The Greenland government’s statement said it “would not be proportionate” to demand the equipment be removed.
Have they learned nothing? Trump will keep taking more, inch by inch, until he feels consequences. His poll numbers are at historic lows, and he is busy with Iran, now is the time to stand up to this menace.
I'd just let that shit sit there and keep telling them "we're working on it" with the approval process. I would definitely keep stalling until November to see what happens.
You're spot on. They're going to do whatever they want, and if their exploratory wells prove reserves Trump will just declare Greenland part of the U.S. and that's that. There is already a U.S. base on the island and it will be manned with sufficient troops to suppress dissent.
Except it won’t really be the end of it and therein lies the risk. Trump maybe thinking that since the US has a base on the island and the Greenlanders have no army of their own, that the island is technically already his. It’s exactly the kind of incompetence and stupidity that got him entrenched in a forever war with Iran.
And just like Iran made a mistake by not posing a credible threat, Europe is far to lenient when it comes to threats like these. If Europe doesn’t respond with threats of their own, Dementia Donnie might actually start a second European war in Greenland.
I say second, because there is no way Trump is going to end the Iran-war before the midterm elections, even though he seems to think so.
That's the terrifying part, Trump has no capacity for strategic thinking, no regard for anyone else, and no respect for human life. There are only about 56K people on Greenland, and he would treat them like the Conquistadors treated the natives they encountered, or the settlers treated the Native Americans as they stole their lands. Of course there would be huge backlash from Europe, which would likely involve isolating the U.S. from trade, but I doubt there'd be a hot war against the U.S.. I could be wrong though. In any event, Trump is a moron, a horrible person, and it will take the collapse of the U.S. to get rid of him.
I don't think Trump is ready for the shitshow that will cause. Eu has decided to support Greenland, and the response was readied already last year. If USA does this it will be completely devastating to relations between USA and EU. Resulting in a trade war like never seen before. And it will utterly destroy NATO.
We will have to remind all of our active service members about the long and rich tradition of fracking.
Putting troops in a shooting war for Greenland is going to be a hard sell and it seems as though the rank and file need to be reminded that they literally have a responsibility per the UCMJ to refuse illegal orders
This so strongly feels like the obvious play. Seize the equipment, let them buy it back, require payment for delivery outside of the country. If they haven't bought it back within 3 months, auction it off to someone else
The fact that he's busy with Iran is half the reason this is happening. Trump needs a win and probably reckons that he can quickly drive a tit-for-tat escalation over Greenland oil rights in time for the US midterm elections. Right now, his approval ratings are in the toilet, even to a certain extent with voters who have voted for him before... and it's not because his voters disapprove of his law enforcement policies or because of his being all over the Epstein files. It's because right now he's demonstrating major weakness in Iran. He looks weak, and that's the one thing he can't afford to be seen to be.
My point is that he obviously sees Greenland as a quick win. He has some basis for this opinion: Europe is currently hopelessly dependent on the USA for our security. We're working on fixing that, but aside from a few exceptions, we've only been working on it for a few years; we haven't spent decades preparing for a "what if the USA tries to fuck us?" scenario the way Iran has. The USA is busy with Iran, but we're busy with Russia in a way that the USA simply isn't. Right now the EU has Russia sniffing around its eastern border, and a sudden US rug-pull could be disastrous. Both sides are aware of that, which is why the EU has been trying de-escalation so far.
Trump, like Putin, will keep pushing for as long as he's allowed - but the solution of "stand up to him" only works if we can follow through. You don't pull a gun if you're not willing to fire it. Acting tough now and then quickly capitulating later wouldn't help, so the key question is "if we push back and Trump doesn't back down, can we put our money where our mouth is? How far are we willing to go with this if it turns into brinksmanship?". I honestly don't know what the answer to that question is, but European strategists are better briefed on the logistics of the situation than I am, so hopefully they do, and react accordingly. I suspect that the European response will be subtle but firm, moving JUST ENOUGH resources into Greenland's vicinity to let Trump know that if he DOES try something, it would get messy and wouldn't be over quickly enough to give him the quick boost he's looking for.
I don't agree. I think the Israeli's needed breathing room to move forward with the Greater Israel project. The US was brought in to disrupt the Iranian support of Hamas. It was never about winning. It's about providing military assistance to Israel for colonisation of the Middle East.
@Tango@piefed.ca makes a lot of good points. The EU is currently funneling billions into the Eastern front. If the US was to set up shop in Greenland. Could the EU meaningfully push back. They are so entwined with the US any type of war would be a disaster, trade or otherwise.
If the US seriously invades Greenland there's not a lot Europe can do. Almost all EU tech infrastructure relies on US companies. They'd be fucked.
Even more urgency to make ourselves more independent from US tech companies. What is Europe going to do when Microsoft or MasterCard sanctions us? Yeah, exactly. Time to implement alternatives. Monopolies make us all weak and easy to control.
They should fuckind seize the equipment, expell all the deciders involved on site, and ban all senior managers of that company from entering the country again.
We all know the US is a fascist country and will continuously push for more power over everyone else in the world. You aren't all that special for knowing this. The bigger question is what should be done about it?
It's a funny thing when people say they know better than everyone else but at the same time have no idea what to do.
I notice YOU didn't outline any answers, bub. ......but i'm just teasing you.
It sucks being in the US and trying to fight against fascism. There are no easy answers. I could go out and do something that would cost me my life and still have no effect - and as I don't believe in the afterlife, this is all we get. I would be willing to sacrifice myself if it would actually make a difference that made it worth it, but it wouldn't.
Internally, I don't think we can fix this problem. But thanks to our military, it makes it incredibly unlikely anyone else can help us.
We're hardly unique, though. Look at the shitshow of Russia. They are falling apart as a country and STILL nobody will take care of the problem because they have nukes.
And so many countries are on the verge of fascism rising. My only hope is that Europe will see fascism in the US and stand up stronger against it while they still can.
My main hope with Greenland is that Trump is so fucking inept that he won't manage to actually accomplish anything. Like with Iran.
Uh, fuck off. We defended Greenland - sovereign nation within the Kingdom, not ours BTW - for 450 years, the last 80 of them via international treaties and a defense agreement which, it turns out, was an issue because Americans are apparently dumber than a bag of dicks and decided to reelect a fascist rather than a black woman.
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meat@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 141 pts · 1d
Have they learned nothing? Trump will keep taking more, inch by inch, until he feels consequences. His poll numbers are at historic lows, and he is busy with Iran, now is the time to stand up to this menace.
Major_Tsiom@fedia.io · 28 pts · 1d
I'd just let that shit sit there and keep telling them "we're working on it" with the approval process. I would definitely keep stalling until November to see what happens.
Mihies@programming.dev · 21 pts · 1d
What makes you think they will wait?
N0t_5ure@lemmy.world · 28 pts · 1d
You're spot on. They're going to do whatever they want, and if their exploratory wells prove reserves Trump will just declare Greenland part of the U.S. and that's that. There is already a U.S. base on the island and it will be manned with sufficient troops to suppress dissent.
metermatic26@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 1d
Except it won’t really be the end of it and therein lies the risk. Trump maybe thinking that since the US has a base on the island and the Greenlanders have no army of their own, that the island is technically already his. It’s exactly the kind of incompetence and stupidity that got him entrenched in a forever war with Iran.
And just like Iran made a mistake by not posing a credible threat, Europe is far to lenient when it comes to threats like these. If Europe doesn’t respond with threats of their own, Dementia Donnie might actually start a second European war in Greenland.
I say second, because there is no way Trump is going to end the Iran-war before the midterm elections, even though he seems to think so.
N0t_5ure@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 1d
That's the terrifying part, Trump has no capacity for strategic thinking, no regard for anyone else, and no respect for human life. There are only about 56K people on Greenland, and he would treat them like the Conquistadors treated the natives they encountered, or the settlers treated the Native Americans as they stole their lands. Of course there would be huge backlash from Europe, which would likely involve isolating the U.S. from trade, but I doubt there'd be a hot war against the U.S.. I could be wrong though. In any event, Trump is a moron, a horrible person, and it will take the collapse of the U.S. to get rid of him.
phutatorius@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 7h
Getting rid of him might prevent the further collapse of the US.
in4apenny@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 7h
Americans don't hate him enough to do that.
Buffalox@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 1d
I don't think Trump is ready for the shitshow that will cause. Eu has decided to support Greenland, and the response was readied already last year. If USA does this it will be completely devastating to relations between USA and EU. Resulting in a trade war like never seen before. And it will utterly destroy NATO.
Cypher@aussie.zone · 4 pts · 1d
I’m nearly certain it would result in a shooting war.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 1d
We will have to remind all of our active service members about the long and rich tradition of fracking.
Putting troops in a shooting war for Greenland is going to be a hard sell and it seems as though the rank and file need to be reminded that they literally have a responsibility per the UCMJ to refuse illegal orders
Buffalox@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1d
That is absolutely possible too, and we know USA isn't very good at arctic warfare.
BlindPenguin@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1d
Greyghoster@aussie.zone · 6 pts · 1d
Just arrest and detail the mongrels! Don’t they have ICE there?
You can’t be reasonable with the Demented ad that’s a sign of weakness.
brygphilomena@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 13 pts · 1d
Imported illegally, you say?
Seize it. It's Greenlands Government's property now.
BreakerSwitch@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 1d
This so strongly feels like the obvious play. Seize the equipment, let them buy it back, require payment for delivery outside of the country. If they haven't bought it back within 3 months, auction it off to someone else
Tango@piefed.ca · 10 pts · 1d
The fact that he's busy with Iran is half the reason this is happening. Trump needs a win and probably reckons that he can quickly drive a tit-for-tat escalation over Greenland oil rights in time for the US midterm elections. Right now, his approval ratings are in the toilet, even to a certain extent with voters who have voted for him before... and it's not because his voters disapprove of his law enforcement policies or because of his being all over the Epstein files. It's because right now he's demonstrating major weakness in Iran. He looks weak, and that's the one thing he can't afford to be seen to be.
My point is that he obviously sees Greenland as a quick win. He has some basis for this opinion: Europe is currently hopelessly dependent on the USA for our security. We're working on fixing that, but aside from a few exceptions, we've only been working on it for a few years; we haven't spent decades preparing for a "what if the USA tries to fuck us?" scenario the way Iran has. The USA is busy with Iran, but we're busy with Russia in a way that the USA simply isn't. Right now the EU has Russia sniffing around its eastern border, and a sudden US rug-pull could be disastrous. Both sides are aware of that, which is why the EU has been trying de-escalation so far.
Trump, like Putin, will keep pushing for as long as he's allowed - but the solution of "stand up to him" only works if we can follow through. You don't pull a gun if you're not willing to fire it. Acting tough now and then quickly capitulating later wouldn't help, so the key question is "if we push back and Trump doesn't back down, can we put our money where our mouth is? How far are we willing to go with this if it turns into brinksmanship?". I honestly don't know what the answer to that question is, but European strategists are better briefed on the logistics of the situation than I am, so hopefully they do, and react accordingly. I suspect that the European response will be subtle but firm, moving JUST ENOUGH resources into Greenland's vicinity to let Trump know that if he DOES try something, it would get messy and wouldn't be over quickly enough to give him the quick boost he's looking for.
Jarix@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 1d
He saw Iran as a quick win too though
mildseason@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 1d
I don't agree. I think the Israeli's needed breathing room to move forward with the Greater Israel project. The US was brought in to disrupt the Iranian support of Hamas. It was never about winning. It's about providing military assistance to Israel for colonisation of the Middle East.
@Tango@piefed.ca makes a lot of good points. The EU is currently funneling billions into the Eastern front. If the US was to set up shop in Greenland. Could the EU meaningfully push back. They are so entwined with the US any type of war would be a disaster, trade or otherwise.
If the US seriously invades Greenland there's not a lot Europe can do. Almost all EU tech infrastructure relies on US companies. They'd be fucked.
Strap in. It's about to get even worse.
benjirenji@slrpnk.net · 1 pts · 23h
Even more urgency to make ourselves more independent from US tech companies. What is Europe going to do when Microsoft or MasterCard sanctions us? Yeah, exactly. Time to implement alternatives. Monopolies make us all weak and easy to control.
Jarix@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 17h
I used win because that's what was used in the comment I replied to.
I was just pointing out that the Iran conflict was not intended to be long engagement either.
If Trump thinks invading Greenland is going to be a quick engagement that's also as much of a miscalculation as thinking Iran would be quick.
Further more I don't disagree that good points were made. If the US declares ownership of Greenland that will be the next chapter world warfare.
Strap in indeed. And I for one will go fight it
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 8 pts · 1d
It feels like literally nobody has learned anything and it's honestly a fucking nightmare
matlag@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 15h
No it wouldn't be proportionate.
They should fuckind seize the equipment, expell all the deciders involved on site, and ban all senior managers of that company from entering the country again.
TemplaerDude@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 1d
Fucking stupid how people bend over and keep letting him get away with his bullshit.
FoxtrotDeltaTango@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 20h
Yeah, this unfortunately
He can’t keep getting away with this!
SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 20h
We all know the US is a fascist country and will continuously push for more power over everyone else in the world. You aren't all that special for knowing this. The bigger question is what should be done about it?
It's a funny thing when people say they know better than everyone else but at the same time have no idea what to do.
daychilde@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 18h
I notice YOU didn't outline any answers, bub. ......but i'm just teasing you.
It sucks being in the US and trying to fight against fascism. There are no easy answers. I could go out and do something that would cost me my life and still have no effect - and as I don't believe in the afterlife, this is all we get. I would be willing to sacrifice myself if it would actually make a difference that made it worth it, but it wouldn't.
Internally, I don't think we can fix this problem. But thanks to our military, it makes it incredibly unlikely anyone else can help us.
We're hardly unique, though. Look at the shitshow of Russia. They are falling apart as a country and STILL nobody will take care of the problem because they have nukes.
And so many countries are on the verge of fascism rising. My only hope is that Europe will see fascism in the US and stand up stronger against it while they still can.
My main hope with Greenland is that Trump is so fucking inept that he won't manage to actually accomplish anything. Like with Iran.
FoxtrotDeltaTango@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 20h
They still learn nothing, it will be a brutal experience for them to learn something
Napster153@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 12h
Corruption is signing the order to guillotine your own family and still thinking your above that same order.
Archimedes@sh.itjust.works · 56 pts · 1d
They can be arrested and charged and the equipment seized.
What they are doing is a crime after all.
aarch0x40@piefed.social · 28 pts · 1d
Bold move for Mr Trump seeing he’s out of bombs
albbi@piefed.ca · 15 pts · 1d
There's always nukulur weapons in the banana stand!
matlag@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 15h
If Greenland doesn't have swarms of cheap drones, Trump won't need missiles. He will go to ground invasion directly.
Fishnoodle@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 1d
Make their CEO visit the shadow realm and see if they follow through...
Trampampoline@sh.itjust.works · 14 pts · 1d
Maybe they should, I dunno... do something about it?
Tabula_stercore@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 1d
Citizen of Europe, treat the statians in the bases in your country on cocktails. The authentic Finnish variety.
FoxtrotDeltaTango@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 20h
Good old fashioned Molotov cocktails
kuiskaaja@lemmy.ml · 8 pts · 1d
don't americans know that u can buy oil from the grocery store for quite cheap?
really dumb idiots
DanceMomsSavedMe@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 4h
Have they tried asking really nicely?
bold_atlas@lemmy.world · -9 pts · 20h
Denmark: Either defend your shit or transfer sovereignty to Ukraine or Iran.
CarstenBoll@feddit.dk · 17 pts · 19h
Uh, fuck off. We defended Greenland - sovereign nation within the Kingdom, not ours BTW - for 450 years, the last 80 of them via international treaties and a defense agreement which, it turns out, was an issue because Americans are apparently dumber than a bag of dicks and decided to reelect a fascist rather than a black woman.
Also, who's saying we're not defending it?