JD Vance went on the view and got absolutely torn to shreds by middle-aged women
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/vance-the-view-communion-book-b2996857.html
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/vance-the-view-communion-book-b2996857.html
73 Comments
evenglow@lemmy.world · 193 pts · 70d
JD's job is to protect the people. Not to defend Trump.
The people are JD's boss. JD is a public servant. He is not Trump's servant.
dmtalon@infosec.pub · 55 pts · 70d
It's funny, not funny how much these people (the vast majority of politicians on both sides) have forgotten that. And that's because money rules. Until it is no longer lucrative to be in politics nothing will change. Reduce the financial wins of becoming a politician and the people gravitating towards that career will change.
And maybe that's a little harsh, some of them probably started out with good intentions to fix something local to them or their community, but power corrupts all. (power = money here). Reduce the money, and reduce the functional lifetime appointments (term limits) things would get better.
orclev@lemmy.world · 35 pts · 70d
This is maybe going about things backwards. We definitely need to get bribes out of politics, particularly those coming from corporations (aka PACs) because they make it more profitable to hold specific opinions hence it's paramount to overturn citizens united. On the other hand if you reduce overall pay for politicians (I.E. money not tied to particular political stances) then that discourages anybody who actually needs money from holding political office thereby turning it into a game exclusively for the rich to play when they're bored.
What we need is regular people holding political offices so ironically we probably want to make it more profitable to hold the office not less, but we definitely need to make that the only money politicians earn while in office. The tricky part here is how to kill the usual corporate lobbyist loophole where some corporation promises a politician a cushy job doing essentially nothing for high pay in exchange for voting a specific way.
arctanthrope@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 70d
I think you're the one who's got it backwards. you think $174,000/yr isn't enough to motivate the average Joe? you think someone making a million a year is gonna take an 83% pay cut if they can't take bribes and do insider trading on the side? closing the loopholes and leaving ordinary pay as-is seems like a great way to get rich people out and ordinary people in
Peppycito@sh.itjust.works · 16 pts · 70d
I see both of your points. But in defense of politicians getting paid, I've considered running for my town council but it would be a huge pay cut with a massive workload.
Adderbox76@lemmy.ca · 8 pts · 70d
I think every single elected representative needs to be under the direct scrutiny of a panel of seven people from their own constituency, made up of ordinary citizens from all walks of life. This panel has the mandate to scrutinize every expense, investigate every "donation", question every vote that representative has made in the house/senate/etc... and ask "Does this representative continue to work for our district's interest?"
If the answer ever becomes no, they have the authority to oust him immediately and have a recall election.
And yes, I'm fully aware that this was the original Marxist ideal of the concept of the Soviet before Stalinism purged that all away and went full authoritarian.
tomiant@piefed.social · 3 pts · 69d
And have them chosen from a roster of elected council reps, based on a lottery system, so they can never know which ones are going to judge them.
That would take tens of thousands of people though, wouldn't it? Maybe limit it to state senators and house reps.
Are we reinventing the republic? I don't think so, more something like Athenian democracy. That one was flawed but had some solid solutions for the problems we're facing.
I dont like the fact that 250 years ago, one senator represented roughly 40000 constituents or citizens. Today they represent around 600000.
They used to wield way less power, in absolute terms.
Adderbox76@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 69d
In my world, the council reps are like jury duty.
Elections proceed as normal for the Congressman/Senator/Member of Parliament, or whatever it is that is being elected. In that person's riding/constituency.
7 Averge, working class citizens are drawn randomly from his/her constituency for a 1-year term with the mandate being that, once a month, that representative has to present himself in front of that panel to defend their voting record, their expenditures, and their conduct.
Declutter what is unnecessary. Ditch the senate. In Canada it's an appointed useless position used for Cronyism, While in the states it's nonfunctional for it's supposed purpose (being a check and balance for the congress). With the representative now being directly answerable monthly to the people in their own constituency, the Senate is rendered moot.
tomiant@piefed.social · 2 pts · 69d
I think there's shit to work with here. I mean, for real, I think that if we are ever gonna get out of this hole, we need to have actual suggestions for solutions, you know what I mean? It's not good enough to say that shit doesn't work, you need to present shit that would work better, and I'm with you here, but we still need separation of powers.
Somehow.
Adderbox76@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 69d
I agree whole-heartedly about he separations necessary. But (to me) it all starts by getting power back in the hands of the people on the street, rather than the rich assholes and CEOs. Citizen councils at least take that first step.
kreskin@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 70d
I went to a rich kids high school. Their philosophy was that "you are the leaders of men because you come from influential families". They didn't sugar coat how the world works, even at that tender developmental age. Some people have a different fundamental view of how the world works and why, although I like yours.
Serinus@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 70d
Term limits give lobbyists more power and increase the effectiveness of money in politics.
bedwyr@piefed.ca · 2 pts · 70d
Term limits will also make the last term of a lawmaker unanswerable in any way to voters so they can sell out. For executive positions they make sense as executives can rig the game and create patronage networks that keep them in office indefinitely. For legislatures it's a horrible idea that will make things worse.
dmtalon@infosec.pub · 1 pts · 70d
Sell out assuming the fist part isn't fixed (taking the non salary money out making it illegal for it to be lucrative
GirthBrooksPLO@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 70d
Other way around, preventing people from forming decades long relationships with lobbyists reduces their effectiveness.
Serinus@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 70d
Does it? Seems to me that it'd speed up the representative to commercial position pipeline.
GirthBrooksPLO@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 69d
The commercial position pipeline is the aftermath of the problem. When an industry like Big Tobacco can call up someone their long time government whore McConnell, they know he will put out every time. If they have to contend with someone new every few years, you might get a few people who have actual principles, and tell them to pound sand.
If we get enough of principled people, we can end lobbying for good.
Serinus@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 69d
Like Bernie?
GirthBrooksPLO@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 69d
He's doing pretty well cultivating a new generation of Democrats not beholdened to Corporations and AIPAC. Mamdani, platner, AOC, etc are crushing polls.
tigermountain@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 70d
Isn't this the same guy that got caught in a lie and basically said something like 'sometimes I lie to make a point'?
TheLowestStone@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 70d
Yes, a lie about immigrants literally kidnapping and eating family pets.
Edit: typo
Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 69d
And during the debate his response was something like I was told there wouldn't be fact checking
TheLowestStone@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 69d
That moment could have been a hilarious clip from Veep. Too bad it was real.
PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 70d
He serves Peter Theil
m0darn@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 68d
I caught that too. Trump can't fire JD right? He is elected by the people, he can be impeached and removed similarly to the president, he can't be fired by Trump.
tomiant@piefed.social · 2 pts · 69d
There are things that are false
And things that are true
Phantaloons@piefed.zip · 4 pts · 69d
If you linger too long, you'll have to go poo
~ ~ 🍂
tomiant@piefed.social · 2 pts · 69d
Aummmm
WanderWisley@lemmy.world · 82 pts · 70d
It’s crazy to me that I'm a year older than JD. When we were younger we probably watched the same show on tv. Ate the same snacks, listened to the same songs. Yet I grew up to be well adjusted and open minded to the world and different people and their identities. And JD grew up to be a POS racist, pedophile protector, and couch fucker.
grahamja@reddthat.com · 30 pts · 69d
Dude sounds like he had normal human values, then he got some power as a politician and now he is just living a persona to appease certain people. I still can't believe he is a Marine.
Feathercrown@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 69d
You don't really hold values if you abandon them like that
FoxtrotDeltaTango@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 69d
He was a marine, he is a ex-marine
grahamja@reddthat.com · 1 pts · 69d
I am a Marine and even after I retire I will still be a Marine. The Vice President left active duty and they served honorabley, so they are still a Marine. To be called an Ex-Marine is a derogatory comment typically reserved for those that were forced out or basically have been determined can no longer claim the title.
Digestive_Biscuit@feddit.uk · 8 pts · 69d
Honest question, why do people who are not active call themselves a marine? Let's say you're retired, too old to be in service, would you refer to yourself as being a marine or was once a marine?
grahamja@reddthat.com · 2 pts · 67d
It is an earned title, once a Marine, always a Marine. If you made it through boot camp then you're part of the gun club forever. It isn't necessarily that hard to get through boot camp, tens of thousands of high school / college age people do it a year. But earning your Eagle, Globe and Anchor is an emotional experience typically followed by a 4 year roller coaster of training, deploying overseas, and losing friends. If a stranger with no context says you don't rate a title you earned for life it is upsetting to say the least. Cynical people call most of the things Marines do is propaganda.
Digestive_Biscuit@feddit.uk · 1 pts · 67d
Thank you for the reply. I understand more than before, but I don't think I can fully understand because I've not been through it. But, same with anything else, I don't need to understand, just to accept. I'll do my best to use the correct phasing.
Bbbbbbbbbbb@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 69d
Im an identical twin. I lean anarchy, he leans fascist. How does that happen? Probably has something to do with the people surrounding you as you grow up. Not necessarily your family, but your classmates, teachers, friends, etc.
Lasherz12@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 69d
I understand fascists to mostly be opposed to introspection as a core unifying rule. Having the opinion that therapy is bad, or that self help should be entirely uninformed by empathy for yourself and others more specifically.
rethnor@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 69d
He would probably say he grew up to be well adjust and open minded as well.
terranoid@lemmy.cafe · 1 pts · 69d
ieatpwns@lemmy.world · 40 pts · 70d
He’s gonna go home and beat his couch
errer@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 70d
When you get into an argument with your couch, where do you sleep?
Widdershins@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 70d
I want to say dog house but given the size of the entrance a bird house is more likely
kreskin@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 70d
You just lay on top of the couch and hate-fuck it all night. Come back later the next night and tell it you're sorry. The couch just sits there because its actually an inanimate object.
neidu3@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 70d
Or beat it to his couch. Could go either way.
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 69d
That's just late-night quality zing. Well done.
Zombiepirate@lemmy.world · 35 pts · 70d
itrealgood@mander.xyz · 28 pts · 70d
spongebue@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 70d
To shreds, you say?
artyom@piefed.social · 1 pts · 69d
Yeah I already knew that before I clicked haha
Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works · 27 pts · 69d
Why does this guy denegrate trans people while never skipping the eyeliner himself?
cheat700000007@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 69d
Look up "jd Vance in drag"
Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 69d
Lookup projection.
borax451@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 70d
Are we supposed to be baffled adult women can carry intellectual discourse?
LadyButterfly@reddthat.com · 15 pts · 69d
But these are OLD woman. Middle aged women are unattractive and often barren. They therefore have zero value
justaman123@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 69d
Yeah, what's up with that? Fuckn patriarchy
Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 69d
If you're a right-winger...yes. they've always seen women as inferior, irrational damsels.
Jhex@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 69d
That's what JD and handlers were expecting... why do you think he agreed to this sitting?
resipsaloquitur@lemmy.cafe · 22 pts · 70d
Show me the pile of shreds or stop teasing me.
Heikki2@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 70d
Not to kink shame but that couch is gonna be fucked so hard after this humiliation
usernametbd@lemmy.zip · 15 pts · 70d
Who wants to bet they use this as an example to justify their categorizing The View as a news show to force their interpretation of the equal time rules.
https://apnews.com/article/view-fcc-stephen-colbert-abc-cbs-4fd679462e08de2cdc340071f48a83a9
bedwyr@piefed.ca · 5 pts · 70d
They already did, I read about this like a week or two ago in reuters. They are trying not to renew their broadcasting license saying the view is news and not giving equal time to republicans or something.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 69d
Too bad Reagan and Rush Limbaugh worked hard to kill the Fairness Doctrine in 1987, releasing the Conservative Propaganda Machine from any restrictions. Now, 40 years later, he thinks it should only apply to the Left?
That's not how it works, unless you are another incompetently arrogant MAGA, who is frequently wrong, but never in doubt.
MAGAs never figure out that the swords they pull out to attack The Libz, always have two edges, and can be used against them, too.
usernametbd@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 69d
I meant this specific interview being used as an example to “prove their case.”
bedwyr@piefed.ca · 12 pts · 70d
And the broadcast network loses their license renewal in, oh wait, that already happened. They don't lose the broadcast license but it's a big thing, it's locked in for a long time or something but they have to fight a big long legal battle or something I forget.
jasoman@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 69d
If it was a couch he would have done a better showing.
_stranger_@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 69d
Unfortunately, that title is hyperbole.
RattlerSix@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 69d
The "middle aged" part definitely is
_stranger_@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 69d
I was talking more about the "shreds" part.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 69d
There's a young one, a couple of middle-agers, and a couple of oldies.
LadyButterfly@reddthat.com · 9 pts · 69d
Middle aged women for the win!
Gates9@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 69d
Eternal192@anarchist.nexus · 3 pts · 70d
Maybe it's because of the low quality but it looks like he's about to cry.