It really doesn't matter what you say when you argue with people on the internet. No historical evidence, statistics, political theory, or emotional appeal can change someone's mind.
Without getting into US politics, I think this country is going to have to learn how to resist White supremacy & nationalism the hard way. Things have to get worse before they can get better.
This is also true in person. Unless the setting is one where everyone involved is intentionally trying to expose themselves to new ideas they will ignore any new information they don't want to hear.
You can plant the seed of doubt though, and sometimes that is enough for at least the smallest of changes. That's why I enjoy getting e-gangbanged in l/Atheism. 😅
I don’t quite agree. What you say won’t instantly change someone’s mind, but it plants a seed, sometimes even if the person seems to be doubling down hard.
When I’ve changed my mind about important things, it usually wasn’t because of one conversation. It was more like 100 conversations and articles that slowly built up doubt until one more point tipped me over. None of those individual conversations would have seemed to make a difference to the other person, but they ultimately contributed to me changing my mind.
True in many cases, or maybe most of the time, but the way things are going, there really are a load of existential things at work to be both aware of, wary of, and take precautions against.
These are not the 'simple times' of even 20yrs ago.
I don't understand why people care so much about what other people look like.
I'll never get it. But I don't think I've ever met someone who didn't like obsesses over their 'look' and go off about how other people are horrible for not looking they way think they should.
and I kind of lose all respect for people who go on their little rants about fashion, or teeth, or haircuts or any of that, especially when they like use it to boost their own ego how they don't wear crocs or something, it's so weird and petty and gross.
Not taking for granted what I actually have. I constantly fail to live in the moment. I always seek more. Never satisfied with what I have. And I say I want a long term partner. lmao
42 Comments
balderdash9@lemmy.zip · 43 pts · 48d
It really doesn't matter what you say when you argue with people on the internet. No historical evidence, statistics, political theory, or emotional appeal can change someone's mind.
Without getting into US politics, I think this country is going to have to learn how to resist White supremacy & nationalism the hard way. Things have to get worse before they can get better.
gandalf_der_13te@feddit.org · 8 pts · 48d
i've changed my mind many times after being shown new arguments
balderdash9@lemmy.zip · 7 pts · 48d
I'm speaking in generalizations here, but I take your point.
IronKrill@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 44d
You can't change their mind, we just went over this!
snooggums@piefed.world · 8 pts · 48d
This is also true in person. Unless the setting is one where everyone involved is intentionally trying to expose themselves to new ideas they will ignore any new information they don't want to hear.
ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 47d
You can plant the seed of doubt though, and sometimes that is enough for at least the smallest of changes. That's why I enjoy getting e-gangbanged in l/Atheism. 😅
ladybugs@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 45d
I don’t quite agree. What you say won’t instantly change someone’s mind, but it plants a seed, sometimes even if the person seems to be doubling down hard.
When I’ve changed my mind about important things, it usually wasn’t because of one conversation. It was more like 100 conversations and articles that slowly built up doubt until one more point tipped me over. None of those individual conversations would have seemed to make a difference to the other person, but they ultimately contributed to me changing my mind.
disregardable@lemmy.zip · 22 pts · 48d
You're not going to want to do it later. It will just pile up until it's unmanageable.
AskewLord@piefed.social · 2 pts · 47d
I do want to do it later. I prefer to clean in the morning. So I just go to bed and do in in the morning.
UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 47d
My standards will drop (again), and it will no longer need to be done. EZ
quediuspayu@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 20 pts · 48d
That I fucking need to pay attention to these lessons
bloogoose@lemmy.zip · 15 pts · 48d
UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 47d
Source?
PonyOfWar@pawb.social · 15 pts · 48d
That worrying about things outside of my control is entirely pointless. And that in the vast majority of cases, things turn out fine.
UncleArthur@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 48d
Circle of Influence vs. Circle of Concern.
Put all your effort into the things in the former category because, however hard you try, you can't influence the things in the latter one.
JohnnyEnzyme@piefed.social · 3 pts · 47d
True in many cases, or maybe most of the time, but the way things are going, there really are a load of existential things at work to be both aware of, wary of, and take precautions against.
These are not the 'simple times' of even 20yrs ago.
starlinguk@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 47d
Things have been turning out Not Fine for frigging years now. Do you honestly think climate change will miraculously fix itself?
PonyOfWar@pawb.social · 3 pts · 47d
I was thinking on a way less global scale. Like people getting home safely, recovering from illness etc
justdaveisfine@piefed.social · 15 pts · 48d
That I need to keep it simple.
I tend to make things overcomplicated.
SillyDude@lemmy.zip · 15 pts · 47d
6 beers max
sangriaferret@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 47d
No shots
UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 47d
Who the hell needs 6 beers?!?!?
I only got two hands dude...
PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca · 12 pts · 47d
How to spell guarantee
leanleft@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 47d
guarana tea
PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 38d
Guarana would be another such word
UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 47d
L - I - E - S
moonlight@fedia.io · 11 pts · 48d
That it's safe for me to be seen as I am, and I need to show up vulnerably and imperfectly in order to move forward in life.
I struggle with rsd and anxiety among other things, and instead of learning this lesson I keep hiding away and not actually living.
Waterpumpee@lemmus.org · 9 pts · 47d
Shut my mouth when i know better but criticism is not appreciated
ThatGuy46475@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 47d
Not to try the Sunday crossword
UncleArthur@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 48d
People hate to receive unsolicited advice, however useful or well-meant it is. By all means offer, but don't force the issue if it's declined.
And don't say 'I told you so' if things end up going south, however tempting it might be.
ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 47d
"Stay the hell away from pizza and croissants even if you spent half your life in Southern Europe, dough doesn't agree with you!" ðŸ˜
Elting@piefed.social · 5 pts · 47d
How to drink water without choking on it.
ZeroCool@piefed.ca · 4 pts · 48d
Limited edition/novelty snack flavors are never good. No matter how many mediocre snacks I've had to finish over the years I never learn my lesson.
papalonian@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 47d
Snacks, maybe. Drinks? Oh, hard disagree.
AskewLord@piefed.social · 4 pts · 47d
I don't understand why people care so much about what other people look like.
I'll never get it. But I don't think I've ever met someone who didn't like obsesses over their 'look' and go off about how other people are horrible for not looking they way think they should.
and I kind of lose all respect for people who go on their little rants about fashion, or teeth, or haircuts or any of that, especially when they like use it to boost their own ego how they don't wear crocs or something, it's so weird and petty and gross.
k0e3@lemmy.ca · 0 pts · 47d
The only time I care is when they should be old enough to dress appropriately and they choose not to
darthsundhaft@piefed.social · 4 pts · 48d
Not taking for granted what I actually have. I constantly fail to live in the moment. I always seek more. Never satisfied with what I have. And I say I want a long term partner. lmao
CultLeader4Hire@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 47d
I like him cause he treats me just as shitty as my mom did and it feels comfortable
AskewLord@piefed.social · 1 pts · 47d
could be worse. you could just not like how any treats you.
THE_GR8_MIKE@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 47d
A lot of how I feel is normal and I don't have to belittle myself for feeling how I do.
sad_detective_man@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 47d
"Be more quiet and mysterious this time"
quediuspayu@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 48d
bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 45d
I don't need to instantly be a pro at everything I do.
I don't need to do every single thing the hardest way possible starting from the ground up.
I won't learn these because my degree of ethics and authenticity is wayy too high.
UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml · 0 pts · 47d
Humans are in charge of human civilization.