If it's still under warranty, why wouldn't you try to RMA it first?
You can try... but several manufacturers are opting to refund you what you paid for the product, instead of replacing it, per their warranty terms. Terms that never were an issue before. And obviously what you paid years ago won't get you anywhere near a similar product now.
to add... (mainly for the benefit of others who may come across this)
most ram, purchased new at retail from a legit or 'authorized' merchant or store should be covered by a manufacturers warranty. those sellers on amazon marketplace with random 'kdfguuugggu' names probably not selling warranty-eligible products. you would more than likely need a proof of purchase receipt to show when and from where you purchased the ram.
if it was in a prebuilt or major oem (dell, hp, lenovo, etc) system you're usually at the mercy of the builder and its system warranty. if purchased direct, the seller should have record of the system purchase. if purchased at retail, same deal as above--need the receipt.
if the ram was acquired as used product, you're probably out'a luck.
Return Merchandise Authorisation. It means to return a product to the seller or to the manufacturer because it is defective, and ask for a replacement.
Oh, the relays are just a side project that I'm toying with. My daily driver is a hamster-wheel-powered marble-run abacus running floating point arithmetic
Just to be clear: are you trying to add the new set of two to the existing set? I.e., 4x8GB?
That can sometimes cause problems due to timing variations between batches. Make sure to memtest each stick individually, to make sure that isn't the issue.
Edit: just realized that you implied that this setup has been working since 2024, so you can probably ignore my advice here
Remove the sticks, blow out your sockets with some compressed air and re-test. I had something similar recently and a full memtest pass ran clean after that.
you'd be surprised. it's not even a about dust. chip creep is still a thing in modern ddr and pcie slots, and can absolutely show up as a bad part. I've saved a few gpus and ram sticks from being declared dead after a bad test by just cleaning contacts and reinstalling.
Seems like its always the same core that is creating the error. Could be a bad overclock. Try reseting the bios to default. Also try reseating the RAM (and clean out the slots with compressed air) and rerunning the test. I've had similar issues in the past that were fixed by this.
Once stable overclocks can fail after many years as it slowly wears out some transistors.
i had to pronounce some ddr5 dead this morning. at least it was 'only' one 8gb stick, but it's in an omen prebuilt, out of warranty.
user's just a high school kid. gonna have to limp along with the remaining 8gb (not much for gaming then) or random crashes with 16gb until he or the parents can afford to replace it.
Linux? I've heard if you can identify the bad blocks (assuming it's just one group of bad blocks) you can tell the kernel to not use those. If you're technically inclined.
The software for the AGC was written by programmers at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) Instrumentation Lab, and was woven into core rope memory by female workers in factories.[2] Some programmers nicknamed the finished product LOL memory, for Little Old Lady memory.[3]
If it’s not a large amount of bad RAM, there are tools to patch around it via EFI or kernel for many operating systems. It might get you by until you get new
Yeah. One of my sticks also failed, doesn't boot with it in. Only 16GB is just not enough. And because I bought from a random ebay shop, I don't have the original receipt.
I wonder what would actually happen if you ran three sticks (assuming only one is bad). Would it dual channel 16 GB and single channel the other 8 GB? Does anyone know?
Dang, i'm a bit worried for my own RAM as well. I keep getting random reboots on my pc every now and then. I initially suspected my distro to be the problem since it started happening after i hopped, but after feeling like i checked everything on the software side, i'm checking hardware now just to be safe anyway. Started with removing the OC from my RAM. I also have my 5800X3D undervolted though since i saw it recommended at the time. Now that it's a few years old i might just not be stable anymore at that voltage.
Dude you are running DDR 4 Ram at 2134MHz and with 15 timings. The Timings are good but the frequenzy is shit.
You want atleast 3000 MHz with modern Ryzen CPUs for their Virtual Memory Fabric.
You can probably get equally good Ram for a few bucks because these sticks suck.
Unless you already lowerd the Frequenzy in that case RIP.
I'm not sure what you're talking about. DDR4 without XMP typically runs at 2133 or 2400mhz. It's probably best to run a mem test at the stock frequency.
What motherboard is it?
I had problems with a 4-stick ddr4 configuration recently and found out the mobo didn't have the same specs on all 4 slots 😅
My laptop has some serious RAM reading errors. Sometimes the bad block gets mapped to VRAM and there is garbled 64x64 RGBA overlay on screen, otherwise programs or the kernel just crash. It is probably not actually the RAM, which I since upgraded, but a soldered-in chipset... It is rare enough (about 1x/day) to be usable though.
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Zen_Shinobi@lemmy.world · 71 pts · 66d
Fffuuuuuu
Check the used market first
deepfriedchril@lemmy.world · 55 pts · 66d
If it's still under warranty, why wouldn't you try to RMA it first?
halcyoncmdr@piefed.social · 31 pts · 66d
You can try... but several manufacturers are opting to refund you what you paid for the product, instead of replacing it, per their warranty terms. Terms that never were an issue before. And obviously what you paid years ago won't get you anywhere near a similar product now.
NateNate60@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 66d
But OP would still get something.
Prove_your_argument@piefed.social · 7 pts · 66d
worth asking anyway... but if they demand the pair back and only offer a refund, you're losing money over keeping a single stick probably.
Zen_Shinobi@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 66d
Sure? I don't know what RMA stands for lol
zdanger@lemmy.world · 37 pts · 66d
Return Merchandise Authorization. Return it to the manufacturer for a replacement
adarza@piefed.ca · 12 pts · 66d
to add... (mainly for the benefit of others who may come across this)
most ram, purchased new at retail from a legit or 'authorized' merchant or store should be covered by a manufacturers warranty. those sellers on amazon marketplace with random 'kdfguuugggu' names probably not selling warranty-eligible products. you would more than likely need a proof of purchase receipt to show when and from where you purchased the ram.
if it was in a prebuilt or major oem (dell, hp, lenovo, etc) system you're usually at the mercy of the builder and its system warranty. if purchased direct, the seller should have record of the system purchase. if purchased at retail, same deal as above--need the receipt.
if the ram was acquired as used product, you're probably out'a luck.
Natanael@slrpnk.net · 8 pts · 66d
Warranty claim
bdonvr@thelemmy.club · 5 pts · 66d
Warranty exchange basically
NateNate60@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 66d
Return Merchandise Authorisation. It means to return a product to the seller or to the manufacturer because it is defective, and ask for a replacement.
dosse91@lemmy.trippy.pizza · 61 pts · 66d
They're very few addresses, you can tell the OS not to use them. Take a look at this: https://www.memtest86.com/blacklist-ram-badram-badmemorylist.html
87Six@lemmy.zip · 13 pts · 65d
Dawg you're the GOAT with that link
T4V0@lemmy.pt · 4 pts · 65d
It didn't even occur to me it could be done, makes sense.
Life_inst_bad@lemmy.world · 31 pts · 65d
SitD@lemy.lol · 2 pts · 65d
😂😂😂
alphacyberranger@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 65d
Lol I got the same as well
quick_snail@feddit.nl · -7 pts · 65d
Yes. That's the post.
Why take a photo of a post and post a screenshot of it again?
jj4211@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 65d
To show the juxtaposition of two stories in his feed
quick_snail@feddit.nl · -2 pts · 65d
It was ableist enough the first time.
digilec@lemmy.world · 29 pts · 65d
You can edit the grub config (assuming you're using Linux) and add reserved ranges for the affected physical address.
find the linux boot command and add a memmap=$ argument This tells the kernel to avoid the bad parts.
In your case it looks like a relatively small chunk of bad memory so.. memmap=64K$0x130FE0000
I've used this trick to stabilise systems with faulty RAM and it works.
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 25 pts · 66d
Just buy a bunch of NAND gates and make your own registers
BodilessGaze@sh.itjust.works · 12 pts · 66d
Sure, you can do that....if you're a casual. Real PC users build their own NAND gates out of MOSFETs.
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 16 pts · 66d
Sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of my relays
neidu3@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 65d
Relays are for kids and cowards who are too soft to use mercury delay-line memory
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 4 pts · 65d
Oh, the relays are just a side project that I'm toying with. My daily driver is a hamster-wheel-powered marble-run abacus running floating point arithmetic
Orygin@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 65d
Excuse me, but real programmers use butterflies
roserose56@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 65d
I'm making my own GPU at the moment, it can run for sure a potato. lol /j for anyone who didnt understand
locahosr443@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 65d
Report back with crysis benchmark
bdonvr@thelemmy.club · 4 pts · 65d
I prefer to do the old fashioned way like granny taught me, by weaving my own damn memory.
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 65d
Memory-safe by default!
Zonefive@sh.itjust.works · 22 pts · 66d
Don’t know what brand you’ve got but I had two 16GB sticks of G.Skill DDR4 go bad a few months back and their RMA process worked a treat.
Wishing you success as well.
bdonvr@thelemmy.club · 15 pts · 66d
GSkill yep. Should be good. I originally built in 2020 with 2x8gb and then in October 2024 I got another 2x8gb because it was only $35USD why not lol
The exact same set is currently $135...
And go figure the new sticks were the ones that failed.
call_me_xale@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 66d
Just to be clear: are you trying to add the new set of two to the existing set? I.e., 4x8GB?
That can sometimes cause problems due to timing variations between batches. Make sure to memtest each stick individually, to make sure that isn't the issue.
Edit: just realized that you implied that this setup has been working since 2024, so you can probably ignore my advice here
adarza@piefed.ca · 4 pts · 66d
maximum memory speed is also often slower with 4 modules vs 2.
call_me_xale@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 65d
True, but a lesser issue IMO, since the latency hit is usually pretty minor. I'll take slow working RAM over non-functional any day lol
loric@piefed.social · 13 pts · 66d
Remove the sticks, blow out your sockets with some compressed air and re-test. I had something similar recently and a full memtest pass ran clean after that.
Shayeta@feddit.org · 8 pts · 66d
Also, disable any OC. I had my ram fail tests because it is not supported by my mobo. After reducing speed to factory stock it would pass flawlessly.
0x0@infosec.pub · 2 pts · 65d
Its not a nintendo
AllHailTheSheep@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 65d
you'd be surprised. it's not even a about dust. chip creep is still a thing in modern ddr and pcie slots, and can absolutely show up as a bad part. I've saved a few gpus and ram sticks from being declared dead after a bad test by just cleaning contacts and reinstalling.
odd@scribe.disroot.org · 8 pts · 66d
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osaerisxero@kbin.melroy.org · 3 pts · 66d
F
TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.zip · 8 pts · 65d
Try blowing on it and inserting again
glitch1985@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 65d
This usually makes me start working.
Beangut@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 65d
This does actually help, if you still have bad sections you can reserve them in GRUB or Badblocks(?) on windows iirc
I mean not actually blowing on the ram but taking it out, cleaning contacts with isopropyl and reseating it has fix memory errors for me in the past.
iamnotme@feddit.uk · 1 pts · 65d
It worked the other day on my servers ecc ram. The greatest tech support trick of all time after ‘have you tried turning it off and on again’
dangrousperson@feddit.org · 7 pts · 65d
Seems like its always the same core that is creating the error. Could be a bad overclock. Try reseting the bios to default. Also try reseating the RAM (and clean out the slots with compressed air) and rerunning the test. I've had similar issues in the past that were fixed by this.
Once stable overclocks can fail after many years as it slowly wears out some transistors.
Treczoks@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 65d
Not good. The pattern is not consistent.
Take the RAM out and carefully clean the contacts with e.g. alcohol and a piece of lint-free cloth.
christov@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 65d
F. Godspeed.
chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 66d
RAM has lifetime warranties, typically. Send in an RMA request, after you isolate which sticks are bad, and get new ones.
adarza@piefed.ca · 5 pts · 66d
i had to pronounce some ddr5 dead this morning. at least it was 'only' one 8gb stick, but it's in an omen prebuilt, out of warranty.
user's just a high school kid. gonna have to limp along with the remaining 8gb (not much for gaming then) or random crashes with 16gb until he or the parents can afford to replace it.
bdonvr@thelemmy.club · 6 pts · 66d
Linux? I've heard if you can identify the bad blocks (assuming it's just one group of bad blocks) you can tell the kernel to not use those. If you're technically inclined.
justlemmyin@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 66d
I ran this too on mine, I had the mode set to memmap. Badram is old, grub these days expects memmap.
There were a few areas but they were close enough, so this is what I ended with.
Blocks of 64K were enough to fix this.
GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash memmap=64K\\\$0x3c8f0000,64K\\\$0x49068000,96K\\\$0xa24660000"adarza@piefed.ca · 3 pts · 66d
he has windows, but i'll mention the option to him next chance i get.
SteveTech@aussie.zone · 4 pts · 65d
There is a option for Windows: https://www.memtest86.com/blacklist-ram-badram-badmemorylist.html#badmemorylist
Although it seems like it may be broken.
bacon_pdp@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 66d
bdonvr@thelemmy.club · 5 pts · 66d
Yeah looked into it but I'm gonna try and RMA them
mufkin@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 66d
F! That sucks. Time to mortgage your house.
whotookkarl@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 65d
Time to go back to weaving memory
https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Core_rope_memory
zergtoshi@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 65d
They want RAM, not ROM ;)
Life_inst_bad@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 65d
LOL Memory indeed
wrfbird@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 66d
If it’s not a large amount of bad RAM, there are tools to patch around it via EFI or kernel for many operating systems. It might get you by until you get new
30p87@feddit.org · 3 pts · 66d
Yeah. One of my sticks also failed, doesn't boot with it in. Only 16GB is just not enough. And because I bought from a random ebay shop, I don't have the original receipt.
bdonvr@thelemmy.club · 2 pts · 66d
Mine booted but would cause system instability.
I can get by with 16gb but hopefully I can RMA. GSkill is pretty good on RMA I've heard
Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de · 1 pts · 65d
I wonder what would actually happen if you ran three sticks (assuming only one is bad). Would it dual channel 16 GB and single channel the other 8 GB? Does anyone know?
bdonvr@thelemmy.club · 1 pts · 65d
I heard it slows performance either way, but since I bought the sticks as a set I have to mail in both for the warranty anyway
DonGirses@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 66d
had a 2x8 kit fail as well, thankfully I clocked it down from 3600 to 3200 and it passed the ~2 hour test.
perhaps relax the timings and/or increase voltage?
bdonvr@thelemmy.club · 2 pts · 66d
Timings are already base unfortunately as you can see 2134mhz
Gonna RMA them
juipeltje@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 65d
Dang, i'm a bit worried for my own RAM as well. I keep getting random reboots on my pc every now and then. I initially suspected my distro to be the problem since it started happening after i hopped, but after feeling like i checked everything on the software side, i'm checking hardware now just to be safe anyway. Started with removing the OC from my RAM. I also have my 5800X3D undervolted though since i saw it recommended at the time. Now that it's a few years old i might just not be stable anymore at that voltage.
Captain_Stupid@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 66d
Dude you are running DDR 4 Ram at 2134MHz and with 15 timings. The Timings are good but the frequenzy is shit. You want atleast 3000 MHz with modern Ryzen CPUs for their Virtual Memory Fabric. You can probably get equally good Ram for a few bucks because these sticks suck.
Unless you already lowerd the Frequenzy in that case RIP.
bdonvr@thelemmy.club · 6 pts · 66d
Yeah I lowered it to make sure that wasn't the problem
JiveTurkey@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 66d
I'm not sure what you're talking about. DDR4 without XMP typically runs at 2133 or 2400mhz. It's probably best to run a mem test at the stock frequency.
dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 65d
I've got two 16GB sticks that I bought in 2020 pullin me through—I'm praying they last long enough til prices go back down haha
Diurnambule@jlai.lu · 2 pts · 65d
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joranm1@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 66d
What motherboard is it? I had problems with a 4-stick ddr4 configuration recently and found out the mobo didn't have the same specs on all 4 slots 😅
bdonvr@thelemmy.club · 1 pts · 65d
MSI B450 Tomahawk
joranm1@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 65d
Doesn't seem to be plagued by the same limitations as mine... The problem must be somewhere else
AlphaOmega@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 66d
Used to be that all RAM had a lifetime warranty.... Not sure about today
avidamoeba@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 66d
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DickFiasco@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 66d
This little maneuver is gonna cost us about three hundred bucks.
bdonvr@thelemmy.club · 1 pts · 66d
Thankfully it's DDR4 so no. I originally bought 2x8gb in Oct 2024 for $35, now they are $135
Gonna try warranty tho
ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org · 1 pts · 66d
My laptop has some serious RAM reading errors. Sometimes the bad block gets mapped to VRAM and there is garbled 64x64 RGBA overlay on screen, otherwise programs or the kernel just crash. It is probably not actually the RAM, which I since upgraded, but a soldered-in chipset... It is rare enough (about 1x/day) to be usable though.
tyrant@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 66d
I recently learned g. Skill had lifetime warranty. Not sure about others but worth a check