Why do people want to live long beyond 50 years old?

cross-posted from: https://piefed.world/c/questions/p/1386281/why-do-people-want-to-live-long-beyond-50-years-old

It does not make sense to me why people would want to live beyond 50 years old, especially since health problems start becoming more frequent around that age.

Which makes me ask: Why do people wish to live long beyond the age of 50?

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66 Comments

AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.ca · 30 pts · 4d

Why would you want to live beyond whatever age you are now? If tomorrow you were diagnosed with, say, arthritis, would you want to die?

I'm in my 60s. I'm enjoying life. Why would I want to die?

The only people I've know who wanted to die either had problems with depression or were suffering from painful, incurable diseases.

scoobford@piefed.blahaj.zone · 21 pts · 4d (2 replies)

So your fundamental assumption here us that it is better to die than deal with health issues. That's kind of insane mate.

beep@piefed.world · -3 pts · 4d (1 reply)

How so?

a_non_monotonic_function@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 4d

I have a litany of them and I'm much younger than my 50s. What I think it comes down to is to those produce a quality of life such that I would welcome non-existing. I'm not there and I hope not to be there for decades to come

It sounds like you have an issue with resilience. I hope very much for your sake that you acquire some of the same issues that those of us with long-term illnesses have so you can develop perspective.

Or not, maybe you're just a weak-willed piss baby and we won't have to hear these stupid sorts of debates from you. Because you would be dead.

missingno@fedia.io · 20 pts · 4d (4 replies)

Why would I want to die?

beep@piefed.world · -13 pts · 4d (3 replies)

That is not my question.

My question is why people want to live long beyond that age?

missingno@fedia.io · 20 pts · 4d

Because I don't want to die.

DMCMNFIBFFF@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 4d

One could ask the same question at pretty well any age.

FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 3d

So you haven't thought through that not living requires dying?

crunchy@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 16 pts · 4d

Because 50 is still young and most health problems at that age are very treatable.

spittingimage@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 4d

Because there is still sunshine and good whiskey and my happy relationship and I'm learning to cook Mexican meals.

TootSweet@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 4d

I still haven't finished 100 percenting Spiderman 2 (2004) and I've only got 10 years to go before I'm 50.

Hossenfeffer@feddit.uk · 9 pts · 4d

I’m on my late 50s but there’s the Spanish Grand Prix this coming weekend so I’ll cling on to life for at least that long.

Return_of_Chippy@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 4d (22 replies)

What do you think happens when you die?

beep@piefed.world · 4 pts · 4d (5 replies)

Nothing?

Consciousness get voided, anything happening in real life doesn't matter to the person who is no longer living.

Return_of_Chippy@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 4d (4 replies)

Alright, that doesn't scare the absolute fuck out of you more than anything else in the world? Complete loss of control, thought and being in general. That's existential horror and the only way to avoid (temporarily) it is getting older. Sure it might be less good the older you get. But it's still a life and conscience.

Daywim@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 3d (1 reply)

I don’t wanna die, and I wanna grow old, but not because I am scared of death. I mean why would I be scared? As long as I am, death is not, and if death is, then I am not.

Nothing to worry about

Return_of_Chippy@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 3d

I hear ya

Meatwagon@piefed.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 3d (1 reply)

It has already happened to you in the period before you were born. It is the same experience.

Return_of_Chippy@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 3d

Exactly

echo@lemmy.today · -1 pts · 4d (15 replies)

What are you trying to suggest happens? Is this intended to be some kind of 'gotcha' question?

Return_of_Chippy@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 4d (14 replies)

I'm trying to understand OP lol my own beliefs don't matter at all. If OP believes in a pleasant afterlife/reincarnation its not a completely crazy initial question. If OP believes its black void eternity I'm way more confused/concerned. OP has stated nothing happens, in that case, wouldn't you want to live as long as possible? Regardless of the associated suffering you endure with aging, isn't life still better than the empty dark void?

promitheas@programming.dev · 2 pts · 3d (7 replies)

To rephrase a thought that @echo@lemmy.world said in their reply:

Do you remember what it was like before you were born? Chances are no (if you do, please speak with a scientist to study this phenomenon). Thats exactly what death is like. Whether I live 10, 20, 30, or 100 years longer than 40, to me it makes no difference - I wont be aware of those years if Im dead. Sure, for some those 40-50 years they live may be amazing even, but after youre dead its neither good nor bad - it just isnt. So for me personally (always speaking about my own personal beliefs, and never trying to claim that others should also wish to only live until 40/50) Id prefer to die at 40ish. I don't want children (because i dont like them, dont want the responsibility, and my moral code), I refuse to ever get married, so all my life is is a trip that I try to make as comfortable and enjoyable as possible until it stops being so.

Does that mean I will take matters into my own hands and suicide, either by assisted or other methods? No. But in the hypothetical scenario where one could choose when they die in advance, Id personally choose 40 if asked right now.

And to insert a witty quote, "Death is a lot like stupidity. Its only painful for others". I unfortunately don't rememember who said it.

Return_of_Chippy@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 3d (6 replies)

Yeah, that's a way to think about it. I'm not the person who invented the idea of existential dread. It's not something I can so easily just be okay with. I'm 32, doing mostly everything I can to enjoy the world as long as I can. Especially considering the view you have about the before/after, wouldn't the during be the biggest and most important part? I just don't understand the nonchalant attitude towards death. The reason you'd choose 40 is because that's when the physical decline really starts?

promitheas@programming.dev · 1 pts · 3d (5 replies)

Thats exactly my point about the 'during'. Ultimately the only reason it has any meaning is because as animals for a large part of our evolutionary history if it didnt, we'd go insane and probably wouldnt reach this point where we can type messages to each other over the internet. For all of time before humanity, and for all of time after we are all gone (let alone any single individual), the blip of our existence ultimately doesnt have meaning except for the short blips themselves.

And yes, 40s is partly because thats when the living itself starts to become uncomfortable and/or downright painful, but mainly its just an arbitrary age.

Edit: you said you try to enjoy life as long as possible. Im the same, just sans the "as long as possible" part ;) Its not like I dont like fun or dont have things that bring me enjoyment

Return_of_Chippy@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 3d (4 replies)

Because we are just a small part of something big we don't matter at all? I understand your point but I completely disagree with it. "Meaning" is an arbitrary and completely nebulous concept. To your point there is one incredibly small chunk of time we as organisms have to experience the universe. Why shouldn't we try to enhance, enjoy, participate, improve for others and feel as much as possible? What does "meaning" have to do with it at all?

promitheas@programming.dev · 1 pts · 3d

Its not that we dont matter at all per se. Its a bit hard to put it into words what Im trying to say. Ill flip the question onto you: because we matter, regardless of how little or much, would you be willing to live for 500 years? What about 1000? Its kind of like were bartering over the number of years its acceptable (usually socially, because as you can see from this thread as soon as someone sais "actually i dont want a long life", others tend to not be able to comprehend why that would be) to want to live. My point is that mattering doesnt matter to me. We think we matter, but most people dont really. Most people dont even know or remember their great grandparents names. Thats just 2 generations removed, and unless they achieved something remotely special, they no longer exist.

Part of it of course is because of our deeply buried subconscious need to live, or rather avoid death, because ultimately we are animals and most of what we do just boils down to that. Thats the reason food tastes good - because if it didnt release happy chemicals in your brain, you would be less motivated to seek it out, and the species would not survive (same reason sex feels good btw, same reason most things feel good or bad). Once we evolved a modicum of intelligence beyond other creatures, this paralysing terror of the unknown of death spawned religion, early on as proto-religions and in more modern times as the religions we are familiar with today, but the long and short of it is that humans are hardwired to be terrified of death (at least their own) and attempt to prolong their life as much as possible - whether in this life or with some concept of an afterlife. Its the same reason without really understanding the mechanics behind your decision, you feel like you want to live longer, and the same reason I havent yet done a long jump with a short sudden stop. Its very difficult to reason yourself past your animalistic evolutionary instincts that have kept you and literally every single direct ancestor of yours alive, unless you have some kind of illness (of which I believe people who commit suicide suffer - its not really a choice made with a healthy mind, and we should be treating it more like an illness IMO so that we can help these people)

echo@lemmy.today · 0 pts · 4d (5 replies)

Regardless of the associated suffering you endure with aging, isn’t life still better than the empty dark void?

For many - no, absolutely not. For the billions of years that I didn't exist it didn't bother me in the slightest. Likewise, it shall not bother me when I no longer exist.

This fetish that one should wish to live in misery just to be alive makes absolutely no sense.

Return_of_Chippy@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 4d (4 replies)

We are just never gonna find common ground on this one bud.

echo@lemmy.today · -2 pts · 4d (3 replies)

Fortunately, there is no requirement that we find common ground. Whatever happens, happens.

I've shared what I think happens and why it doesn't matter. What do you think happens and why does it matter?

Return_of_Chippy@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 4d (2 replies)

Sounds like an intended "gotcha question". No thank you.

echo@lemmy.today · -2 pts · 4d

Not at all... just encouraging you to fully participate and share your thoughts. Otherwise, it just comes across as if you're trolling. Is that what you want?

Ziggurat@jlai.lu · 8 pts · 4d (2 replies)

In this society economy, people suffer until 30, starts to settle down at 40, so why would shy want to die before the best time of their life

beep@piefed.world · -10 pts · 4d (1 reply)

Even if you include economic wealth accumulated over life from working, you still are not accounting for health conditions which will take toll over last years mentally and financially.

I mean, personally I had seen people get more lonely, less independent and if they are still not working and don't have kids to support them then they are fucked, when they reach that age.

Unless you mean something beyond money, I believe you are completely wrong.

DMCMNFIBFFF@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 4d

I mean, personally I had seen people get more lonely, less independent and if they are still not working and don’t have kids to support them then they are fucked, when they reach that age.

Some people prefer to be alone.

How independent are we anyway?

They can be supported by the government and/or accumulated wealth.

wesker@lemmy.sdf.org · 8 pts · 4d

FOMO essentially.

grandel@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 4d

When you turn 49, remember to ask yourself how old you want to get.

bitteroldcoot@piefed.social · 6 pts · 4d (4 replies)

The fun answer is that you will find out when you get there. And what you find, will scare the crap out of you.

beep@piefed.world · -3 pts · 4d (3 replies)

...What is the answer bro?

bitteroldcoot@piefed.social · 6 pts · 4d (2 replies)

Nope. No point telling you. It's something you need to experience for yourself.

Any words I try and attach to it would be dismissed by you, right up till the moment decades from now when you will say "Oh shit!!!".

beep@piefed.world · -8 pts · 4d (1 reply)

Are you god himself? 🙄

Any concept can be expressed using words.

Which make me ask you to do just that.

It's not really that complex to drop being vague for no reason, and answer directly.

Otherwise, your words are equal to nothing because it doesn't express any ideas in the real world.

bitteroldcoot@piefed.social · 7 pts · 4d

No, all concept can't be expressed in words. How do you describe a sunset to a man who has been blind from birth.

How do you tell an alien in another solar system the difference between left and right.

kindnesskills@literature.cafe · 5 pts · 4d

The closer you get to 50, the less it will feel or sound like a long life.

Health problems starting to become more frequent is not the same as becoming suddenly and incurably frail and ill. I know multiple people who are much healthier at fifty than at thirty, because they found the drive and ability/access to take care of their health.

So many things can be better at fifty than at twenty or thirty. Why would you not want to live through those good years after struggling to get there? And even if it's not better, it's still good.

You can still learn to skateboard, just wear more protective gear and take some ibuprofen the next day. Doesn't mean skateboarding isn't fun or worth trying, or life not worth living.

You can still see friends and family, just have two beers instead of ten, or talk shit about your boss instead of your teacher, or go to a movie matinee instead of midnight showing. It's still fun and worth spending time with your loved ones, and life is still worth living.

Earthwormjim91@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 3d

I'm going to guess you're a child or something, because 50 is not old at all lmao.

Especially if you actually take care of yourself. If you eat right and stay active, barring genetic issues, you can generally expect to live well beyond that and have a high quality of life with fewer health issues.

A male that is 50 has a median expectancy of another 30 years of life. A female has a median of another 33.45 years.

I know plenty of healthy, active 50+ year olds.

kettuli@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 3d

Because you get to taste freedom only sometime after 70. Would kinda leave a sour taste in my mouth if I had to work for decades and then just boot myself out.

FluidBeef@quokk.au · 4 pts · 4d

That wouldn’t give me very long, mate!

Bebopalouie@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 3d

This ain’t Logan’s Run

Today@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 4d
  1. Every year (except the year i lost my mom) is my favorite year. I've worked hard and been frugal, to put away as much money as i could for retirement. I'm spending more time on enjoyable activities and giving less fucks about the assholes at work. My kids are grown and mostly self-sufficient, so they stop by or call (except for the one who doesn't talk to me) but don't live with me. My biggest worry right now (other than the general state of things in the world) is finding a dog sitter when i travel.
MrOtingocni@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 4d

How old are you?

echo@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 4d

I feel like 50 is a bit short... I estimate my life expectancy to be 75 and to generally be functional until almost the very end. Maybe I'll move the goal posts when I get closer, but right now I don't have any driving desire to live longer than that.

For the record, I'm 56 right now. I'm watching my young adult children figure out the world and get to help them along the way at times. It's also been in the last few years that I've reached a state of financial stability and even a bit of excess. I can now contribute to people and causes to make the world a slightly better place instead of just seeing all of the hurt/ills of the world and feeling like there is nothing I can do.

Health problems really are 'a thing'. If I get to a place where my life is just funneling all of my money to the healthcare complex then I will end it. I already don't choose to do colonoscopies and wouldn't choose to fight any cancer that isn't an easy fight.

Right now, I think that my quality of life and what I can contribute back to society are still both a net positive. When either of those dip negative and don't quickly recover, then I'm done.

credo@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 4d (3 replies)

Okay, the first recommendation I have for you is to evaluate yourself (or get evaluated) for signs of depression.

Next, ignoring religion.. and factoring in your use of the word “want,” there are only two reasons to exist:

  1. Procreation (kinda self-defining isn’t it?)
  2. Enjoyment

Most creatures live only for the first. Humans have a developed pre-frontal cortex. This means we live “for more.” What that is (following the famous wisdom of Curly from city slickers) is up to you.

So, if you think no one over 50 has anything to offer the next generation (wisdom?) or has the ability to simply enjoy existing, then I have concern for you. If you need someone to explain this, well, I pity you.

echo@lemmy.today · -1 pts · 4d (2 replies)

Procreation (kinda self-defining isn’t it?)

I have absolutely no idea why one would choose to procreate at age 50+. I was 32 when my youngest was born and I'm so thankful that I don't have any truly young children while I'm in my 50s. Procreation at older ages is both foolish and selfish.

Enjoyment

What if it's not enjoyable? For many it's not even a question of mental health. It's truly just that life sucks and there is no practical expectation that it's going to change. We should quit vilifying such people. Either change the system so they can have enjoyment or let them end it instead of adding to their misery for saying that they should seek help that they can't even access. None of us should be in full on enjoyment mode as long as we continue to allow the system to exist that creates this situation for so many.

no one over 50 has anything to offer the next generation (wisdom?)

While wisdom is something that more people should listen to, age alone is no determination of whether someone is wise or just an old fool. As such, it's really not a particularly valid answer to the original question.

I have concern for you. If you need someone to explain this, well, I pity you.

glass houses, stones, blah, blah...

credo@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 4d (1 reply)

Perhaps you should reread my response more fully.

I don’t really respond to nonsensical commentary. E.g. your claim that suggesting someone may be experiencing depression is “vilifying” them. Or introducing the topic of people procreating after 50. Not what I said at all.

echo@lemmy.today · -2 pts · 4d

I pity you.

Save your pity for yourself, fool.

tigermountain@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 3d

When you turn 49 you'll know exactly why.

HeyJoe@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 3d

As someone close enough to 50 this would really freak me out if that was actually a thing. Personally I wouldnt even agree that 50 is that old either. Also what your saying is that basically nobody would have their parents in the later years of their life, hell the way times are changing i know a lot of people who have had kids over 35 so your saying their kids will lose their parents when they are like 10 years old. I still have my grandmother and its still amazing to see my parents, their siblings, and my grandmother which by your question would all be long dead. Also fyi none of them have anything awful health related yet either, hell my 87 year old grandmother still drinks some beers with us when we get together and loves a good IPA or stout.

Considering my life stopped getting better at 25 and I am in a financial mess right now, i am totally looking forward to retirement and my 60s to enjoy the last years of living and to finally stop working for the first time in my life since ive been 15... im looking forward to that.

SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 3d

especially since health problems start becoming more frequent around that age.

Maybe in the US, but not the rest of the world. Americans need to travel abroad to understand just how sick they are as a group. They are popping pills for everything instead of addressing the cause of disease. Also, not all of us are idiots who believe in religion. Once you're dead, you're dead.

FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 3d

Because many people have a desire to live as long as they can

DMCMNFIBFFF@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 4d

As one over 50, death, such as by suicide, is (FAIK) irreversible.

The living can choose death, but the dead can't choose life: they can choose nothing.

While I don't have the vigour when I was, say, in my 20s, I still feel (at times at least) vigourous.

Ditto strength.

I might be mentally better, and such might last for a decade or 2.

Technology has gotten better. For example, there was a time when I was over 18 that I couldn't post stuff like this on the internet, yet here I am making posts.

A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 3d

I wish I hadnt made it past 20, who the fuck wants to live past 50?

CathyBikesBook@piefed.zip · 0 pts · 4d (1 reply)

Its not that they want to, its just that they havent died yet.

DMCMNFIBFFF@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 4d

If someone doesn't commit suicide, it might mean that wt:thon wants to live.