Isn't this what Apple has been doing for decades now? Wait until tech stabilizes and doing it right? It tried to really innovate with the AR/VR headset and it flopped.
I don't think they wait till smartphone and smart tablet are stabilised, when they do iphone and ipad, their competitors are still fumbling around with the tech but they somehow make it right. When they do vision pro the same thing is happening, their competitor(google glass, microsoft hololens) is still fumbling around with the tech, but this time they overestimated their own capability and also the demand of this thing.
They released iphone after many competitors had half baked products in the market. Using capacitive touch with gestures like pinch zoom was absolutely brilliant.
For tablets, they waited until Microsoft's attempt at tablet computers failed, and then they gave their own twist. I guess there was a time they actively learned from their competitors' successes and mistakes.
Oh man, that brings back memories. I had to work with a first generation HP tablet because my company wanted to ride the hype by supporting “the greatest thing ever”. It was so painful to use
That experience soured me on tablets until my family somehow managed to get an iPad mini on a give away and it was a world of difference
Apple actually claims to have developed the iPad before the iPhone, but the tech was moving fast enough to miniaturize it and release the phone first, I think mostly because everyone had been begging for an iPod-phone for years at that point.
They’d also been improving track pad and OS for years before the iPhone released. Bit to mention the Newton, which failed pretty fast.
You already had Blackberry, Symbian and Maemo before iPhone. Blackberry showed you can make a phone that's a productivity device. Symbian showed you can create ecosystem of apps. Maemo and others showed you can have touch based interface. Those were all stable, popular products (maybe Maemo was more niche but N900 was a fully capable mobile phone).
Honestly, blackberry did productivity better than apple ever did, but blackberry was "too" secure and apple marketing was just too much for people to get past.
BlackBerry also lost because of the ecosystem, the App Store had so much more to offer than BlackBerry did. Also BlackBerry stuck to their physical keyboard, which in hindsight was a bad idea.
Are you kidding? I would kill for modern phone with Blackberry keyboard. I mean there are couple of nice options now but nothing works with deGoogled OSes and I'm definitely not going back to stock Android... But I loved all BB phones, even the Android ones. The keyboards worked great and had sooo many great features. They had some models without keyboard but they just were not able to compete in Android market.
Can you say a little about basic usability? It seems like the outside screen wouldn’t do anything my watch doesn’t already do: the inside screen requires the extra maneuvering of opening it then using two hands
Maybe if I wasn’t already sold on a watch and a tablet, but I have a hard time seeing where this form factor adds anything
I've seen a few but it were never the type of people i expected. It weren't nerds or techies or dudes with expensive cars, it was middle-aged women with presumably fake designer bags. Still haven't figuresd out if these are the only people buying foldable phones or I am just not in an area that is representative of their typical buyers. At first I thought they were hand me downs from their husbands, but then I'd have seen at some point a man that might be said husband with one.
You need to see more people in your day to day life, then. I saw a lady on the subway that had a rectangular smart phone that folded in half to be a little square to stow in her purse.
Also, one of my friends has a fold out phablet for gaming.
The fact that I noticed and remembered both instances shows that phone makers have been doing a good job of inventing interesting and innovative hardware. The fact that there are only two instances for me to remember speaks to the fact that they have not been as successful at actually getting people to buy them.
I don't care a lick who was first, I'm a late adopter of all tech, but it is annoying when Apple users tout new features as if they're the first to experience them. It's the condescension that's annoying, especially when it's so misplaced
How often is that, really? Seems like more of a meme than anything else. I use their products, and prefer their UI. Is it perfect? Obviously not. But I do enjoy the vertical integration. Handoff just works™. iMessage works well, etc.
There are plenty of features that Android does better, and plenty that it does not. The haters are going to hate regardless.
I think more often than not it's more important to be early rather than being exactly the first. Unless you patent it in a way that makes it extremely hard to copy but software doesn't really work that way a lot of times. Being first barely seems to give you any advantage long term. You just want to be early enough before the network effect takes hold, for example.
I really do find it funny that I never see memes or comments making fun of any other company relating to phones.
Don’t get me wrong. I have had android phones, windows phones, and even PalmOS phones. I know Apple is always behind the times, their comment about copy and paste needing to be perfect before release drove me up a wall. If I remember correctly, it was a jailbreak developer that made copy and paste available on the iPhone a few years before officially being released.
However, I never see people make fun of other companies after they announce a new release. Yall must really hate Apple.
You forgot the number 1 selling in China which is the Xiaomi fold. Currently in its 5th generation.
I keep forgetting that most of the world is limited between Apple and Samsung. Strange that the so called 'beacon of freedom and democracy' has a whole lot less choice in basically anything like technology, EV's, than the dictatoriaal, socialist nightmare: China. Apple is not even in the top 5 of best selling phones.
Most of the Chinese phones don't ever make it out of China. For all the negativity in this thread, you see a lot of people using foldables in China.
The latest Xiaomi fold 18, released last week, cost €1450.
48 Comments
bdonvr@thelemmy.club · 56 pts · 17h
Everyone's forgetting the true OG: The humble Royole Flexpai
(It was a total piece of shit)
resipsaloquitur@lemmy.cafe · 32 pts · 17h
Given that foldables are 2% of the market, I’m not sure the fact that there are a half dozen (or more) out there already is the flex you think it is.
Zarobi@aussie.zone · 9 pts · 13h
A$3,500 is crazy
SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.social · 7 pts · 8h
Geez that’s basically the GDP of Australia.
resipsaloquitur@lemmy.cafe · 1 pts · 4h
Is it any more crazy than spending the same for a Samsung Galaxy Z Fold 8?
https://fossbytes.com/apple-iphone-duo-vs-galaxy-z-fold-8-comparison/
AA5B@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 2h
Both sides the same - crazy to spend that much on a phone, especially when the distinction is “more to go wrong”
ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net · 32 pts · 12h
Isn't this what Apple has been doing for decades now? Wait until tech stabilizes and doing it right? It tried to really innovate with the AR/VR headset and it flopped.
Airfried@piefed.social · 19 pts · 6h
Yeah but they stopped being consistent with the "doing it right" part a long time ago.
Hueristic_Autistic@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 7h
people drove with those 🙄
postmateDumbass@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 2h
But wrapping everything in a proprietary fence (special connectors, blocked rms bridge, etc) is the very essence of the problem.
psx_crab@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 12h
I don't think they wait till smartphone and smart tablet are stabilised, when they do iphone and ipad, their competitors are still fumbling around with the tech but they somehow make it right. When they do vision pro the same thing is happening, their competitor(google glass, microsoft hololens) is still fumbling around with the tech, but this time they overestimated their own capability and also the demand of this thing.
hayvan@piefed.world · 17 pts · 12h
They released iphone after many competitors had half baked products in the market. Using capacitive touch with gestures like pinch zoom was absolutely brilliant.
For tablets, they waited until Microsoft's attempt at tablet computers failed, and then they gave their own twist. I guess there was a time they actively learned from their competitors' successes and mistakes.
huppakee@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 4h
They already had a superior trackpad on MacBooks, so this is an example of them being a first mover- nobody had combined those two technologies.
AA5B@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 2h
Oh man, that brings back memories. I had to work with a first generation HP tablet because my company wanted to ride the hype by supporting “the greatest thing ever”. It was so painful to use
That experience soured me on tablets until my family somehow managed to get an iPad mini on a give away and it was a world of difference
nilloc@discuss.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 3h
Apple actually claims to have developed the iPad before the iPhone, but the tech was moving fast enough to miniaturize it and release the phone first, I think mostly because everyone had been begging for an iPod-phone for years at that point.
They’d also been improving track pad and OS for years before the iPhone released. Bit to mention the Newton, which failed pretty fast.
ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net · 6 pts · 4h
You already had Blackberry, Symbian and Maemo before iPhone. Blackberry showed you can make a phone that's a productivity device. Symbian showed you can create ecosystem of apps. Maemo and others showed you can have touch based interface. Those were all stable, popular products (maybe Maemo was more niche but N900 was a fully capable mobile phone).
BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 4h
Honestly, blackberry did productivity better than apple ever did, but blackberry was "too" secure and apple marketing was just too much for people to get past.
huppakee@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 4h
BlackBerry also lost because of the ecosystem, the App Store had so much more to offer than BlackBerry did. Also BlackBerry stuck to their physical keyboard, which in hindsight was a bad idea.
ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net · 2 pts · 2h
Are you kidding? I would kill for modern phone with Blackberry keyboard. I mean there are couple of nice options now but nothing works with deGoogled OSes and I'm definitely not going back to stock Android... But I loved all BB phones, even the Android ones. The keyboards worked great and had sooo many great features. They had some models without keyboard but they just were not able to compete in Android market.
baggachipz@sh.itjust.works · 21 pts · 14h
True, and nobody wants any of them
Cris_Citrus@piefed.zip · 4 pts · 11h
I see people using them with some regularity 🤷🏻♂️ not for me though.
glarf@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 7h
Speak for yourself, two time owner, they're very nice.
AA5B@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 2h
Can you say a little about basic usability? It seems like the outside screen wouldn’t do anything my watch doesn’t already do: the inside screen requires the extra maneuvering of opening it then using two hands
Maybe if I wasn’t already sold on a watch and a tablet, but I have a hard time seeing where this form factor adds anything
wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 10h
Pixel 10 Fold owner checking in 👋
Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 7m
It's the price tag, and the fact unfolded they are using a giant squarish format.
Bring me back to the old 16:9 formats, instead. That made sense. You could watch movies, shows, and videos full-screen.
StillAlive@piefed.world · 17 pts · 13h
And all of them start showing crease on the folding line after a few weeks or months.
ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net · 4 pts · 12h
Really? I thought it's visible from day 1.
StillAlive@piefed.world · 8 pts · 9h
Some recent models are better at not showing it. But sooner or later it becomes noticeable.
glarf@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 7h
So what, as a daily user you don't even notice it when using the device yourself. The engineers did think of the user experience and it's quite good.
kurmudgeon@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 4h
If I had $1 for every time I've personally seen a folding phone in the wild, I'd still have $0.
huppakee@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 4h
I've seen a few but it were never the type of people i expected. It weren't nerds or techies or dudes with expensive cars, it was middle-aged women with presumably fake designer bags. Still haven't figuresd out if these are the only people buying foldable phones or I am just not in an area that is representative of their typical buyers. At first I thought they were hand me downs from their husbands, but then I'd have seen at some point a man that might be said husband with one.
FlyingCrow@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 4h
I might have about $15
TAG@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 2h
You need to see more people in your day to day life, then. I saw a lady on the subway that had a rectangular smart phone that folded in half to be a little square to stow in her purse.
Also, one of my friends has a fold out phablet for gaming.
The fact that I noticed and remembered both instances shows that phone makers have been doing a good job of inventing interesting and innovative hardware. The fact that there are only two instances for me to remember speaks to the fact that they have not been as successful at actually getting people to buy them.
redkid1324@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 2h
I've seen a few and they were all in on it and loved it.
SayJess@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 9 pts · 13h
Who cares who got to market first?
ChexMax@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 6h
I don't care a lick who was first, I'm a late adopter of all tech, but it is annoying when Apple users tout new features as if they're the first to experience them. It's the condescension that's annoying, especially when it's so misplaced
SayJess@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 4h
How often is that, really? Seems like more of a meme than anything else. I use their products, and prefer their UI. Is it perfect? Obviously not. But I do enjoy the vertical integration. Handoff just works™. iMessage works well, etc.
There are plenty of features that Android does better, and plenty that it does not. The haters are going to hate regardless.
This meme isn’t the burn that OP thinks it is.
surewhynotlem@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 7h
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-mover_advantage
But apple is quite good at showing up late and getting market share anyway.
SayJess@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 4h
Sure. It is known that Apple shows up late. Users keep buying their products, so they must be doing something right. 🤷🏻♀️
Airfried@piefed.social · 2 pts · 6h
I think more often than not it's more important to be early rather than being exactly the first. Unless you patent it in a way that makes it extremely hard to copy but software doesn't really work that way a lot of times. Being first barely seems to give you any advantage long term. You just want to be early enough before the network effect takes hold, for example.
hayvan@piefed.world · 4 pts · 12h
Why bother when fans happily live a decade in the past?
Man I wish it was 2016.
SourDragon@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 3h
I would love to go back to July 15, 2016 because that's the day I got married 💖
My spouse and I are both still happily married, but to experience the joy of that day again
hayvan@piefed.world · 2 pts · 2h
Aww <3
irish_link@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 2h
I really do find it funny that I never see memes or comments making fun of any other company relating to phones.
Don’t get me wrong. I have had android phones, windows phones, and even PalmOS phones. I know Apple is always behind the times, their comment about copy and paste needing to be perfect before release drove me up a wall. If I remember correctly, it was a jailbreak developer that made copy and paste available on the iPhone a few years before officially being released.
However, I never see people make fun of other companies after they announce a new release. Yall must really hate Apple.
stumu415@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 2h
You forgot the number 1 selling in China which is the Xiaomi fold. Currently in its 5th generation. I keep forgetting that most of the world is limited between Apple and Samsung. Strange that the so called 'beacon of freedom and democracy' has a whole lot less choice in basically anything like technology, EV's, than the dictatoriaal, socialist nightmare: China. Apple is not even in the top 5 of best selling phones.
Most of the Chinese phones don't ever make it out of China. For all the negativity in this thread, you see a lot of people using foldables in China. The latest Xiaomi fold 18, released last week, cost €1450.
Hueristic_Autistic@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 7h
why isn't doogee or realme there?
Hueristic_Autistic@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 7h
aren't apple hard drives are made by samsung?
huppakee@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 4h
Screens too. But they are designed by Apple, so they are not literally the same. But Apple is obviously not inventing anything new.