I've argued the merits of miracle whip for over a decade at least. I despise the food snobbery underpinning its hate anyway, and the fact that it has its culinary place just adds spice to my disgust.
But better? Nah, just a different product with different use cases.
It's like saying oranges are better than apples. Yeah, someone may like one better than the other, but they're totally different experiences and are used differently as ingredients. MW may be closer to mayo than apples and oranges, but that's a matter of degree, not essense.
I tend to favor MW on most sandwiches personally, but some mix of mayo and MW in salads, deviled eggs and the like. Dips are almost always mayo.
But even that is preference, not an objective state of being. No food preferences are ever objective.
And have your ever seen a tangerine pie? No, because it would be a pulpy mess. >!and if you bring up lemon meringue or key lime, I shall throw a granny smith at you!<
Ngl, lemon meringue pie from scratch is a demanding recipe. A lot of kitchen skills involved, even with the crust.
But back ages ago, I used to say I was not a baker, that the only thing I could bake was biscuits (the US kind). Turns out I was wrong. I don't bake as much as I used to, but I can still turn out damn fine baked goods.
Just in case you change your mind, I'm copying in the recipe. And, if you decide to take a crack at it, or any other baking, don't hesitate to reach out.
Lemon Meringue Pie: Reloaded
Dessert, Pies
Prep Time: 35 min | Cook Time: 4 hr 50 min | Servings: Yield: 6 to 8 servings
Ingredients:
Crust:
110 grams (8 tablespoons) unsalted butter, sliced into very thin pats
150 grams all-purpose flour
1/2 teaspoon kosher salt
1/4 cup ice water
Lemon Filling:
70 grams egg yolk (4 large) (reserve whites for meringue)
280 grams sugar (1 1/3 cups)
50 grams cornstarch (1/3 cup)
1 1/2 cups water
1/4 teaspoon kosher salt
45 grams unsalted butter (3 tablespoons)
1/2 cup lemon juice
1 tablespoon finely grated lemon zest
Meringue Topping:
165 grams egg white (1 egg white plus the 4 reserved from the filling)
150 grams sugar (3/4 cup)
1/2 teaspoon cream of tartar
1/4 teaspoon kosher salt
Hardware:
Food processor
2 metal pie pans
Rolling pin
Cooling rack
Directions:
Crust: Place butter in the freezer for 15 minutes along with two identical 9-inch metal pie pans.
Combine flour and salt in the bowl of a food processor and pulse 2 to 4 times then add butter and pulse 8 to 10 times, until texture looks mealy and no large lumps of butter remain (see Cook's Note). Pour in water and pulse 5 times. (At this point the mixture should hold together when squeezed.) Turn dough out onto a sheet of plastic wrap and draw the plastic up around it, squeezing and pressing the dough into a ball. Flatten into an inch thick disk and refrigerate for 30 minutes.
Remove dough from refrigerator, unwrap and place on a lightly floured piece of parchment paper. Dust the top of the disk with a small amount of flour and top with a second sheet of parchment. Roll dough out into a round 1/8-inch thick. If the dough is too firm to roll at first, give it 5 minutes to soften, but not much more or the fat may start to melt.
Remove pie pans from the freezer and invert one. Lay the dough, sandwiched between parchment sheets, over the inverted pan and peel back the top sheet of parchment. Place the second pan over the inverted pan and press down gently to shape the dough. Flip both pans over, lift the top one out, peel away the other piece of parchment, set the pie pan back into the other. Flip the pan/dough sandwich over and trim away excess dough. Freeze the dough sandwiched between the pans for at least 30 minutes.
Meanwhile, position a rack in the center of the oven with a second just beneath it. Heat oven to 300 degrees F.
Place inverted pie pans in oven directly on the top rack and place a sheet on the lower rack to catch any butter that might render out. Bake for 1 hour then crank the oven to 375 degrees F, and bake until browned, about 15 minutes more. Remove from oven and cool for 20 minutes with both pie pans in place. Then invert, remove the top pie pan and cool completely while you make the filling.
Filling: Whisk egg yolks until light in color in a medium nonreactive bowl and set aside.
Whisk sugar, cornstarch, water and salt in a medium saucepan and bring to a simmer over medium heat. Whisk in butter and continue whisking until just boiling (mixture will become thick and glossy and almost clear).
Remove from heat and temper the yolks by slowly adding the hot starch mixture to them a whisk full at a time, stirring constantly until one-third of the starch mixture has been worked into the eggs, then return that mixture to the saucepan.
Stir in the lemon juice and zest, reduce heat to medium-low and whisk constantly until mixture returns to a boil. Cook for one full minute more then pour into the pie shell. Cool at room temperature an hour and a half before topping with meringue.
Meringue Topping: Whisk together egg whites, sugar, cream of tartar and salt in the bowl of a stand mixer then place the bowl over a pot of simmer water to improvise a double boiler. Whisk constantly until mixture reaches 165 degrees F.
Return the bowl to the stand mixer fitted with the whisk attachment and beat on high until soft peaks form, about 1 minute. Reduce speed to medium and continue to beat until stiff peaks form, about 5 minutes more.
Top pie with meringue, making sure to anchor the meringue to the edges of the crust.
Torch to brown if desired, and who doesn't desire torching a meringue?
Should actually be pretty easy. All the citrus juices tend to make a decent curd using the same process. Might have to adjust the corn starch (or other thickener) what with varying water content, but that's going to be the case from one batch of lemons to another.
Usually, the meringue is harder than the curd.
I use This recipe for lemon meringue, but I've used lime and grapefruit in the same recipe before, and it came out the same consistency. So I imagine tangerine, or any citrus would too
there's a few things where mayo is used, where the sweetness of salad dressing like miracle whip just won't do.
but for the most part, yea. salad dressing is better. i keep a jar of it in the fridge and use some at least 1-2 times a week. i only get mayo when i need it.. and then i often just keep packets from takeaway or 'event' meals to use later. i'd never use a whole jar of mayo before it turned to yuck.
If it wasn't selling sufficient to encourage repurchasing, it wouldn't still be on the shelves. Just like Coke and Pepsi and the "generic" store brands.
I wouldn't argue that any choice is better than another, unless you're talking cheaper or lower calorie or something, but you are definitely allowed to like one more than another.
Hellmans/Best changed their recipe a few years ago and tasted like trash. Switched between a few “fancier” expensive brands and couldn’t find the right flavor, then tried the store brand and it was exactly right and cheaper.
I think Best switched back, but it’s too late , I’m not paying the higher price any longer.
I guess blending 5 ingredients is about the same difficulty level as getting betrayed by a manufacturer, going to a store several times buying 5 different expensive brands, not really liking any of them, and either wasting the food or eating sth you don't like for a few months, and then finally homing in on something. Both takes some amount of work. Both is fine, though. Whatever floats your boat. I also buy a specific store brand mayo and like it. But if they ever change it I'm not so sure anymore. Lots of companies put way too much vinegar into their products.
I misread your comment and thought you hadn't found one you liked.
Still, having a recipe means you're always just a couple minutes away from having fresh mayo at a fraction of the cost.
I figure 1.5 pints costs me about 75 cents. Much cheaper than the store bought stuff. And tastes better than any of them (in my opinion - it is made for own tastes after all).
It's also saved me in a pinch when a recipe called for mayo and I didn't have any.
Also the health difference between olive oil vs the canola or soybean oil used in commercial mayo. Seed oil is one of the worst things we could ever eat.
What sort of highlights creation did you make when you substituted whipped cream, you know, dairy and air for miracle web? Fats, solids, lipids, all that whole weird craziness?
Have you tried adding a little bit of vinegar and maybe sugar to regular mayonnaise? I find that makes for a really unhealthy salad dressing that's similar in taste to miracle whip.
It's been a long time but I remember it tasting distinctly sour, to the point where it's not useful as a general mayonnaise replacement (no matte what some people say).
Given what their chocolate tastes like, I'm usually not too eager to taste US foodstuff when I'm over there (although it's probably going to be a while before I visit again, if ever).
73 Comments
OhmsLawn@lemmy.world · 43 pts · 41d
Never upvoted an unpopular opinion so fast.
I've had that stuff once in my life, and that was enough. Unbelievable.
velma@sh.itjust.works · 13 pts · 41d
Same, immediate upvote along with a small gag
ToiletFlushShowerScream@piefed.world · 23 pts · 41d
Well done! A proper UO! Now get out!
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 16 pts · 40d
This isn't even an unpopular opinion. It is an objectively incorrect statement.
ZERONOVABLOSSOM@sh.itjust.works · 15 pts · 41d
Actually brave take here
Big_Boss_77@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 41d
Miracle whip has it's uses...but sure as shit not as mayonnaise.
Jimbabwe@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 41d
Kewpie and nothing else.
scytale@piefed.zip · 8 pts · 41d
100%. Their sesame dressing is also awesome.
Jimbabwe@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 40d
Agreed! That stuff is amazing.
__Lost__@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 41d
Yes! I finally got some a few months ago and it is so so so much better than any other I've tried.
tanisnikana@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 41d
Kewpie and nothing else!
one_old_coder@piefed.social · 11 pts · 40d
So, a lot of shit that is unhealthy. It's not unpopular, you're just wrong.
jaemo@sh.itjust.works · 11 pts · 40d
Definitely. As an industrial lubricant, you'll not find a superior product to stop that sliding door from squeaking.
I have heard that some fools consider it edible though. I cannot fathom why however. Molten glass dipped in sulphuric acid would be more palatable.
Cris_Citrus@piefed.zip · 10 pts · 41d
You are wrong, upvote.
mlg@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 40d
Can't tell if you're one of those insane people who like corn syrup sodas or one of those insane people who like diet sodas.
Either way, well done, you pissed off a lot of people lmao
Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe · 6 pts · 41d
Ah, yes, Satan's Cum.
trainsrkool@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 41d
out. just.
get out
wetsoggybread@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 41d
But this is unpopular opinions, its exactly where they should be
EntheoNaut@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 41d
Truly an unpopular opinion
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 40d
What the fuck is a miracle whip?
AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 40d
Mayonnaise + copious amounts of
sugarhigh fructose corn syrup.Noel_Skum@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 40d
If it wasn’t for the Wu Tang Clan / Bobby Digital lyrics I wouldn’t even know such a product existed.
southsamurai@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 41d
I've argued the merits of miracle whip for over a decade at least. I despise the food snobbery underpinning its hate anyway, and the fact that it has its culinary place just adds spice to my disgust.
But better? Nah, just a different product with different use cases.
It's like saying oranges are better than apples. Yeah, someone may like one better than the other, but they're totally different experiences and are used differently as ingredients. MW may be closer to mayo than apples and oranges, but that's a matter of degree, not essense.
I tend to favor MW on most sandwiches personally, but some mix of mayo and MW in salads, deviled eggs and the like. Dips are almost always mayo.
But even that is preference, not an objective state of being. No food preferences are ever objective.
Whostosay@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 41d
Oranges are better than apples ya fuckin nerd, ever have a tangerine?
some_kind_of_guy@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 40d
Cosmic crisp mic drop
Whostosay@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 40d
Godamn, he's... Untouchable
southsamurai@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 40d
Pfft, tangerines aren't oranges, they're tangerines.
And have your ever seen a tangerine pie? No, because it would be a pulpy mess. >!and if you bring up lemon meringue or key lime, I shall throw a granny smith at you!<
Ironrod@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 40d
Lemon meringue though 😘
southsamurai@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 40d
https://www.cookingchanneltv.com/recipes/alton-brown/lemon-meringue-pie-reloaded-5538372
That's the recipe I use
Ironrod@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 40d
Apparently it's not available in the UK 😭 I'm honestly terrible at baking so it's probably for the best 😂
southsamurai@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 40d
Ngl, lemon meringue pie from scratch is a demanding recipe. A lot of kitchen skills involved, even with the crust.
But back ages ago, I used to say I was not a baker, that the only thing I could bake was biscuits (the US kind). Turns out I was wrong. I don't bake as much as I used to, but I can still turn out damn fine baked goods.
Just in case you change your mind, I'm copying in the recipe. And, if you decide to take a crack at it, or any other baking, don't hesitate to reach out.
Lemon Meringue Pie: Reloaded
Dessert, Pies Prep Time: 35 min | Cook Time: 4 hr 50 min | Servings: Yield: 6 to 8 servings
Ingredients:
Crust: 110 grams (8 tablespoons) unsalted butter, sliced into very thin pats 150 grams all-purpose flour 1/2 teaspoon kosher salt 1/4 cup ice water Lemon Filling: 70 grams egg yolk (4 large) (reserve whites for meringue) 280 grams sugar (1 1/3 cups) 50 grams cornstarch (1/3 cup) 1 1/2 cups water 1/4 teaspoon kosher salt 45 grams unsalted butter (3 tablespoons) 1/2 cup lemon juice 1 tablespoon finely grated lemon zest Meringue Topping: 165 grams egg white (1 egg white plus the 4 reserved from the filling) 150 grams sugar (3/4 cup) 1/2 teaspoon cream of tartar 1/4 teaspoon kosher salt Hardware: Food processor 2 metal pie pans Rolling pin Cooling rack
Directions:
Crust: Place butter in the freezer for 15 minutes along with two identical 9-inch metal pie pans. Combine flour and salt in the bowl of a food processor and pulse 2 to 4 times then add butter and pulse 8 to 10 times, until texture looks mealy and no large lumps of butter remain (see Cook's Note). Pour in water and pulse 5 times. (At this point the mixture should hold together when squeezed.) Turn dough out onto a sheet of plastic wrap and draw the plastic up around it, squeezing and pressing the dough into a ball. Flatten into an inch thick disk and refrigerate for 30 minutes. Remove dough from refrigerator, unwrap and place on a lightly floured piece of parchment paper. Dust the top of the disk with a small amount of flour and top with a second sheet of parchment. Roll dough out into a round 1/8-inch thick. If the dough is too firm to roll at first, give it 5 minutes to soften, but not much more or the fat may start to melt. Remove pie pans from the freezer and invert one. Lay the dough, sandwiched between parchment sheets, over the inverted pan and peel back the top sheet of parchment. Place the second pan over the inverted pan and press down gently to shape the dough. Flip both pans over, lift the top one out, peel away the other piece of parchment, set the pie pan back into the other. Flip the pan/dough sandwich over and trim away excess dough. Freeze the dough sandwiched between the pans for at least 30 minutes. Meanwhile, position a rack in the center of the oven with a second just beneath it. Heat oven to 300 degrees F. Place inverted pie pans in oven directly on the top rack and place a sheet on the lower rack to catch any butter that might render out. Bake for 1 hour then crank the oven to 375 degrees F, and bake until browned, about 15 minutes more. Remove from oven and cool for 20 minutes with both pie pans in place. Then invert, remove the top pie pan and cool completely while you make the filling. Filling: Whisk egg yolks until light in color in a medium nonreactive bowl and set aside. Whisk sugar, cornstarch, water and salt in a medium saucepan and bring to a simmer over medium heat. Whisk in butter and continue whisking until just boiling (mixture will become thick and glossy and almost clear). Remove from heat and temper the yolks by slowly adding the hot starch mixture to them a whisk full at a time, stirring constantly until one-third of the starch mixture has been worked into the eggs, then return that mixture to the saucepan. Stir in the lemon juice and zest, reduce heat to medium-low and whisk constantly until mixture returns to a boil. Cook for one full minute more then pour into the pie shell. Cool at room temperature an hour and a half before topping with meringue. Meringue Topping: Whisk together egg whites, sugar, cream of tartar and salt in the bowl of a stand mixer then place the bowl over a pot of simmer water to improvise a double boiler. Whisk constantly until mixture reaches 165 degrees F. Return the bowl to the stand mixer fitted with the whisk attachment and beat on high until soft peaks form, about 1 minute. Reduce speed to medium and continue to beat until stiff peaks form, about 5 minutes more. Top pie with meringue, making sure to anchor the meringue to the edges of the crust. Torch to brown if desired, and who doesn't desire torching a meringue?
Whostosay@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 40d
Godamn, now I've got to figure out how to make tangerine meringue pie. Thanks g
southsamurai@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 40d
Should actually be pretty easy. All the citrus juices tend to make a decent curd using the same process. Might have to adjust the corn starch (or other thickener) what with varying water content, but that's going to be the case from one batch of lemons to another.
Usually, the meringue is harder than the curd.
I use This recipe for lemon meringue, but I've used lime and grapefruit in the same recipe before, and it came out the same consistency. So I imagine tangerine, or any citrus would too
Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 40d
Laughs in Duke's superiority
iamericandre@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 40d
The olive oil dukes goes stoooopy
Andonyx@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 40d
And also with you, my brother in creaminess...🙏
aesthelete@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 40d
No. You're wrong.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 36d
Simple, and correct.
Exeous@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 41d
Read as cool whip, was confused.
dnick@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 41d
Both are gross
RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 40d
That's because it's still mined from the deep well deposits that exist underneath Indiana.
While "real" mayonnaise is that abomination the French came up with after they mined out all of their deposits.
sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 41d
This was such a gender split in my family, through generations. The men like Miracle Whip, the women liked mayo.
adarza@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 41d
there's a few things where mayo is used, where the sweetness of salad dressing like miracle whip just won't do.
but for the most part, yea. salad dressing is better. i keep a jar of it in the fridge and use some at least 1-2 times a week. i only get mayo when i need it.. and then i often just keep packets from takeaway or 'event' meals to use later. i'd never use a whole jar of mayo before it turned to yuck.
DomeGuy@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 41d
If it wasn't selling sufficient to encourage repurchasing, it wouldn't still be on the shelves. Just like Coke and Pepsi and the "generic" store brands.
I wouldn't argue that any choice is better than another, unless you're talking cheaper or lower calorie or something, but you are definitely allowed to like one more than another.
thesohoriots@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 41d
I get so much hate for even keeping a jar of it in the house. While duke’s mayo is great, I still just prefer miracle whip.
Andonyx@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 40d
There are a lot of talk therapists with a sliding scale. Just saying.
Th3D3k0y@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 41d
The last time I used miracle whip was when I made what I dubbed "the whitest sandwich":
2 slices of Kahn's bologna
2 slices Kraft American cheese
2 slices of Wonderbread
Miracle Whip
Side of Lays plain potato chips
It wasn't bad, but I never used that jar again, and it was the only time in the last 25 years I had miracle whip on purpose.
EntheoNaut@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 41d
Add some pickle relish to that abomination
some_kind_of_guy@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 40d
Too spicy
robolemmy@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 41d
Miracle whip is better with bologna. In all other cases mayonnaise is better.
Upvoted for being genuinely unpopular and only mostly incorrect.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 41d
As a general rule, anything you're whipping up fresh is going to be better than what comes out of a can.
But I'll spot you that the generic brand store bought mayo jar is marginally less appealing that the name brand improved variety.
A_Very_Big_Fan@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 41d
False. Next question.
Brkdncr@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 41d
Hellmans/Best changed their recipe a few years ago and tasted like trash. Switched between a few “fancier” expensive brands and couldn’t find the right flavor, then tried the store brand and it was exactly right and cheaper.
I think Best switched back, but it’s too late , I’m not paying the higher price any longer.
Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe · 4 pts · 41d
Make your own.
Takes me less than 5 minutes with a stick blender, and I control everything that goes in it.
This is a decent recipe, except I'd sub a light olive oil and add an egg yolk (so one egg, one yolk).
I make it about once a month.
Brkdncr@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 41d
Why? What I’m doing is easy and tastes fine.
hendrik@palaver.p3x.de · 3 pts · 40d
I guess blending 5 ingredients is about the same difficulty level as getting betrayed by a manufacturer, going to a store several times buying 5 different expensive brands, not really liking any of them, and either wasting the food or eating sth you don't like for a few months, and then finally homing in on something. Both takes some amount of work. Both is fine, though. Whatever floats your boat. I also buy a specific store brand mayo and like it. But if they ever change it I'm not so sure anymore. Lots of companies put way too much vinegar into their products.
Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe · 2 pts · 40d
I misread your comment and thought you hadn't found one you liked.
Still, having a recipe means you're always just a couple minutes away from having fresh mayo at a fraction of the cost.
I figure 1.5 pints costs me about 75 cents. Much cheaper than the store bought stuff. And tastes better than any of them (in my opinion - it is made for own tastes after all).
It's also saved me in a pinch when a recipe called for mayo and I didn't have any.
Also the health difference between olive oil vs the canola or soybean oil used in commercial mayo. Seed oil is one of the worst things we could ever eat.
velma@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 41d
We started boycotting Hellmans/Best with the change as well. We go with Duke's now.
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 40d
It's just whatever you grew up with, like so many things.
I like Miracle Whip. And considering it's still sold, plenty of people agree with me.
Having said that, I haven't had it in years because of what it's made out of. Same for many other foods.
EntheoNaut@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 41d
Mustard and hot sauce are all that matter.
Mayo and ranch are fatty white bread lame
If I’m gonna go there actual real whip cream is far fuxking superior to disgusting miracle whip
DomeGuy@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 41d
What sort of highlights creation did you make when you substituted whipped cream, you know, dairy and air for miracle web? Fats, solids, lipids, all that whole weird craziness?
EntheoNaut@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 41d
Hydrogenated oils and hf corn syrup, nfw.
Give me the real.
Let the lemmings have their miracle whip, ranch, mayo and margarine.
MrShankles@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 41d
Wait, I use mustard or hot sauce... but do you mix them? Have I been missing out‽
EntheoNaut@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 41d
I don’t mix per se but I’ll put mustard on one slice and hot sauce on the other. They mix in my belly!!
Super yum 😋
Hairyfishnuts@feddit.online · 1 pts · 41d
RBWells@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 37d
Upvoted and gagged. Eew.
Bebopalouie@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 41d
I don’t like real mayo. The only way I have miracle whip is with tuna.
anyhow2503@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 40d
Have you tried adding a little bit of vinegar and maybe sugar to regular mayonnaise? I find that makes for a really unhealthy salad dressing that's similar in taste to miracle whip.
AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 40d
Adding vinegar to mayonnaise is exceedingly common. Yolk, oil, mustard, vinegar and salt are the usual ingredients.
anyhow2503@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 40d
Yes, but not as much as you need to get a taste approaching miracle whip.
AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 40d
That's possible, I have no idea what it tastes like, so I'll take your word for it 😁
anyhow2503@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 40d
It's been a long time but I remember it tasting distinctly sour, to the point where it's not useful as a general mayonnaise replacement (no matte what some people say).
AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 40d
Given what their chocolate tastes like, I'm usually not too eager to taste US foodstuff when I'm over there (although it's probably going to be a while before I visit again, if ever).
Crashumbc@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 40d
I'm on team MW, I admit.