Report: Microsoft's latest Windows 11 24H2 update breaks SSDs/HDDs, may corrupt your data
https://www.neowin.net/news/report-microsofts-latest-windows-11-24h2-update-breaks-ssdshdds-may-corrupt-your-data/
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riskable@programming.dev · 152 pts · 361d
Linux users: "See what we mean?"
Windows users: "La la la! I can't hear you! Losing my data is clearly better than having to learn something new!"
11111one11111@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 361d
otter@lemmy.ca · 15 pts · 360d
Your account seems to be marked as a bot, you can fix that in your user settings if it was unintentional
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au · 1 pts · 360d
This comment of theirs reads like a comment by a Lemmy upvote farming bot tbf
chunes@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 361d
I have literally never had one of these things happen to me before. I'm pretty sure people just make them up for clicks at this point.
riskable@programming.dev · 32 pts · 361d
Oh?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_features_removed_in_Windows_11
Serinus@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 360d
Jesus, what a scam. Why does anyone put up with this?
KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 7 pts · 360d
Windows 11 only comes in 64 bit flavors so this would be a weird feature to leave in place.
Serinus@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 360d
I'm not using any software that doesn't have an upward swipe gesture for jumplists. How can people stand losing features like this?
null@lemmy.nullspace.lol · 1 pts · 360d
I'm also gonna sarcastically cherry-pick!
Serinus@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 360d
Are you? I didn't see it. If you're trying to make the opposite point, why don't you cherry pick the other way. Let's see what you've got or if this headline is just bullshit.
I'm currently running 50/50 windows/Ubuntu. I'm no Windows fanboy. But I'm also a software dev and I understand deprecating useless shit, something Windows doesn't do much of.
TunaLobster@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 360d
IMO, the Windows Subsystems is kind of cool. WSL 1 used it too.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File%3AWindows_2000_architecture.svg
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au · 1 pts · 360d
BehavioralClam@lemmy.ml · 14 pts · 360d
This was an issue that appeared when writing heavy files to disks (50gb+), so people that werent doing it were safe. And don't worry, its a matter of when LOL. I was a windows "virgin" until one day my system drive appeared encrypted and locked by bitlocker when I never activated it, nor had any recovery key.
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au · -2 pts · 360d
That’s not how it works lol. It doesn’t just randomly encrypt your hdd and lock you out lol. User error.
Hubi@feddit.org · 8 pts · 360d
I know people who were affected when a Windows 10 update just straight up deleted all personal files in 2020.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2020/02/19/new-windows-10-update-starts-causing-serious-problems/
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au · -3 pts · 360d
Cool story, I’m sure no one using Linux has ever lost any data ever.
Ugurcan@lemmy.world · -45 pts · 361d
So you mean losing your data on Linux not easy as rm -rd?
BluescreenOfDeath@lemmy.world · 70 pts · 361d
"You mean if I delete data, then it's gone? No matter what platform?"
Sidhean@lemmy.world · 51 pts · 361d
Updating windows is not a command that deletes your data
suicidaleggroll@lemmy.world · 58 pts · 361d
I mean, it shouldn't be, but apparently it is
InnerScientist@lemmy.world · 42 pts · 361d
rm -rf is way more difficult than doing literally nothing, yes.
TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 360d
There is a difference between telling your computer to delete something and the computer complying, and doing a windows update only to find it's corrupted your data or straight up killed your disk.
I'm not going to get angry when I tell my PC to delete a file and it actually does it.
ChicoSuave@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 361d
Linux treats users like a person and Windows treats users like children. Be the person Linux trusts you to be.
bookmeat@lemmynsfw.com · 16 pts · 361d
Windows treats users like a product.
YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today · 7 pts · 361d
Cause we are to them. We are nothing more than monetized eye balls.
enumerator4829@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 361d
Should do the trick. (Obviously don’t try it unless you know what you are doing and know what may happen when it hits your EFI variables.)
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 9 pts · 361d
Not with GNU rm, no.
LupertEverett@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 360d
I love how people immediately downvoted you to hell for this lmfao.
Like yeah, the guys on the comments: only people use rm -rf, absolutely no scripts use it at all. Something like motherfucking STEAM absolutely didn't remove people's data that one time. And hey, their so beloved
--no-preserve-rootdidn't prevent that from happening. :DI love and currently use Linux, but my GOD some Linux people are annoying.
If something like
del C:\*.*somehow ended up deleting your D: drive too, we wouldn't stop hearing the end of it, but here on Linux systems, it is a perfectly normal thing, and people somehow DEFEND this atrocity lmfao.rm shouldn't exist at its current form. Full stop.
RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world · 121 pts · 361d
How's that vibe coding working out for ya?
PlexSheep@infosec.pub · 63 pts · 361d
Didn't they proudly say how much of windows is AI generated slop code a few months ago?
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 27 pts · 361d
I think it has more to do with the new atomic update and their now-usual not-testing aproach.
Wispy2891@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 361d
It looks like finally after almost ten years they will complete the dark mode on windows. But some buttons will still be with the light theme, they ran out of ai credits and need to wait for next month to replenish the free tier
tekato@lemmy.world · 52 pts · 361d
The reporter’s own “test” proves this is caused by faulty drives unable to sustain the speed they advertise, not Windows.
muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works · 33 pts · 361d
Are you suggesting the drives are accessed more slowly before this update?
ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 360d
Maybe ? I know R/W speeds used to be a lot slower in Windows than Linux but I thought they fixed that a few years ago.
kadup@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 360d
That's mostly related to Windows Defender intercepting reads and writes and hasn't truly been fixed.
Sometimes it's literally faster to read a database using WSL than the native system.
tatterdemalion@programming.dev · 5 pts · 360d
Why would IO speed be a factor in whether a user's data is corrupted? That just sounds like a race condition.
db2@lemmy.world · 40 pts · 361d
Actual footage of Windows 11 24H2 corrupting your data
tanisnikana@lemmy.world · 33 pts · 361d
If I was a librarian and my card catalog started exploding, I would have a fit. Those are not easy to put together.
atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 361d
Yeah but luckily by the mid 80s it was completely digitized and just there in the basement for reference.
0x0@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 361d
That's not my data.
Scotty_Trees@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 360d
what movie is this from? I feel like I've seen it before many, many years ago.
frostysauce@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 360d
The original Ghostbusters.
User79185@discuss.tchncs.de · 31 pts · 360d
WHY ARE YOU NOT UPDATING TO WIN ELEVEN? Hard to recommend this OS without QA.
CancerMancer@sh.itjust.works · 11 pts · 360d
This is a feature imo.
sheogorath@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 359d
Agile has been a mistake for the software industry. It did nothing except to give executive more avenue to force changes to the software that are being developed and in the end it'll take a longer time to have production ready software when compared to traditional waterfall approach.
sykaster@feddit.nl · 2 pts · 359d
It depends on the use case. For incremental changes and validation of hypotheses in an uncertain or new product Agile is great. It allows for fast valuation and fast pivoting. I would not recommend Agile for systems that are mostly known and need a big upgrade, that's not what its for.
Agile became a buzzword and shouldn't have been implemented as widespread as it has. It does have its use cases though.
0ndead@infosec.pub · 26 pts · 361d
“We looked around and could not find other reports resembling such situations. The problem has been reported by a Japanese PC builder and enthusiast and some of the comments on the thread seem to indicate that others there may be experiencing similar issues. So it could be a region-specific thing too”
humanspiral@lemmy.ca · 26 pts · 360d
So you're saying I'll be safe from this if I stick with win 10 past October?
dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 21 pts · 359d
I use arch btw
REDACTED@infosec.pub · 8 pts · 359d
The crowd exhales we know
bhamlin@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 359d
Thanks for letting me know! You're not going to believe this, but I, too, use Arch.
Melonpoly@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 361d
They're using Grok to translate?
einlander@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 361d
They probably used copilot to write the code. It compiled so they shipped it.
ogeist@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 361d
Take that deniers!
lena@gregtech.eu · 19 pts · 360d
Why would you use an LLM to translate text? There are tools made specifically for that
Saleh@feddit.org · 22 pts · 360d
Which are based on LLMs or other neural network models. It is kind of the thing that language models are actually good at.
See DeepL for example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeepL_Translator
lena@gregtech.eu · 14 pts · 360d
Yeah I know they're based on LLMs, but they're more adapted to translation, right?
fishy@lemmy.today · 5 pts · 360d
As someone who's played a few LLM translated games, it is in fact not good at it. There's a lot of contextual hints that get lost and slang terms tend to confuse it. It does make it close enough where a human that doesn't speak/read the original language could easily finish the translation though or still make it through the game.
ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 360d
Honestly, translations are one of the few things LLMs are good for. It can catch things like idioms or other things a machine translator may mistranslate. Though tbf, the main appeal is still live translation.
fossilesque@mander.xyz · 6 pts · 360d
Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 17 pts · 360d
That update made me buy my first Framework laptop! Fuck Microsoft!!
RiceBowl@discuss.tchncs.de · 3 pts · 360d
I love my 13". Does exactly what I need. I kind of want the 12", but I don't really need it. So i'm going to hold off.
Rooty@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 360d
Butbutbutbut Linux is not ready for desktop! I asked a stupid question in an Arch forum and they told me to RTFM! It does not support kernel level anti-cheat! Terminals are scary!
Etc, etc.
Dumhuvud@programming.dev · 10 pts · 360d
Huh, thought you were mentioning only the cons.
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au · -5 pts · 360d
Good luck playing any of the biggest, most played games in the world without it.
Yttra@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 359d
Then I guess they don't exist.
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au · 0 pts · 359d
Unlucky for you then. I’m gonna be having an absolute blast on Battlefield 6 in a few months 😀
vala@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 0 pts · 359d
I very seriously doubt that but cope away haha
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au · 1 pts · 358d
You doubt I'll be having a blast playing Battlefield 6? Why?
vala@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 358d
Why?
Dumhuvud@programming.dev · 0 pts · 359d
Don't give a shit about live service multiplayer PvP-games infested with FOMO battle passes, I'm afraid.
I'm quite content with co-op and singleplayer games, thanks for worrying though.
chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 360d
You jest but would you really install Arch on your grandmother’s PC?
CancerMancer@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 360d
When my wife's grandparents had to get a new computer they got upset about the new windows interface and the fact their old games didn't work, so I set them up with Linux and a DE that resembled XP (it's what they were familiar with), and I was able to get most of their games going.
They used it without issue until they died.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 359d
So you're saying Linux killed your wife's grandparents.
CancerMancer@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 359d
Now that would be a funny headline.
No sadly COVID lockdown isolation did them in. I've never seen minds and bodies decay so fast. I have another friend who developed full-blown psychosis from it too, and at this point it looks like he's never coming back. The lockdowns were harder on some people than we were/are ready to talk about I think.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 359d
Yeah, it's honestly crazy to me because I think lockdowns were a net benefit to me. I was able to spend more time with my SO and kids, I had time for exercise and hobbies since I didn't need to sit in traffic, and I didn't need to spend as much social energy making small talk (I'm introverted). I honestly thrived during COVID. Getting COVID sucked for the week or so I had symptoms, but that was honestly a small price to pay for solitude.
But then I see headlines of people literally going crazy, see a dramatic increase in road rage in my area (which didn't have lockdowns, only social distancing for businesses), and see my own extended family struggling.
I feel so bad for people like your grandparents that suffered. I just personally wish the COVID lifestyle was more accessible.
CancerMancer@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 359d
Same, it suited me quite well and I feel bad saying I missed it because so many others, including some of my own family and friends, suffered. Now that I'm back in the office 5 days a week, I lose >2 hours a day with my kids. I had my own parents say "i don't get why you're complaining, we got by before COVID" while refusing to acknowledge it's different because one of them stayed home with us, while my wife and I must both work to survive.
I grew up in a religious conservative family. These and other experiences drove me to the left in a big way. I see now that thinking we can solve systemic issues with individualism is bullshit. I want a world where my wife or I could stay home (or some communal solution) to raise our family right rather than having a bunch of latchkey kids and being stuck doing chores from the moment we get home until the moment we lie down. Some people say "well that's how I was raised" but it isn't right.
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au · 1 pts · 360d
You couldn’t get windows games working in windows?
drspastic@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 360d
Rooty@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 360d
Depends on her needs. If she uses it for Facebook, no problem, since I'll be admining her system anyways
gian@lemmy.grys.it · 1 pts · 359d
Why not ? I suppose that as long as a browser (and whatever else she need) is working, my grandmother would not need much more. And I could also install a windows11 theme on KDE, if I really want to. A icon is a icon
And in the end I think that my grandmother would be able to mantain neither a window machine, so I don't see the problem.
chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 359d
I think most of the replies to my remark thought I was questioning Linux for grandma overall. I wasn’t. Just Arch. I don’t think grandma needs rolling releases.
gian@lemmy.grys.it · 1 pts · 358d
In my opinion also Arch is usable on grandma desktop.
True, it is a rolling release but I would suppose that on such machine there would not be that many packages installed and if the network is configured correclty (so nothing can connect from the outside) it would be not be a big problem, after all what grandma use is not updated on a daily basis.
chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 358d
But that means she’s not getting security updates and since she’s grandma she really needs them. On the other hand, if you’re automatically upgrading her Arch install then there will be breakage she is hopeless to fix.
So what advantage does Arch offer grandma over a traditional release LTS distribution which will be nice and stable, not breaking or changing unexpectedly on her but still remaining current with security patches?
gian@lemmy.grys.it · 1 pts · 358d
True, but that would be the end result in any case where an update do something wrong or require some sort of manual intervention, it is not strictly tied to Arch. But you have a point here.
Only to have some newer software, but you can also update Arch every once in a while, the fact that it is a rolling release does not mean you need to update every day. The everything will depend on which distro normally uses the person who install the grandma machine
chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 358d
I used Arch for about 7 years. I still have it installed on an old PC but I haven’t used it recently. Every time I told pacman to update everything it felt like an adventure. Never knew if I was going to reboot to a working desktop or to a console printing cryptic error messages that take a while to Google on my phone before I get things back up and running. I wouldn’t wish that experience on my worst enemy’s grandma!
It all comes down to the maintainers of Arch putting all of the responsibility for breakage (especially due to old configuration files) 100% on the user. That’s not a system any normal person should use, that’s a system for Linux hobbyists. A LTS distribution where “don’t break the user’s install no matter what” is the rule is absolutely the only system I’d ever trust for grandma.
It’s fine if you want to assume all responsibility for updating grandma’s system and fixing breakage every time. I don’t have any interest in doing that. If I’m at grandma’s house I want to spend time talking to her, not fixing her computer.
pyre@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 360d
good I'm convinced. just one thing... which graphic design programs does it run natively?
fxdave@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 359d
figma
pyre@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 359d
ok so it's useless
fxdave@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 359d
May I ask what's your job? I'm a web developer completely fine on Linux. I used windows for a long time, I tried mac for some month. Linux is the best.
pyre@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 359d
developer is completely different from designer. I'm a graphic designer, and I also do animations and videos. I use adobe illustrator, photoshop, indesign, premier; affinity designer, photo, blender. I use figma too which is good for prototyping for web or apps, but not graphic design in general. and certainly not photo editing. inb4 gimp--completely unusable for pro work.
fxdave@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 359d
For 3D animations, Modo has linux-x86_64 binary. Blender is native also.
I've never been into 2D animations.
For compositing, The Foundry Nuke is native also. (If you've got the money, or you're willing to buy it from seejeepeers)
For video editing, most youtubers use DaVinci Resolve.
Inkscape is slow as it's using SVG for its backend and not as polished as an illustrator but it is feature-rich. Adwaita icons are designed in inkscape. It's not a big sacrifice.
I learned photoshop when It was the CS4 version. I know it's got a lot of AI features since then. Luckily, I left it before I could get used to them, so now I can use gimp. And btw, check gimp's new release candidate. It's a huge step forward. Everyone could give them their adobe cc subscription fees and we could see how they compete after that.
Why do you use affinity if you have adobe?
pyre@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 359d
i like it much better than adobe. up until a recent update in illustrator it even performed better but now AI seems to have surpassed it. but i find affinity designer's tools much more useful, although there's been a bug that pisses me of with the contour tool for quite a while now. but i tolerate it because overall it still allows me to design icons much faster.
in case you're interested in specifics:
the pixel persona in AD allows me to work on raster images without leaving the program most of the time (not all affinity photo features can be used but still having a limited raster editor mode feels much better and smoother than switching between programs). AI simply doesn't have this in any capacity.
AD's corner tool instead of AI's corner rounding with the direct selection tool is much more capable and useful because it's nondestructive. you can change the original shape with the rounding still applied, which is something you cannot do on AI.
AD's contour tool, despite the bug that doesn't properly round corners when you expand, is still much more fluid to use than AI's extremely clunky, 1998-ass-feeling offset path. apart from not requiring entering fucking numbers into a fucking dialog box and instead allowing you to offset the path with simple scrubbing... it's also nondestructive so it can stay on an object even as you edit its original shape. so i still prefer to do workarounds for the bug rather than dealing with that terrible experience in AI.
gradients are so much better in AD than AI i don't even know where to begin. it's just easier to use and more importantly you can use transparency gradients separately from color gradients (but also can have opacity info on a regular color gradient as well). so you can have an object that goes from 100% blue on the left to 0% green on the right but also add transparency gradient that goes 80% from top right to 20% on the bottom left and see the combination as a result in one object.
AD has "erase" as a blending mode which is small but can be very useful if you're designing something to be exported to png. Has a couple more modes that AI doesn't have but this one's the most straightforward and useful imo.
It's nothing huge but I like the vector crop tool in AD, you can just crop anything without thinking about it.
consistency between programs when using affinity is a great experience you don't get to have when working across Adobe tools which even for the most closely related ones feel like they aren't being developed within the same company but different ... I wanna say planets? yeah it's like they're being developed in different planets instead.
one time payment for major versions only. i bought affinity 1.0, got all the updates for free up until 2.0, which i was able to buy on discount for upgrading. now i get all the updates on 2.x for free.
there are things that AI does better and i use it when i plan to use those, and sometimes use one and copy paste to the other to use the best of each. best highlights are repeat function (Ctrl+d). now there's also radial repeat which can be great. blend can be very useful... most of the time though i go with AD.
helpImTrappedOnline@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 361d
ObsidianZed@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 361d
"You have destroyed the very thing you swore to become" also works.
helpImTrappedOnline@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 361d
I suppose, but reading the article, it seems this was related to a windows defender update. In other words the anti-virus became malware, again.
FalseTautology@lemmy.zip · 11 pts · 361d
Is this an automatic update that I can stop ?
treadful@lemmy.zip · 17 pts · 361d
Dragomus@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 361d
Bah, each time I want to do the manual upgrade from 23h2 I have to postpone it again due to some stupid bug or annoying feature that makes me reconsider doing it.
SnortsGarlicPowder@lemmy.zip · 7 pts · 361d
Again? I swear I saw this a month or two ago.
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 7 pts · 360d
Yet again, I trot out this phrase, as a response to yet another massive Windows fuckup/scandal:
... People are still using Windows?
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au · 6 pts · 360d
Yet again - headline and article are massive overexaggerations, talking about an issue that a few people have had in very specific situations and saying it breaks everyones SSDs/HDDs and might corrupt their data to get people like you to get outraged and spread FUD.
Remember - if even 0.01% of people on Windows 11 get an error with an update, that is like 100k people. A 0.01% error rate is nothing. It's not even worth mentioning. It's not even worth investigating. Sure it sucks for those 100k people, and they'll be complaining to everyone that will listen - but it's not a big issue. That's this. That's this exact thing.
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca · -3 pts · 360d
Wow, with a mentality like that, you're a perfect fit for medical school.
MangioneDontMiss@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 360d
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au · 1 pts · 360d
And you’re a perfect fit for an arts degree with how dumb that equivalency is.
We’re talking about software updates here, not saving lives.
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca · -1 pts · 360d
And you're about as dense as neutronium if you don't get it.
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au · 1 pts · 360d
Doctors try to save everyone, even the 0.01%. Hell, the 0.01% are actually a huge focus.
In software a 0.01% affecting bug in a single one-off update, that needs very specific exact steps to happen, that is already released is at the bottom of the backlog, never to get fixed.
It’s you that clearly doesn’t get “it”. What is your software development background?
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca · 0 pts · 359d
BULLSHIT
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au · 1 pts · 359d
I am all ears as to your logic here lol. Can’t wait to hear this wonderful tale. Please, do tell.
3dcadmin@lemmy.relayeasy.com · 5 pts · 360d
many have to - work from home, have to share data and programs with other workers. There are of course ways around it but I know literally thousands of people who are supplied with a company laptop with windows on it and they have to use it...
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com · -7 pts · 360d
Huh, sounds to me like bad security and data integrity policies/practices from whatever company, probably not very well run places to work for.
3dcadmin@lemmy.relayeasy.com · 7 pts · 360d
You realise that most companies still run on Windows don't you? I'm in the UK and there is around zero companies that use anything else... here they got rid of Macs because of the hassle of supporting them and windows. Plenty of companies won't let you use a Mac to work with either
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com · -4 pts · 360d
Yep I do realize that.
And I still have the same opinion.
You're in the UK, so you're not bound by GDPR... but a whole lot of places and orgs that are bound by GDPR realize that MSFT products indeed are a joke from a data security standpoint, and are actively transitioning to linux or at the very least FOSS software.
I am in the US.
I literally used to work for MSFT, a few of their different locations around Seattle.
They are a fucking insane mess, internally, organizationally.
I worked with people, old timers who'd just casually tell me:
'Oh yeah back before Desert Storm, I was out in Saudi Arabia flashing the BIOS of computer hardware that was bound to be installed in Saddam's C&C and Air Defense Radar networks, some months later when time came for the air sorties, somebody else just flipped a switch and down goes all their radars!'
Aka a supply chain attack.
Aka, unless your definition of 'data security' is 'the NSA has all my data', then MSFT products are rather dubious at providing data security.
Like uh, did your org completely remove Copilot?
... Are you sure about that?
3dcadmin@lemmy.relayeasy.com · 6 pts · 360d
For starters in the UK we ARE bound by GDPR...
But it doesn't matter - you are assuming that companies care in the UK, they don't. You get Windows or Windows. As said a lot of software only runs on Windows, and this will continue until microsoft stop windows, corps don't care. Here in the UK Macs are rare, really really rare, in business. Heck in general use they are rare compared to Windows. Linux is nowhere, under 0.1%. You are literally forced to use Windows if you work for a company. My wife works for a charity and she has to use the company laptop, through the company VPN or else she gets warning and can be sacked... it really is that simple. The company controls what software is installed, even what updates are installed. Here in the UK the NHS buys around 5 million windows machines a year.... just imagine that
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 360d
Well technically its not the same GDPR, but w/e.
Point is:
Much of what MSFT does isn't GDPR compliant, or violates other data security and privacy laws in the EU or elsewhere, or just generally throws privacy and security by the wayside, as a matter of course.
https://www.crowell.com/en/insights/client-alerts/cloud-gdpr-risks-highlighted-by-european-commission-ruling-over-microsoft-365-use
https://ppc.land/irish-court-approves-first-class-action-against-microsoft-rtb-data-breach/
https://www.gadgetreview.com/microsofts-recall-fails-to-protect-sensitive-data
https://www.courthousenews.com/microsoft-must-face-privacy-class-action-over-kaiser-website-data/
This is just a teeny weeny sampling.
If you think MSFT gives a shit about actual data security and privacy, you're not following the just stream of lawsuits they just keep getting into, revolving around these issues.
Yeah if that means 99% of orgs have bad policy, by relying on a company with a terrible record on all this, the, uh then uh yeah, 99% of orgs are choosing to have the ability to blame someone else for their own bad decisions, over making better decisions.
3dcadmin@lemmy.relayeasy.com · 1 pts · 360d
The point is arguing about something when you plainly don't understand how the UK still has GDPR doesn't really validate your opinions in any way shape or form...
The security doesn't matter, nothing other than Windows is used. To move to something else would cost so much that businesses simply cannot sustain that. We now have workers who have had 30 years of only working with Windows.... and new workers only get Windows. Doesn't matter what you or anybody else thinks, or says, it matters little. It is pretty much set in stone that you need Windows and Office in the UK, plus other software to make things like PDF's and documents. You can point anyone towards anything and it just doesn't matter... and here in the UK they don't care about lawsuits, we don't sue first and ask questions later - our legal system is just not setup that way. It is so difficult for other countries to understand, but that kind of approach just doesn't happen, and our legal system takes little notice of legal issues in countries like the US.
MangioneDontMiss@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 360d
GreenShimada@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 360d
Came here to say "Well, maybe they're corrupting your data."
Bennyboybumberchums@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 360d
I use "incontrol" to stop feature updates. And I used win11debloat. Havent had a problem since. In dogshit bloat, no dog shit copilot, no forced updates, no privacy destroying telemetry. Just me and MY windows machine like the old days.
InnerScientist@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 360d
Well yes, but actually this is a security update
Bennyboybumberchums@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 360d
Thank god Ive got control of those too, huh? I offered you all a nice little short cut to make your lives a little easier. And instead, you all moan. Jesus christ.
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au · 0 pts · 360d
And I’m sure you’ll blame Microsoft/windows when things don’t work as expected and you get strange errors because you disabled core features using dodgy software that you don’t understand but think you don’t need them.
Bennyboybumberchums@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 360d
lol Another Reddit user, with nothing to offer but projection. Being in the game 20+ years, matey. If theres problems, I have skills to solve them. Just because you dont know your arse from your elbow, doesnt mean everyone else is the same. Go cry about MS's spyware some place else.
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au · 0 pts · 359d
🤣 literally everything you said is wrong but good try I guess. Only 20+ years? Amateur.
You’re the one crying about their “spyware”, not me. How do you not see that?
Bennyboybumberchums@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 359d
Im not crying about it, as I dont have any of it. Youre the one crying, and shilling, and painting anyone who doesnt bend the knee to them is going to cry without all those amazing core features... Absolute reddit moment.
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au · 0 pts · 359d
Cool imagination you got there kid.
fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.dbzer0.com · -14 pts · 360d
Look at it from the flip side: Linux is so bad people would rather deal with this than deal with Linux.
GreenShimada@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 360d
Meh - people are creatures of habit. To quote a family member "I'm too old to learn a new operating system!" Any change, even over to Mac OS, is rejected by most Windows users. Even when 99.9% of what they do is in a web browser.
Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz · 2 pts · 360d
Every time I try switching to Linux I run into some issue I just cant fix and go back to windows, currently pirated win10 IOT LTSC. Last time it was getting the USB ports to recognize an ESP32, the time before that graphics card drivers, the time before that it would either take ages to boot or not boot at all, the time before that software I couldnt get to run.
Crashumbc@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 360d
Lies! Linux never has issues!
My laptop's Linux install currently isn't corrupt and won't boot, honest!
Disclaimer: I actually like Linux a lot, JFC the windows hate is crazy...
GreenShimada@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 360d
Maybe try another distro? Mint 22.1 works just fine right out of the box, and at this point Claude provides actual support better than scouring 3 forums in case you need small tweaks. Other than some proprietary fingerprint reader I never use, every machine I've used it on has been fine.
You can just do a live install from USB and test it before even installing.
MangoPenguin@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 360d
I don't bother testing using live boot anymore, often hardware will work on the live image but not work after it's installed.
Needing to try random distros is part of my frustration with Linux, I just want one that works out of the box.
GreenShimada@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 360d
OK, well what I'm trying to tell you is that unless you have some exotic hardware, Mint has the reputation of working right out of the box. Not great for gaming, so if that's a deal breaker, then that's it.
fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 360d
Or very recent hardware. 22 is based on Ubuntu 24.04, which shipped with version 6.8 of the kernel which is from March 2024. That excludes all of Nvidia's 50 series, AMDs RX 9000 series, AMDs 9000 series CPUs/boards, Intel's Core 200 series/chipsets, Arc B series GPUs.
Sure your 5090 might boot and display a picture, but that thing aint gonna work right.
zer0bitz@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 360d
Yesterday I got into the process of installing Windows 10 onto my laptop because I am selling it tomorrow. I asked the buyer if he wanted it with an OS or not, and he replied that he wanted Windows 10 Pro. I downloaded the ISO and installed it to one of my M.2 SATA SSD drives with a USB adapter.
Before installing Windows over my Linux installation, I did a SecureErase to wipe out my drive with the Linux installation because that is the SSD I am selling with the computer.
After installing Windows 10 from the M.2 SATA SSD with a USB adapter to the SecureErased drive, I instantly got multiple error messages about SMART checks saying that the SSD was broken/corrupted. I had never seen this POST error message when booting that computer with a Linux installation.
Well, I obviously had to change the drive to another one where I got the Windows installation to work normally without the BIOS POST error message.
I really cannot be sure what caused that. Can SecureErase do that so SMART checks report the drive as corrupted? Or was it the Windows installation?
Eximius@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 360d
SecureErase would overwrite the whole drive (potentially multiple times). So if the ssd was close to dead, it might have just triggered it.
zer0bitz@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 360d
I see. Well the SSD was used and few years old. Some Samsung SSD from a OEM build. I did run SMART tests on it like year ago and it was ok/healthy.
Time to fill it with linux isos and seed them with torrentz until it breaks completely.
Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com · -1 pts · 360d
Hm...Weird way to shift blame.
WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 359d
where is the user error? is this user error with us in the room?
Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 359d
Fully overwriting an SSD is so archaic.
Example from hdparm:
I think the all caps warnings say it all.
This is only for the trim sectors of the disk but I can't imagine it being much different overwriting a whole disk.
Not to mention, as OP said, an old and very used disk.
Quick formatting should be enough to prevent any normal user from extracting meaningful data from the flash storage as only the controller knows how to piece together the flash cells to a file.
If the controller forgets it, the files are toast anyway.
At best write some random data to a quarter of the disk or something lile that.
File recovery may only be possible if you give it to a drive recovery facility. But remember: Those ain't exactly cheap.
A client paid some 4 figure price because an HDD died. Just for a small amount of files.
WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 359d
@zer0bitz@lemmy.world did a SecureErase, which is an entirely different function. It was exactly made to be used in this scenario: user is selling their laptop.
other than that,
hdparm --trim-sector-rangeis most probably only marked dangerous because with a slight miscalculation you can wipe some of your data and you won't even know how much damage you did. I'm pretty sure thefstrimcommand relies on this, which is executed every few weeks on my system, by default. check systemctl status fstrim.timer, maybe on yours too.what do you mean by quick formatting? how do you do that on linux? I have only heard this term with te windows disk management tool.
on windows quick formatting only deletes the partition entry from the partition table. that's why it's quick. all the former data is there and can be easily recovered, given you know the former partition boundaries, which can also be recovered by tools. the ssd controller won't know a thing, it won't forget where it should look for each LBA address.
salasin@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 360d
Uh v lå p.
UncleGrandPa@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 359d
So it's working as planned?
cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 360d
I switched to Mac after my old Asus laptop went out. I figure why bother with a PC laptop, it’s not gonna game and let’s see what the fuss is about. Love my MacBook Air. So then our desktop dies and I give my wife 3 options. A Mac, a cheaper PC, and a more expensive PC. She’s Android, figured she’d want to stick with Windows, but she picked the Mac! So happy. I mostly game on Switch and Xbox these days so that’s fine.
I keep feeling like I left Windows at the right time.
polle@feddit.org · 9 pts · 359d
Being happy for someone switching to mac and being on lemmy where everyone is on the Linux train, was not on my bingo card.
cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 359d
Thanks I guess? Surely Mac and Linux users can be friends or at least allies against Windows. Linux comes from UNIX which macOS is based on so they’re very similar, only one is FOSS — which I suppose is the point — and the other is not. But another commonality — Macs and PCs can both run Linux.
JackbyDev@programming.dev · 2 pts · 359d
Unix unity. Linux 💜 Mac 💜 BSD
DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 360d
I feel you may be boarding a different sinking ship: https://youtu.be/JUG1PlqAUJk
I have been using Linux Mint for over half a year now, and besides gaming, I had no issues with a great experience. Had very bad experience with other Linux distros.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 359d
How does Apple's profitability being a little less than it used to be (they're still insanely profitable) imply that it's a "sinking ship"?
I'm a Linux user as well, but use macOS at work and it's fine.
DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 359d
Did you watch the video or are you guessing based on the thumbnail? Because the video isn't about Apples profitability.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 359d
I watched the first minute or so, which was about their stock price relative to Microsoft. Profitability is a huge part of a company's stock price.
I didn't watch the rest because I'm not going to watch a 30 min video without a good reason to.
DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 359d
TL;DR: Under Jobs, Apple focused on engineering products and the profitability and stock price followed. Under Cook, Apple focuses on stock price (dividends, stock buybacks) and is massively cutting R&D/Engineering costs to the point they did not release anything really new for years and their projects keep failing while also increasing prices. E.g. Siri that is unable to catch up to modern chatbots.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 359d
Sure, that's an argument for why the stock price is suffering, not for why macOS is in danger. Apple is still massively profitable, the stock price just reflects the market's perception that profits won't increase as fast as their competitors.
DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 359d
Again, why are you so over focused on stock price? As a consumer, how is the first thing you take away from lack of innovation and engineering failures that Apples stock price may suffer and not that the machine you are buying may be sub-par and overpriced?
bassgirl09@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 359d
The 24H2 update would not install on a brand new prebuilt PC that I bought for my parents. I contacted both the manufacturer and Microsoft and spent too many hours troubleshooting before I gave up and returned it to where I bought it as defective. Back to the drawing board for a replacement PC for my parents.
nuko147@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 360d
Thank god i blocked windows updates and only allowed security updates for 23H2...
Buddahriffic@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 361d
Can't they just offer access to your data back at a discounted rate compared to what they charge their data partners for it?
altphoto@lemmy.today · 0 pts · 361d
It got me!. I turn crypto services off and it keeps turning back on. What a pain in the ass!