Judge approves a $1.5B Anthropic settlement over pirated books used to train the Claude chatbot
https://apnews.com/article/ai-anthropic-copyright-settlement-claude-books-bartz-74b140444023898aeba8579b6e9f0d63
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Harvey656@lemmy.world · 271 pts · 21d
I would have something to say, but one of the comments in the article said it better than I could.
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world · 35 pts · 21d
Ditto.
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 21d
So say we all
minorkeys@sh.itjust.works · 20 pts · 21d
Yeah and we sit on our collective asses and refuse to make them fix it.
JPAKx4@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 11 pts · 21d
I wouldn't be surprised if an author wanted to waive there claim to the settlement and look for more, but arguing for damages is a hard hurdle. Depending on the local laws you may need actual examples, or a measurable decrease in sales. Fuck this ask for forgiveness shit
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 19d
Definitely ridiculous.
However, nobody is going to prison for making a backup of an album they own.
Like why undermine your own argument in that way? Weird.
phoenixz@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 20d
FTFY
tty5@lemmy.world · 84 pts · 20d
Statutory damages are 150k per violation and that's how much music industry often got in court per song. This settlement would cover 10K books at this rate, they downloaded over 7M.
This settlement is 0.14% of what statutory damages would have been.
M0oP0o@mander.xyz · 64 pts · 20d
Oh but those rules are only for poors. Silly you.
FoxAlive@lemmy.zip · 68 pts · 21d
They should be forced to remove all models that have said stolen content or can receive a fine that doubles in value for each violation afterwards. So if the fine exponentially grows larger the longer they choose to break the law. 1 million first fine, 2 million second. 4 the third, 8m the fourth time. etc, etc.
violentfart@lemmy.world · 30 pts · 21d
$1.5B/mo licensing fee
FoxAlive@lemmy.zip · 30 pts · 21d
If they had to pay out royalties, or pay licensing fees to everyone they stole from, my whole perspectice on LLMs would be different.
Or at least I would be less inclined to make some of the criticisms I have on it.
minorkeys@sh.itjust.works · 66 pts · 21d
They should have to pay ongoing royalties forever. There is no separating the training data now.
quick_snail@feddit.nl · 2 pts · 20d
The judge ruled that the training was not a violation of copyright
minorkeys@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 20d
Is the selling of the use of the device trained on it a violation? Because it it should be. Is the use of the device to make money a violation? Because it should be.
quick_snail@feddit.nl · 2 pts · 20d
No, not according to this ruling.
The fine here was only because they pirated the books they used to train it on
pulsewidth@lemmy.world · 37 pts · 20d
Everyone is saying this isn't anywhere near what they should be getting, and that's true. But this also opens the door to further legal action from others infringed upon, increasing their likelihood of winning.
If it were me I'd ask the judge to order payment immediately, before this bubble pops and they get nothing. It's all a house of cards built on sand.
NekoKoneko@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 20d
Not favorable terms to them but...Gotta settle that suit quick so you can cash in with an IPO, before the bubble pops.
Right now they're settling at their inflated valuation so it's all Monopoly money.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 19d
How is this not favorable to them? They're making off like bandits, AND setting a bad (for everyone else) precedent
NekoKoneko@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 19d
I agree, sorry for my poor writing. I mean to say, the dollar value and decision to settle at this stage on such a fundamental dispute to their business is atypical, and they only agreed to it because of their absolutely nonsense valuation and the IPO plans.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 20d
right now they want retailers to hold the bags when the bubble bursts.
quick_snail@feddit.nl · 18 pts · 20d
What?!? This is a disastrous ruling!
phoenixz@lemmy.ca · 13 pts · 20d
Then copyright doesn't exist anymore either. You can't have your cake and eat it
DougHolland@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 19d
This is a pittance — about $3,000 per victim, for having their life's work copied and distributed to, effectively, anyone and everyone on Earth.
Donkter@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 19d
And 90% goes to the lawyers.
kreskin@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 20d
chump change.
BlackLaZoR@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 19d
Cost of doing business.
In reality proper punishment would be forbidding all models trained on copyrighted content from being monetized.
That would actually hurt since the whole point was to build these models and just pay the fine