I will speak ill of the dead, I will speak frankly about the life they lived and if they or their family or their supporters are ashamed of it then that speaks more of their values than me speaking about their misdeeds. I get not focusing on someone's failings but not remembering someone for their intentional actions is a disservice to their legacy and our future history.
If they're ashamed of his legacy then why didn't he or they try to right his wrongs?
i blocked the instance since the account in the previous(now defunct instance) was banned for calling out zionist efforts undermining universities here. also DBZERO for some reason, i almost never interact with that instance by im crossbanned from it, and they gave a BS reason(i never was told what i did wrong)
they call it "trolling whataboutism, multiple communities simulateneous with no record of an incident. they just someone was participating in one comm dbzero dint like and decided to crossban pre-emptively.
Alas spell check wouldn't fix the were or the are. When I see this I give them the benefit of the doubt and assume English is their second language. Still drives me insane though.
I'm a context before accuracy person. If I can understand what they're saying and their point, I'll let minor things go. I will go back and reedit my own mistakes though, over and over, because I can't stand myself doing it. But I'm here for the discussion, not the grammar and spelling grading.
This is a rather natural conclusion once you realize all grammar rules are decided by some committee somewhere. They're not some law of nature. That being said, it also pains me greatly to find mistakes in my own text.
Grammar only truly matters if not following a particular rule can actually cause miscommunication. Doesn't happen often in common conversation though. Just laws and board game rules.
When I see this I give them the benefit of the doubt and assume English is their second language
When learning a second language you usually learn it by reading and writing it, whilst you usually learn writing your native language long after you learned speaking it. These types of mistakes are characteristic for someone that learned a language by speaking it first.
Someone that learned English as a 2nd language would never write "are" instead of "our", that's a mistake that can only happen if you learned writing the language long after you learned speaking it
My first language is English. I just never excelled at it as a I have dyslexia. But 28% of Americans do read at Lv1 or lower. There is no reason to shame someone on literacy.
Who even came up with this 'don't speak ill of the dead' bullshit? If someone was an awful person, then they were an awful person and everybody should criticize them for it if they want to.
What does them being dead change? The family will be sad? Well boo hoo, should have cut ties with the fucker when he was sentencing innocent children to death. Pretty sure their families are even sadder.
I think it works on a small scale when people who knew the asshole are still mourning, but breaks down when we're talking about public figures who affect policy.
Also if they were demonstrably an enemy to human decency imo
Many years ago my parents had a neighbor. He was a nice guy but annoying as all hell at times, so much so that my mom purposely avoided him at the pool. If she saw him she'd go out of her way to walk around to the side of the pool and be sure to not get in the water when he was in there. She spent months not being able to say 1 remotely decent thing about him.
Then he died unexpectedly of a heart attack. And suddenly he was the nicest person she knew, always so friendly and loved chatting with him, etc etc. I straight up called her out on it.
I think it's more of a "don't hold onto hatred" kinda thing. They're dead, so let it go for your own sake, as well as those grieving. It doesn't help anyone
I don't think it applies to public figures though... At least not if their family isn't around. Hell, I think it's just fine to celebrate the world becoming a better place
I don't let hatred build up in myself, but I sure as hell have felt hope when I see some monsters have gone
I have a collection of small bottles of rum each dedicated to celebrating the death of a terrible person, I have also drawn up a list of good restaurants to celebrate further a few days later.
Yeah I think the mods might be disabled, as not technically wrong, just functionally and morally stupid, regarding the death of renowned evil shit-person Sen.
Sorry turns out scotus ruled senators can be animatronics
“You shouldn’t speak ill of the dead” doesn’t say anything about morality, so the second person’s point is irrelevant and wouldn’t be considered a gotcha by the MAGA guy
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kboos1@lemmy.world · 73 pts · 22d
I will speak ill of the dead, I will speak frankly about the life they lived and if they or their family or their supporters are ashamed of it then that speaks more of their values than me speaking about their misdeeds. I get not focusing on someone's failings but not remembering someone for their intentional actions is a disservice to their legacy and our future history.
If they're ashamed of his legacy then why didn't he or they try to right his wrongs?
deft@lemmy.wtf · 58 pts · 22d
I'll speak ill of anyone living or dead. Dumb concept
Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 21d
If they were a piece of shit while alive they don't deserve anything else.
DarkCloud@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 22d
Yeah, it's not like Republicans said horrible things about the people Ice shot, or trans people, or the kids at Sandy Hook.
...it's not like Trump called the war dead losers.
CriticalThought@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 21d
Trump also said some heinous things about a postmortem Rob Reiner.
shiv@sh.itjust.works · 16 pts · 22d
I'm banned from r/politics. I mean politics.world I guess, sorry forgot where I was for a second.
sen@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 21d
Same, for the statement "They say good things happen in threes."
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 21d
i blocked the instance since the account in the previous(now defunct instance) was banned for calling out zionist efforts undermining universities here. also DBZERO for some reason, i almost never interact with that instance by im crossbanned from it, and they gave a BS reason(i never was told what i did wrong)
shiv@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 21d
Check out their mod logs, super sus bans involving anti Zionist left and right. Reads like a reddit mod log tbh. Petulant loser mods.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 21d
they call it "trolling whataboutism, multiple communities simulateneous with no record of an incident. they just someone was participating in one comm dbzero dint like and decided to crossban pre-emptively.
Proprietary_Blend@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 22d
Would it kill you to use spell check?
Cyclist@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 22d
Alas spell check wouldn't fix the were or the are. When I see this I give them the benefit of the doubt and assume English is their second language. Still drives me insane though.
Rhaedas@fedia.io · 11 pts · 22d
I'm a context before accuracy person. If I can understand what they're saying and their point, I'll let minor things go. I will go back and reedit my own mistakes though, over and over, because I can't stand myself doing it. But I'm here for the discussion, not the grammar and spelling grading.
tyo_ukko@sopuli.xyz · 5 pts · 22d
This is a rather natural conclusion once you realize all grammar rules are decided by some committee somewhere. They're not some law of nature. That being said, it also pains me greatly to find mistakes in my own text.
MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 22d
Grammar only truly matters if not following a particular rule can actually cause miscommunication. Doesn't happen often in common conversation though. Just laws and board game rules.
Anivia@feddit.org · 4 pts · 21d
When learning a second language you usually learn it by reading and writing it, whilst you usually learn writing your native language long after you learned speaking it. These types of mistakes are characteristic for someone that learned a language by speaking it first.
Someone that learned English as a 2nd language would never write "are" instead of "our", that's a mistake that can only happen if you learned writing the language long after you learned speaking it
Cyclist@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 21d
Hmmm, interesting point.
OttoVonNoob@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 21d
My first language is English. I just never excelled at it as a I have dyslexia. But 28% of Americans do read at Lv1 or lower. There is no reason to shame someone on literacy.
wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 22d
First week on the internet, eh?
DupaCycki@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 21d
Who even came up with this 'don't speak ill of the dead' bullshit? If someone was an awful person, then they were an awful person and everybody should criticize them for it if they want to.
What does them being dead change? The family will be sad? Well boo hoo, should have cut ties with the fucker when he was sentencing innocent children to death. Pretty sure their families are even sadder.
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 21d
It’s because when you’re dead you can’t defend yourself.
But mostly it’s to protect the feelings of the living.
grrgyle@slrpnk.net · 5 pts · 21d
I think it works on a small scale when people who knew the asshole are still mourning, but breaks down when we're talking about public figures who affect policy.
Also if they were demonstrably an enemy to human decency imo
njm1314@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 21d
I've always heard it as don't speak ill of the dead at the funeral. Or wake or what have you I guess. Certainly it's never been forever.
Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 21d
Many years ago my parents had a neighbor. He was a nice guy but annoying as all hell at times, so much so that my mom purposely avoided him at the pool. If she saw him she'd go out of her way to walk around to the side of the pool and be sure to not get in the water when he was in there. She spent months not being able to say 1 remotely decent thing about him.
Then he died unexpectedly of a heart attack. And suddenly he was the nicest person she knew, always so friendly and loved chatting with him, etc etc. I straight up called her out on it.
cecinestpasunecommunication@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 21d
Nobody cares about the living. We make up for it by fucking their corpses into paste.
Wren@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 21d
That's one way to show respect.
theneverfox@pawb.social · 2 pts · 20d
I think it's more of a "don't hold onto hatred" kinda thing. They're dead, so let it go for your own sake, as well as those grieving. It doesn't help anyone
I don't think it applies to public figures though... At least not if their family isn't around. Hell, I think it's just fine to celebrate the world becoming a better place
I don't let hatred build up in myself, but I sure as hell have felt hope when I see some monsters have gone
BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 21d
From my understanding, it's more of a tradition, or a rule of thumb, than a capital offense.
Kind of a way of saying well: that's that.
I don't think you're supposed to white wash assholes, just don't marinate in it now that it's less important.
Of course, you don't denigrate yourself or others for the dead, but carrying their water would be real dumb too.
gnufuu@lemmy.ca · 13 pts · 22d
Catholicism unironically teaches this, and you can even skip the charity part.
homes@piefed.world · 13 pts · 22d
pitiless and disrespectful people deserve neither pity nor respect
stoy@lemmy.zip · 11 pts · 22d
I have a collection of small bottles of rum each dedicated to celebrating the death of a terrible person, I have also drawn up a list of good restaurants to celebrate further a few days later.
weariedfae@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 22d
I bought fireworks for the big one.
shiv@sh.itjust.works · 11 pts · 21d
chiliedogg@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 21d
I stick to talking about positive things they've done.
For instance, Lindsey Graham died.
theneverfox@pawb.social · 1 pts · 20d
Everyone liked that
HootinNHollerin@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 9 pts · 22d
He called for nuking Iran. Let er rip
MyVeryRealName@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 21d
I don't think it applies to politicians. Nobody asks folks to spare Hitler of criticism because he's dead.
notnixxon@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 21d
Well, he did kill Hitler.
87Six@lemmy.zip · 8 pts · 21d
If they were a bad person I will wholeheartedly speak whatever the fuck I want and whenever the fuck I want.
cowboydan@quokk.au · 7 pts · 21d
angstylittlecatboy@reddthat.com · 4 pts · 21d
I wouldn't have a problem not speaking ill of dead conservatives if it weren't for the fact that conservatives think "41%" is the height of comedy
Conservative politicians speak ill of masses of dead innocent civilians.
Echolynx@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 21d
What does that mean?
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 22d
That saying generally applies to people you know, not so much famous people.
unemployedclaquer@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 22d
Yeah I think the mods might be disabled, as not technically wrong, just functionally and morally stupid, regarding the death of renowned evil shit-person Sen.
Sorry turns out scotus ruled senators can be animatronics
charokol@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 21d
“You shouldn’t speak ill of the dead” doesn’t say anything about morality, so the second person’s point is irrelevant and wouldn’t be considered a gotcha by the MAGA guy