The country which is basically just a "gasoline station with an army" needs to import gasoline. That is pretty funny. Also funny that Trumps Iran disaster and the high fuel prices caused by it, is now going to affect Putin negatively.
He is probably not too happy about Trump for once.
It depends entirely on how long people are willing to lend to the Russian government. People will continue to lend as long as they think there is a reasonable chance of making a return. Also "lending" can in some sense mean "working for free".
A government doesn't need money; it only needs to remain the government. To do that, it needs to prevent an uprising that overthrows it. To do that, it needs the people to be happy and/or fearful enough to not rise up. Happiness requires adequate supply of the essentials of life. Fear requires a force of loyalists equipped to suppress the rest of the population, which requires those loyalists to be adequately supplied.
Supplies require people working to produce those supplies - be it farmers harvesting food, actors making TV programs, or people operating machinery to refine oil.
Also "lending" can in some sense mean "working for free".
I don't think it's an expectation of future return that has them doing that, rather an expectation that doing so well lead to intangible yet real protection.
Impossible to say. I remember i read some article in 2021 that russia cannot keep up the fight for more than 6 weeks or their economy would fall apart, yet here we are.
Last week, Reuters cited industry sources as saying that Russia was discussing importing 50,000 metric tons of AI-92 grade gasoline from Kazakhstan.
As far as i know, AI-92 is some low grade, high emission fuel that has been outlawed in europe since 1996 or 2000. And because cleaner fuels have been available for 30 years, modern and computerized petrol engines with a fine tuned catalytic converter that have been sold in the EU won't be able to run on AI-92 without causing some expensive problems. Saw some videos where russians complained that their dashboards light up like a Christmas tree and the engine stalled repeatedly after they managed to get any kind of fuel for their cars.
The other disaster waiting to happen is a food shortage, because you cannot seed, fertilize or harvest without fertilizer or diesel for all the machines, or trucks to distribute it.
The other disaster waiting to happen is a food shortage, because you cannot seed, fertilize or harvest without fertilizer or diesel for all the machines, or trucks to distribute it.
A lot of Russians actually grow some food themself. For the rural population it is pretty simple and the city dwellers often have access to dachas. However going to them might be a problem...
modern and computerized petrol engines with a fine tuned catalytic converter that have been sold in the EU won't be able to run on AI-92 without causing some expensive problems.
No worries, they don't have many of those left anyway.
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Rothe@piefed.social · 69 pts · 47d
The country which is basically just a "gasoline station with an army" needs to import gasoline. That is pretty funny. Also funny that Trumps Iran disaster and the high fuel prices caused by it, is now going to affect Putin negatively.
He is probably not too happy about Trump for once.
Laugh of the day indeed.
Swemg@lemmy.world · 51 pts · 47d
They been importing the army too ^^
rockerface@lemmy.cafe · 5 pts · 47d
Exporting sunflower fertilizer to Ukraine
eleijeep@piefed.social · 11 pts · 47d
If their main export is gas then how long until they run out of money?
FishFace@piefed.social · 11 pts · 47d
It depends entirely on how long people are willing to lend to the Russian government. People will continue to lend as long as they think there is a reasonable chance of making a return. Also "lending" can in some sense mean "working for free".
A government doesn't need money; it only needs to remain the government. To do that, it needs to prevent an uprising that overthrows it. To do that, it needs the people to be happy and/or fearful enough to not rise up. Happiness requires adequate supply of the essentials of life. Fear requires a force of loyalists equipped to suppress the rest of the population, which requires those loyalists to be adequately supplied.
Supplies require people working to produce those supplies - be it farmers harvesting food, actors making TV programs, or people operating machinery to refine oil.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 46d
I don't think it's an expectation of future return that has them doing that, rather an expectation that doing so well lead to intangible yet real protection.
FishFace@piefed.social · 1 pts · 46d
It all comes down to confidence though
GenosseFlosse@feddit.org · 7 pts · 47d
Impossible to say. I remember i read some article in 2021 that russia cannot keep up the fight for more than 6 weeks or their economy would fall apart, yet here we are.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 46d
I mean their economy kind of did
IphtashuFitz@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 47d
Depends on how much Putin will be able to squeeze out of all the oligarchs.
idiomaddict@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 47d
Even better, neither of them is likely happy with Netanyahu (almost literally) torpedoing the peace process
Sibbo@sopuli.xyz · 5 pts · 47d
Unfortunately, on Trump's side, that happened purely accidentially.
Photonic@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 47d
The two Great Dictators of our time are quickly making a mockery out of themselves, and, by extension, their own country.
lokalhorst@feddit.org · 28 pts · 47d
Haahahahaahahahahahahahahahhaahahhahaha
Excuse me, I could not control myself.
RedstoneValley@sh.itjust.works · 26 pts · 47d
Or, hear me out, crazy idea: You could just stop attacking Ukraine and all of this will go away.
huppakee@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 47d
Great suggestion, but way too crazy for Putin
Herr_S_aus_H@lemmy.zip · 23 pts · 47d
And the AfD wants to import Gas and Oil from them. Can I at least get exterminated by fascists with half a functioning brain?
badgermurphy@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 47d
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 46d
Yeah even my orange cat hates fascists don't you boy?
He says feed me. that turns into a yes if I give him the good wet food.
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz · 9 pts · 47d
No, that is like asking for a working bicycle except without wheels, it is no longer a working bicycle.
illi@piefed.social · 5 pts · 47d
My understanding is that Russia unfortunately still has plenty of oil - they are short on refineries to turn it into gasoline.
Melchior@feddit.org · 3 pts · 47d
They need to transport the oil though and that is difficult, when ports and pump stations are burning...
GenosseFlosse@feddit.org · 8 pts · 47d
As far as i know, AI-92 is some low grade, high emission fuel that has been outlawed in europe since 1996 or 2000. And because cleaner fuels have been available for 30 years, modern and computerized petrol engines with a fine tuned catalytic converter that have been sold in the EU won't be able to run on AI-92 without causing some expensive problems. Saw some videos where russians complained that their dashboards light up like a Christmas tree and the engine stalled repeatedly after they managed to get any kind of fuel for their cars.
The other disaster waiting to happen is a food shortage, because you cannot seed, fertilize or harvest without fertilizer or diesel for all the machines, or trucks to distribute it.
Melchior@feddit.org · 4 pts · 47d
A lot of Russians actually grow some food themself. For the rural population it is pretty simple and the city dwellers often have access to dachas. However going to them might be a problem...
Shellofbiomatter@lemmus.org · 1 pts · 46d
No worries, they don't have many of those left anyway.