That does not mean that putting the AI image in that context for humorous purposes was done in AI.
It is also trivial to strip watermarks so checking for watermarks isn't reliable. Not all gen AI images are even created with watermarks. It's like checking an optional note from a parent.
We should just call stuff fake if that is what matters. Whether it is gen AI or photoshop is far less important than being fake.
So, the image is fake, but the product exists. Also, Kmart does sell a few sex toys. So, the only lie here is that Kmart sells this particular sex toy, as it does not.
Many years ago, before Walgreens started selling sex toys in store, I bought a hitachi magic wand from them. (This was before their mainstream adoption as a sex toy, and they were not labeled as such on their site. They were significantly cheaper there than at places selling them as sex toys.)
But to your point - many believable lies contain plausible truths.
this is exact what i was saying. i didn't assume anyone thought it was real, but apparently a lot of people thought it was photoshop (which requires skill, practice, time, and effort), when it was really AI (which doesn't). the proof is the fact that the entire image has SynthID, you can block out the product image (which is also AI generated) from the photo and it still has SynthID. someone took one AI image and asked AI to edit it into a photo, it's AI all the way down.
People are fooled by a genAI image and thought it was created by a human, and when given the facts they choose to denial and continue to be confidently wrong about it. i mean i already know it's difficult for humans to admit that they are wrong, but to see that actually play out in front of my eyes...
Department stores do carry sex toys. Obviously not Kmart since that hasn't been a thing in like 20 years but Target and such places do have them on the shelves.
I am surprised the place with 24/7 nitrous delivery draws the line at sex toys in stores but it is also weird for America to be okay with considering the extreme puritanical stance on non-pedo/incest/bestiality sexuality...I wonder if there's a business opportunity for wang shaped nang tanks?
there are 3 left i the US and 300 in Australia. Other stores that disappeared from my city but still exists somewhere else: Radio Shack, Blockbuster, Winn Dixie, Bi-Lo...would definitely do nostalgia stop if close to one of these
Huh.. This comment sent me down a Wikipedia rabbit hole. Australian Kmart is a separate company and brand from the American one. We also had a Bi-Lo until maybe 15 years ago that was also unrelated.
We had RadioShack and Blockbuster too, but they were the same brand.
Leakage and opening from motion, terrible idea to actually wear. Decent deterrent laying around though especially if you've got any artistic skill to make it look used.
That just looks like typical camera and compression artifacts on a fine detail pattern, not like a generative AI that doesn't actually know what it's drawing so it starts making inaccurate extrapolations? What about that makes you think it was done by AI?
It's the typical artifact created by AI when drawing multiple parallel lines, it's immediately noticeable to me. This doesn't look at all like image compression artifacts to me if that's what you are saying.
Otherwise I would say this image is flawless, wouldn't be able to tell.
Can you specifically describe what you are seeing then that stands out as an AI artifact? I am genuinely interested, not just try to challenge your statement. Here's my observations and thoughts on it:
What I see is the JPEG compression blocks around the lines and characters where the chunk changes from a smooth color to a much noisier square; what looks to have once been much blockier aliased pixels forming the barcode lines that got scaled up and blurred, so now there are distinct vertical segments a within each line, as well as a noticeable gridding on the small characters (some of which might also be my viewer); and then possibly some sort of moire effect from the slightly angled barcode lines interacting with the grid of the pixels and/or JPEG compression chunk boundaries. As with many images on the internet, it looks like it has changed size and format in the past, and it's possible that someone composting an image from different sources would end up with different artifacting in different places.
Given how small the details of the barcode are, I think they would have to come pretty much entirely from the VAE decoding itself, not from the typical generative AI denoising that we would typically associate with hallucinations, extra fingers, and all the other "classic" tells of older image generation models as well as the less-specific "wrongness" of some more recent ones. So it would AFAIK end up having to be a pretty specific artifact to the actual base model being used, and even then just doing a VAE encoding into the compressed, many-dimensional latent-space and immediately decoding would produce the same artifact, and that's hardly an "AI" process on its own.
First, @nialv7@lemmy.world was right, the background by itself without the box has a synthid, I commented some screenshots below.
I also see those "ai artifacts" on the barcode, though I wasn't as sure about it before seeing the synthid.
I can make out that the lines don't run quite parallel but form these V and Λ shapes, closer together on one end and merging together.
Counting the left most blurry line as one, the 5th is leaning into the 4th line at the top for example. The compression is strong and the image doesn't have enough resolution to make it out very clearly, but it still looks like an actual detail not a compression artifact to me. The lines are all a bit wonky, more than the noise could do.
Here's a way more obvious example:
This has some other artifacts too that I don't see in the post, but you can see the general wonkiness. And also how some lines have "bled" together, though this isn't a great example of that.
I saw the watermark stuff, and I'm not contesting any of that, my specific interest is in the fine-detail artifacts. The apparent leaning of some of the bars, eg the 5th and 6th, can 100% be explained by something like a smudge between them; I'd know because I actually drew up some parallel bars in paint.net, rotated and zoomed them, lightened a splotch, and gave it blur to match. Human eyes and brain are pretty good at picking out valid details from degraded images, but you have to remember we're talking about the level of shading of a handful of pixels, it does not take much disturbance at all to create an illusion of non-parallel lines. A hard object hitting the tag there would be enough to damage the barcode printing slightly to create such a lightening as would produce the leaning appearance.
I'm not saying that an AI didn't draw the barcode, and I'm not even saying that it doesn't have an effect like that because of generative AI imperfections. I'm saying that nothing that I see, or that has been pointed out to me, about the appearance of the barcode provides any indication or suggestion that the image is AI-generated, instead of those being typical results of looking at an image that has been resized and compressed/converted as it travels across the internet. Or to say the quiet part out loud, that those who see "ai artifacts" in the barcode are chasing ghosts, regardless of the actual image creation or the presence of watermarks/fingerprinting.
i don't know what to tell you man. i don't even know what you are trying to say here.
as for what artifact i am looking for? i can only say the barcode's lines look weird. if you see it you see it, otherwise i don't know how to explain it too you. it's chicken sexing. i've just seen too many AI generated images.
I'd say it's not by the irregularities on the shelf, ai rarely puts in those off topic details with that much care and irregularity. Unless ai was asked to use an original image as base then impose the product image.
Yes, AI has been able to take reference images for quite a while now.
And OpenAI generated images have invisible watermarks embedded into them so you can check if it's AI generated definitively. It's not an AI detector. Here: https://openai.com/research/verify/
It's sad how tech illiterate and yet still confidently wrong people can be.
If you say things like "educate yourself" followed by youtube-links...I mean, on a us-american schoolyard this might be valued as "education", but...well...
information is information, man... does it matter where it comes from?
are you like "oh, look at me, i am very posh and sophisticated, i only get my top rate handpicked organic non-GMO information from the Encyclopædia Britannica", so something
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nialv7@lemmy.world · 95 pts · 1d
We are done. People who can identify an AI image are now the minority and the mass will be fooled and yet choose to be confidently wrong about it.
If you are curious, read up about ai image watermarking: https://youtu.be/kVXp6UNVPTo
https://youtu.be/9btDaOcfIMY https://openai.com/index/advancing-content-provenance/ https://openai.com/research/verify/
snooggums@piefed.world · 77 pts · 1d
Nobody thinks this is a real image in a Kmart. They just dispute whether the obviously fake image was photoshopped or generated by AI.
The butt plug image used is AI but also from the company that sells them: https://craverise.com/products/stainless-steel-hidden-key-box-butt-plug
That does not mean that putting the AI image in that context for humorous purposes was done in AI.
It is also trivial to strip watermarks so checking for watermarks isn't reliable. Not all gen AI images are even created with watermarks. It's like checking an optional note from a parent.
We should just call stuff fake if that is what matters. Whether it is gen AI or photoshop is far less important than being fake.
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 1d
So, the image is fake, but the product exists. Also, Kmart does sell a few sex toys. So, the only lie here is that Kmart sells this particular sex toy, as it does not.
Monument@piefed.world · 5 pts · 1d
Many years ago, before Walgreens started selling sex toys in store, I bought a hitachi magic wand from them. (This was before their mainstream adoption as a sex toy, and they were not labeled as such on their site. They were significantly cheaper there than at places selling them as sex toys.)
But to your point - many believable lies contain plausible truths.
Monument@piefed.world · 8 pts · 1d
I’m weirdly disappointed the real product has a gem in the base.
nialv7@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 1h
this is exact what i was saying. i didn't assume anyone thought it was real, but apparently a lot of people thought it was photoshop (which requires skill, practice, time, and effort), when it was really AI (which doesn't). the proof is the fact that the entire image has SynthID, you can block out the product image (which is also AI generated) from the photo and it still has SynthID. someone took one AI image and asked AI to edit it into a photo, it's AI all the way down.
People are fooled by a genAI image and thought it was created by a human, and when given the facts they choose to denial and continue to be confidently wrong about it. i mean i already know it's difficult for humans to admit that they are wrong, but to see that actually play out in front of my eyes...
naught101@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 1d
It's a butt plug in a department store, of course it's fake.
DillDough@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 19h
Department stores do carry sex toys. Obviously not Kmart since that hasn't been a thing in like 20 years but Target and such places do have them on the shelves.
naught101@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 15h
That's an Australian Kmart, which still exist everywhere here (anko is their house brand). They definitely do not sell sex toys.
DillDough@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 12h
Huh, did not know that thanks for the info.
I am surprised the place with 24/7 nitrous delivery draws the line at sex toys in stores but it is also weird for America to be okay with considering the extreme puritanical stance on non-pedo/incest/bestiality sexuality...I wonder if there's a business opportunity for wang shaped nang tanks?
modus@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 14h
Anything is a sex toy to those of us with an imagination.
whoneedsgravy@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 14h
I mean, the produce section is full of butt plugs
Quexotic@infosec.pub · 11 pts · 1d
I just assumed it was fake.
But I don't think this is.
https://www.thestashplug.com/
SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 8 pts · 1d
The first clue was Kmart honestly.
Also pretty sure it's a non-standard logo for Kmart too.
There's other details but that was a major one for me.
You know, on top of the idea of this somehow getting sold in a box store which is silly enough to begin with.
thatOneGuy@aussie.zone · 11 pts · 1d
Actually no; that is both the correct logo for KMart in Australia AND its own internal brand Anko:
https://www.kmart.com.au/search/?searchTerm=Anko
SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 14h
No, the "mart" is in front of the K in the Aussie version, this one has the "mart" behind the K.
Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 0 pts · 56m
Honestly, would you be surprised about this being sold in something lile AliExpress or Amazon?
I would not.
Fizz@lemmy.nz · 64 pts · 1d
Please do not put anything from Kmart inside you. It will almost certainly break
cloudshouter@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 1d
It’s a Blue
LightBall Special.Snapz@lemmy.world · 34 pts · 1d
She jingles loudly while she dances,
Leading oft to pantsless romances.
Careful early planning, she stays worry free,
As her bottom always holds the key.
You're welcome.
xav@programming.dev · 1 pts · 22h
... To her bottom.
RickyRigatoni@piefed.zip · 30 pts · 1d
Kmart???
expatriado@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 1d
there are 3 left i the US and 300 in Australia. Other stores that disappeared from my city but still exists somewhere else: Radio Shack, Blockbuster, Winn Dixie, Bi-Lo...would definitely do nostalgia stop if close to one of these
tophneal@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 1d
Aw man I forgot about bi-lo, food city swooped in and it just faded into a distant memory
naught101@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1d
Huh.. This comment sent me down a Wikipedia rabbit hole. Australian Kmart is a separate company and brand from the American one. We also had a Bi-Lo until maybe 15 years ago that was also unrelated.
We had RadioShack and Blockbuster too, but they were the same brand.
SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 25 pts · 1d
Looks like AI
Smells like AI, too
neidu4@piefed.social · 20 pts · 1d
Until used, then it'll smell like something else
galacticbackhoe@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 1d
pam image: they're the same smell
SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 1d
socsa@piefed.social · 3 pts · 1d
I mean you gotta wash it
Quexotic@infosec.pub · 23 pts · 1d
https://www.thestashplug.com/
Apparently there's a whole market.
Stamau123@lemmy.world · 31 pts · 1d
A hole market if you will
glitchdx@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1d
now that's actually cool.
A_Chilean_Cyborg@feddit.cl · 2 pts · 1d
I... Impressive.
red_bull_of_juarez@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 17 pts · 1d
Does it fit a wrist watch?
Sonotsugipaa@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 13 pts · 1d
Arc Raiders players be like:
lightnsfw@reddthat.com · 13 pts · 14h
I don't think you should be putting anything that unscrews like that in your asshole.
KingPorkChop@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 11h
Probably not. But it's better than my current method of just my keys on a string.
Mongostein@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 11h
What if we added a recesssd latch?
BoosBeau@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 19h
I get people are arguing about fake/AI, but... KMART is still alive and kicking? I thought they died off like Radio Shack and Blockbuster.
dai@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 18h
This is the Australian Kmart.
kibblebits@quokk.au · 8 pts · 1d
Where the hell did you find a Kmart?
user1234@fedinsfw.app · 15 pts · 1d
I think it's still fairly common in Australia. And probably a lot nicer than the American version.
Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 1d
Yeah, I hear they have buttplugs that can hide spare keys.
couldhavebeenyou@lemmy.zip · 13 pts · 1d
Downunder
Thassodar@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 1d
Crikey
Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1d
Cry. Key.
kibblebits@quokk.au · 5 pts · 1d
I don’t think the yanks have Kmart anymore
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 8 pts · 15h
"Ugh... I sat on my keys!"
AstroLightz@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 1d
They definitely knew
BlackPenguins@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 1d
It's also a good hide a key. You can bet no one will touch that if they see it laying around.
nymnympseudonym@piefed.social · 14 pts · 1d
You can really tell we hang among different crowds
tigermountain@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 1d
At least you'll always have them with you.
BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 1d
Unfortunately slop.
snooggums@piefed.world · 32 pts · 1d
Looks more like shop.
It is a combination of a pic from Kmart and an image from this product shopped in.
https://craverise.com/products/stainless-steel-hidden-key-box-butt-plug
Not slop.
db2@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1d
Leakage and opening from motion, terrible idea to actually wear. Decent deterrent laying around though especially if you've got any artistic skill to make it look used.
protist@retrofed.com · 1 pts · 1d
Assuming the construction is decent, this looks perfectly fine to me. Really depends on how well machined those threads are
nialv7@lemmy.world · -4 pts · 1d
Look at the barcode on the price label. To me that says AI slop
DarthFreyr@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 1d
That just looks like typical camera and compression artifacts on a fine detail pattern, not like a generative AI that doesn't actually know what it's drawing so it starts making inaccurate extrapolations? What about that makes you think it was done by AI?
nialv7@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 1d
It's the typical artifact created by AI when drawing multiple parallel lines, it's immediately noticeable to me. This doesn't look at all like image compression artifacts to me if that's what you are saying.
Otherwise I would say this image is flawless, wouldn't be able to tell.
DarthFreyr@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 1d
Can you specifically describe what you are seeing then that stands out as an AI artifact? I am genuinely interested, not just try to challenge your statement. Here's my observations and thoughts on it:
What I see is the JPEG compression blocks around the lines and characters where the chunk changes from a smooth color to a much noisier square; what looks to have once been much blockier aliased pixels forming the barcode lines that got scaled up and blurred, so now there are distinct vertical segments a within each line, as well as a noticeable gridding on the small characters (some of which might also be my viewer); and then possibly some sort of moire effect from the slightly angled barcode lines interacting with the grid of the pixels and/or JPEG compression chunk boundaries. As with many images on the internet, it looks like it has changed size and format in the past, and it's possible that someone composting an image from different sources would end up with different artifacting in different places.
Given how small the details of the barcode are, I think they would have to come pretty much entirely from the VAE decoding itself, not from the typical generative AI denoising that we would typically associate with hallucinations, extra fingers, and all the other "classic" tells of older image generation models as well as the less-specific "wrongness" of some more recent ones. So it would AFAIK end up having to be a pretty specific artifact to the actual base model being used, and even then just doing a VAE encoding into the compressed, many-dimensional latent-space and immediately decoding would produce the same artifact, and that's hardly an "AI" process on its own.
Redjard@reddthat.com · 2 pts · 1d
First, @nialv7@lemmy.world was right, the background by itself without the box has a synthid, I commented some screenshots below.
I also see those "ai artifacts" on the barcode, though I wasn't as sure about it before seeing the synthid.
I can make out that the lines don't run quite parallel but form these V and Λ shapes, closer together on one end and merging together.
Counting the left most blurry line as one, the 5th is leaning into the 4th line at the top for example. The compression is strong and the image doesn't have enough resolution to make it out very clearly, but it still looks like an actual detail not a compression artifact to me. The lines are all a bit wonky, more than the noise could do.
Here's a way more obvious example:
This has some other artifacts too that I don't see in the post, but you can see the general wonkiness. And also how some lines have "bled" together, though this isn't a great example of that.
DarthFreyr@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 13h
I saw the watermark stuff, and I'm not contesting any of that, my specific interest is in the fine-detail artifacts. The apparent leaning of some of the bars, eg the 5th and 6th, can 100% be explained by something like a smudge between them; I'd know because I actually drew up some parallel bars in paint.net, rotated and zoomed them, lightened a splotch, and gave it blur to match. Human eyes and brain are pretty good at picking out valid details from degraded images, but you have to remember we're talking about the level of shading of a handful of pixels, it does not take much disturbance at all to create an illusion of non-parallel lines. A hard object hitting the tag there would be enough to damage the barcode printing slightly to create such a lightening as would produce the leaning appearance.
I'm not saying that an AI didn't draw the barcode, and I'm not even saying that it doesn't have an effect like that because of generative AI imperfections. I'm saying that nothing that I see, or that has been pointed out to me, about the appearance of the barcode provides any indication or suggestion that the image is AI-generated, instead of those being typical results of looking at an image that has been resized and compressed/converted as it travels across the internet. Or to say the quiet part out loud, that those who see "ai artifacts" in the barcode are chasing ghosts, regardless of the actual image creation or the presence of watermarks/fingerprinting.
nialv7@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 45m
i don't know what to tell you man. i don't even know what you are trying to say here.
as for what artifact i am looking for? i can only say the barcode's lines look weird. if you see it you see it, otherwise i don't know how to explain it too you. it's chicken sexing. i've just seen too many AI generated images.
Candice_the_elephant@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 6m
I'd say it's not by the irregularities on the shelf, ai rarely puts in those off topic details with that much care and irregularity. Unless ai was asked to use an original image as base then impose the product image.
snooggums@piefed.world · 7 pts · 1d
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pixelation
nialv7@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 1d
Lol it even has OpenAI's watermark...
I know gloating is bad but like, I told you so, feel dumb now?
snooggums@piefed.world · 3 pts · 1d
The plug image portion is literally from the page I linked. Does AI merge images into other images?
What watermark? What are you using to verify that it is AI, an unreliable AI checking tool?
nialv7@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1d
Yes, AI has been able to take reference images for quite a while now.
And OpenAI generated images have invisible watermarks embedded into them so you can check if it's AI generated definitively. It's not an AI detector. Here: https://openai.com/research/verify/
It's sad how tech illiterate and yet still confidently wrong people can be.
snooggums@piefed.world · 0 pts · 1d
Why would an image have a watermark but not a manifest?
nialv7@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1d
Could have been altered/stripped after being generated.
MrQuallzin@pie.eyeofthestorm.place · 1 pts · 1d
Imagine using the hallucination tool to check for hallucinations
nialv7@lemmy.world · -5 pts · 1d
Honestly sad people can be so wrong and arrogant. Educate yourself a bit: https://youtu.be/9btDaOcfIMY https://youtu.be/kVXp6UNVPTo
Dyskolos@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 1d
If you say things like "educate yourself" followed by youtube-links...I mean, on a us-american schoolyard this might be valued as "education", but...well...
nialv7@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 11h
information is information, man... does it matter where it comes from?
are you like "oh, look at me, i am very posh and sophisticated, i only get my top rate handpicked organic non-GMO information from the Encyclopædia Britannica", so something
jobbies@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 1d
Unfortunately?
Artemis_Mystique@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 21h
on the shitpost meter, you score 60%
glitchdx@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1d
I would not trust that.
Pat_Riot@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 1d
That is a very personal key holder.
NoForwadSlashS@piefed.social · 4 pts · 1d
I guess if it pops open then they won't be "lost", but the flared base won't help get them out.
deft@lemmy.wtf · 3 pts · 22h
You'd get all this shit in the seam
_lilith@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 3h
ryathal@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 1d
If it was in your ass you'd know.
thevoidzero@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 12h
They missed the chance to name it unko
BobbyNevada@discuss.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 4h
I don't know, is it any better then the Butt Plug Nug Jug?
heartSagan5@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 23m
Do not put that up your pooper. It may look like a anal plug, but it separates and that will be a weird hospital visit to the ER.
Taleya@aussie.zone · 1 pts · 1d
Well no one's gonna grab it are they
justme@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 1d
"wait a second, just let me get out the keys"