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My Dinner With Adolf
Larry David / The New York Times
4 - 5 minutes
Imagine my surprise when in the spring of 1939 a letter arrived at my house inviting me to dinner at the Old Chancellery with the world’s most reviled man, Adolf Hitler. I had been a vocal critic of his on the radio from the beginning, pretty much predicting everything he was going to do on the road to dictatorship. No one I knew encouraged me to go. “He’s Hitler. He’s a monster.” But eventually I concluded that hate gets us nowhere. I knew I couldn’t change his views, but we need to talk to the other side — even if it has invaded and annexed other countries and committed unspeakable crimes against humanity.
Two weeks later, I found myself on the front steps of the Old Chancellery and was led into an opulent living room, where a few of the Führer’s most vocal supporters had gathered: Himmler, Göring, Leni Riefenstahl and the Duke of Windsor, formerly King Edward VIII. We talked about some of the beautiful art on the walls that had been taken from the homes of Jews. But our conversation ended abruptly when we heard loud footsteps coming down the hallway. Everyone stiffened as Hitler entered the room.
He was wearing a tan suit with a swastika armband and gave me an enthusiastic greeting that caught me off guard. Frankly, it was a warmer greeting than I normally get from my parents, and it was accompanied by a slap on my back. I found the whole thing quite disarming. I joked that I was surprised to see him in a tan suit because if he wore that out, it would be perceived as un-Führer-like. That amused him to no end, and I realized I’d never seen him laugh before. Suddenly he seemed so human. Here I was, prepared to meet Hitler, the one I’d seen and heard — the public Hitler. But this private Hitler was a completely different animal. And oddly enough, this one seemed more authentic, like this was the real Hitler. The whole thing had my head spinning.
He said he was starving and led us into the dining room, where he gestured for me to sit next to him. Göring immediately grabbed a slice of pumpernickel, whereupon Hitler turned to me, gave me an eye roll, then whispered, “Watch. He’ll be done with his entire meal before you’ve taken two bites.” That one really got me. Göring, with his mouth full, asked what was so funny, and Hitler said, “I was just telling him about the time my dog had diarrhea in the Reichstag.” Göring remembered. How could he forget? He loved that story, especially the part where Hitler shot the dog before it got back into the car. Then a beaming Hitler said, “Hey, if I can kill Jews, Gypsies and homosexuals, I can certainly kill a dog!” That perhaps got the biggest laugh of the night — and believe me, there were plenty.
But it wasn’t just a one-way street, with the Führer dominating the conversation. He was quite inquisitive and asked me a lot of questions about myself. I told him I had just gone through a brutal breakup with my girlfriend because every time I went someplace without her, she was always insistent that I tell her everything I talked about. I can’t stand having to remember every detail of every conversation. Hitler said he could relate — he hated that, too. “What am I, a secretary?” He advised me it was best not to have any more contact with her or else I’d be right back where I started and eventually I’d have to go through the whole thing all over again. I said it must be easy for a dictator to go through a breakup. He said, “You’d be surprised. There are still feelings.” Hmm … there are still feelings. That really resonated with me. We’re not that different, after all. I thought that if only the world could see this side of him, people might have a completely different opinion.
Two hours later, the dinner was over, and the Führer escorted me to the door. “I am so glad to have met you. I hope I’m no longer the monster you thought I was.” “I must say, mein Führer, I’m so thankful I came. Although we disagree on many issues, it doesn’t mean that we have to hate each other.” And with that, I gave him a Nazi salute and walked out into the night.
The Prime Minister's Office (PMO) said Roberts is speaking to cabinet about trade issues because he knows the Trump administration's playbook.
Roberts's book Dawn's Early Light: Taking Back Washington to Save America includes a foreword written by U.S. Vice-President JD Vance
The PMO added it would be beneficial for cabinet to hear Roberts's perspective and understand the White House's priorities as the government prepares for the Canada-U.S.-Mexico Agreement (CUSMA) review next year.
Even a top Trudeau advisor is openly telling the press that it's "mind-boggling" he was invited. At least 2 MPs and a Liberal party staffer are also speaking out. It's indefensible, and I have to seriously question the motives and principles of anyone trying to defend it.
Our exports dropped 19% in Q2 this year. Diversifying 1/5th of our trade will take long enough that the responsible thing to do is salvage what trade we can from the USA in the interim.
There's a world of difference between buyCanadian and wefuckingneedourexportsguys.
“Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer”. Carney has a long and distinguished career in finance and politics. He is in complete control with whom he meets. Carney is buying time and setting up alternate trade outside of USSA. This takes time.
He's in complete control of who he meets, but the way the article headline is framing it is irresponsible IMO.
As you said, Carney is setting up alternative trade partners. I'd assume part of his diversification strategy is to identify what aspects of trade specifically we need to divert away from the US due to Trump.
Can you elaborate on the "authorize" portion? This is all that's in the article regarding why the person is speaking at the event.
Roberts is speaking to Carney's cabinet during a session dubbed "establishing a new economic and security relationship with the U.S." They will also hear from Kevin Rudd, Australia's ambassador to the U.S., during the session.
The Prime Minister's Office (PMO) said Roberts is speaking to cabinet about trade issues because he knows the Trump administration's playbook.
The Prime Minister's Office (PMO) said Roberts is speaking to cabinet about trade issues because he knows the Trump administration's playbook.
And what exactly is this guy's motivation to share that information with us? Just out of the kindness of his heart? The guy quoted in this very article as saying the US was in the midst of a,
"second American Revolution, which will remain bloodless if the left allows it to be."
Yeah, that's a stand up guy who I definitely trust to tell me the truth. Come the fuck on.
Of course you don't take anything they say at face value, but keeping track of what they emphasise, what they downplay, and how that changes over time can give you some notion of where their weak points are. Don't listen to what they're saying, listen to what they're trying to hide.
In the end, though, what we want is to keep the Americans talking, rather than shooting at us. Each diplomatic conversation buys time until they either course-correct or collapse into civil war. And if that requires some MPs to sit through a dramatic reading of Trump partisan trash while not visibly rolling their eyes, well, they're being paid well enough for it. There's a big difference between keeping someone talking and letting yourself be persuaded by them. (People like Danielle Smith don't need to be persuaded over to the evil side—they were on that side from the get-go.)
Never a good reason, it only delays bad shit until it’s even worse and cripples the opposition you wanted all along. Strategic voting is dogshit in every way.
Whatever alternative you're thinking of is unworkable. Nor am I convinced any other party would do something different, given our vulnerable position, except to maybe genuinely entertain further integration.
Theil is behind project 2025 and is the child rapist trumps puppeteer. There is no reason in the universe to invite that vile scum. If he does I am writing Carney off 100%.
Yeah the guy who ran on opposing Trump and supporting workers who immediately folded to Trump and ratfucked the flight attendants definitely deserves the benefit of the doubt.
I'll join you in that chant when I'm convinced it's not a gross oversimplification that ignores developments not covered in the media.
As much as I'd rather socialist domestic policies, I acknowledge that in realpolitik terms we don't exist in a void or have the luxury of ignoring the influence of neo-fascists like the USA.
Lol yeah you're right, it's cool, just inviting the author of a document so heinous that even Donald fucking Trump had to distance himself from it in order to get elected, totally normal
When asked during the campaign if Project 2025 was his agenda, Trump said he had never heard of it. This was widely reported, so I'm not sure why you're confused about what I wrote
there’s two things that EVERYONE should be able to recognize about Trump, but really just boils down to one simple fact : he always says the opposite of what is true.
when he says “nobody knows more about this than me,” what he REALLY means is “i am completely clueless about this subject”
when he says “never heard of it,” he is VERY involved.
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wirebeads@lemmy.ca · 51 pts · 340d
If Carney fucks us, I’m going to be rightly fucking pissed.
If this is a meeting for discovery, OK. If this is a meeting to engage them more, fuck off.
This closed door meeting better have some public relay once it’s over a good solid cabinet member can leak the details.
This does not sit well with me.
n4ch1sm0@piefed.social · 21 pts · 340d
Reminds me of that satire post Larry David did when Bill Mahar thought it was a good idea to have dinner with Trump
https://www.rsn.org/001/my-dinner-with-adolf.html
Jarix@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 338d
Link wasnt working so here's the article (only tried to enter HTTPS:// for some reason)
My Dinner With Adolf
Larry David / The New York Times
4 - 5 minutes
Imagine my surprise when in the spring of 1939 a letter arrived at my house inviting me to dinner at the Old Chancellery with the world’s most reviled man, Adolf Hitler. I had been a vocal critic of his on the radio from the beginning, pretty much predicting everything he was going to do on the road to dictatorship. No one I knew encouraged me to go. “He’s Hitler. He’s a monster.” But eventually I concluded that hate gets us nowhere. I knew I couldn’t change his views, but we need to talk to the other side — even if it has invaded and annexed other countries and committed unspeakable crimes against humanity.
Two weeks later, I found myself on the front steps of the Old Chancellery and was led into an opulent living room, where a few of the Führer’s most vocal supporters had gathered: Himmler, Göring, Leni Riefenstahl and the Duke of Windsor, formerly King Edward VIII. We talked about some of the beautiful art on the walls that had been taken from the homes of Jews. But our conversation ended abruptly when we heard loud footsteps coming down the hallway. Everyone stiffened as Hitler entered the room.
He was wearing a tan suit with a swastika armband and gave me an enthusiastic greeting that caught me off guard. Frankly, it was a warmer greeting than I normally get from my parents, and it was accompanied by a slap on my back. I found the whole thing quite disarming. I joked that I was surprised to see him in a tan suit because if he wore that out, it would be perceived as un-Führer-like. That amused him to no end, and I realized I’d never seen him laugh before. Suddenly he seemed so human. Here I was, prepared to meet Hitler, the one I’d seen and heard — the public Hitler. But this private Hitler was a completely different animal. And oddly enough, this one seemed more authentic, like this was the real Hitler. The whole thing had my head spinning.
He said he was starving and led us into the dining room, where he gestured for me to sit next to him. Göring immediately grabbed a slice of pumpernickel, whereupon Hitler turned to me, gave me an eye roll, then whispered, “Watch. He’ll be done with his entire meal before you’ve taken two bites.” That one really got me. Göring, with his mouth full, asked what was so funny, and Hitler said, “I was just telling him about the time my dog had diarrhea in the Reichstag.” Göring remembered. How could he forget? He loved that story, especially the part where Hitler shot the dog before it got back into the car. Then a beaming Hitler said, “Hey, if I can kill Jews, Gypsies and homosexuals, I can certainly kill a dog!” That perhaps got the biggest laugh of the night — and believe me, there were plenty.
But it wasn’t just a one-way street, with the Führer dominating the conversation. He was quite inquisitive and asked me a lot of questions about myself. I told him I had just gone through a brutal breakup with my girlfriend because every time I went someplace without her, she was always insistent that I tell her everything I talked about. I can’t stand having to remember every detail of every conversation. Hitler said he could relate — he hated that, too. “What am I, a secretary?” He advised me it was best not to have any more contact with her or else I’d be right back where I started and eventually I’d have to go through the whole thing all over again. I said it must be easy for a dictator to go through a breakup. He said, “You’d be surprised. There are still feelings.” Hmm … there are still feelings. That really resonated with me. We’re not that different, after all. I thought that if only the world could see this side of him, people might have a completely different opinion.
Two hours later, the dinner was over, and the Führer escorted me to the door. “I am so glad to have met you. I hope I’m no longer the monster you thought I was.” “I must say, mein Führer, I’m so thankful I came. Although we disagree on many issues, it doesn’t mean that we have to hate each other.” And with that, I gave him a Nazi salute and walked out into the night.
saigot@lemmy.ca · 14 pts · 340d
Ostensibly, that's why:
CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org · 4 pts · 339d
He's probably meeting them as flattery.
HikingVet@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 339d
Well, unless there is more to it for Canada other than a "good conversation" it's a fucking waste and a spit in the eye.
CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org · 3 pts · 339d
If it keeps them from doing anything worse for a little while, I fully appreciate Carney sitting through a speech by another blowhard.
HikingVet@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 339d
This isn't just another blowhard. This dude is from the heritage foundation and was a key figure in writing project 2025.
This asshole is on the same level as Geobbels and the like.
CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org · -1 pts · 338d
Honestly, I think I might characterise Goebbels, propaganda minister, as a blowhard as well.
How much we don't like a particular blowhard is kind of irrelevant here.
patatas@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 338d
Even a top Trudeau advisor is openly telling the press that it's "mind-boggling" he was invited. At least 2 MPs and a Liberal party staffer are also speaking out. It's indefensible, and I have to seriously question the motives and principles of anyone trying to defend it.
https://sh.itjust.works/post/45477858
CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org · -1 pts · 337d
Oh no, I wouldn't want you to seriously question me! /s
OliveMoon@lemmy.ca · -6 pts · 340d
Geezus. Why do you immediately think the worst? Maybe Carney wants to put this BS to bed. Is it so hard to believe he’s not in cahoots?
Jhex@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 340d
yes, trust is earned, not pressumed
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 339d
Have you seen the border security bill?
Canconda@lemmy.ca · 46 pts · 340d
I don't like that it's closed doors, but I question the framing of this article.
Like clearly Canada needs to keep negotiations with the USA open and Carney is not in control of who Trump authorizes to speak for the USA.
ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca · 25 pts · 340d
I don’t want that.
OliveMoon@lemmy.ca · 15 pts · 340d
They need time. Canada IS setting up trade with other nations. It’s not going to happen overnight...
Canconda@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 339d
Our exports dropped 19% in Q2 this year. Diversifying 1/5th of our trade will take long enough that the responsible thing to do is salvage what trade we can from the USA in the interim.
There's a world of difference between buyCanadian and wefuckingneedourexportsguys.
OliveMoon@lemmy.ca · 11 pts · 340d
“Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer”. Carney has a long and distinguished career in finance and politics. He is in complete control with whom he meets. Carney is buying time and setting up alternate trade outside of USSA. This takes time.
HikingVet@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 339d
ganryuu@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 339d
Union of Soviet Socialist Americas?
HikingVet@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 339d
Yeah which is weird because they are the turd Reich
eatCasserole@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 339d
I was thinking United SchutzStaffel of America.
HikingVet@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 339d
That makes some sense. But it's a bit of a deep cut.
eatCasserole@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 338d
TBH I had to look up what it stands for, but lots of people know of "the SS" in the context of Nazi Germany.
patatas@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 338d
Yeah telltale sign of the Blue MAGA folks who somehow thing Russia is still communist or something lol
Canconda@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 339d
He's in complete control of who he meets, but the way the article headline is framing it is irresponsible IMO.
As you said, Carney is setting up alternative trade partners. I'd assume part of his diversification strategy is to identify what aspects of trade specifically we need to divert away from the US due to Trump.
SamuelRJankis@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 340d
Can you elaborate on the "authorize" portion? This is all that's in the article regarding why the person is speaking at the event.
kent_eh@lemmy.ca · 38 pts · 340d
He knows that playbook because he was in the room when it was written.
I hope this meeting is not what it looks like on the surface.
There is no part of the heritage foundation agenda that I want to have any influence in Canada.
Jarix@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 338d
It already does have influence in Canada, PP and Alberta are the biggest threats because of this.
If taking to this jagoff makes it easier to deal with The Trump administration, that's a good thing. Forewarned is forearmed
I'm fortunately that's the rose coloured glasses version of this meeting though.
I hate this timeline
grte@lemmy.ca · 30 pts · 339d
And what exactly is this guy's motivation to share that information with us? Just out of the kindness of his heart? The guy quoted in this very article as saying the US was in the midst of a,
Yeah, that's a stand up guy who I definitely trust to tell me the truth. Come the fuck on.
FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca · 24 pts · 340d
Carney meeting with the nazis
Reannlegge@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 340d
If you are at meeting that has a nazi, you are at a meeting between nazi’s.
Just like if you are at a gathering and there is a nazi there, you are at a meeting between nazi’s.
generallynonsensical@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 340d
patatas@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 340d
Oh, and I suppose the enemy is going to give you good info?
This is nonsense. You don't sit down with fascists. Easiest rule. This is unconscionable.
nyan@lemmy.cafe · 6 pts · 339d
Of course you don't take anything they say at face value, but keeping track of what they emphasise, what they downplay, and how that changes over time can give you some notion of where their weak points are. Don't listen to what they're saying, listen to what they're trying to hide.
In the end, though, what we want is to keep the Americans talking, rather than shooting at us. Each diplomatic conversation buys time until they either course-correct or collapse into civil war. And if that requires some MPs to sit through a dramatic reading of Trump partisan trash while not visibly rolling their eyes, well, they're being paid well enough for it. There's a big difference between keeping someone talking and letting yourself be persuaded by them. (People like Danielle Smith don't need to be persuaded over to the evil side—they were on that side from the get-go.)
Gnumile@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 338d
Tell them you won't meet with them, that should smooth everything over!
patatas@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 338d
Even a top Trudeau advisor is telling the press that it's "mind-boggling" that he was invited
https://sh.itjust.works/post/45477858
patatas@sh.itjust.works · 18 pts · 340d
The next person that says "strategic voting" within earshot is getting knocked out, I swear to god. This is so beyond the pale
Soup@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 340d
Amen.
Never a good reason, it only delays bad shit until it’s even worse and cripples the opposition you wanted all along. Strategic voting is dogshit in every way.
CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org · 3 pts · 339d
Strategic voting.
Whatever alternative you're thinking of is unworkable. Nor am I convinced any other party would do something different, given our vulnerable position, except to maybe genuinely entertain further integration.
SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 339d
Nothing will meaningfully improve until the rich fear for their lives
asg101@lemmy.ca · 13 pts · 339d
Capitulating Capitalist Carney will always put monied interests above those of the people. Once a banker, always a banker.
Awkwardparticle@programming.dev · 1 pts · 338d
asg101@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 338d
Why me pointing out Carney's allegiance to money somehow makes you think I would ever support pp is even more delusional mania.
corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 338d
He's no Polyestre, that's for sure. Phew.
Bebopalouie@lemmy.ca · 12 pts · 340d
Theil is behind project 2025 and is the child rapist trumps puppeteer. There is no reason in the universe to invite that vile scum. If he does I am writing Carney off 100%.
Fuck.
Edit typo
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 340d
Y’know you keep giving them handouts, they’ll keep coming back.
kandoh@reddthat.com · 8 pts · 339d
"The best thing you can do is capitulate, it'll totally work against the
bullyPresident this time"There, that's what his speech will be.
CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org · 5 pts · 339d
And hopefully they nod and smile, and he goes back and reports they've contained us so we can buy some more time.
Everyone's getting their pitchforks out, but I'd be doing the exact same thing as PM right now.
betanumerus@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 340d
rabber@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 340d
its clearly a big brain ambush move and they'll take him as ransom
BreadOven@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 340d
Maybe he'll get shot and killed?
Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 340d
Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer.
anachronist@midwest.social · 15 pts · 340d
Yeah the guy who ran on opposing Trump and supporting workers who immediately folded to Trump and ratfucked the flight attendants definitely deserves the benefit of the doubt.
CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org · 1 pts · 339d
Folding would be a move towards actually becoming the 51st state. He's given a few token concessions.
Probably just to buy time. I'd be doing the same in his shoes, anyway.
HikingVet@lemmy.ca · -2 pts · 340d
Capitulation Carney.
Canconda@lemmy.ca · 16 pts · 340d
I'll join you in that chant when I'm convinced it's not a gross oversimplification that ignores developments not covered in the media.
As much as I'd rather socialist domestic policies, I acknowledge that in realpolitik terms we don't exist in a void or have the luxury of ignoring the influence of neo-fascists like the USA.
patatas@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 340d
You: Maybe we can sit down with fascists just a bit
Randomgal@lemmy.ca · 0 pts · 340d
You are acting like they are signing a weapons deal.
Do you want Canada to close its US embassies too?
Real life isn't black and white.
patatas@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 340d
Lol yeah you're right, it's cool, just inviting the author of a document so heinous that even Donald fucking Trump had to distance himself from it in order to get elected, totally normal
Randomgal@lemmy.ca · -6 pts · 340d
Damn, glad he distanced himself, wouldn't want them to think Donny has bad friends.
Wtf are you even saying? Lol.
patatas@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 340d
When asked during the campaign if Project 2025 was his agenda, Trump said he had never heard of it. This was widely reported, so I'm not sure why you're confused about what I wrote
bdot@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 339d
there’s two things that EVERYONE should be able to recognize about Trump, but really just boils down to one simple fact : he always says the opposite of what is true.
when he says “nobody knows more about this than me,” what he REALLY means is “i am completely clueless about this subject”
when he says “never heard of it,” he is VERY involved.
Randomgal@lemmy.ca · -1 pts · 339d
Oh damn. You're right. That's what known liar, felon and rapist said. How could anyone doubt him?
lost_faith@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 339d
When I first said this about him I was hoping he was just playing the long game, getting less and less sure