Kamala Harris is to campaign in Michigan with Abdul El-Sayed
https://apnews.com/article/elsayed-kamala-harris-michigan-senate-52f04f16a2d7aa6002df684c1e8aea29
https://apnews.com/article/elsayed-kamala-harris-michigan-senate-52f04f16a2d7aa6002df684c1e8aea29
180 Comments
Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works · 87 pts · 8d
Please just go away already.
Fuck
REDACTED@infosec.pub · -6 pts · 8d
Yes, let's send away every popular democrat, why even bother winning over Trump, even if the other option isn't ideal
cattywampas@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 8d
So popular she was like the first one to drop out of the 2020 primary.
Objection@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 7d
Also so popular she suffered the worst electoral defeat since California went Republican.
Natanael@infosec.pub · -6 pts · 8d
You're learning the wrong thing
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/sep/30/harris-trump-economic-proposals-poll
https://www.levyinstitute.org/publications/trump-wins-while-americans-vote-for-progressive-policies/
This was not a loss on policy. This was not a loss on ideas.
This was a propaganda war, people were lead to fear the Democratic party and were convinced Trump was a good businessman.
People said they voted for Trump due to the economy, while every economic policy they liked when presented it without a name attached came from Kamala. They HATED Trump's ideas when his name wasn't attached.
Stop teaching yourself the wrong lesson. Get prepared to fight the propaganda, don't join the infighting.
rumimevlevi@sh.itjust.works · 23 pts · 8d
Policies are meanignless if you are bad are presenting them or people do not trust that you will accomplish them
DillDough@lemmy.zip · -6 pts · 8d
Listen to her speak, she is actually really good at presenting her policies, the issue is nobody will pay attention to her and she won't lie to get the attention she feels she needs like Vance has stated he does. Remember during the 2024 election cycle when she literally had to chase down reporters? There are endless examples of her walking up to the press and trying to discuss policy just for them to shut her down without a chance to speak... meanwhile those exact same people were doing anything to be the 9 trillionth person to report on whatever nonsensical blatant lies and hate were spilling out of Trump's mouth at the time.
And all of that aside...how in the fuck are you going to claim somebody lost to Trump because they were bad at presenting policy? Trump has the poorest speaking abilities of anybody in the entire history of US politics, same with his displayed understanding of policies, laws, governmental structure, constitutional framework, etc. He is literally the absolute worst we've ever had at all of the things you say are the reasons the other side lost.
kreskin@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 7d
yes, when we she get the credit she deserves for being such a great communicator?
Kamala Harris on geography: So, Ukraine is a country in Europe. It exists next to another country called Russia. Russia is a bigger country. Russia is a powerful country. Russia decided to invade a smaller country called Ukraine. So, basically, that’s wrong, and it goes against everything that we stand for.
on community banks: We invested an additional $12 billion into community banks, because we know community banks are in the community, and understand the needs and desires of that community as well as the talent and capacity of community.
on the pandemic: We also recognize just as it has been in the United States, for Jamaica, one of the issues that has been presented as an issue that is economic in the way of its impact has been the pandemic.
on Roe v. Wade: I think that, to be very honest with you, I do believe that we should have rightly believed, but we certainly believe that certain issues are just settled. Certain issues are just settled.
on the 50th anniversary of Roe v. Wade: I think of this moment as a moment that is about great momentum.
on a mass shooting in Highland Park, Illinois: We’ve got to take this stuff seriously, as seriously as you are because you have been forced to take this seriously.
on space exploration: It is critical that we… partner to ensure that we are speaking the same language with the same motivation, inspired by the opportunity of it all, but then doing the work of updating how we have been talking and thinking about our exploration in space.
on transportation: Together, we are expanding access to transportation. It seems like maybe it’s a small issue; it’s a big issue. You need to get to go and need to be able to get where you need to go to do the work and get home. Kamala Harris on the record flow of illegal immigrants crossing the border We have a secure border in that that is a priority for any nation including ours in our administration.
Harris on water policy: We have long — and Wade and I worked together for years back in San Francisco — talked about the importance of taking seriously the urgency of this moment and, in particular, in dealing with the various issues that are present when we look at the climate crisis, thinking about water policy, diversifying water policy, understanding that we must have the ability to diversify our approach and our — and the resources to everything from what we do in terms of conservation to recycling, desalination, and storage of water.
I'm inspired. Arent you inspired? I mean, she is the one person who could continue Bidens oratory legacy, but we passed her by because of the trivial issue that she wouldn't oppose genocide. Thats just unfair, right. Clearly this is 100% the media's fault. It cant be that the Dem elite ran an incoherent loser who was out of touch with what Dem voters cared about. Lets run her again in 2028.
/s
rumimevlevi@sh.itjust.works · -2 pts · 8d
I will not waste my time with a cultist
DillDough@lemmy.zip · -1 pts · 8d
What cult am I in? I've spent my entire life advocating for human and worker rights against both parties and every organization in the US government. I've been personally blocked by countless US reps and law enforcement organizations across the country.
You were literally arguing antithetical statements and jumped to baseless name calling when you were called on it. You can't claim somebody lost to Trump over their ability to discuss policy when Trump himself is the de facto worst policy speaker in the entire history of the country, dude even routinely shits on his own policies and verbatim states that whoever signed them in is the worst president ever...while taking credit for the things democrats passed after he shit talked it while it was up for debate.
Are you sure you aren't in a cult? Right wing authoritarianism is just as popular in Europe as it is in the US, how are you making sure you aren't being misled into believing contradictory things...like the statements you made here.
story@lemmy.zip · 0 pts · 7d
you are called a Democrat, shouldn't you believe in some sort of inherent sacredness of popularity? why champion the verifiably least popular known Democrat?
DillDough@lemmy.zip · 0 pts · 7d
Not a Democrat. And if I believed in some "sacredness of popularity" I would be defending Trump...like you keep doing.
Are you positive you are not in cult yourself?
Wataba@sh.itjust.works · -33 pts · 8d
The same to people Iike you honestly. Green MAGA fuckwits.
Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works · 22 pts · 8d
… what? Well that’s new one
YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 8d
It's common protest non-voter terminology.
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world · 83 pts · 8d
Why? Does he want to lose?
newthrowaway20@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 8d
jimmy90@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 7d
this can only be fixed with a 3 hour special on the young turks
obviously
Natanael@infosec.pub · 0 pts · 8d
https://infosec.pub/comment/23712904
Trump's policies were all unpopular and people hated his ideas.
He won because media told people the Democrat's good ideas were his and that only be could be trusted to implement them, and too many believed it. He copied promises from Kamala outright and media only reported on his statements and not hers.
People LIKED the Democrat campaign plan. They were simply convinced to not trust it by propaganda.
schnapsman@feddit.org · 6 pts · 8d
Sure, but justified or not, the personality behind the policies is very important to most ppl. She was the least popular candidate in the primaries. She ran a presumptuous half-assed victory lap campaign. She ran to the center and proposed nothing new or inspiring. She avoided difficult topics and fumbled when confronted with them. So, her policies were mostly fine (except of course that big one), but people maybe don't want a non-leader type former cop to spearhead those policies.
zbyte64@awful.systems · 4 pts · 7d
I mean it doesn't help she went republican lite on immigration.
Natanael@infosec.pub · -1 pts · 7d
Yeah, that and dropping "weird" was stupid things they trusted the political consultant class on... They certainly didn't run a perfect campaign, but people act like it wasn't the propaganda that made a difference
zbyte64@awful.systems · 2 pts · 7d
Many things can be true and to blame. I just want dems to stop giving fuel to right wing propaganda by accepting the framing of said propagandists.
lIlIlIlIlIlIl@lemmy.world · 42 pts · 8d
Could she… not?
Amuro_eat@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 35 pts · 8d
Are they doing that thing that parents do to try and get their kids to stop doing something by showing interest in it?
criscodisco@lemmy.world · 35 pts · 8d
I guess Third Way is sending in their nuke.
Archangel1313@lemmy.ca · 22 pts · 8d
Ooh. This is probably not a good idea. She's toxic as fuck.
anarchy79@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 7d
Can you explain what you mean by that? Toxic? How?
Archangel1313@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 7d
Most progressives see her as something of an opportunistic, establishment puppet. She was chosen to be Biden's VP, in order to pander to the black / Latino vote, and specifically because she lacked the moral core to oppose the establishment in any meaningful way.
Her presence may be viewed as the DNC either trying to co-opt El-Sayed's campaign and steer it towards the establishment's goals...or that it was all astroturf from the beginning, and shouldn't be trusted.
anarchy79@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 6d
Huh, good answer. I get what you're saying.
kreskin@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 8d
Why would El-Syaed agree to such a thing.
florencia@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 11 pts · 8d
From NBC:
zbyte64@awful.systems · 2 pts · 7d
Okay, that is actually on brand for him. Glad to see it isn't because of her foreign policy
hoppeduponcoffee@lemmy.zip · 9 pts · 8d
I share your sentiment to a degree. However, Kamala remains popular with centrist liberal voters who are still sore she lost the 2024 election. Having her endorse El-Sayed on his campaign trail could entice voters who see him as “extreme.”
At this point, he needs every last vote he can conjure. It’s politics in 2026. Such is the state of a corrupt, two-party, winner-take-all electoral system.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · -5 pts · 7d
He's a landlord, dude.
3abas@lemmy.world · -13 pts · 7d
We've been calling him a liberal Zionist for a while now, well the you go directly partnering with the genocide committers to absolve them off accountability and normalize "we're against killing, on both sides" and "two state solution" bullshit.
Hope it brings him down and teaches others a lesson.
nullspace@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 7d
Who the fuck is the "we" you speak for in your insane purity test?
dreamy@lemmy.ml · -1 pts · 7d
Purity testing is when you check if somebody supports settler colonialism, as everyone knows.
nullspace@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 7d
And he has openly criticized the genocide, but because he didn't also do a backflip while doing so apparently he needs to fall so a Republican can take his seat.
dreamy@lemmy.ml · -1 pts · 7d
This is exactly fucking it. You hear "Gaza genocide real" in the year of 2026 and you immediately start soyfacing because of it. Get a fucking grip.
Has your favourite Dubai landlord made 1 (one) anti-Zionist (not liberal Zionist) statement yet? Or is he too busy collaborating with the main genocidaires while not doing the bare minimum (what you call a "backflip" for fucks sake).
nullspace@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 7d
I'm just gonna highlight that and walk away with a W.
dreamy@lemmy.ml · -1 pts · 7d
Roflmao, you deny THAT? 🤣
Edit: For anybody who's not a cowardly little removed: https://freebeacon.com/democrats/abdul-el-sayed-discloses-rental-property-in-dubai-and-outstanding-debt-to-luxury-developer-behind-resort-style-community/
3abas@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 7d
It's always good when people like you out themselves, that you consider opposition to genocide, apartheid, and occupation an "insane purity test".
anarchy79@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 7d
"If you don't agree with every single word I say exactly like I say it you are a right wing extremist and a literal nazi.
Now if you don't mind I need to inform the mailing list that you and everyone you associate with have been canceled."
3abas@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 6d
They literally killed over 50,000 people while gaslighting us about it, blaming Hamas at every turn, refused to even talk about the topic on three campaign except for calling for the deadliest military, defending Israel's non-existent "right to exist", and saying she can't think of a single thing she would have done differently than Biden.
Or as you put it, "don't agree with ever single word I far exactly like I say it".
What you're doing is genocide denial. You're minimizing and flat out denying her involvement in the genocide, and trying to twist reality and convince others that our issue with her is over disagreement on words.
AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 6d
Disingenuous. Life's not that black and white, especially in politics. Someone can be against those things, and still have voted for Kamala because it was the best option available.
3abas@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 6d
You cannot be against genocide and vote for the person saying they will continue it. You're disingenuous. This was Biden's genocide and Kamala said there's not one thing she'd have done different.
AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 6d
Oh, so you're saying we should have voted for Donald Trump? Thats what youre arguing for right now? Please elaborate on that. Or should we just not have voted at all? Which, by the way, still results in Donald Trump becoming president.
I cannot see any way that voting for Trump would have been the "correct" thing to do.
kreskin@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 7d
ah, thanks. Was not aware of this.
tigermountain@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 7d
Of course the democrats are stupid enough to bring Kamala Harris back into play.
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 6d
Hey, shes still fresh off fucking up the last election. She still has plenty of get up and go for fucking up this one.
goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org · 1 pts · 7d
I'm sure we're not far from them bringing the Clinton's back as well
tigermountain@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 7d
I'd take Hillary over Harris any day.
anarchy79@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 7d
Why?
tigermountain@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 7d
I've never seen Kamala show the level of intelligence, gravitas, or understanding of world events that Hillary has.
anarchy79@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 6d
I think I honestly replied to the wrong person, because I agree with you 100%.
She's a statesman with enormous experience and political clout (at least had) with a solid ideological foundation in and conviction of democracy and rule of law. These days that goes a long fucking way. What they did to her is probably only eclipsed to what they did to Monica Lewinsky. They just demonize people relentlessly until they become a persona non grata in anyone's mind- just look at everyone even in this thread shitting on her, they've been swept up in the same propaganda dragnet as the right, they start repeating right wing propaganda talking points yet would be incapable of mentioning a single thing she did politically or any of her propositions.
Is she flawless? Lol no.
Is "flawless" something we expect from leadership? Lol YES!
And if they aren't flawless, then they are just as bad as the bottom of the barrel, therefore it makes sense to vote for the bottom of the barrel instead.
¯\(ツ)/¯
goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org · 0 pts · 7d
In what context? Both are poisonous to any campaign.
Hiliary has experience in office but is very much a warmonger and happy to attack populations campaigns in Detroit need to attract.
If in terms of being in office she'd fit more in the GOP with what she campaigned on in her presidential runs.
impairedimperator@lemmy.zip · -1 pts · 6d
Nah, Hillary is a bad choice because the GOP has been working on anti-hillary messaging since the 90s.
If she got the job, she'd probably be one of the best presidents in US history.
goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org · 0 pts · 5d
GOP went after her terrible personality no politics. They only hate her because she runs as a democrat not a republican. See trump. Who again started being popular again because of Hilarys birther attacks on Obama
harrys_balzac@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 19 pts · 8d
She's going to run in 2028, isn't she? She's trying to ride his coattails.
MrTrono@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 8d
🤮
Ironfist79@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 7d
I'd prefer if she stayed away.
SirEDCaLot@lemmy.today · 6 pts · 6d
everyone would prefer if she stayed away. However the DNC is probably going to push her again as they consider her the 'safe' candidate who is not going to upset their donors or push any sort of real change like people want.
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 6d
I.E. the candidate that will lose, but they can shrug their shouldres and go "but we twied"
SirEDCaLot@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 6d
Pretty much. After all these are insane times, Trump presents the greatest threat to democracy we've ever seen! Donate now to save the American way of life from fascism!
crowcore_explorer@piefed.blahaj.zone · 12 pts · 8d
a lot of shitty dems have turned coat and said they'll support rogers. i suspect this is an attempt to get them back. I hate it, but that's the best reason I can come up with.
Godric@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 8d
Who?
bobbyfiend@retrolemmy.com · 9 pts · 7d
"Please forget about me throwing Gaza under the bus a couple of years ago. It's a two-party system!"
And, sadly, that's accurate. It pisses me off that there has been no accountability for this, but she is still head and shoulders above anything smelling like MAGA.
anarchy79@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 7d
Kamala single handedly invaded Gaza and murdered babies with her bare hands.
Jesus christ MAGA isn't even the biggest threat to the left, it's the single issue leftists.
MJKee9@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 8d
El-Sayed needs black women to vote. Kamala is a poor substitute for Obama, but she'll do folks.
If you only invite your friends to the party, you limit the number of new friends you can make. Sometimes you invite that annoying guy with the hot sister.
VM_Abrantes@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 8d
CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 8d
Oh, FFS, I hope she doesn't run again. JFC.
godsammitdam@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 8d
Looking to witewash herself.
Don't fall for when centrists learn to speak our language as it becomes popular.
Microtonal_Banana@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 6d
So is she pretending to move left or is El Sayed going to make a pivot to the status quo?
inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 7d
I think this is one of those necessary evil type of things.
He's very vulnerable with centrists, because they suck and don't think blue no matter who applies to them, apaic is spending on Rogers, and the Democratic Jewish community is fundraising for his Republican opponent.
Like it or not, unity will be important to him if he wants to win and help enact progressive policies.
Plus if he's talking about black healthcare, to black women, she's as good as any right now outside of Jocelyn Elders.
Of course of she had any wits about her she'd use this setting to also apologize for her snub of the Muslim community.
JustPlainDave@lemmy.zip · -1 pts · 8d
Why are so many people upset she's campaigning with him? A former vice president and presidential candidate campaigning with him might get the centrists to vote for him.
Edit: It appears some people just want an excuse not to vote.
the_q@piefed.social · 17 pts · 8d
Because she represents the return to the status quo of Democratic leadership where the people once again exist below corporations.
spongebue@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 8d
She lost Michigan. Why would her advocating be of any value?
Maggoty@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 8d
She lost Michigan left, not the moderates. In this case this isn't going to hurt him on the left unless he changes his message. But she can show the moderates that he isn't radioactive. It's also worth remembering that she never got to run her own campaign, the corporate wing of the democratic party basically used her as a face.
antifa_ceo@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 8d
That's now how elections work lol Kamala Harris is despised across the board as an uncharismatic wet blanket of a candidate who is violently in favor of supporting genocide to the point of lying to the general public.
JustPlainDave@lemmy.zip · -1 pts · 8d
"Violently in favor of supporting genocide".
Didn't she support the two state solution?
If her support of El-Sayed is enough to make you not vote for him you were never going to vote in the first place so why lie about it?
ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 8d
Pro-Israel candidates are a hard no. Fuck every single one. I'll write in someone else's name on the ballot.
antifa_ceo@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 8d
The down votes on this are wild. We got some liberal Zionists in here who want to hug and kiss Israel still.
JustPlainDave@lemmy.zip · -4 pts · 8d
Or maybe, just maybe, there's some people smart enough to see through y'all's hyperbolic bullshit.
JustPlainDave@lemmy.zip · -1 pts · 8d
When has El-Sayed said he's pro-Israel?
antifa_ceo@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 8d
You are being willfully obtuse here. He is campaigning with Kamala Harris who continues to be am advocate for unfettered arms sales to Israel. Like the 40000 tons of weapons we just sold them.
ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 0 pts · 3d
Kamala is an Israel supporter. That part of how Trump won the elections. Muslims in Michigan IIRC. If Kamala wasn't a bibi bootlicker, Cheeto Hitler would not be fucking the world up right now.
antifa_ceo@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 8d
The two state solution is what we currently have. The only path forward with apartheid like we have in Israel is to follow the model of South Africa and democratically form a single state that represents all.
I do not support two staters. They are just supporting Israel's illegal existence and will never support the Palestinians they disdain with all their heart.
JustPlainDave@lemmy.zip · -2 pts · 8d
That's an awful lot of words for "I'll let the fascists have it instead of voting for the obviously better candidate."
How's Palestine doing with Trump in the white house?
antifa_ceo@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 8d
About the same as it was doing when Biden was president. You do understand both sides of our last election were on the same side of this issue right? And how our government lied about it for almost a year before Trump took over?
Why are you so excited about Palestinians being genocides? Y'all libs always talk about this with such glee.
A one state solution is the only path forward where Israel is dismantled a new state it formed that democratically represents all people. Anything short of that will just reproduce the conditions we have today (that you seem to like)
NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io · 1 pts · 8d
I wouldn't be so sure. Self-proclaimed moderates in America tend to want stuff like universal healthcare, better public transport and taxes on the rich, and the median American voter hates Israel now. My impression is that actual moderates (the people that would be legitimately represented by Hakeem Jeffries or Kamala Harris) are very fortunately no longer a significant voter bloc, if they ever were. I won't deny the potential benefits of name recognition, but on the other hand we can't forget about all the Michigan Arabs who rightly hate Harris's guts.
Maggoty@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 8d
They think she actually campaigned on supporting Israel b/c that's what the take away of her not really taking a side was. Her participation isn't going to scare off his left base.
ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 8d
She's an Israel supporter. Fuck that!
JustPlainDave@lemmy.zip · 0 pts · 8d
And? She's not running in the election.
NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io · 1 pts · 8d
Harris is toxic to critical demographics (including all those Arabs whose families and friends she campaigned on murdering) who are more important to the race than hypothetical centrists. We already know her track record with Michigan in any case.
JustPlainDave@lemmy.zip · -3 pts · 8d
You mean the ones currently being murdered by a Republican led government?
NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io · 5 pts · 8d
Yes, exactly them. Somehow I just know your average Arab can hate two groups of people at once.
JustPlainDave@lemmy.zip · -2 pts · 8d
Except that anyone with half a brain knows that a Harris administration would have been much better for everyone, including Palestine. So I can only assume you love how the acceleration of the genocide in Palestine on top of now having our own gestapo pulling innocent people off the streets to ship them God knows where while killing protesters on top of a war in Iran. Congratulations.
dreamy@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 7d
How would it have been better? Like, you dipshits know that Israel bombed every single school and hospital, and carried out the most brutal phase of the genocide under Harris, right?
Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 6d
Harris said she wouldn't have done anything different than Biden. That includes the genocide in Gaza.
pirate2377@lemmy.zip · -2 pts · 8d
I definitely get what she's trying to do, she's trying to make a statement of unity within the party that we have a common enemy in MAGA. However, I don't think she was right person to do this since most people on the very far left decided they'd rather have Trump as president than to vote for "Holocaust Harris", so I fear this might backfire about as hard as Hasan directly campaigning with him in the primaries. I want to be wrong though
Natanael@infosec.pub · 9 pts · 8d
But they wanted Genocide Trump?
https://www.nytimes.com/2026/09/15/us/politics/trump-israel-bombs.html
Not a single person who knew what was going on and cared for Palestine voted for Trump. Anybody who did that was a moron who knew nothing and fell for propaganda. Trump was always worse and he declared publicly he wanted to make it worse.
cattywampas@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 8d
They didn't vote for Trump, but many also didn't vote for Harris.
rumimevlevi@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 8d
You don't care about Palestine if you only talk about it when Trump is involved
anarchy79@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 7d
"It is up to me to decide whether you care about Palestine."
rumimevlevi@sh.itjust.works · -1 pts · 7d
anarchy79@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 6d
LOL ok?
Also, fucking creepy as fuck.
rumimevlevi@sh.itjust.works · -1 pts · 6d
Creepy that Iexposed you as someone with who hate that people talk about Gaza and Israeli terrorism. Creepy that I exposed your antisemetism conflating iarael with Jews as an ethno religious group
anarchy79@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 6d
Oh shit you outed me as someone who disagrees with your narcissistic fanaticism! Oy vey!
pirate2377@lemmy.zip · 0 pts · 7d
It's more so most of the people who were heavily pro-palestine (like Professor Dave just as an example) stayed home rather than voting against Trump. Which to me is dumb because Trump was literally pro-genocide on Gaza while Harris was just anti-Hamas. Not saying it singlehandedly made the Democrats lose, but it certainly played a factor.
It also just offends me personally because it tells me that they never actually cared about trans people or health care or the working class or anything really if they're willing to sit out and allow Trump to win just to have moral infallibility and thus I guess feel superior. The genocide wasn't stopped by not voting, but I doubt even that matters to them.
Now I'll admit, I might just be a little perception poisoned on the far left's position broadly because I used to argue with tankies on here constantly and they kept dogpiling me for saying we should've voted for Harris. Sorry for getting a little emotional with this towards the end, but it's just so frustrating
anarchy79@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 7d
I think for a lot of them it has little to do with Palestine or any of the other issues but rather to belong to a group cosplaying barricade revolutionaries while doing absolutely nothing meaningful.
A lot of these political grassroot movements have been co-opted by childish narcissists who do way more to hurt the cause than they ever do to further it.
They're literally there for the performative bullshit, the purity testing, the virtue signalling, the gatekeeping, the outrage and the accusations. They're not there for the politics, they are there for the drama and feeling of self importance. They pretend to have radical principles so that they can point at anyone and say- "as long as you are not as extreme in your views as I am in mine, you are in favor of the things I am against".
Almacca@aussie.zone · 7 pts · 8d
Nah. I read this as desperately trying to latch on to someone that's actually popular hoping some of it will bounce off onto her. Fuck her.
kreskin@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 7d
OO, I like that, going to use it, thanks.
NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io · 2 pts · 8d
The very far left and, you know, all those Arabs whose families she wanted to murder.
pirate2377@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 8d
Damn, I can't believe the right never brought that up. It should have been national news when she advocated to personally murder arabs herself
Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 6d
Not really, this is America we're talking about. When was the last year your country wasn't murdering Arabs?
antifa_ceo@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 8d
Well she is pro Israel so
Wataba@sh.itjust.works · -9 pts · 8d
Proving the Horseshoe theory then, great.
skozzii@lemmy.ca · -2 pts · 7d
Please no. I'm convinced if Biden ran he would have won, but America just isn't ready for a black woman to be president, and as terrible as it sounds, trying to force Hillary and then Kamala is why Trump won. Period. Full stop.
benjirenji@slrpnk.net · 9 pts · 7d
How about actually running a popular candidate? Hillary had all the baggage of the past when voters looked for a change and Kamala barely had 3 months to campaign. I don't think enough Americans care about what's dangling between a candidate's legs as long as they are actually popular across the field.
Saledovil@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 7d
Biden would have lost all 50 states.
florencia@lemmy.blahaj.zone · -10 pts · 8d
Kamala v Trump 2028 confirmed?
cattywampas@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 8d
Kamala has zero chance of winning the 2028 primary.
Linktank@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 8d
No wonder the controlled opposition is looking to run her!
Objection@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 8d
Assuming the let us have a primary and it's not rigged.
NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io · 2 pts · 8d
Hey, they could always ratfuck 2028 too. Worked twice already.
tidderuuf@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 8d
There's no way is heart would last that long... Right?!??!
kreskin@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 7d
oh she's definitely running.
Microtonal_Banana@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 6d
Lets see her win a primary in California first.