Posting another "fried rice" as is again!
Shanghai Veggie Rice 上海菜饭, only salt and white pepper as seasoning. Not even scallions this time! (This is the traditional way of doing it. Look it up, I dare you)
This time, it's even a little mushy!
So enjoy this on your feed! I'll be prepping another one next week!

57 Comments
unemployedclaquer@sopuli.xyz · 31 pts · 16d
Hope you don't mind if I learn along with! I have been committing crimes against rice as well.
stardreamer@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 15 pts · 16d
Welcome aboard! We have plenty of carbs for everyone!
*Quality may vary.
mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de · 23 pts · 16d
Both this post and your last one have been entertaining to look at the comments for. It's like people don't understand that there isn't a single canonical fried rice recipe decreed by Mr. Fried Rice himself in 3000 AD. When it comes to Chinese food this is especially ridiculous.
I think it's great to give criticism and feedback on food. If I was posting food here, that's what I'd want. But, of course, it's a little bit fruitless since you really have to taste the thing to say for sure. But feedback and criticism should always be given with respect to what the dish is intended to be.
stardreamer@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 8 pts · 16d
I honestly didn't dispute the score, but things definitely got wildly personal last time. I suppose my response to it didn't help. I'm used to people using personal attacks to get what they want, so I've hardened myself over such interactions over time: if you do that irl I'm going to go mongoose on ya. :P
But definitely gotta taste the food to be sure. But who knows, maybe everything I make is made of clay or something.
rimu@piefed.social · 2 pts · 16d
There's always more ways to criticise than there are ways to agree so the comments create a negative atmosphere. Upvotes don't balance them out because comments carry more emotional weight. Votes are nearly empty, emotionally, so it takes hundreds of upvotes to counter a single negative comment.
This is built into the structure of the threadiverse and it skews things towards the negative. I'm pondering ways to counter that but I'm not optimistic about finding a solution.
AlteredEgo@lemmy.ml · 18 pts · 16d
That's not fried. There is zero fry on that rice.
stardreamer@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 7 pts · 16d
Exactly! Maybe a bit of a quick toss but that's it!
AlteredEgo@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 16d
Subverting expectations?
chrash0@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 16d
you’re gonna struggle to get a good sear on that ceramic top. the cooktops they use in east Asia look like friggin jet engines, and mise en place is basically a necessity because of how fast things move. even on full blast your wok is gonna struggle to maintain temp up those rounded sides.
that said, authenticity in food is just another story we tell ourselves. the chilis in Asian cuisine, just like the tomatoes in Italy or the potatoes in Ireland, came from America. i say go nuts. the experiments are more fun to me than an “authentic ramen”, a dish that was invented in the 20th century and designed to be pub food.
PM_ME_YOUR_ZOD_RUNES@sh.itjust.works · 20 pts · 16d
While this is true, you can do a pretty good job at replicating it on a regular stovetop. Years ago, I watched a YouTube video of a French guy who tested a bunch of methods for recreating cooking fried rice with a jet engine but on a home stove.
He found that the best method was the following:
I've been doing this method for years and it works amazingly well. Before using this method, I found my fried rice would often come out mushy or wet. It's the closest I've ever come to recreating restaurant fried rice. Id say it's about 90% of the way there and my fried rice is probably my favorite dish I make now.
HerbGrower@slrpnk.net · 11 pts · 16d
Is it authentic is for smooth brains. Is it delicious is far more important.
stardreamer@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 9 pts · 16d
It's a bit of a problem. But then again, apartment living takes its toll.
The biggest problem with the glass stovetop is actually continuous heat. I usually combat it with a carbon steel wok and preheating aggressively and moving it off the heat when needed. But that wok is smaller, so for stuff based on volume I'm back to this non stick again.
BrilliantantTurd4361@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 16d
Butane wok burners are a thing and pretty cheap!
grue@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 16d
You can also use a charcoal chimney starter for wok cooking.
undrwater@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 16d
While I think this is great out-of-the-box thinking, it sounds a bit unsafe.
grue@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 16d
I can't find the clip online, but I learned it from an episode of Good Eats.
While looking for it, I ran across a different video from Alex "French Guy Cooking", who has an improved design. In it, he says he heard about the idea of using a chimney starter for wok cooking from Kenji Lopez-Alt, so that's at least three pretty-famous TV cooking people who endorse the idea.
BrilliantantTurd4361@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 16d
Wok on 🤘
Shayeta@feddit.org · 15 pts · 16d
I like it slightly crispy. This is definitely too moist for me.
stardreamer@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 8 pts · 16d
It's actually not really a "fried rice", since it's supposed to be steaming rice with veg + sausage.
But then people realized the baby bok choy turns yellow if you do that, hence an extra toss in the wok. It's definitely closer to steamed rice though.
Cris_Citrus@piefed.zip · 5 pts · 16d
That makes sense. If I wanted fried rice and got this instead I'd be sad cause I love the texture of fried rice with my whole heart and soul, but I get not having a great way to label it short of typing out "steamed rice with veggies and sausage", which doesn't really sound as nice
It would make me sad if I was expecting fried rice though lol
Cute username by the way!
red_bull_of_juarez@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 14 pts · 16d
I do like Uncle Roger's recipe and his comments on other people making fried rice. But in general I don't like gatekeeping. I try to follow "don't yuck someone else's yum". The most important thing is that you enjoy your fried rice, fuck the haters.
stardreamer@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 8 pts · 16d
I get it. One controversial rule that I do follow is "no msg". It's one of the few things that might drive people crazy. Especially Uncle Roger.
Back in the early 2000s there was a government (not sure if regional or national) campaign in China that pushed for reducing MSG consumption based on health research at the time. While I'm not sure how many households actually listened, ours did - no MSG in anything homemade + avoid eating out whenever possible.
These days, it seems like the MSG health debate has shifted in the opposite direction. I still avoid it whenever possible cause (1) a lot of times people add MSG to sub for ingredients that add umami and it's easier to add the actual stuff (dried scallops, mushrooms, roasted tomatoes, sugar, etc) and (2) suppose someone says high fructose corn syrup is safe to eat in large quantities tomorrow, are you willing to make the switch? I'm pretty sure most people would still be hesitant.
So things would probably taste better with MSG, but I just prefer to personally avoid it. That being said, if guests would prefer to add it, they are free to do so themselves.
Smug_Marmot@lemmy.zip · 12 pts · 16d
That push happened in the US too around the same time, but it only focused on Chinese food. News outlets made a big fuss about it, yet rarely if ever pointed out how widely MSG was used in the US outside of Chinese food.
The claim was that MSG caused headaches based on research from the 70s and 80s, which has had mixed results in studies throughout the years and now has no strong link IIRC.
Either way its usage is personal preference, like any other spice or cooking method, and I wholeheartedly agree with your first point about subbing msg.
ayyy@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 16d
Yeah, it turns out that racism causes headaches. There is more MSG in a can of Campbell’s soup than an entire vat of Chinese cooking.
Rothe@piefed.social · 4 pts · 16d
Yeah, I also avoid MSG because I think it makes everything taste the same.
Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 15d
Messaging while eating? No way!
For the uncultured swines like me:
anewfox@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 16d
i'd already been really sick of that "everyone's so creative" cooking content for a while, because it's mostly just bullying, but uncle roger put me off him for good when he ballbusted a 12 year old for using a bench scraper. you know, the extremely common tool that every youtube cook uses in every single video.
red_bull_of_juarez@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 16d
Uncle Roger is comedy, he's not actually going after anyone. Like Lionfield, who do this for Italian food. I don't like culinary gatekeeping, but I can still see their content for what it is intended to be.
ayyy@sh.itjust.works · -1 pts · 16d
Racist AF?
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 12 pts · 16d
No MSG? Uncle Roger isn't gonna be happy.
halloejsovs@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 15d
Fuyoo!
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 16d
Rice salad isn't supposed to be cooked.
stardreamer@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 6 pts · 16d
I'm gonna call it this now, thanks.
Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 15d
Or the more fancy french: Salade de riz (same ingredients).
sen@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 16d
I mean it does look pretty awful but I'm certain it fucking slaps.
Hello_there@fedia.io · 5 pts · 16d
Where's the pineapple?
stardreamer@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 16d
Enjoying its best life in a Taiwanese pastry!
ksh@aussie.zone · 5 pts · 16d
Dry harder
pelya@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 16d
This rice had touched the skillet heated above water-boiling temperature, so it's a fried rice.
What more do you expect out of fried rice? A thick black crust dripping with oil? Looks edible enough to me.
stardreamer@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 12 pts · 16d
It's only Fried Rice if it's made by Fry from Futurama. Otherwise it's just rice.
arichtman@eigenmagic.net · 1 pts · 14d
@stardreamer @pelya :notsureif:
TomAwezome@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 16d
You're telling me a Shanghai Veggie fried this rice??
brave_lemmywinks@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 16d
I went and checked, the other rice looked pretty good to me too. But I'm not Asian nor have deep feelings on rice.
mystrawberrymind@piefed.ca · 13 pts · 16d
I’m Asian and don’t think anything special about fried rice lol. It’s just basic, like dressing up your ramen. Make-it-how-you-like-it with whatever you have in the fridge type of food.
There’s just one key you must know: use old rice, avoid using fresh. It’s easier to fry that way. Similar to using old bread for croutons or french toast
Add an egg if you want that nice yellow color.
makeshift0546@lemmy.today · -6 pts · 16d
Making good fried rice at home in quantity is hard. You need heat and smoke, lots of it. I regularly will be lazy and make it in quantity indoors because it's easy and I have other shit to prioritize.
But you clearly are out of your element with regards to the difference between a proper fried rice. I could identify this vs a proper cooked fried rice in a double bind 10 of 10 times. The heat and constant movement create new flavors. This isn't some imaginary thing. They taste different.
Both are fine depending on goals.
4am@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 16d
Is that Blue Seal Polish kielbasa mixed in? The pinkish chunks?
stardreamer@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 16d
Nice eye! I'm not sure how you managed to guess the exact type of sausage but you're right.
Back home, we used this Harbin sausage (哈尔滨红肠) that was garlicky and supposedly introduced from Russia back in the day. Since the US doesn't allow meat imports, this was the closest thing in terms of taste and texture I can find. I'm assuming the Chinese version might have descended from Polish cuisine from a land route as well.
katze@lemmy.4d2.org · 2 pts · 15d
That is how I made my fried rice for over 5 years, because there was a smoke detector right above the stove.
I mean it can taste pretty good if you know what you are doing.
GarboDog@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 15d
Looks peak!! Kinda makes us want to make fried rice :3
Quetzalcutlass@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 16d
That looks delicious!
Coincidentally, one of the food YouTubers I follow just did a video showing a similar variant of fried rice, which was the first time I'd seen it without any dark sauce added.
Allero@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 15d
Is it like a meme to say bad things about it? Dk about others, to me it looks great! Has all it takes to taste heavenly, too
searabbit@piefed.social · -2 pts · 16d
You sound salty about rice that looks pretty mediocre. I'm not shitting on enjoying mediocre food that only tastes marginally like the name you're claiming it is (I cook worse meals pretty regularly that I enjoy), but I'm not really sure what you expected posting it online. You want your online parents to say they're proud of you?
stardreamer@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 19 pts · 16d
Outside of the rice discussion: I think it's important to post "something" if you care about the health of the platform itself. Rather than complaining about the lack of activity outside of tech and gaming, it's more effective to post something yourself. My total number of posts on Reddit since 2018 is 1, but I'm trying to keep myself to at least one post per week here just for the sake of it.
As for people being hostile on the Internet, sure that's expected, but that doesn't mean I can't be bored out of my mind to respond. I just have a grudge against people who frame everything as "constructive criticism" that aren't being constructive at all. Especially if they themselves aren't willing to step their foot in the game either.
undrwater@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 16d
Great argument. Keep it up!
5318008@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 16d
Why did you write this?
makeshift0546@lemmy.today · -8 pts · 16d
This is basically the nerd version of this:
https://youtu.be/UajTvU3sjrY?is=tkYKJdGEYC_2xlkw
1 nerd gets excited and posts.
Second nerd wants to screech because first nerd is doing it wrong.
Then the first nerd gets mad and instead of ignoring or learning, they double down on their shitty technique in some mentality pyrrhic battle for the attention of the rest of the nerds.
Like imagine spending time actively making your food worse (whether you care or not is not the point) and then posting about it for Internet points.
Everyone just a monkey tossing their shit at each other.
stardreamer@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 16d
Petty? Yes definitely. But your description is an extremely reductionist take.
I'm focusing on making one post per week to contribute some degree of engagement on Lemmy. Can't complain about the platform dying if you don't put in some effort yourself.
That being said, immediately resorting to personal attacks over what is perceived as "correct technique" not only doesn't help with encouraging engagement on Lemmy, it also doesn't make them "right" -- it just makes them look like an a-hole. Doubly so if the whole thing involves something as subjective as taste in food. While I don't dispute that my technique is perfect in the original post (I'm making these for myself to eat, not social media posting. So the effort spent on each dish is limited), I do think some criticism crosses the line as to not being constructive.
In the case of last week's post, I started off with saying there is no sauce, unlike the case of American Chinese food, which seems to add sauce for no reason. What even is "sauce" anyways? Outside of Cantonese style cooking, I don't expect any fried rice to come with "sauce". Especially from a region that tends towards using salt, pepper, and sesame oil to naturally uplift the taste of raw ingredients. I don't need someone with a total of 3 comments telling me that they can do better if they wanted to post (but don't, for "reasons"), or belittling an entire region just because they needed to drive home that I'm a shit cook with an attitude problem that needs correcting. (I agree with the attitude problem, hence this post.) Who gave THEM the divine authority to correct everyone's attitudes?