Young men are swinging away hard from Republicans, pessimistic about economy, new poll finds

Its the celebrity effect. I even saw it with otherwise respected individuals like Neil DeGrasse Tyson. People fundamentally cannot understand that a person who is a subject matter expert in one are may be completely out of their element in another area. Add in social media letting then (intentionally or not) amplify their most mundane thoughts and boom. You're ah "influencer" on any topic you choose to talk about.

Joe Rogan seemed different because he had the sense to bring other smart people on and let them talk. But that mask slipped off over the years.

He was just in the right place at the right time with podcasting.

Not worth much unfortunately with how completely malleable he is without a single lick of critical thinking skills.

You like that one, I've got a worse one: in 2024 Trump won the male youth vote with 55% according to some exit polls, the largest shift towards conservatives ever recorded in youth of both genders and the reversal of a decades long trend where youth were consistently more progressive.

I blame Beijing and their fucking TikTok psyops.

"Stupid" yes, but never "vote Republican" stupid.

Oh 100%, I think that’s the overwhelming part for me. These fucking idiots keep showing me my past self.

I used to be a libertarian back in the day; partly because I didn’t understand socialism, or libertarianism for that matter. But I think mostly because my prefrontal cortex hadn’t fully developed yet so my capacity for empathy was limited.

I was pretty fucking stupid.

Libertarianism makes sense in a culture where you feel markets will keep themselves honest.

Reality , of course, is disappointing and I was a stupid young man for believing that.

I agree with a lot of the libertarian beliefs, but the people who actually call themselves that are absolutely insane.

Same, and same.

Uh no, it’s not hard at all to hold them accountable. They’re stupid as fuck. The first go around with Trump.. ok I guess maybe a handful of idiots get a pass. They don’t. But since so many people were stuoid you literally have to give the ones that admit they made a mistake the benefit of the doubt.

The stupid dipshit retards that voted for him TWO MORE TIMES. No. You’re a fascist traitor dickhead and you deserve exactly what traitors deserve.

Good judgment comes from experience.

Experience comes from bad judgment.

Would it be a better world if there were people like that

Our parents have lead paint in their blood and our children have microplastics in their blood

Weird angle to take, that's a pretty small segment of the population.

It wasn't them. Millenial men voted more for trump than gen Z, and X more than millenials. Looking at the raw data, you'd come away assuming the race was more about gender than age, compared to past elections.

Look at Mamdani in NYC fighting against wage theft. Look at Abdul campaigning with backing from Harris and his pro labor platform and experience.

These things are happening in spite of the Democratic party - not because of it. Just look at how hard it was to convince the leadership to back Mamdani even after his meteoric rise.

I think it's a stretch to say one Party is willing to do something. I think the people willing to do something tend to end up in one party, and those are not the same thing. I think there's a plurality, and perhaps even a majority within the Democrats that are committed to actually helping, but there's also a significant faction that are committed to undermining every step forward, and that's going to keep being a problem. By "A lot more pro-labor" what they end up meaning is that there's a lot of pro-labor reps, but they're never going to make a difference because the rest of the party isn't going to commit to being a real "party" with shared goals and principles and the things that make a party more than just a fundraising apparatus. It's two parties in a trench coat, one with money and very little public appeal, and one with broad public appeal and very little money.

Now that does mean something important. It means they're probably not going to successfully make things worse, which at this point is a lot more than we can say for the GOP, and that matters, but it also means that if things are going to get better, we're going to have to figure out how to do it ourselves, and not look to "the party" to save us.

I think it's fair to say that the same people who are pro working class, progressive candidates are more likely to side with the pro lgbt party over the pro churchianity party, whether or not there is corruption among either of the establishments. You know, if they have to choose one side or the other. Assuming the DSA movement takes over, the obvious shills will either have to splinter off or defect to the republicans.

The tide of billionaire or AIPAC money has not helped anyone win an election in a while now, that paints a pretty good picture tbh

All I know is that for my entire life when Dems are in power we have economic recovery, better healthcare, and a lot less chaos.

I noticed you left war and genocide out of this little list.

Literally no one in America wanted to be involved in Iran

I guarantee you the evangelicals did. They control the Republican party, they got exactly what they wanted.

The certain type of person you describe is called a "conservative".

I'd rather they didn't vote instead of voting for Republicans. Granted, I wish everyone would vote but considering their voting habits maybe it's better they didn't.

I hate to reignite the thing, but if the ones who aren't going to vote GOP and are willing to listen to you don't vote, you do realize that's a shoe-in in many places for the GOP candidate. I know, the other is trash too, but have we really gotten to the point where the GOP still has a locked in vote because every election the other side's voters always fight with each other and ruin the potential sweep they had? IS this how the left works now? Seems like it. How do you fix that when the ones who are (understandable) pissed off keep turning away votes that DON'T get the right holding power? Circling the drain with this logic.

That comment doesn't sound very democratic to me.

Mamdani is trying to implement government run grocery stores. That's something isn't it?

The goal is for cost of living to go up along with wages or dollar value. Remember a nickel in the 40's was not a little bit of money. Now we hardly even think about it. And I hope your employer is at least giving cost of living raise. Don't stay at a company that goes years on end without giving any increase.

What would they even do about the cost of living?

Where there's a will, there's a way. The government could chose to spend money helping people in any number of ways, but it's always "how you gonna pay for it?" Meanwhile there's a blank check for building bombs to be dropped on Yemen, Iran, or Palestine.

Give us universal healthcare so people don't go bankrupt and lose their houses when they develop a health problem. Maybe build some of those cheap, commieblock apartments that we can rent for like 6% of our income instead of a third or more. Build public transit so we don't have to spend tons of money buying and maintaining cars. Subsidize essentials like groceries. If we weren't pouring a trillion dollars a year into terrorizing brown people on the other side of the world, we could afford to do basically anything.

All of those are things that other governments have done, but here in the States we're so used to the government doing fuck-all to the point that people start thinking it isn't even possible for the government to help anyone. But if you look at other countries, or at history, there's plenty of stuff they could do if they wanted to.

The both sides are the same thing makes my eyes shake