8 children were raised catholic and went to church every Sunday. Discovered none of the kids, or their kids, go to church anymore.
Mulligrubs@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 69d
They're losing membership, but they have been unimaginably wealthy since the Middle Ages, they'll be fine. Not paying taxes helps, of course.
(that's just for the USA, they could be gaining membership elsewhere)
IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf · -1 pts · 70d
what? the vatican is larger than the US? aahahahahahahahahaha
Mulligrubs@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 69d
Did you know the Catholic church is much larger than the Vatican? IT'S TRUE
https://www.forbes.com/sites/joewalsh/2021/07/24/vatican-owns-over-5000-properties-worldwide-it-reveals-in-first-disclosures-on-its-real-estate-holdings/
ha hahaha hahaha hahahaha haaahaahahahahahaha
IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf · 1 pts · 69d
IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf · 0 pts · 69d
if the vatican has more property than Russia and even all of BRICs combined, 😃
guerilla_ontologist@lemmy.world · -4 pts · 70d
IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf · 0 pts · 70d
@youcantreadthis is this your alt
Willy@sh.itjust.works · -10 pts · 70d
While we are regulating concepts, I wonder if anyone has tried regulating religions or economic styles.
homes@piefed.world · 53 pts · 70d
its_kim_love@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 10 pts · 70d
Both?
Rugnjr@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 69d
Yes. People have tried both of those things. Heck, the encyclical even talks about it. It's very long
dasrael@lemmy.zip · -11 pts · 70d
Cult leader in white robe writes about stuff he doesn't understand.
IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf · -1 pts · 70d
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Leo_XI please read up