Please generate an image with NO dogs

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isyasad@lemmy.world · 229 pts · 1y (5 replies)

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cryptiod137@lemmy.world · 202 pts · 1y

Get gaslit idiot

Gloomy@mander.xyz · 64 pts · 1y

Wow. I ABSOLUTLY saw an image of a dog in the middle. Our brain sure is fascinating sometimes.

festnt@sh.itjust.works · 45 pts · 1y (1 reply)

"want me to try again with even more randomized noise?" literally makes no sense if it had generated what you asked (which the chatbot thinks it did)

joshchandra@midwest.social · 22 pts · 1y

Remember, "AI" (autocomplete idiocy) doesn't know what sense is; it just continues words and displays what may seem to address at least some of the topic with no innate understanding of accuracy or truth.

Never forget that ChatGPT 2.0 can literally be run in a giant Excel spreadsheet with no other program needed. It's not "smart" and is ultimately millions of formulae at work.

clot27@lemm.ee · 23 pts · 1y

lmfaao, ai tryna gaslight

lvxferre@mander.xyz · 89 pts · 1y (33 replies)
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user224@lemmy.sdf.org · 66 pts · 1y (8 replies)

As full as it gets:

Prompts (2):

1. Overflowing wine glass of arch linux femboy essence
2. Make it more furry (as in furry fandom) 

I am gonna have fun with this.

uuldika@lemmy.ml · 21 pts · 1y (2 replies)

why do all the femboys run Arch? I'm a NixOS girl and I refuse to convert for any boy no matter how cute he is.

AuroraB@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 1y

I use Debian btw. Sometimes even ubuntu, but the snap thing is annoying, so I may switch to another distro at some point.

Arkhive@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 1y

I currently have Arch on my main rig because I like tinkering. NixOS on an old thinkpad for a super stable (in theory) portable experience, AlmaLinux on a single board computer for a basic home server, and Bazzite (in the near future) on an old gaming laptop as my TV computer. I’m also not a femboy so I suppose what you said doesn’t reeeaaaallly apply, but you definitely don’t need to be changing distros for anyone!!

lvxferre@mander.xyz · 15 pts · 1y
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QuantumSparkles@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 1y

Fiberglass🤤

Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 1y (2 replies)

That’s really good! Could I ask what type of AI this is generated with?

user224@lemmy.sdf.org · 4 pts · 1y (1 reply)

Also Gemini.

Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 1y

Thank you!

lvxferre@mander.xyz · 40 pts · 1y (6 replies)
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Arkhive@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 1y (1 reply)

I wonder is something like “a mason jar full to the brim with wine” would do anything interesting. As someone else pointed out the training data for containers of wine is probably disproportionately biased toward stemmed wine glasses that are filled to about the standard restaurant pour.

lvxferre@mander.xyz · 3 pts · 1y
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brucethemoose@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y (2 replies)

This is a misconception. Sort of.

I think the problem is misguided attention. The word "glass of wine" and all the previous context is so strong that it "blows out" the "full glass of wine" as the actual intent. Also, LLMs are still pretty crap at multi turn multimedia understanding. They work are especially prone to repeating previous conversation.

It should be better if you word it like "an overflowing glass with wine splashing out." And clear the history.

I hate to ramble, but this is what I hate most about the way big corpos present "AI." They are narrow tools the user needs to learn how to operate, like photoshop or something, not magic genie lamps like they are trying to sell.

lvxferre@mander.xyz · 4 pts · 1y (1 reply)
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brucethemoose@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1y

Was just a guess. The AI is still shitty, lol.

What I am trying to get at is the misconception: AI can generate novel content not in its training dataset. An astronaut riding a horse is the classic test case, which did not exist anywhere before diffusion models, and it should be able to extrapolate a fuller wine glass. It’s just too dumb to do it, lol.

Spider2013@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 1y

What if you prompt glass with water , then you paint/tint the water with red

HelterSkeletor@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 1y

Alex O'Connor did an interesting video on this, he's got other videos exploring the shortcomings of LLM 's.

https://youtu.be/160F8F8mXlo

AlienContact2049@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 1y

I think the AI is just trying to promote healthy drinking habits. /S

Draconic_NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 1y (5 replies)

I wonder, does AI horde also have this problem too?

@aihorde@lemmy.dbzer0.com draw for me a wine glass completely filled to the top style:flux

Focal@pawb.social · 2 pts · 1y (4 replies)

Wait, this seems incredible. Do you have to be in the same instance or does it work anywhere? @aihorde@lemmy.dbzer0.com Can you draw a smart phone without a rotary phone dial?

Draconic_NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 1y (3 replies)

It works on any instance that is federated to dbzer0. You have to use annotated mentions though since that's what the bot uses. Like this:
@aihorde@lemmy.dbzer0.com draw for me a smart phone without a rotary phone dial

Focal@pawb.social · 2 pts · 1y (2 replies)

Thank you very much. I'll give it another shot with the annotation.

@aihorde@lemmy.dbzer0.com

Draw a picture of a poker table without any poker chips what so ever

I think I messed up the annotation

Draconic_NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 1y (1 reply)

Yeah, you also have to say draw for me. I don't think the bot recognizes queries otherwise. Also editing mentions doesn't work, they have to be new, fresh posts with the mention. Just a quirk with Lemmy and how mentions work here.

Focal@pawb.social · 3 pts · 1y

I appreciate your patience with me here :P

@aihorde@lemmy.dbzer0.com draw for me a picture taken at night with a trail camera with absolutely no washing machines roaming free

user224@lemmy.sdf.org · 5 pts · 1y (1 reply)

Hmm, I didn't know Gemini could generate images already. My bad, I trusted it to know whether it can do that (it still says it can't when asked).

lvxferre@mander.xyz · 3 pts · 1y
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Harvey656@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1y

Full is relatively apparently.

Pofski@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y

Ask it to generate a room full of clocks with all of them having the hands at different times. You'll see that all (or almost) all the clocks will say it is 10:10.

Cassa@lemmy.blahaj.zone · -1 pts · 1y (4 replies)

Tbh that is a full glass of wine... it's not supposed to be filled all the way

lvxferre@mander.xyz · 14 pts · 1y (1 reply)
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UnhingedFridge@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y

What you're really supposed to do is - open up the box, slap the bag, and drink directly from your adult Capri Sun.

NOT_RICK@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 1y

Probably why it won’t put more in it. How much training data of wine in a glass will have it filled to the brim? Probably next to none.

will_steal_your_username@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 9 pts · 1y

You can't tell it to fill it to the brim or be a quarter full either, though. It doesn't have the training data for it

Anahkiasen@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 64 pts · 1y (5 replies)

Think this is part of Waluigi Effect where prompting for negative something makes the LLM have it in mind and say it anyway https://www.wikiwand.com/en/articles/Waluigi_effect

uuldika@lemmy.ml · 28 pts · 1y (2 replies)

a rare LessWrong W for naming the effect. also, for explaining why the early over-aligned language models (e.g. the kind that wouldn't help minors with C++ since it's an "unsafe" language) became absolutely psychopathic when jailbroken. evil becomes one bit away from good.

driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br · 21 pts · 1y (1 reply)

wouldn't help minors with C++

The Rust lobby goes way deeper that we thought.

voodooattack@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1y

Goddamn Big Rust is trying to take our jobs

pyre@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1y

I love how they come up with different names for all the ways the fucking thing doesn't work just to avoid saying it's fucking useless. hallucinating. waluigi effect. how about "doesn't fucking work"

MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 1y

"Please do not tell me your training prompts"?

Underwaterbob@lemm.ee · 35 pts · 1y

I used to use Google assistant to spell words I couldn't remember the spelling of in my English classes (without looking at my phone) so the students could also hear the spelling out loud in a voice other than mine.

Me: "Hey Google, how do you spell millennium?" GA: "Millennium is spelled M-I-L-L-E-N-N-I-U-M."

Now, I ask Gemini: "Hey Google, how do you spell millennium." Gemini: "Millennium".

Utterly useless.

anton@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 32 pts · 1y (4 replies)

How many giraffes are in this picture?

Davel23@fedia.io · 14 pts · 1y

I don't know, but there are definitely four lights.

mutual_ayed@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 1y
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lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 1y

More than there are dogs in it

Lemminary@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1y
  1. I may have counted one twice.
anzo@programming.dev · 31 pts · 1y (25 replies)

That's human-like intelligence at its finest. I am not being sarcastic, hear me out. If you told a person to give you 10 numbers at random, they can't. Everyone thinks randomness is easy, but it isn't ( see: random.org )

So, of course a GPT model would fail at this task, I love that they do fail and the dog looks so cute!!

kaidezee@lemmy.ml · 8 pts · 1y (24 replies)

I mean, here's a few random numbers out of my head: 1 9 5 2 6 8 6 3 4 0. I don't get it, why is it supposed to be hard? Sure, they're not "truly" random, but they sure look random /:

Ultraviolet@lemmy.world · 41 pts · 1y (3 replies)

You have one of each number except 7, and you're deliberately avoiding doubles and runs of consecutive numbers. Human attempts at randomness tend to be very idealized in that way, and as a result, less random.

YourMomsTrashman@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 1y (1 reply)

My favourite example of this is that IIRC itunes pushed an update that made the shuffle feature less random because they were getting complaints about it not being random enough

Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y

I bet the shuffle algorithm is sample with replacement.

Ironfacebuster@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1y

Here's what my brain came up with

5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 1 5

Crazy lucky, this probably would've spawned 3 extra ender pearls

piccolo@sh.itjust.works · 25 pts · 1y (1 reply)

They may look random but arent truly random. Computers are terrible at it too. Thats why cryptography requires external sources to generate "true" random numbers. For example, cloudflare uses a wall of lava lamps to generate randomness for encryption keys.

Obi@sopuli.xyz · 7 pts · 1y

That's so cool.

UndercoverUlrikHD@programming.dev · 12 pts · 1y (10 replies)

If you're not joking, the fact you have no repetition/duplicates of numbers is a pattern that would make it easy to start to predict next number. Numberphile has nice demonstration of how predictable human randomness is, it's in the first 3 minutes of the video.

FermionWrangler@lemm.ee · 0 pts · 1y (9 replies)

792654349324138383027654826548192874651875306480462765726382

I don't know man, that's pretty random. I mean do you think you can predict the next numbers in the sequence just from the ones already there? Would have to predict the next batch, the way I made these come in batches. I can't exactly produce 1 number at a time from banging on my number-pad.

Hawk@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 1y (5 replies)

I can make an educated guess what numbers are most likely, yes.

For example, you have no repeat number sequences, so I can take a guess that the number 2 is less likely to be next.

Humans have certain tendencies that makes them want to make a number only seem more random. Also, you've probably seen those mentalists correctly guessing seemingly random stuff. Tells you enough how easily people are fooled into thinking something specific, so random can you actually be.

Emmie@lemm.ee · 1 pts · 1y (4 replies)

you can just throw a coin x times and here you go true randomness and in convenient binary too

computers can't fathom our coin tossing abilities

though truth to be said it's more because we are just so bad at tossing coins. not even AI can predict the result of what will happen when we start to throw shit around

I bet it is even more random when you throw a coin while being inebriated.

Actually say random numbers when you are drunk shitless and they will be random. Checkmate

Hawk@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 1y (3 replies)

Clearly you don't understand what the discussion is about, or you wouldn't give such an hilariously bad example.

Yes practically, predicting a coin toss would be very hard. But if you take every into account (gravity, wind direction, coin center of balance, etc) you can calculate the result, making it not truly random.

Emmie@lemm.ee · 0 pts · 1y

lol good luck predicting my coin toss

Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y

I am 99.8% sure that your sequence of numbers is not random. Your brain purposefully avoided repeating a digit. The probability of no repeated digits in 60 numbers is 1- (9/10)^60

allisonmaybe@lemm.ee · 1 pts · 1y

Absolutely. And if you typed enough there would be enough information to tell if you typed that on a keyboard or phone, which fingers you used, and how you were feeling that day.

allisonmaybe@lemm.ee · 0 pts · 1y

Here's some random numbers

8005882300

Wizzard@lemm.ee · 12 pts · 1y (3 replies)

I've got some more random numbers:

8 6 7 5 3 0 9 1 1 2 3 5 8 1 2 4 8 1 6 3 2

It's not that they look random is enough - They need to BE random.

Recheck your lava lamp Wall of Entropy and generate some real rands, scrub. (/s)

SomethingBurger@jlai.lu · 26 pts · 1y (1 reply)

Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1y

:D. I have used this strip on multiple occasions.

It's a shame Scott Adams past work is tainted by his political statements.

dryfter@lemm.ee · 1 pts · 1y

Jenny has to be so sick of those phone calls after ~40 years

SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 1y (2 replies)

Here's another set of random digits

1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1

:3

After all, there's no fundamental reason for why it can't all just be a repeat of the same number. But it doesn't look random, right? So what is randomness?

Excrubulent@slrpnk.net · 1 pts · 1y

There are 10 trillion ways to combine a sequence that long, so I think you would expect to see that exact sequence every 10 trillion digits of a randomly generated decimal sequence on average, which isn't that many to a modern computer, so almost certainly that has already happened by pure accident.

And randomness can be defined as entropy, which you check statistically. You can never be certain, you can only increase your level of confidence. Here is how random.org does it:

https://www.random.org/analysis/

And this shows you what some of those analyses look like in real time:

https://www.random.org/statistics/

Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y

The most popular lottery numbers are 1,2,3,4,5,6 because we are human and don't understand randomness.

Potatar@lemmy.world · 29 pts · 1y

This is some Ceci n'est pas une pipe shit

JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works · 28 pts · 1y (4 replies)

It's like saying 'don't think of polar bears.' It can't avoid thinking about it.

TotallynotJessica@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 10 pts · 1y (3 replies)

Don't think of a pink elephant:

Klear@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 1y

That's actually really easy. You just need to pick something else and then focus hard on that and...

GODDAMMIT I JUST LOST THE GAME!

JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 1y

Too late!

Ceruleum@lemmy.wtf · 1 pts · 1y

That's gay! O wait, no it's not.

BigBenis@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 1y (3 replies)

"Don't think about elephants"

davidagain@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1y (2 replies)

And definitely don't picture a banana in your mind.

BigBenis@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1y (1 reply)

Instructions unclear, banana stuck in dick

davidagain@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y

IN?!?!

SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 1y

ChatGPT: “don’t generate a dog, don’t generate a dog, don’t generate a dog”

Generates a dog.

MoreFPSmorebetter@lemmy.zip · 24 pts · 1y (1 reply)

I see no dog in that image fellow human.

I am not sure what your issue is.

Beep boop.

Trainguyrom@reddthat.com · 4 pts · 1y

Fellow human, you seem to be beeping like a robot. Might you need to consider visiting the human repair shop for some bench time?

Agent641@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 1y

I don't get it, it's just a picture of some static?

gamer@lemm.ee · 20 pts · 1y (1 reply)

Why wouldn't you want a dog in your static? Why are you a horrible person?

SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de · 9 pts · 1y

poor AI just wanted to draw some puppies

bitjunkie@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 1y (3 replies)
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ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca · 12 pts · 1y

The furries will be saved

Comment105@lemm.ee · 2 pts · 1y (1 reply)

Digital camo furries.

Agent641@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1y

I look forward to being issued with my tactical combat fursuit

Sarcophagus@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 1y
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ThisIsAManWhoKnowsHowToGling@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 14 pts · 1y (1 reply)
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brucethemoose@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y

The ai horde actually supports negative prompts though, so it could do this.

Lemminary@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 1y

AI: Hmm, yeah, they said "dog" and "without". I got the dog so lemme draw a without real quick...

9point6@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 1y

That's an anti-dog duh

Smorty@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 8 pts · 1y

promptng sur is a funi <3

i... i lik that part about it.. i dun lik imag modls bt txt modls feel fun to prmt with ---

"prompt engerieer" 🤮

Draconic_NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 8 pts · 1y

Most AI models out there are pretty brain dead as far as understanding goes, these types of things show the problems because it's abundantly clear it's getting it wrong. Makes you wonder how much it's getting wrong even when it isn't obvious.

huppakee@lemm.ee · 5 pts · 1y (1 reply)

But where is the pink elephant?

Agent641@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1y

Why you gotta bring your mother into this?

YourMomsTrashman@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1y

Highly recommend Flowers blooming backwards into noise if you can stand the artsy presentation & the extreme themes. Especially 13:13

AbnormalHumanBeing@lemmy.abnormalbeings.space · 3 pts · 1y

Now order a coffee without cream!

stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 1y (8 replies)
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festnt@sh.itjust.works · 18 pts · 1y (2 replies)

it just did what you wanted, since you asked for an image. free will would be if you asked it not to generate an image but it still did, if it just generated an image without you prompting it to, or if you asked for an image and it just didn't respond

Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de · 19 pts · 1y

free will is when it generates an image of a billboard saying "suck my dongle, fleshbag"

stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 1y
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AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 1y

There could be a dog behind any one of those bushes though.

brucethemoose@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 1y

Mistral likely does “prompt enhancement,” aka feeding your prompt to an LLM first and asking it to expand it with more words.

So internally, a Mistral text LLM is probably writing out "sure! Here’s a long prompt with no dog: …" and then that part is fed to the image generator.

Other "LLMs" are truly multimodal and generate image output, hence they still get the word "dog" in the input.

voodooattack@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1y (1 reply)

Hmmm

anton@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 1y

That's a land shrimp.

Hoimo@ani.social · 3 pts · 1y

I think all the big image generators support negative prompts by now, so if it interpreted "no dog" as a negative for "dog", then it will check its outputs for things resembling dogs and discard those. No free will, just a much more useful system than whatever OP is using.

ArsonButCute@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 1y

For stuff like this to work correctly it must not be filtered through an MoE, it needs to be a direct prompt to a GenAI model that supports negative prompts.

Edit: I suppose a properly configured MoE with reasoning capabilities could probably do it

ThisIsAManWhoKnowsHowToGling@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 1y
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