cross-posted from: https://piefed.world/c/tech/p/1206212/google-will-now-verify-if-you-re-a-human-by-turning-on-your-webcam-and-asking-you-to-wav
Google will now verify if you're a human by turning on your webcam and asking you to wave your hand
https://docs.cloud.google.com/recaptcha/docs/hand-gesture-verification
91 Comments
dhork@lemmy.world · 147 pts · 47d
I actually believe them. It's gonna start out this way. But in a year or two, they'll quietly slip in a provision stating they will hold on to the images for a short time for security purposes, then they will say that they will associate your image with your identity to make it more secure, then Google's AI will know everything about everyone (and sell the info to the highest bidder)
Burninator05@lemmy.world · 79 pts · 47d
I believe them as well from a very literal perspective. The video will be deleted but the metadata that is created from the video will not.
Fmstrat@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 45d
100% this. The fingerprint is what they use for reidentification.
I've spoken to a number of companies in this space while searching for one that uses a ZKP and a user-held VC of the fingerprint vs the server storing it (for use with a Linux Foundation labs project). I ended up rolling my own using FOSS face models.
br3d@lemmy.world · 34 pts · 47d
This will be like the proof of age face scans. Yes, the VIDEO is deleted, but the unique biometric code describing your face sure as hell won't be deleted. Focusing on deleting the video has got to be a deliberate distraction
AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world · 31 pts · 47d
It should be considered a universal law of corporate behavior: any information that has theoretical value will eventually be sold.
Even if current management has no intention of exploiting it, they’ll be replaced by the board, or the division and its data will be spun off and sold for its IP—that’s just corporate nature (i.e., the purpose of a system is what it does).
FauxLiving@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 46d
Don't be evilundefinedValue@programming.dev · 21 pts · 47d
That’s just v1. At some point they’ll realize that bots can deepfake a human waving and they’re going to want to truly verify it’s you by verifying the position of moles on your body… Then they’ll have to save your data… to secure your account!
Soon they’ll realize to get good mole data they’ll need you to show more skin, as some people don’t have much on their face and their clothing could be hiding those juicy datapoints.
That’s when v2 hits. Flash google your titties to secure your account, don’t worry it’s super secure and we never share your titties with law enforcement agencies unless it’s required by law!
You’ll be walking through your local library because tech has gone to far and you need to unplug but as you walk by the rows of shared computers it’ll all be old people flashing their titties at the screen to continue watching ads on YouTube.
DaddleDew@lemmy.world · 96 pts · 47d
Calling it: In the future we will learn that they have been using it to gather face recognition data and have been using it to track their users in the real world by partnering with the likes of Flock.
avidamoeba@lemmy.ca · 27 pts · 47d
Reasonable bet if they didn't already have root on devices in people's pockets, with cameras pointing at their faces for hours per day. Along with GPS, cell, WiFi and Bluetooth location services.
XLE@piefed.social · 13 pts · 46d
The video gets deleted, they say. But they don't say what happens to the data derived from that video. Training models and such.
zerozaku@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 46d
I'll delete your video for sure! Lemme just make a copy of it, first!
CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 46d
They already have all that with the trillions and trillions of photos people willingly backed up with Google photos.
gibmiser@lemmy.world · 89 pts · 47d
I will not do this. Whatever services require this i will not use.
BassTurd@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 46d
If I have to do this to log into my email one last time as I'm migrating out, I will write off all emails there as lost. If my phone makes me do it to unlock it, I will go out and by an iPhone on the spot. That makes me want to puke typing that out, because I hate iPhones, but I'll do it.
Sxan@piefed.zip · 5 pts · 46d
Linux phone. It'll be painful, but maybe less painful þan an iPhone.
chocrates@piefed.world · 4 pts · 46d
Shit what am I gonna do about email
BassTurd@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 46d
I signed up for tuta, but have yet to actually migrate. I've been on Gmail for over 20 years, so it's tough to get everything moved over as far as having used that for accounts.
IsoKiero@sopuli.xyz · 6 pts · 46d
Move existing messages from gmail account to new one, set up a forwarding rule from gmail to your new address for everything, change accounts as they show up. Maybe a bit longer route, but far easier to swallow since you don't need to go trough all the things in one go nor worry if you've missed something.
CapuccinoCoretto@lemmy.world · 71 pts · 47d
Google can verify I'm a human by not using Google.
Substance_P@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 47d
I would love to not have YT in every corner of the internet though. I wonder how developers of Youtube forks will deal with this?
Zephorah@discuss.online · 9 pts · 47d
You need another YouTube. Free for anyone to post, the same volume, the same storage. Nebula is elite and paid. You and I can’t post on it. The others I’ve seen contain a handful of conspiracy theorists and Linux people.
CIA_chatbot@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 47d
Conspiracy theorists and Linux people? You sonofabitch I’m in
Zephorah@discuss.online · 3 pts · 47d
Yeah, but there only a handful of each.
missingno@fedia.io · 8 pts · 47d
The amount of storage and bandwidth Youtube needs is something no competitor could ever hope to match.
Kittywifclaws@piefed.world · 1 pts · 47d
SirMaple__@lemmy.ca · 43 pts · 46d
lemmysmash@piefed.social · 39 pts · 46d
billwashere@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 46d
Yes this hand gesture
Big_Boss_77@fedinsfw.app · 32 pts · 46d
The fuck it will
Asafum@lemmy.world · 32 pts · 47d
The only hand gesture I'm giving Google is:
🖕
etherphon@piefed.social · 28 pts · 47d
Eyekaytee@aussie.zone · -27 pts · 47d
that’s ok it’s optional, the op is baiting you guys like you’re moronic enough to fall for it
oh wait you guys are gg
ambitiousslab@feddit.uk · 15 pts · 47d
Whether or not it's optional it's still pretty dystopian. And I think we've seen the path before where something optional but "more secure" becomes mandatory and everything else gets shut off.
Eyekaytee@aussie.zone · -27 pts · 47d
hand gestures on webcam are already used to verify id, this is nothing new
maybe to lemmy who don’t have jobs
Zomg@piefed.world · 14 pts · 47d
Are you okay?
Insulting lemmy for jobs while being on lemmy is moronic.
People having concerns for this stuff is how we have things like the fucking platform your on and many other things. You have too much shit to be grateful for to be saying some absolutely moronic shit like that.
Grimy@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 47d
I only use Lemmy if I'm on the clock. Im probably one of the few who's comments are high enough quality to justify paying for them. Granted, he doesn't know he is paying for it but my boss might join Lemmy one day and get to see the fruits of my labor/his money.
Infernal_pizza@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 25 pts · 46d
Do Google employees actually do anything other than sit around thinking of ways to make things worse? In the last few years we've had web environment integrity (thankfully that one seems to have been dropped), gutting the AOSP to the point where it's practically unusable on its own, Android developer verification, play integrity, QR code captchas and now this
AppleMist@feddit.uk · 23 pts · 47d
It says in the docs:
"## Accessibility
For users with accessibility needs who cannot use hand gestures to complete the challenge, reCAPTCHA continues to provide visual and audio challenges, and develop more accessible and secure alternatives."
So it seems you can just do a different task if you don't want to do the hand thing anyway.
Edit: obligatory F google still of course.
RobotToaster@mander.xyz · 19 pts · 47d
For now.
Also the last time I tried using the audio option on recaptcha it felt like a psychotic break.
replicat@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 46d
Guess I'm not a human anymore
green_goglin@thelemmy.club · 4 pts · 46d
The Electric sheep dreams go hard though /s
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 46d
Further reason to avoid google's shit like the fuckin plague.
My fat fucking ass do any of this. Google is just as data hungry as everyone else, they will absolutely save it, and feed it to their AI to enhance their ability to generate realistic people.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 14 pts · 46d
Exactly. In a few years, there will be some breach, and it will come out that Google "accidentally" saved everything, and they are shocked and appalled that the gosh darn AI that did it.
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 46d
Exactly. Its what these companies do every time.
and there will be no punishment for it, because people are too lazy and stupid to stop using google, and government is to feckless and useless to properly hold megacorps accountable.
Bet they'll be "punished" by a 5 million dollar fine (which is like, couch money to google, and would probably be 0.005% of the money they made from doing it)
BassTurd@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 46d
I don't have a child, but if I a did have one, and they walked naked in front of the webcam, could I go after Google for CP?
Jarix@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 46d
Iirc child nudity isn't enough for something to be considered porn. It has to be gratuitous. Not sure if that is the same for transmitting online or not.
It's fakin weird by today's standards though and is probably handled very differently from one place to another
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 46d
Child nudity, even if its medically necessary, is 100% enough for google to delete everything you have with them and to call the police on you, labeling you a pedophile.
Because its already happened
Jarix@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 46d
Perhaps I didn't remember correctly. I'm curious how movies have gotten away with it
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 46d
Movies arent typically made by google.
Jarix@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 46d
I don't follow where you are going with this. The premise is Google recording images and having a naked child in them, which is no different than named children appearing in movies without it being CP... Somehow.
And what your response to my comment doesn't seem to address or explain is why those movies got to be allowed when they have naked children in them. At least it's not obvious
So what is it that makes recording naked kids permissible and what doesn't.
Google doesn't make movies doesn't answer or explain anything that I can figure out
WhiteOakBayou@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 46d
This story is what led me to start dropping Google services and got me into self hosting for more than just media.
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 46d
Good.
Fuck google. I just wish the other 5 billion people obsessed with it would do the same. Company is one of many that deserve to die.
DudeImMacGyver@kbin.earth · 21 pts · 46d
The fuck it will
WYLD_STALLYNS@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 19 pts · 46d
Bruncvik@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 46d
Are webcams that ubiquitous nowadays? My monitors never had one, and I could never be arsed to buy an external one, but perhaps I'm the weird outlier here.
Unboxious@ani.social · 23 pts · 46d
You're an outlier simply by being a desktop computer user instead of a laptop, phone, or tablet user.
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 46d
the world would be a lot better if people went back to sitting at desks to use the computer/internet.
LifeLikeLady@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 46d
Think I'll finish migrating away from google this weekend.
Snapz@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 47d
"Rest assured, the video is TOTALLY deleted, bro... but we will take about 120 still screenshots per second as a backup."
"Oh weird, if you look at these screenshots real fast it's almost like they move, haha, fun!!"
ReverendIrreverence@piefed.social · 16 pts · 46d
Jokes on them. I run Linux on a 2017 MacBook Air and the camera doesn't work
frustrated_phagocytosis@fedia.io · 16 pts · 47d
People without hands suddenly non human
Burninator05@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 47d
Do you guys not have stumps?
MyTurtleSwimsUpsideDown@fedia.io · 3 pts · 47d
Not everyone
Tronn4@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 46d
I'll wave my ding dong
deliriousdreams@fedia.io · 6 pts · 46d
Your Tralala?
green_goglin@thelemmy.club · 4 pts · 46d
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 12 pts · 46d
The fuck it will.
Kintarian@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 46d
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 46d
The fuck they will
MoonRaven@feddit.nl · 10 pts · 46d
What Webcam?
Aneb@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 46d
Hahahahahaha nope.
osanna@lemmy.vg · 9 pts · 46d
yeah, so that's absolutely not happening. if it requires me to turn my cam on, I will just close the tab.
Intheflsun@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 46d
Do they have any idea the sheer volume of penis helicopters they are going to record by doing this?
tidderuuf@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 46d
Headlines in a year from now "Google's Contractor for Recaptcha Video Analysis suffering PTSD after seeing so many dicks and assholes"
MisterCurtis@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 47d
anon_8675309@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 46d
Don’t have one.
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 47d
If they implement this for Gmail, it will be the reason I finally leave Gmail. That will be a PIA, though.
phoenixz@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 46d
Whenever I need to send a selfie picture for whatever fucked up reason, I always give them a photo of my middle finger
Fuck these websites, fuck you Google
Greyghoster@aussie.zone · 6 pts · 46d
A bit hard given the lack of webcam.
cley_faye@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 46d
No, they won't. They might try, mind you, but that's not happening. I'll sooner adapt to a piece of tape at the top of my screen than to this.
ITGuyLevi@programming.dev · 2 pts · 45d
If you use an adhesive bandage, you can position it so it doesn't get glue on the lens (if you ever actually use it).
cley_faye@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 44d
Eh, that's actually crafty :D
AbsolutelyNotAVelociraptor@piefed.social · 5 pts · 47d
No they won't. If they try, I will leave the website.
Hueristic_Autistic@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 46d
So we click the things that say can not do challenge and we’ll pick the alternatives, no?
"Accessibility
For users with accessibility needs who cannot use hand gestures to complete the challenge, reCAPTCHA continues to provide visual and audio challenges, and develop more accessible and secure alternatives."
Zomg@piefed.world · 5 pts · 47d
I feel like something like yubikey that requires physical touch to the device would also fulfill this?
I don't trust that these photos and videos won't be used against us in some way later like advertising or tracking.
IphtashuFitz@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 46d
🖕
gdbjr@piefed.social · 3 pts · 46d
I need that goatse image to show them when they ask. Maybe I can get Gemini it animate some of the fingers moving.
SharkAttak@kbin.melroy.org · 2 pts · 46d
Better yet, make it so you can see a hand giving the middle finger inside the cavernous space.
kokesh@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 46d
I'll flip bird
Janx@piefed.social · 2 pts · 46d
Why wait? We can block their headquarters and wave a hand (and finger) now...
charokol@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 47d
I feel like I see dire warnings like this every day, and then it never happens
Grumpus_Maximus@thelemmy.club · 2 pts · 47d
I believe it now. Because Google is an ad company and ai threatens their revenue model.
1984@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 46d
Lol.
betanumerus@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 46d