It's really interesting talking to people who voted for trump.
It's like, he said what he would do!!!!
And then he did it.
And now you're are surprised?
It really seems they like they didn't believe he would shit on them. When he shit on everyone for his entire life. I remember reading about him refusing to pay subcontractors 50 years ago.
But a huge part was the whole trans, gay, illegal immigrant, abortion and still is.
Yes he made a mess, but he kept his promise on these issues. So he isn't just supported, he is worshipped.
The news that American conservatives see is not the same as the news that everyone else sees. Part of the trick of a media bubble is lying so comprehensively that sources from outside the bubble sound genuinely out of touch with reality, a belief that is consistently and purposefully reinforced by sources inside the bubble. A lot of conservatives in the bubble, especially those that work two or three jobs, don't really have time to fact check everything they see on the news, hear on the AM radio, read on twitter, etc. Some of them (a depressingly high number of them) did genuinely want awful things to happen to others, some of them didn't, but they all were certainly lied to and manipulated.
All this was basically known by the end of Trump1.0 (yeah yeah some will say they knew it in 2015 already, but it took me a while). But who didn't see it after Jan6 '21 was beyond deliberately ignorant.
Him getting re-elected really fucked up a lot of us.
First term, second term... Jan6 should've been the tipping point in everybody's perception. Not just the event and Trump's involvement in it, but the aftermath, all of MAGA, the baking, the hysteria, the hate.
I expected his 2nd term to become much worse, I felt the fear in my gut across the ocean when the election result came out.
But yeah, of course I didn't have any concrete vision, so it's still shocking, all the time.
didnt help the dems slow rolled his conviction because they thought they'd win against him in an election and basically broadcasting to everyone that 'he wasnt as bad as people say! its just political nonsense!'
Anyone that claims to have known anything in 2015 about Drumpf is lying to themselves. He wasn't considered a serious candidate back then. Heck he wasn't considered a serious candidate once he gained the GOP nomination. Going into the 2016 election, basically everyone thought that there was no way that Drumpf would win, including himself and his team based on their live reactions when it was called for him.
I kinda suspect that the GOP was rigging the voting machines far before the 2016 election, but they never told Drumpf or his team, so when he won, Drumpf and his team were kinda blindsided, and didn't have plans in place.
Anyone that claims they didn't have any idea of his plans after 2021 was being intentionally ignorant. Something that The Greediest Generation has perfected for themselves.
Trump May Be a Loudmouthed Demagogue, but Is He a Fascist? Donald Trump’s anti-Muslim rhetoric has his opponents likening him to Benito Mussolini and Adolf Hitler. Such comparisons may be misplaced.
I suspect the person you’re replying to is using “liberal” in a way that refers to someone to the right of their own position. Not in the way Limbaugh used it as a catch-all for anyone left of Reagan.
Likely. I get why people find the modem American use of "liberal" as a synonym for the progressive left annoying, but word usages change and that one has unfortunately stuck, which makes references to the "liberal media" confusing.
I pointed this out elsewhere recently. The lawyers of FOX News, when trying to defend the agency in Dominion Voting Systems v. Fox News Network made it super clear that FOX News is an entertainment channel and is not supposed to be regarded as news (now called the Tucker Carlson Defense) that no reasonable person would interpret the content of the shows on FOX as actual news.
FNC's business model depends on the notion that it's main viewership are not reasonable people.
::: spoiler actually...
I totally voted against this, having experienced Trump's first term; having believed him when he said what he planned on doing on the stump; having become very familiar with Project 2025 Mandate For Leadership. It frustrates me that so many people didn't, and voted based on racism and vibes.
:::
I think people should break through the surrealism and denial and see that this IS America, and America as well as other nations are probably owned by the same people. The nations are tools for wealthy to use. We are the assets of the nation that are traded for work. The nation is like a slave broker, the middle man between us and the agendas of the truly wealthy. It's not about our freedom and humanity... We are just cattle...
Going back to what America was 20 years ago is like giving them another opportunity to fuck us all over again. The corruption is interwined deep in America's culture and soul as well as outside of the nation. The nations are not the top of the ladder.
Every time people start understanding this truth, they do something to lure you back in. They divide us on purpose to keep us in this loop. They market us lifestyle to consolidate us socially and make us easier to manipulate as a group. All sides will always be used for the same end goal of whatever objective they are seeking to fulfill. Even the "fights" against "them" is just another fuel they benefit from.
I'm starting to understand the only way to live for truth is to not be a part of this at all. Even if it means my life will be short.
No, you're suffering from major 'Murica brain to think that everything everywhere will change depending on what happens in the US. The vast majority of the world will continue like normal, the daily lives of 95% of people won't be affected in any noticeable way.
Yes because the last time their economy got screwed up in 2008, nothing happened in the rest of the world...
The entire world is interconnected through trade among other things. The US disappearing suddenly will fuck everything up, not as bad as China disappearing suddenly but still pretty bad
That's weirdly the only good thing about it all: The EU finally learning that we need to disengage from the US. That's something that will take decades and next time the US has a "good" leadership for a few years people will shout for more integration, but slooowly it sinks in that the US is NOT a partner and is NOT reliable and will forever be caught oscillating between center and far right in that two party system.
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bitteroldcoot@piefed.social · 100 pts · 13h
It's really interesting talking to people who voted for trump.
It's like, he said what he would do!!!!
And then he did it.
And now you're are surprised?
It really seems they like they didn't believe he would shit on them. When he shit on everyone for his entire life. I remember reading about him refusing to pay subcontractors 50 years ago.
But a huge part was the whole trans, gay, illegal immigrant, abortion and still is.
Yes he made a mess, but he kept his promise on these issues. So he isn't just supported, he is worshipped.
Kraiden@piefed.social · 45 pts · 11h
This is why I have no sympathy for the "we were lied to" crowd. No you weren't! You just thought he'd do the awful things to someone else!
bitteroldcoot@piefed.social · 21 pts · 11h
I’m not sure how to reply.
Their level of delusion and cognitive dissonance is so large it is difficult to describe.
queerlilhayseed@piefed.blahaj.zone · 7 pts · 5h
The news that American conservatives see is not the same as the news that everyone else sees. Part of the trick of a media bubble is lying so comprehensively that sources from outside the bubble sound genuinely out of touch with reality, a belief that is consistently and purposefully reinforced by sources inside the bubble. A lot of conservatives in the bubble, especially those that work two or three jobs, don't really have time to fact check everything they see on the news, hear on the AM radio, read on twitter, etc. Some of them (a depressingly high number of them) did genuinely want awful things to happen to others, some of them didn't, but they all were certainly lied to and manipulated.
A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip · 12 pts · 9h
Unknown journalist in 2016:
They voted for the elephant in the china shop. They didn't realize they were the china.
A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip · 64 pts · 14h
All this was basically known by the end of Trump1.0 (yeah yeah some will say they knew it in 2015 already, but it took me a while). But who didn't see it after Jan6 '21 was beyond deliberately ignorant.
Him getting re-elected really fucked up a lot of us.
Serinus@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 10h
I expected his first term to go much as his first term actually did. I expected his second term to be worse, but not this much worse.
If he was going to dismantle NATO, I would have expected him to do it shortly after Putin got him elected.
A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip · 11 pts · 10h
First term, second term... Jan6 should've been the tipping point in everybody's perception. Not just the event and Trump's involvement in it, but the aftermath, all of MAGA, the baking, the hysteria, the hate.
I expected his 2nd term to become much worse, I felt the fear in my gut across the ocean when the election result came out.
But yeah, of course I didn't have any concrete vision, so it's still shocking, all the time.
jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 8h
didnt help the dems slow rolled his conviction because they thought they'd win against him in an election and basically broadcasting to everyone that 'he wasnt as bad as people say! its just political nonsense!'
Malica@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 6h
These people cut off their own children for him
AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 4h
Anyone that claims to have known anything in 2015 about Drumpf is lying to themselves. He wasn't considered a serious candidate back then. Heck he wasn't considered a serious candidate once he gained the GOP nomination. Going into the 2016 election, basically everyone thought that there was no way that Drumpf would win, including himself and his team based on their live reactions when it was called for him.
I kinda suspect that the GOP was rigging the voting machines far before the 2016 election, but they never told Drumpf or his team, so when he won, Drumpf and his team were kinda blindsided, and didn't have plans in place.
Anyone that claims they didn't have any idea of his plans after 2021 was being intentionally ignorant. Something that The Greediest Generation has perfected for themselves.
AmyAye@nord.pub · 2 pts · 7h
Yeah, nothing happening now is surprising to anyone paying any attention in 2016, which was apparently basically nobody.
Ferrous@lemmy.ml · 33 pts · 12h
Mainstream media was a day late and a dollar short in understanding the threat of fascism. Par for the course for liberal media.
Google: trump fascism before:2016-01-01
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/12/04/why-you-should-stop-calling-donald-trump-a-fascist/
https://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/donald-trump-isnt-a-fascist-hes-a-media-savvy-know-nothing
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/16/opinion/whose-fascism-is-this-anyway.html
https://theweek.com/articles/574097/donald-trump-leading-protofascist-movement
https://foreignpolicy.com/2015/12/09/trump-may-be-a-loudmouthed-demagogue-but-is-he-a-fascist/
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-fascist-354690
kescusay@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 10h
I'm assuming you meant "liberal" ironically? Those outlets are exactly as liberal as the right-wing conservative corporations that own them.
NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 10h
American liberals are right wing conservative corpos.
some_kind_of_guy@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 8h
I think they meant it literally
humorlessrepost@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 5h
I suspect the person you’re replying to is using “liberal” in a way that refers to someone to the right of their own position. Not in the way Limbaugh used it as a catch-all for anyone left of Reagan.
kescusay@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 4h
Likely. I get why people find the modem American use of "liberal" as a synonym for the progressive left annoying, but word usages change and that one has unfortunately stuck, which makes references to the "liberal media" confusing.
NOT_RICK@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 10h
anarchy79@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 5h
Meh, I'm still on the fence. Let's give him a third term to really figure this out, guys.
Psythik@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 9h
If they wanted the statement to be taken seriously, they shouldn't have put it in the Opinion section.
boonhet@lemmy.zip · 12 pts · 8h
That's what it is though? You can't put opinions in news. Even if your opinion is correct.
Nouvellalia@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 6h
That was not an opinion. He said all those things. That full-page headline is only facts.
humorlessrepost@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 5h
“This thing happened” is news, so “Trump said this” is news.
“You should have this reaction to it” is for the opinion pages, even if that reaction is “you should believe him”.
That isn’t to say the Times doesn’t try to get away with pushing a narrative while technically following the rules, but that rule is still a good one.
yuki_gassen@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 7h
My friend, lemme tell u something about this "news."
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 6h
Fox would like a word…
uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 3h
I pointed this out elsewhere recently. The lawyers of FOX News, when trying to defend the agency in Dominion Voting Systems v. Fox News Network made it super clear that FOX News is an entertainment channel and is not supposed to be regarded as news (now called the Tucker Carlson Defense) that no reasonable person would interpret the content of the shows on FOX as actual news.
FNC's business model depends on the notion that it's main viewership are not reasonable people.
anarchy79@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 5h
You can! In the "opinion" section! It's right there on the first page, actually, right next to the naked lady and perfume ads.
trolololol@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 6h
If he said it is not an opinion but a fact. So, news.
sudoer777@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 2h
Also shouldn't have repeatedly supported a genocide the prior years
Psythik@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 41m
miked@piefed.social · 17 pts · 9h
This was published on October, 27 2024
The election was on November 5, 2024.
It was printed nine days before.
Also, it was the cover of the Opinion section, not the whole paper.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/chilling-nyt-cover-goes-viral-214330000.html
anarchy79@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 5h
Good man.
As in hu-man.
crazycraw@crazypeople.online · 14 pts · 14h
"we - we didn't listen!"
ThePantser@sh.itjust.works · 17 pts · 13h
Hey dont include me, I listened and tried to tell my family and friends. THEY didn't listen.
llamatron@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 13h
I'm pretty sure they did.
They wanted it
mechoman444@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 9h
Huh. He did exactly that...
Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 6h
We’re are very lucky they are so fucking stupid.
devedeset@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 2h
They kinda aren't though? In many ways they are but they had a whole plan with Project 2025 and they actually went through with a good chunk of it.
I think it is dangerous that people keep referring to them as stupid. They are in many ways, but they are primarily evil.
username_1@discuss.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 4h
Who are "you" and who are "they"?
heartSagan5@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 3h
And yet, what, half of P2025 has been enacted?
uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 3h
#ivotedforthis
::: spoiler actually... I totally voted against this, having experienced Trump's first term; having believed him when he said what he planned on doing on the stump; having become very familiar with Project 2025 Mandate For Leadership. It frustrates me that so many people didn't, and voted based on racism and vibes. :::
ilillilillilillililli@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 13h
Puscifer - "The Quiet Parts"
chunes@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 8h
Perhaps the least prophetic thing ever printed.
IAmYouButYouDontKnowYet@reddthat.com · -1 pts · 13h
I really don't think the issue is this simple.
I think people should break through the surrealism and denial and see that this IS America, and America as well as other nations are probably owned by the same people. The nations are tools for wealthy to use. We are the assets of the nation that are traded for work. The nation is like a slave broker, the middle man between us and the agendas of the truly wealthy. It's not about our freedom and humanity... We are just cattle...
Going back to what America was 20 years ago is like giving them another opportunity to fuck us all over again. The corruption is interwined deep in America's culture and soul as well as outside of the nation. The nations are not the top of the ladder.
Every time people start understanding this truth, they do something to lure you back in. They divide us on purpose to keep us in this loop. They market us lifestyle to consolidate us socially and make us easier to manipulate as a group. All sides will always be used for the same end goal of whatever objective they are seeking to fulfill. Even the "fights" against "them" is just another fuel they benefit from.
I'm starting to understand the only way to live for truth is to not be a part of this at all. Even if it means my life will be short.
eestileib@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 13h
The nations are not the top of the ladder, but if you're in the US, all you can see when you get to look up the ladder is Israel's ass.
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 8h
But but Harris?!?1. TeH jEnOsiDeE!!1! She hates teh ghey!
Blurghdurf didn’tearnmyvote hashtag jenosieeide
jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 8 pts · 8h
Yeah its unfortunate the harris decided to run as a republican instead of listening to her actual base.
BussyGyatt@feddit.org · 4 pts · 7h
TheFrirish@tarte.nuage-libre.fr · -14 pts · 8h
So tired of these Trump posts. Even with filters on, cannot escape this. Just disappear US. Irrecuperable messed up country.
kinther@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 8h
What's happens to us will affect everything unfortunately
M137@lemmy.today · -10 pts · 8h
No, you're suffering from major 'Murica brain to think that everything everywhere will change depending on what happens in the US. The vast majority of the world will continue like normal, the daily lives of 95% of people won't be affected in any noticeable way.
boonhet@lemmy.zip · 12 pts · 8h
Yes because the last time their economy got screwed up in 2008, nothing happened in the rest of the world...
The entire world is interconnected through trade among other things. The US disappearing suddenly will fuck everything up, not as bad as China disappearing suddenly but still pretty bad
froh42@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1h
That's weirdly the only good thing about it all: The EU finally learning that we need to disengage from the US. That's something that will take decades and next time the US has a "good" leadership for a few years people will shout for more integration, but slooowly it sinks in that the US is NOT a partner and is NOT reliable and will forever be caught oscillating between center and far right in that two party system.
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 8h
keep believing that.
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 8h
you can easily view only posts in your local instance.