That's the level of stupidity we are dealing with. And he's surrounded himself with bootlicks that won't do anything to correct him even on simple matters like this.

TerdFerguson@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 63d (3 replies)

Two weeks ago, I was saying this guy was desperate for an off-ramp for this war. I really thought that there were other options that made sense from the perspective of saving face and making a show of it.

I did not expect it to be "surrender completely, pay hush money, declare undisputed victory".

BUT I SHOULD HAVE.

After all this time it still seems preposterous that someone so stupid and utterly incompetent could be holding the levers of power after all of this. It is so beyond belief it is amazing.

hume_lemmy@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 61d

As others have said elsewhere: he does this with the complete supine support of Congress.

o0evillusion0o@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 61d

Yet nobody is doing anything about it 😂

Can't blame the guy for taking advantage of America's collective laziness.

BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 61d

These people aren't smart. They don't think strategically. They literally can't think beyond the first move. They can only comprehend "Give them a lot of money, and they'll surrender."

The guy that can think 2 steps ahead could overthrow this administration with a knock knock joke.

AngryRobot@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 63d (2 replies)

We essentially gave Iran the ability to control the straight of hormuz. Nice job, cheeeto!

givesomefucks@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 63d (1 reply)

It's not just that precedent...

It's giving them 1/3 of a trillion dollars to fortify the stait.

Like, we showed them they can't trust America long term, then essentially gave them a blank check to scale up defenses.

Like, their drones are <30k each...

They can build over 10 million of them and have billions of dollars left over.

This will most likely be looked at similarly to how WW1 was mainly just setting the stage for WW2, we all accomplished nothing and just gave a bunch of countries reasons to sink all their money into their militaries

corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 63d

It's giving them 1/3 of a trillion dollars to fortify the stait.

That's restitution for bombing the shit out of their country, their kids, their water supply.

You do see this, right? It's not a pay-off; it's a pay back.

cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca · 15 pts · 63d (3 replies)

Let me fix the headline:

"Trump does not understand"

someguy3@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 63d (2 replies)

"Trump does not".

jestho@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 63d (1 reply)

"Trump dies"

rethnor@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 63d

I'd be so skeptical at that title, too much hope can kill

pelespirit@sh.itjust.works · 13 pts · 63d (5 replies)

He was taking care of russia, not trying to win anything.

rockSlayer@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 63d (4 replies)

This was very clearly a war on Israel's behalf, not Russia

Impound4017@sh.itjust.works · 16 pts · 63d (2 replies)

100%, but the two aren’t mutually exclusive. The corresponding shock to oil prices certainly served Moscow’s purposes.

justaman123@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 63d

Yeah after bubby asked him to fight Iran he said hold on bubby lemme ask pap pap, and Putin said that would be ok

rockSlayer@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 63d

I haven't seen any evidence that it was a goal for this war. Current evidence shows that it was incidental and not intentional.

pelespirit@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 63d

Nah, it's both The Iran conflict is a boon for Russia’s ‘war machine.’ And it’s not just about oil

NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip · 12 pts · 63d (5 replies)

Let's be honest here:

NOBODY understands that war. There were no objectives and no chance of success. It was just rushing in to do a murder and then letting israel bomb more civillians because they are running out of them in Gaza.

And, like all the "great" regional wars: There actually was a REALLY good reason to go to war with iran. They were murdering protesters by the thousands in the lead up to this. Just like how Saddam and the Taliban were complete and utter monsters too. But selling on "we are going to help the brown people" would never sell either aisle on a war.

EvergreenGuru@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 63d (4 replies)

There was absolutely no reason to go to war with Iran. Killing protesters happens everywhere and is never an excuse to bomb a country or invade them. War is a form of terrorism and should always have a meaningful (and achievable) political objective that benefits the state engaging in it.

There are no humanitarian wars. Intervening in domestic politics implies that Iranians are children who cannot govern themselves. They vote. They have a democracy. Their society will move according to the conditions they live in.

We have had an oversized impact on Iranian life through our tariffs. We do more to undermine Iranian life with our economic policies than the leaders of Iran do with their governance. When we hear protesters used as an excuse for war, we become part of a conspiracy to further undermine Iranian democracy through escalation, when we should have been calling to better Iranian life by putting an end to tariffs.

NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 63d (2 replies)

There was absolutely no reason to go to war with Iran. Killing protesters happens everywhere and is never an excuse to bomb a country or invade them

So you would be opposed to any kind of intervention to prevent israel's genocide of Palestine? And... while people often forget the order of operations, nobody should have gotten involved to stop nazi germany and imperial japan when they were getting their genocide on back in the 30s/40s? Not gonna bother to ask about the Uyghurs because... we can both guess how much you care about them.

You and I are fundamentally different human beings.

mech@feddit.org · 5 pts · 63d

No one stepped in to stop nazi Germany and Japan from committing genocide.
Almost all countries even closed their borders to Jewish refugees.
The Soviet Union defended itself when it was attacked (after first invading Poland in cooperation with Germany).
China defended itself when it was attacked.
The US declared war on Japan when Japan attacked the US. Then Germany declared war on the US.

Humanitarian reasons are used to sell wars to the people fighting them, or turn them into a hero's story afterwards.
The people who start them or join them do so for different reasons.

EvergreenGuru@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 63d

Compares dead protesters with genocide and makes other false equivalencies.

I know better than to follow politicians and support their wars. If you want to support Palestinians, then engage in boycotts and demand the US stops giving material support to the Israeli military. If you wanted to help Iranians, then you should’ve opposed tariffs.

If the peace deal holds, then the tariffs will be lifted, meaning that the Iranian government will have won back better conditions for their people with this war. That’s what victory for Iran means: no tariffs and money to rebuild to create better conditions for regular Iranians.

Iran is up and you’re complaining you didn’t get to bomb them more. We really are different.

Mardukas@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 63d

I do not argue your point on invading another country. However, a lot of states are democracies on paper. In the case if Iran, there is no vote that will get them out of this situation.

Formfiller@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 63d (1 reply)

He was an imbecile before the dementia now it’s just end stage stupidity

quick_snail@feddit.nl · 2 pts · 62d

No. He made a lot of money.

Don't fall victim to him. He's winning, and he'll keep doing it until we make him lose.

minorkeys@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 63d (1 reply)

And he doesn't have to because he suffers no consequences, which means he has endless opportunities to lie, cheat and steal.

a_non_monotonic_function@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 63d

He is a really tough boy who laid victory over the Obama's.

DevDave@piefed.social · 8 pts · 63d

Apologies for the vulgarity, I don't know how to be any clearer. Somewhere in there is this voice saying "I can do better than that fing n!"

Even before then Trump had a serious racist powered grudge against President Obama but I think the 2011 White house press dinner ratcheted it up https://www.youtube.com/shorts/nykVn_XAEks

I am hard pressed to remember any other time President Obama was this eloquently vicious. https://youtu.be/-QqVyd6WMg4 (18 minutes long, but totally worth it). Kinda sad that President Obama called it with what has happened to the white house.

Side note I am skipping over using the title of president for Trump because he stated publicly they rigged the election https://youtu.be/TTHonqrM7Vc

bold_atlas@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 62d (1 reply)

Lets not let him take all the credit. Congress utterly failed to put a stop to it. The military's performance was just as bad. Like shockingly bad.

This was a team effort.

VitoRobles@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 61d

Bunch of dead US soldiers, lots of destroyed aircrafts and vehicles, billions in reparations, and completely dismantling trust on the world stage.

itsjustachairmary@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 63d

Put it on the list of things he doesn't understand. I assume we'll run out of paper soon.

rustydrd@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 63d

I mean yeah, the guy was dumb even before the dementia.

switcheroo@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 63d

Dumb fuck doesn't understand most things...

SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 63d (5 replies)

Paywall.

Jhex@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 63d (4 replies)

Here you go

https://archive.ph/2nC5o

valar@lemmy.ca · 12 pts · 63d (3 replies)

Here's one not using archive.is and without tracking params:

https://unwall.app/www.theatlantic.com/newsletters/2026/06/trump-g7-comments-misunderstsand-middle-east/687569/

Jhex@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 63d (1 reply)

tell me more about this unwall.app (I honestly had not heard of it before)

PS: I just went through their page, pretty cool. Thanks for the link and tip

valar@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 63d

Honestly I can't vouch for it fully cuz I just found out about it

CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 63d

What seems to be the case with this - at least so far - is that this site doesn't seem to make it next to impossible to use something like Firefox on a VPN.

I like and use the various archive.* sites, but most of them seem to make using a VPN and the best browser (not Chrome shit) next to impossible.

Ghyste@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 63d

No shit.

quick_snail@feddit.nl · 3 pts · 62d (5 replies)

Ugh, I'm sick of these headlines that suggest he is a fool.

You're the fool if you fell for it.

Trump made a ton of money off of this war for him, his family, and the military industrial complex. He's going to keep doing it until we make him suffer.

Trump doesn't care about the interest of the US or the people in any of the countries involved in this war. He only cares about how much money he can pilfer during his presidency. And, unfortunately, he's doing very well at that.

Writing articles suggesting that he's lost is bad. It's feel good journalism, but it's not the truth. We need to actually make him lose, or he's going to keep stealing our money and lives for future bullshit wars to enrich himself.

phutatorius@lemmy.zip · 7 pts · 61d

You’re the fool if you fell for it.

It's possible to be corrupt yet still a fool.

BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 61d (3 replies)

Man is a corrupt fool and idiot. Yes he made money off this and was part of the intention, but he was stupid in thinking it'd be a case of dropping some bombs and killing brown people that would make him popular again. A fool for not knowing or understanding the economic crisis this would cause. And ultimately, end of the day, he doesn't care about anything else but himself and how people view him.

BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 61d

This is it. He knows his popularity is in bad trouble, and he trying to stop the bleeding. He's phenomenally ignorant and Sociopathic, so he believes that everyone thinks just like he does. So if he starts a war, everybody will rally behind him. And if he WINS it, then he'll be a hero forever.

He doesn't understand that EVERYBODY sees right through him, and not only knows exactly why he's doing it (to create adulation), but knows he will screw it up phenomenally, in a world class way that only Trump can do.

And even if he wins, we'd STILL all hate him. He doesn't understand that nobody is ever coming back to his side, if they were ever there in the first place. We don't hate him for the war - well, we do - but we hate him for ALL the stuff that has gone on before. The war was just one more thing, on top of the already enormous pile. Actually winning the war doesn't militgate any of the other treason, racism, pedophilia, rape, stupidity, violence, etc. that he's already committed.

quick_snail@feddit.nl · 1 pts · 61d (1 reply)

Again, you're the fool.

Trunp literally does not care about anything else other than making money. He's not a fool. He played us and won. And apparently he fooled the media too.

BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 61d

He can be MANY things. But hey, continue to insult people, that'll get you far I'm for certain.

Lasherz12@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 63d

Not really sure we should care what any Atlantic article shows considering they're compromised. https://github.com/nzaki-dev/dialog

lightnsfw@reddthat.com · 3 pts · 61d

I don't think there's a single thing he does understand. He was an idiot to start with and now his brain has gone to mush. The fact that there are no adults in our government disposing of this motherfucker for his incompetence (let alone the fact that he's a criminal and a traitor) being a danger to our country is insane.

barneyrubble@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 61d

Did trump not understand the Declaration of Independence when they read it to him and drew stick figures for him?

Murse@slrpnk.net · 2 pts · 63d

Reconsider any of his actions through the lens of him deliberately wanting what's worst for the US, and suddenly he makes a lot more sense.

He isn't an idiot who doesn't understand the wars he's starting, blundering his way to failure; he's a domestic enemy of the US doing everything in his power to weaken us.

He's playing the village idiot because it fucking works - we give him the village idiot pass again and again because stupidity mitigates intent.

He's a personification of the fucking Darth Jar Jar theory.

Treczoks@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 61d

"Trump does not understand" is absolutely complete, no extra filters needed.

Treczoks@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 63d

How should he in his demented state?

Wait until he comes to visit the America state of U.S. Bekistan 😃

garbagehead@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 61d

Neither do the people evidently, it was upon their money and backs it took place.

SpicyLizards@reddthat.com · 1 pts · 63d

The article had a moment of stupid that trunpt could only dream of:

Trump, in other words, is trying to deal away Israel’s right to defend itself, treating it less as a sovereign country and more as a kind of 51st U.S. state run by an annoying governor who needs to get with the program. But what if Iran’s proxy Hezbollah attacks Israel? According to the president, the Israelis need to calm down, and he minimized Hezbollah as “a little pinprick out there that constantly rears its head.”

BlackLaZoR@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 61d (2 replies)

So what's the official peace deal? This is pay walled, so maybe someone fills me in?

cabb@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 61d (1 reply)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamabad_Memorandum

BlackLaZoR@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 61d

So it's not a peace deal, but glorified cease fire.

Sorces are weak.

Reuters:

Iran deal includes $300 billion fund, more than half of which already committed, source says

Soo... The source of 300 billion deal info is Reuters that claims there's a source.

I'll wait for official text. Right now press just flings shit.

quick_snail@feddit.nl · 1 pts · 62d

He does understand the $$ he got from it though.

So long as he keeps profiting off war at the expense of people on both sides, he will keep doing war.

SaraTonin@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 61d

I feel like the headline could just be 4 words