That's a lawsuit waiting to happen. People bought a license to use a product, with the reasonable expectation that said license would be both perpetual and unchanging.
Yeah, Microsoft is gambling that the number of users who care enough to act are too small, or won't bother, or won't realise they can.
This is how big corporations get away with this shit. It's not "illegal" in the criminal sense, but it is a breach of contract between Microsoft and those affected; and they likely could win against Microsoft.
The good news is the outrage over this is probably more damaging than any settlement or long drawn out legal case even would be. It's at just the right time as Microsoft deals with major issues and unhappiness with Windows users over poor updates, crappy feature changes to Win 11 and of course force feeding of CoPilot down every users throat, while also decimating their own staff to save money for AI and polluting their own products codebases with shitty AI generated slop. Perfect storm has hit Microsoft, and they don't even realise how bad it is yet.
As an Apple user, I laughed at this... the one thing we all want is NOT to have Gemini or AI on our phones. I mean, if we wanted Gemini, we could just use Google & Android.
It’s crazy how once these companies get big enough, they become a cancer that just slowly self-destructs. Everything that’s going wrong in their business can be blamed solely on them. Just all around gross incompetence in the most absurd, blatant way possible. I really hope that, in the near future, we see the main opinion of Microsoft finally coming around to understanding this redundant company’s pig-brained, slop-obsessed stupidity.
While generally true, sometimes it is about the principle of it, and the only way it makes sense to address it is through class action.
If I join in on a class action suit, it's more about making the company pay (and hopefully changing their, and others', policy to avoid future lawsuits), than getting a check for $8.25 in the mail 3 years down the line.
ok but you recognize they wont change their policy right? they will profit more from their shitty anticonsumer policies than they'll ever pay through class actions, may as well go full luigi if it's about making executives pay consequences for their actions
the only way forward is organizing, nothing else will be effective
god these are some depressing links, first one includes roe v. wade, third one is a list of corporations doing terrible shit and those corporations are pretty much all doing the exact same shit.
Why do you think Roe v Wade is a bad example? It made abortion legal for like 50 years.
Sure bud, just ignore:
Brown v. The Board of Education that resulted in the desegregation of all public schools in the US.
The "Scopes Monkey Trial" is why US public schools are even allowed to teach evolution.
Tobacco Master Settlement Agreement which resulted in outlawing advertising tobacco products on billboards and during sporting events, and brought in over $200 billion to states for medical expenses related to smoking.
Both the Enron and WorldCom suits led directly to the Sarbanes-Oxley Act.
The Agent Orange suit by Vietnam vets that led directly to the Agent Orange Act of 1991.
Etc.
It seems like you think I believe that this is the best and only way for things to change, which is literally the exact opposite of what I said.
adventurism is not an effective method for long term change, we need to organize and work together, doing random acts of violence doesn't really move the needle
Whats really funny is that the interface is closer to MS Office 2003 which was Office pre "ribbon" interface. So the current version of MS office is actually the weird one that changed.
I don't think it was ever bad, the compatibility with Microsoft office is not completely their yet making it not usable to Excel experts of for some teachers due to docx support being a bit lackluster
It is worth pointing out that the only reason docx support is lackluster is because of active efforts from MS to undermine third party support. It is a interesting story actually, but I don't recall exactly, but it goes like this, there was some regulatory push to open formats and MS undermined this by creating and making the docx (and all other *x family) open but make it so convoluted and unnecessarily difficult. If I am not mistaken they even keep unnecessarily updating and changing it so third party is always lagging behind in support and the cherry on top that MS don't correctly implement its own format on purpose so the files are effectively broken for anyone that follows the spec to a T.
But I've also run into cases where LibreOffice could do things Excel couldn't at the time.
Like enter strings that are longer than 255 characters into a cell.
I remember reading about how LibreOffice was better at recovering broken Excel files than Excel itself. It was a long time ago, but I wouldn't be surprised if that still were the case at all.
That might be the case, but in most cases you will be unable your work due to limitations in Libreoffice.
Look I like it and I use it, but I have major issues with the sheets missing functions and the Word just being incompatible. Like not being able to put the figure number below images or not being able to keep track of changes made when enabled.
Yeah, but given how many time I have used libreoffice and before that open office to do what word and excel couldn't, I am not very concerned with themes.
Gotcha. Well, I should say that, at least back when I was on Windows, trying to use LibreOffice's dark theme was extremely crippling; entire rows of buttons would be invisible to the point of trying to go dark making the program invisible (and if you're really used to dark themes like me, that can be quite unpleasant).
Yay, that'll be a fun day at work... I'm in charge of administering our fleet of Macs and all the users use MS Office heavily. We are currently not allowed to provide access to Office 365 for data protection reasons, so if they brick the volume license we are currently using I won't have a viable solution for them, beyond switching to OWA/Apple Mail and some other office suite.
The writing's been on the wall for a while though. They recently made it so that you can't hide the Office 365 nag screen while using a volume license, which confuses users into thinking they don't have a license. I fucking hate Microslop.
You'll still get a few years before the software becomes remotely disabled, though. This story about Office 2019 losing functionality follows Office 2019 losing support in 2023. If that's the rate things go, then maybe Office 2021 will lose functionality either 2 years from now (7 years after release) or 3 years from now (3 years after losing support).
Yeah, but that's always been true of paid software licenses for a particular version: it reaches EOL and you have to decide whether to live with the possibility of unpatched known vulnerabilities or pay for an upgrade to a more recent release.
MS Office has been doing this from back in the Windows 3.0 days at least.
True. But Office for Mac uses the same installer for 365, 2021 and 2024 (and 2019 until they EOL'd
it). It's not that they stop updating old software. They just arbitrarily decide you no longer get the updates if you're on an older license.
If it is, in fact, legal, it's because there's a weasel clause in the clickwrap that says, in effect, "We can change this agreement in any way at any time. Not you, just us."
I switched to OpenOffice.org(now LibreOffice) when Microsoft replaced menus with ribbons.
And I switched from Google to DuckDuckGo after being a Google user from nearly the very beginning, because they tried to claim earlier this week that they couldn't prove I was over 18 years old unless I provided them my legal identification.
Thanks Google, I can't imagine how the fact that I've physically been using your product and logging into the account for more than 20 years would leave any question in your mind that I'm over 18 years old, but you do you.
I bitched and moaned when office 2007 came out. Stupid ribbons. Still hate that shit. Only thing MS office has going for it, that I haven't found elsewhere, is collaboration and Danish grammar check. I haven't found proper grammar check in my native Danish yet, outside of ms office that is. But if my job decided to ditch its pricey office subscriptions, I'd be cheeringly installing libreoffice.
I do hope I get a chance to retrieve all my emails when I get shut out for raising an arthritic middle finger and telling Google to go fuck themselves when asked for ID. I got my gmail account when people still paid for invites. How can I be underage? I wasn't even underage then.
I do hope I get a chance to retrieve all my emails when I get shut out for raising an arthritic middle finger and telling Google to go fuck themselves when asked for ID.
Just going to remind you, because I appreciated when someone reminded me: The best time to run a 'Google CheckoutTakeout' to get a backup is now.
"But it doesn't have that one function that predicts the circumference of an ant's hind segment based on the diameter of breadcrumbs it carries! I use that every day for vital work!"
That and also that I haven't found any good f-droid apk to open the librecalc on my tablet.
All I want to use my tablet for is to change key values in brewing recipes and have them recalculate for the new volume, I prepare my brewing recipes on my computer in librecalc but now I'm stuck with multiple static pdf prints for different common volumes instead of using the real recipe book on the tablet.
I keep at it though, my private computer is Microsoft free and will stay that way. Some friction is lessening from getting used to libreoffice calc but some functions just can't compare, the amazing tables of excel being the one I miss often.
I distinctly remember the conversations about Office's phone home system and people specifically saying "this seems problematic" and Microsoft hand waving those concerns away.
it's not the 'phoning home' that's doing this. they built-in a time bomb by way of an expiring digital certificate. one that won't get updated or replaced because the software versions in question are 'out of support'.
Well it kinda is because that certificate is needed for the phoning home. If it didn't need to communicate at all it wouldn't have needed an SSL certificate so there would have been nothing to expire.
Word 365 on Linux is literally sabotaging you, at random deleting texts you previously wrote. Whole sets of words just randomly disappear as if you never typed them. You type them, they're there, you continue typing and 1-2 paragraphs later, part of the text you wrote is suddenly gone. No undo available or anything, it's as if it never happened.
It got to the point heere i wrote documents in Google drive, then exported then and imported them in word 365, that did work
Then I found out that all I had to do is send M$ servers a user agent header saying it's Windows 11 And suddenly everything works
Ah, that was it then? I'm currently forced to use this crap. I had to run office from a virtual machine because office 365 was terribly unreliable. Like, it started fucking up highlights and shits.
In any case, word sucks even if it does not actively try to suck. I have a big list of complaints. If ms has to resort to this tactics, they are actually suffering us.
How soon before they start doing this to Win10 installations?
Your Windows 10 installation is no longer supported and will no longer boot on this PC. Sign up for Windows 365 to continue using this PC or buy a new Windows 11 PC at these fine retailers. (lists every big-box store in the US)
I found that Pages and Numbers work just fine for me at home, and it comes included with my Mac. And if I’m truly desperate, Google Docs and Sheets are always a viable alternative.
Cool but if you handle complex documents with stuff like macros you're straight out of luck. Even if you can get some compatibility you're never going to be quite sure it will all work and look perfectly.
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Triumph@fedia.io · 120 pts · 81d
That's a lawsuit waiting to happen. People bought a license to use a product, with the reasonable expectation that said license would be both perpetual and unchanging.
BananaTrifleViolin@piefed.world · 40 pts · 80d
Yeah, Microsoft is gambling that the number of users who care enough to act are too small, or won't bother, or won't realise they can.
This is how big corporations get away with this shit. It's not "illegal" in the criminal sense, but it is a breach of contract between Microsoft and those affected; and they likely could win against Microsoft.
The good news is the outrage over this is probably more damaging than any settlement or long drawn out legal case even would be. It's at just the right time as Microsoft deals with major issues and unhappiness with Windows users over poor updates, crappy feature changes to Win 11 and of course force feeding of CoPilot down every users throat, while also decimating their own staff to save money for AI and polluting their own products codebases with shitty AI generated slop. Perfect storm has hit Microsoft, and they don't even realise how bad it is yet.
Eat_Your_Paisley@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 80d
Apple users sue over everything just ask Apple, I mean they just sued and won over Apple Intelegence.
thejml@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 80d
As an Apple user, I laughed at this... the one thing we all want is NOT to have Gemini or AI on our phones. I mean, if we wanted Gemini, we could just use Google & Android.
binux@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 80d
It’s crazy how once these companies get big enough, they become a cancer that just slowly self-destructs. Everything that’s going wrong in their business can be blamed solely on them. Just all around gross incompetence in the most absurd, blatant way possible. I really hope that, in the near future, we see the main opinion of Microsoft finally coming around to understanding this redundant company’s pig-brained, slop-obsessed stupidity.
hydrashok@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 80d
Yeah. I could see them deprecating O365 hooks and services or something, but the entire suite? That’s bullshit.
Footer1998@crazypeople.online · 7 pts · 80d
class action lawsuits pretty much only exist to enrich lawyers
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 80d
While generally true, sometimes it is about the principle of it, and the only way it makes sense to address it is through class action.
If I join in on a class action suit, it's more about making the company pay (and hopefully changing their, and others', policy to avoid future lawsuits), than getting a check for $8.25 in the mail 3 years down the line.
Footer1998@crazypeople.online · 2 pts · 80d
ok but you recognize they wont change their policy right? they will profit more from their shitty anticonsumer policies than they'll ever pay through class actions, may as well go full luigi if it's about making executives pay consequences for their actions
the only way forward is organizing, nothing else will be effective
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 80d
Except that, historically, there are countless examples of class action suit resulting in large and impactful changes to entire industries.
These sites lists a few, but you can search yourself:
https://www.iveyengineering.com/class-action-lawsuits-2/
https://zlk.com/learn/notable-class-action-lawsuit-examples#largest-and-most-notable-class-action-lawsuits-4
https://classactionbuddy.com/blog/famous-class-action-lawsuits-that-changed-history/
(The URL for this one does suggest that there might be some bias, however I'm pretty sure the cases listed are all real)
It's not perfect, and probably not even close to the best way to do this kind of thing... But it can work
Footer1998@crazypeople.online · 2 pts · 80d
god these are some depressing links, first one includes roe v. wade, third one is a list of corporations doing terrible shit and those corporations are pretty much all doing the exact same shit.
this is all pure cope mate
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 80d
Why do you think Roe v Wade is a bad example? It made abortion legal for like 50 years.
Sure bud, just ignore:
Brown v. The Board of Education that resulted in the desegregation of all public schools in the US.
The "Scopes Monkey Trial" is why US public schools are even allowed to teach evolution.
Tobacco Master Settlement Agreement which resulted in outlawing advertising tobacco products on billboards and during sporting events, and brought in over $200 billion to states for medical expenses related to smoking.
Both the Enron and WorldCom suits led directly to the Sarbanes-Oxley Act.
The Agent Orange suit by Vietnam vets that led directly to the Agent Orange Act of 1991.
Etc.
It seems like you think I believe that this is the best and only way for things to change, which is literally the exact opposite of what I said.
Footer1998@crazypeople.online · -3 pts · 80d
because it was rolled back? so it's obviously not an effective form of long term change?
i'm over this argument, believe whatever you want, i dont care
obvs@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 80d
Wait, you're telling me that's an option that people could choose?
I wonder what the world would be like if a whole bunch of people started doing that. Could you imagine?
Footer1998@crazypeople.online · 2 pts · 80d
adventurism is not an effective method for long term change, we need to organize and work together, doing random acts of violence doesn't really move the needle
DaddleDew@lemmy.world · 73 pts · 81d
Piracy is now fully justified
jestho@lemmy.zip · 58 pts · 80d
If buying is not owning, then piracy is not stealing
northernlights@lemmy.today · 6 pts · 80d
It's only logical
satanmat@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 81d
This is the way.
If they can just break something I’ve paid for… then it is fair for me to take it without paying
gnufuu@infosec.pub · 5 pts · 80d
Why steal a moldy bread when there's fresh bread for free? https://www.libreoffice.org/
(Also, the moldy bread is highly addictive and watches you masturbate)
chmod755@feddit.org · 1 pts · 80d
Join https://feddit.org/c/Piracy
mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca · 0 pts · 80d
and not just for microslop products, but all megacorp products.
what one of them does reflects on the rest of them. if they wanted to, they could have lobbied for fair regulation. they didn't, or didn't succeed.
lemmyng@lemmy.world · 68 pts · 81d
LibreOffice is $Free.99, y'all.
qevlarr@lemmy.world · 48 pts · 80d
Libreoffice. I tried it long ago and it was bad, but that is no longer the case. Give it a chance
gnufuu@infosec.pub · 20 pts · 80d
"But the interface looks slightly different and I'm scared of being in charge of things"
partial_accumen@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 80d
Whats really funny is that the interface is closer to MS Office 2003 which was Office pre "ribbon" interface. So the current version of MS office is actually the weird one that changed.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 9 pts · 80d
Yeah I remember when they introduced the ribbon and I hated it. Now I prefer it
elucubra@sopuli.xyz · 5 pts · 80d
You can change the interface, including a ribbon style interface.
muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 80d
To be fair the interface is pretty kluncky. But it’ll do.
Vinstaal0@feddit.nl · 7 pts · 80d
I don't think it was ever bad, the compatibility with Microsoft office is not completely their yet making it not usable to Excel experts of for some teachers due to docx support being a bit lackluster
coriza@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 80d
It is worth pointing out that the only reason docx support is lackluster is because of active efforts from MS to undermine third party support. It is a interesting story actually, but I don't recall exactly, but it goes like this, there was some regulatory push to open formats and MS undermined this by creating and making the docx (and all other *x family) open but make it so convoluted and unnecessarily difficult. If I am not mistaken they even keep unnecessarily updating and changing it so third party is always lagging behind in support and the cherry on top that MS don't correctly implement its own format on purpose so the files are effectively broken for anyone that follows the spec to a T.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 80d
I think Excel has more functionality than any of the FOSS alternatives, unfortunately. It's some pretty powerful software.
Vinstaal0@feddit.nl · 8 pts · 80d
Yeah a lot more, 90% won't miss any of though.
mech@feddit.org · 2 pts · 79d
But I've also run into cases where LibreOffice could do things Excel couldn't at the time.
Like enter strings that are longer than 255 characters into a cell.
Kissaki@feddit.org · 1 pts · 80d
I remember reading about how LibreOffice was better at recovering broken Excel files than Excel itself. It was a long time ago, but I wouldn't be surprised if that still were the case at all.
Vinstaal0@feddit.nl · 1 pts · 79d
That might be the case, but in most cases you will be unable your work due to limitations in Libreoffice.
Look I like it and I use it, but I have major issues with the sheets missing functions and the Word just being incompatible. Like not being able to put the figure number below images or not being able to keep track of changes made when enabled.
NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip · 7 pts · 80d
It was never bad.
Flagstaff@programming.dev · 2 pts · 80d
The dark theme controls are still pretty bad, bruh.
NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 80d
Yeah, but given how many time I have used libreoffice and before that open office to do what word and excel couldn't, I am not very concerned with themes.
Flagstaff@programming.dev · 3 pts · 80d
Gotcha. Well, I should say that, at least back when I was on Windows, trying to use LibreOffice's dark theme was extremely crippling; entire rows of buttons would be invisible to the point of trying to go dark making the program invisible (and if you're really used to dark themes like me, that can be quite unpleasant).
qevlarr@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 80d
horse@feddit.org · 37 pts · 80d
Yay, that'll be a fun day at work... I'm in charge of administering our fleet of Macs and all the users use MS Office heavily. We are currently not allowed to provide access to Office 365 for data protection reasons, so if they brick the volume license we are currently using I won't have a viable solution for them, beyond switching to OWA/Apple Mail and some other office suite.
The writing's been on the wall for a while though. They recently made it so that you can't hide the Office 365 nag screen while using a volume license, which confuses users into thinking they don't have a license. I fucking hate Microslop.
Edit: As far as I can tell this will only affect users using a 2019 volume license (which is already not compatible with current versions), but the 2021 license will continue to work? (Source: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/update-microsoft-365-or-office-on-your-macos-or-ios-device-f418ae5d-bb5f-4078-b3d9-9340f5dd084e ). I'd definitely be interested if anyone has more information. In any case, I'm sure it's just a matter of time until they fuck everyone not using a subscription based license for any of their products.
Edit 2: Nevermind. 13th October is the day Microslop has chosen to fuck me: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/system-requirements/end-of-support-for-office-2021
GamingChairModel@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 80d
You'll still get a few years before the software becomes remotely disabled, though. This story about Office 2019 losing functionality follows Office 2019 losing support in 2023. If that's the rate things go, then maybe Office 2021 will lose functionality either 2 years from now (7 years after release) or 3 years from now (3 years after losing support).
horse@feddit.org · 3 pts · 80d
True, but running EOL software that doesn't receive updates to known vulnerabilities isn't really an option.
GamingChairModel@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 79d
Yeah, but that's always been true of paid software licenses for a particular version: it reaches EOL and you have to decide whether to live with the possibility of unpatched known vulnerabilities or pay for an upgrade to a more recent release.
MS Office has been doing this from back in the Windows 3.0 days at least.
horse@feddit.org · 1 pts · 79d
True. But Office for Mac uses the same installer for 365, 2021 and 2024 (and 2019 until they EOL'd it). It's not that they stop updating old software. They just arbitrarily decide you no longer get the updates if you're on an older license.
devolution@lemmy.world · 30 pts · 81d
How is this even legal?
woelkchen@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 81d
Because legislation related to Stop Killing Games has not yet passed.
Jestzer@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 81d
Because it’s Microsoft and whether anybody likes it or not, they’ll do whatever they want and at best, lose a few pennies.
nyan@lemmy.cafe · 10 pts · 80d
If it is, in fact, legal, it's because there's a weasel clause in the clickwrap that says, in effect, "We can change this agreement in any way at any time. Not you, just us."
Repelle@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 80d
Flagstaff@programming.dev · 2 pts · 80d
Wait, did one of them actually say this?
Chozo@fedia.io · 6 pts · 81d
$$$
MadMadBunny@lemmy.ca · 29 pts · 80d
Pardon my french, but WHAT THE FUCK OSTI DE CALISSE DE SAINT SACRAMENT DE VIARGE DE CRISSE DE SAINT CIBOIRE DE TABARNAK?!? OSTI DE MICROSLOP!!!
Fine. https://github.com/Euro-Office it is.
Horsey@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 80d
Mon putain ami québécois 👍🏽
frightful5680@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 80d
Beautiful language
quips@slrpnk.net · 5 pts · 80d
Forked from unreliable russian onlyoffice
gnufuu@infosec.pub · 5 pts · 80d
That's a fine reason for a fork
quips@slrpnk.net · 1 pts · 80d
Sure, but we shouldn’t rely on russian derivatives
tehBishop@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 80d
I think it would be appropriate to say "OSTI DE MICROSLOP A MARDE" even.
obvs@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 80d
I switched to OpenOffice.org(now LibreOffice) when Microsoft replaced menus with ribbons.
And I switched from Google to DuckDuckGo after being a Google user from nearly the very beginning, because they tried to claim earlier this week that they couldn't prove I was over 18 years old unless I provided them my legal identification.
Thanks Google, I can't imagine how the fact that I've physically been using your product and logging into the account for more than 20 years would leave any question in your mind that I'm over 18 years old, but you do you.
No regrets with LibreOffice. None.
BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 80d
I bitched and moaned when office 2007 came out. Stupid ribbons. Still hate that shit. Only thing MS office has going for it, that I haven't found elsewhere, is collaboration and Danish grammar check. I haven't found proper grammar check in my native Danish yet, outside of ms office that is. But if my job decided to ditch its pricey office subscriptions, I'd be cheeringly installing libreoffice.
I do hope I get a chance to retrieve all my emails when I get shut out for raising an arthritic middle finger and telling Google to go fuck themselves when asked for ID. I got my gmail account when people still paid for invites. How can I be underage? I wasn't even underage then.
pinball_wizard@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 80d
Just going to remind you, because I appreciated when someone reminded me: The best time to run a 'Google
CheckoutTakeout' to get a backup is now.Edit: Thanks.
WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 79d
takeout
WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 79d
takeout
TheBrideWoreCrimson@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 80d
LanguageTool has it, but I cannot vouch for its accuracy.
betanumerus@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 80d
Toes@ani.social · 8 pts · 80d
Any organization that expects you to use your personal IT equipment for work is likely in violation of several privacy laws and incompetent.
betanumerus@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 80d
NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 79d
betanumerus@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 79d
GirthBrooksPLO@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 80d
My digital life has gotten noticeably better since switching to Linux and other FOSS
Siegfried@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 79d
Working is better and sorpressively, gaming is better as well... also, i may have saved my GPU because of switching to linux for gaming.
mintiefresh@piefed.ca · 19 pts · 80d
Honestly just use LibreOffice. It's pretty good.
Don_alForno@feddit.org · 3 pts · 80d
"But it doesn't have that one function that predicts the circumference of an ant's hind segment based on the diameter of breadcrumbs it carries! I use that every day for vital work!"
anamethatisnt@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 79d
I'm trying to befriend the filter options in libreoffice calc but it really can't compare with the create table from selection and built in filters and sorting that excel offers.
https://help.libreoffice.org/latest/en-US/text/scalc/guide/autofilter.html
That and also that I haven't found any good f-droid apk to open the librecalc on my tablet.
All I want to use my tablet for is to change key values in brewing recipes and have them recalculate for the new volume, I prepare my brewing recipes on my computer in librecalc but now I'm stuck with multiple static pdf prints for different common volumes instead of using the real recipe book on the tablet.
I keep at it though, my private computer is Microsoft free and will stay that way. Some friction is lessening from getting used to libreoffice calc but some functions just can't compare, the amazing tables of excel being the one I miss often.
IHeartBadCode@fedia.io · 19 pts · 81d
I distinctly remember the conversations about Office's phone home system and people specifically saying "this seems problematic" and Microsoft hand waving those concerns away.
adarza@lemmy.ca · 24 pts · 81d
it's not the 'phoning home' that's doing this. they built-in a time bomb by way of an expiring digital certificate. one that won't get updated or replaced because the software versions in question are 'out of support'.
Zorque@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 80d
Literal planned obsolescence
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 80d
more like forced obsolescence, planned implies they do it in the future, but MS is forcing it now.
wizardfrag@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 80d
It was planned at the time they released it…
Bloefz@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 80d
Well it kinda is because that certificate is needed for the phoning home. If it didn't need to communicate at all it wouldn't have needed an SSL certificate so there would have been nothing to expire.
phoenixz@lemmy.ca · 18 pts · 80d
Same for Linux and office365
Word 365 on Linux is literally sabotaging you, at random deleting texts you previously wrote. Whole sets of words just randomly disappear as if you never typed them. You type them, they're there, you continue typing and 1-2 paragraphs later, part of the text you wrote is suddenly gone. No undo available or anything, it's as if it never happened.
It got to the point heere i wrote documents in Google drive, then exported then and imported them in word 365, that did work
Then I found out that all I had to do is send M$ servers a user agent header saying it's Windows 11 And suddenly everything works
conartistpanda@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 80d
Can someone else affirm this? Have you recorded it? If this is real it'd be great to have evidence.
Siegfried@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 79d
Ah, that was it then? I'm currently forced to use this crap. I had to run office from a virtual machine because office 365 was terribly unreliable. Like, it started fucking up highlights and shits.
In any case, word sucks even if it does not actively try to suck. I have a big list of complaints. If ms has to resort to this tactics, they are actually suffering us.
Taleya@aussie.zone · 1 pts · 79d
Fuuucking christ.
If i have to office i still use my physical 2007 disks.
DFX4509B@lemmy.wtf · 17 pts · 81d
How soon before they start doing this to Win10 installations?
mrodri89@lemmy.zip · 9 pts · 79d
ddplf@szmer.info · 6 pts · 79d
That is certainly a very lemmy thing to say
Nalivai@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 79d
That was so szmer thing to answer
Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 79d
Nah mate, farming was where we took the wrong turn. We should go back to hunter/gatherer. I'd kinda like to keep my steam deck tho hmm
Hupf@feddit.org · 2 pts · 79d
https://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/News/So-Long-Neofetch-and-Thanks-for-the-Info
Samskara@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 79d
On a Mac Apple‘s Office suite is the better choice.
green_goglin@thelemmy.club · 9 pts · 80d
Microslop doing Microslop things as per usual.
veeesix@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 80d
I found that Pages and Numbers work just fine for me at home, and it comes included with my Mac. And if I’m truly desperate, Google Docs and Sheets are always a viable alternative.
Bloefz@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 80d
Cool but if you handle complex documents with stuff like macros you're straight out of luck. Even if you can get some compatibility you're never going to be quite sure it will all work and look perfectly.
This is how Microsoft keeps their position.
Zannsolo@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 80d
Or if you're not desperate open office/libre office forget the meta because I don't fuck with docs outside of work these days
veeesix@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 80d
True. I don’t spend as much time these days word processing as I used to, but I really should get around to downloading libre office.
mecen@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 80d
They even edited information about support, it was meant to work but they edited it to your files will be safe and openable in word 365 app
Washedupcynic@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 79d
“I am altering the deal. Pray I don’t alter it any further.”
reluctant_squidd@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 80d
These articles go from panic bait to feel good news after you completely switch away from Microslop,
RxBrad@infosec.pub · 2 pts · 80d
Won't help with Macs ...
But if you really insist on using Windows or Office: look into Mass Gravel.
Treczoks@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 80d
Just wait. Mac users usually have more money than they need, so they can easily afford lawyers to beat into MicroSlop.
Ishmael@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 80d
RecursiveParadox@piefed.social · 1 pts · 79d
So ...if you never let any Microscope product update on your Apple product, you should be fine, right?