Yeah that's the thing about authoritarians; they don't have a problem with the boot, they just want it to be on the other foot. No better. Different axis, but the political compass looks more like a triangle than a square to me.
Oh noooo authoritarians who use that power to build affordable housing and transportation infrastructure, break up monopolies and capitalist machinations which gouge people trying to pay for food and healthcare. No please noooooooo. Let's keep fighting this because it's no different from pedophile billionaires destroying the planet. /s
"Ah, finally free from the tyranny of capitalism!" – the tankie says, barely audible over the sounds of a random minority group being mulched in the background
Uhhuh. Capitalism is evil. Wait... Why's it evil again? Right; because of the suffering and harm it causes, and siphons the power from many into the hands of a few. And the authoritarian "left" is better because... Trains. Or something. But, come to thinks of it... You know, I heard Germany had a pretty decent rail system too. So perhaps that isn't the bar by which we should measure success as a society.
It's the shit rolls down principle. The plant manager may have tuned the machine for say panes of glass to be 1mm thinner to stretch out supply and meet demand. This made it more fragile. While in transport the glass breaks, they blame the driver and send him to the gulag instead of the manager. Based on laws and expectations Stalin would have them summarily executed because he would blame the driver as well.
That's funny, I had the opposite experience. When Israel started doing it's genocide, all the liberals on here were defending it, while the tankies were on the right side of history right from the start.
You've never seen liberals screaming about voting for Biden or Kamala prior to the election on here? I couldn't open the website without seeing it. That's defense of the genocide, lol.
Voting for a candidate because they are better than the other guy is not an enforcement of all their policies, and pretending it is is a psyop for the opposition.
In October of 2023, when Israel started its genocide (and yes, in week 1 we already knew it was a genocide), liberals were falling over themselves defending it. On .world especially. You can go back to the Israel-related threads at the time for yourself. This predates the 2024 US election by a fair amount btw.
When did that happen? The closest was people pointing out, correctly, that if you actually cared about Israel's actions it was obvious that Trump would be worse. That's not defending genocide, that's trying to prevent people from making stupid decisions for noble reasons.
You know the genocide predates the US election by about a year right? People were not talking about Trump. You can go back for yourself, on lemmy.world, in October 2023, liberals were defending Israel's genocide en masse.
Yeah I didn't see any of that. I saw people speaking up for Palestine. I can't say with certainly that it never happened, but it definitely wasn't "en masse".
I'm telling you what I saw, and I was extremely active. I saw no significant defense of the Biden/Harris administration on Gaza except when it came to the election, and again only to point out that Trump would be objectively worse.
I'm sorry, the invasion of Ukraine is a terrible thing, and definitely illegal, but it is not a genocide. Not a single human rights organization or anything like the ICJ, UN, ICC is calling it a genocide.
Youre right I don't think it's correct at all to call it a genocide. I think they're just hypersensitive to the minimizing language tankies use a lot, where a lot of historians said "the uyghur genocide" and tankies say "uhm technically there was no mention of genocide from this international rights body so that's an overreaction." The implication being that sure it's not good what's happening to them, but it's not THAT bad.
Tankies do a similar thing with Ukraine where they say "they're just taking back some of the land they rightfully control," or some other minimization.
Russia is currently not in the position to carry out a genocide, unlike Israel, so technically that can be correct. However, not everything is in the actions, something is in the intent as well (trying to commit a crime and failing can still be illegal and punishable), and Russia has made its heinous plans quite clear.
That is absolutely correct. Genocide, however, is not one of those things. A significant portion of the definition of genocide consists of actions. So when you say someone is committing a genocide, you're saying they're doing some specific stuff with some very specific intentions. One of the two is not enough. You need both.
The ICJ is hearing counterclaims that Ukraine is committing genocide. So by your standards, Ukraine is committing genocide too. That doesn't hold up to my standards, so I don't believe Ukraine is committing genocide (or Russia for that matter).
Tankies are the ideological opposite but intellectual equivalent of libertarians, and it says a lot about society that anyone subscribes to either after high school.
USA libertarians, correct? Because I constitute as libertarian in not wanting many if any rulers above the common people. Just that I'm also left and don't have a weird fascination with changing age of consent laws like right wing libertarians do.
That's what I mean, not the commonly viewed now Libertarian party in the USA. Freedoms and the only thing government should do is ensure those freedoms from bad actors until we no longer need such.
Yeah it was totally that and not because Biden, as former VP for a popular President, got credibility across the political spectrum as a safe choice after four years of President TMZ and All Those Rapes.
It doesn't. It just shows you're unreasonable and incapable of understanding context or nuance. In other words, you're either literally 15 or you're mentally 15.
centrists get stuff done, right? Like that genocide they funded under Bidens term. Be proud!
They also did a bang up job holding trump accountable for his insurrection and destroying republicans with the Epsten files. Remember that? so much winning. So much gotten done.
And then you go claim leftists get nothing done. What a frickin joke.
That would mean Joe Biden won without them in the 2020 general election. Is that actually what you believe? Because that would mean yet another political bloc abandoned the Democratic candidate in the 2024 general election.
When a political party is bleeding voters like this it's a problem with the party. If you support the party digging in their heels while this is happening you are part of the problem.
murowski of alaska is the same thing on the opposite side of the country. thier there to pretend "republicans are not all the same", they make deals behind doors with the rest of gop who will vote for an against any bills.
They're doing their job for the party leadership, and they are rewarded very well for this (but never as well as the leadership, of course).
There are always enough on hand to stop any legislation that may be bothersome; always eight or nine can be found.
Politicians are one of the few remaining ways to become wealthy in USA, if you're not born with a fortune it's much easier to become rich via politics than working a normal job.
ITT: People admit to having a common cause with the far right in a time when the far right hold many governments and all mainstream social media. Yeah you sure owned those tankies and lumpen progressives lol
The Democrat party is both conservative and right wing, and it continuously shifts further in those directions as a result of being the only party to give concessions to other side as a method of "meeting in the middle". This also allows the ultra far right party to keep shifting further and further right because in order to have controlled opposition there must be some small differences.
susan collin was never a dem to begin with. she is designed to be the "spoiler, much like murowski. thier the "not all of republicans vote with them, when they vote in the majority"
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ImgurRefugee114@reddthat.com · 123 pts · 74d
Yeah this has definitely happened to me a few times
SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world · 52 pts · 74d
Lemmy has proven to me that tankies have more in common with right wingers than liberals.
ImgurRefugee114@reddthat.com · 60 pts · 74d
Yeah that's the thing about authoritarians; they don't have a problem with the boot, they just want it to be on the other foot. No better. Different axis, but the political compass looks more like a triangle than a square to me.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 72d
Ehh... Slightly better
almost_genocide@lemmy.world · -34 pts · 74d
Oh noooo authoritarians who use that power to build affordable housing and transportation infrastructure, break up monopolies and capitalist machinations which gouge people trying to pay for food and healthcare. No please noooooooo. Let's keep fighting this because it's no different from pedophile billionaires destroying the planet. /s
NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world · 40 pts · 74d
EyIchFragDochNur@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 74d
Uh-oh we've summoned them
Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml · 0 pts · 72d
White guy in a suit, how fitting, lol.
SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world · 22 pts · 74d
Thanks for proving their point too.
almost_genocide@lemmy.world · -28 pts · 73d
It's us or MAGA. Time to make a choice.
JigglySackles@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 73d
Well that's the falsest dichotomy I've seen in awhile.
almost_genocide@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 73d
That would mean you have a plan on how to win general elections without us.
SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world · 7 pts · 73d
almost_genocide@lemmy.world · -5 pts · 73d
Who's both siding now?
Serinus@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 74d
Yeah, they're so much better for the working man. And they're doing so well at exporting their culture.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/byd-hungary-china-labour-watch-9.7154249
Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 72d
Ah yes, Hungary, the leftist capital of China, lmao.
ImgurRefugee114@reddthat.com · 2 pts · 73d
"Ah, finally free from the tyranny of capitalism!" – the tankie says, barely audible over the sounds of a random minority group being mulched in the background
Uhhuh. Capitalism is evil. Wait... Why's it evil again? Right; because of the suffering and harm it causes, and siphons the power from many into the hands of a few. And the authoritarian "left" is better because... Trains. Or something. But, come to thinks of it... You know, I heard Germany had a pretty decent rail system too. So perhaps that isn't the bar by which we should measure success as a society.
almost_genocide@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 73d
I didn't even say get rid of capitalism. I said "break up monopolies and capitalist machinations".
Tetragrade@leminal.space · 2 pts · 72d
The authoritarians don't do that, we do. You think Stalin was out there laying track?
BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 72d
He was calling for the deaths of the delivery driver whose load broke because of poor manufacturing quality.
Tetragrade@leminal.space · -1 pts · 72d
What?
BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 72d
It's the shit rolls down principle. The plant manager may have tuned the machine for say panes of glass to be 1mm thinner to stretch out supply and meet demand. This made it more fragile. While in transport the glass breaks, they blame the driver and send him to the gulag instead of the manager. Based on laws and expectations Stalin would have them summarily executed because he would blame the driver as well.
wpb@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 74d
That's funny, I had the opposite experience. When Israel started doing it's genocide, all the liberals on here were defending it, while the tankies were on the right side of history right from the start.
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 74d
Where? Is there one example? I never saw one.
I saw a bunch of people hoping trump won over it though. Which made less than no sense.
Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 72d
You've never seen liberals screaming about voting for Biden or Kamala prior to the election on here? I couldn't open the website without seeing it. That's defense of the genocide, lol.
Triasha@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 72d
Voting for a candidate because they are better than the other guy is not an enforcement of all their policies, and pretending it is is a psyop for the opposition.
Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 72d
No, it's voters accepting garbage politicians and policies.
Triasha@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 71d
How do you propose voters not accept them?
wpb@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 72d
In October of 2023, when Israel started its genocide (and yes, in week 1 we already knew it was a genocide), liberals were falling over themselves defending it. On .world especially. You can go back to the Israel-related threads at the time for yourself. This predates the 2024 US election by a fair amount btw.
agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 73d
When did that happen? The closest was people pointing out, correctly, that if you actually cared about Israel's actions it was obvious that Trump would be worse. That's not defending genocide, that's trying to prevent people from making stupid decisions for noble reasons.
wpb@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 72d
You know the genocide predates the US election by about a year right? People were not talking about Trump. You can go back for yourself, on lemmy.world, in October 2023, liberals were defending Israel's genocide en masse.
agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 72d
Yeah I didn't see any of that. I saw people speaking up for Palestine. I can't say with certainly that it never happened, but it definitely wasn't "en masse".
wpb@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 72d
Oh wow, we're already in the "one day, everyone will always have been against this" era. Great. Liberal amnesia is a hell of a drug.
agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 71d
I'm telling you what I saw, and I was extremely active. I saw no significant defense of the Biden/Harris administration on Gaza except when it came to the election, and again only to point out that Trump would be objectively worse.
SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world · 0 pts · 74d
When Russia started their genocide in Ukraine those same tankies cheered it though.
wpb@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 74d
I'm sorry, the invasion of Ukraine is a terrible thing, and definitely illegal, but it is not a genocide. Not a single human rights organization or anything like the ICJ, UN, ICC is calling it a genocide.
starelfsc2@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 74d
Youre right I don't think it's correct at all to call it a genocide. I think they're just hypersensitive to the minimizing language tankies use a lot, where a lot of historians said "the uyghur genocide" and tankies say "uhm technically there was no mention of genocide from this international rights body so that's an overreaction." The implication being that sure it's not good what's happening to them, but it's not THAT bad.
Tankies do a similar thing with Ukraine where they say "they're just taking back some of the land they rightfully control," or some other minimization.
SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world · 5 pts · 73d
No when you kidnap children, strip them of their citizenship and forcibly adopt them out that’s genocide.
edible_funk@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 72d
Technically that's ethnic cleansing.
antonim@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 73d
Russia is currently not in the position to carry out a genocide, unlike Israel, so technically that can be correct. However, not everything is in the actions, something is in the intent as well (trying to commit a crime and failing can still be illegal and punishable), and Russia has made its heinous plans quite clear.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What_Russia_Should_Do_with_Ukraine
wpb@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 73d
That is absolutely correct. Genocide, however, is not one of those things. A significant portion of the definition of genocide consists of actions. So when you say someone is committing a genocide, you're saying they're doing some specific stuff with some very specific intentions. One of the two is not enough. You need both.
antonim@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 73d
That's true. Shooting someone but missing is murderous, but not a murder, and trying to commit a genocide is genocidal but not a genocide.
SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world · 0 pts · 74d
Thank you for proving my point.
Ukraine is a genocide. ICJ is trying a case about that very fact.
wpb@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 74d
https://www.ejiltalk.org/another-setback-for-ukraine-the-icj-declares-russias-counter-claims-in-the-ukraine-v-russia-genocide-case-admissible/
The ICJ is hearing counterclaims that Ukraine is committing genocide. So by your standards, Ukraine is committing genocide too. That doesn't hold up to my standards, so I don't believe Ukraine is committing genocide (or Russia for that matter).
SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world · -3 pts · 74d
I only brought up the ICJ because you mentioned it but I don’t need anything besides my eyes to see the truth of the genocide that’s happening.
edible_funk@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 72d
Tankies are the ideological opposite but intellectual equivalent of libertarians, and it says a lot about society that anyone subscribes to either after high school.
BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 72d
USA libertarians, correct? Because I constitute as libertarian in not wanting many if any rulers above the common people. Just that I'm also left and don't have a weird fascination with changing age of consent laws like right wing libertarians do.
Triasha@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 72d
Early twentieth century anarchists often described themselves as libertarians. If that's what you mean, we can work together.
US libertarians believe in a state that enforces private property laws but does nothing for the general welfare, basically gangsterism.
BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 72d
That's what I mean, not the commonly viewed now Libertarian party in the USA. Freedoms and the only thing government should do is ensure those freedoms from bad actors until we no longer need such.
Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml · -1 pts · 72d
That means you're definitely not as smart as you think you are!
almost_genocide@lemmy.world · -8 pts · 74d
Funny, Reddit has proven to me liberals prefer MAGA over leftists.
SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world · 9 pts · 74d
I’d ask you for an example but we both know you wouldn’t be able to provide one.
almost_genocide@lemmy.world · -9 pts · 74d
A vote for Joe Biden in the 2020 primaries wasn't a vote against Trump it was a vote against leftists and a dice roll against Trump.
SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world · 12 pts · 74d
Thanks for proving my point.
almost_genocide@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 73d
Thanks for proving mine.
SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world · 0 pts · 73d
You went back six years to try to prove your point.
BillCheddar@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 74d
Yeah it was totally that and not because Biden, as former VP for a popular President, got credibility across the political spectrum as a safe choice after four years of President TMZ and All Those Rapes.
almost_genocide@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 73d
You're almost there. What made Joe Biden the "safe choice"?
LuminousLuddite@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 73d
BillCheddar@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 73d
What's crazy is you think this makes you clever.
It doesn't. It just shows you're unreasonable and incapable of understanding context or nuance. In other words, you're either literally 15 or you're mentally 15.
SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world · 0 pts · 74d
And also because leftists are a useless political bloc.
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 74d
Oh ho! Now you’ve done it! They’re totally double extra not gonna vote for your candidate now!
They weren’t anyway but now . . . You just pissed off the least powerful non-voters in the electorate! Liberal!
kreskin@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 73d
centrists get stuff done, right? Like that genocide they funded under Bidens term. Be proud!
They also did a bang up job holding trump accountable for his insurrection and destroying republicans with the Epsten files. Remember that? so much winning. So much gotten done.
And then you go claim leftists get nothing done. What a frickin joke.
almost_genocide@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 73d
That would mean Joe Biden won without them in the 2020 general election. Is that actually what you believe? Because that would mean yet another political bloc abandoned the Democratic candidate in the 2024 general election.
When a political party is bleeding voters like this it's a problem with the party. If you support the party digging in their heels while this is happening you are part of the problem.
optimisticturtle@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 73d
edible_funk@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 72d
Americans think wanting gun control and wanting all minorities dead imprisoned or deported are equally bad.
Witchfire@lemmy.world · 73 pts · 74d
A favorite of mine
Someonelol@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 39 pts · 73d
You Leftists sure are a contentious people.
IzzyJ@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 73d
YOU SIR HAVE JUST MADE AN ENEMY FOR LIFE
chiliedogg@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 73d
My favorite thing about the diagram is the layout. The liberals are on the right and the leftists are neither right or left.
xavier_berthiaume@jlai.lu · 7 pts · 73d
Oh that's good
4am@lemmy.zip · 36 pts · 74d
Susan Collins is a Republican
kreskin@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 73d
tomato/Tomato.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 73d
murowski of alaska is the same thing on the opposite side of the country. thier there to pretend "republicans are not all the same", they make deals behind doors with the rest of gop who will vote for an against any bills.
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 74d
Susan Collins Democrat? The fuck?
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 73d
I think he would have been more clear on his intention if he used "and" instead of "/" in separating the two
RickyRigatoni@piefed.zip · 20 pts · 74d
When we're roasting israelis and a nazi chimes in.
GraniteM@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 72d
Paranoidfactoid@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 73d
Susan Collins is a registered Republican.
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 73d
Yeah I was wondering about that. For reference, here's the demon's bio
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Collins
greedytacothief@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 16 pts · 74d
I'm still mad at Kathy hochul over the right to repair bs. What a spineless capitalist.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 6 pts · 73d
shes looking for a big payout after her term, giving datacenter approval, and suspiciously working with trump prior to the election.
Godric@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 74d
Me, roasting a tankie, when a Republican chimes in
bizzle@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 74d
Roasting a tankie when a liberal chimes in 🤮
EyIchFragDochNur@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 74d
Roasting a tankie when a tankie chimes in 💀
antonim@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 73d
Roasting a chime when an archeofuturist feudalises in (✌ﾟ∀ﾟ)👉
Sharkticon@lemmy.zip · 9 pts · 73d
Ah another .world thread wherein the neolibs of .world try to paint anyone to the left of Ronald Reagan as a tankie.
BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 72d
I hate neoliberals as much as reactionaries at this point. And tankies can join the three of them.
Mulligrubs@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 74d
They're doing their job for the party leadership, and they are rewarded very well for this (but never as well as the leadership, of course).
There are always enough on hand to stop any legislation that may be bothersome; always eight or nine can be found.
Politicians are one of the few remaining ways to become wealthy in USA, if you're not born with a fortune it's much easier to become rich via politics than working a normal job.
Sibshops@lemmy.myserv.one · 7 pts · 72d
John Fetterman was a bait and switch. We haven't had a chance to vote for him since his stroke and ideology change.
peteypete420@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 70d
Yea he is democrat no longer, cant wait to vote him out
Cleisthenian@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 74d
ITT: People admit to having a common cause with the far right in a time when the far right hold many governments and all mainstream social media. Yeah you sure owned those tankies and lumpen progressives lol
Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 73d
Pedophiles don't get a seat at the table.
Jankatarch@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 73d
Antizionism vs antisemitism.
Pollo_Jack@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 72d
A conservative democrat is a democrat in name only.
BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 6 pts · 72d
Most democrats, especially the leadership, are conservative. The few who aren't are outliers.
DillDough@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 72d
The Democrat party is both conservative and right wing, and it continuously shifts further in those directions as a result of being the only party to give concessions to other side as a method of "meeting in the middle". This also allows the ultra far right party to keep shifting further and further right because in order to have controlled opposition there must be some small differences.
InFerNo@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 73d
BANG
I'm sorry, did I break your concentration?
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 73d
susan collin was never a dem to begin with. she is designed to be the "spoiler, much like murowski. thier the "not all of republicans vote with them, when they vote in the majority"
SeeMarkFly@lemmy.ml · -1 pts · 74d
Someone must have paid them well to pretend they were a Democratic.
Who has that kind of money?
wpb@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 74d
Whatever it is they're paying Collins too much because she really shit the bed on this.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 72d
she is being funded by 100billionaires, so yes.
Doomsider@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 73d
Making fun of Democrats is par for the course. Realizing that a small dick Republican is waiting to fuck you in bed - priceless.