Hypothetically, if governments wordwide just suddenly became authoritarian and deleted all records of history, you and some survivors escape to a remote area outside of government control, they all can't remember much from history (either didn't pay attwntion in class, or suffers memory loss from the governemtn attacks) and so you are designated as this community's official historian. How much can you remember? What's gonna be the official narrative of your little rebel community?
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TheLeadenSea@sh.itjust.works · 34 pts · 362d
The government doesn't control all the information. I'll still have my offline copy of Wikipedia, on my phone, that contains a lot of the world's history. Apart from that I just remember some mythology, some stuff about the Sumerians, Egyptians, Greeks, Romans, Incas, British, Americans, and Indians, plus a reasonable understanding of WW2 and the holocaust, plus various historical events that have happened in my lifetime.
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 362d
This hypothetical is assuming you are in an active warzone (think like 1984's world) and have no time to find your stuff, or you just accidentally drop it while running away from government troops.
You just had to run until you find a safe place (like a secret underground bunker or something) and have nothing on you beside your memories.
5too@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 362d
While I understand it doesn't quite fit the scenario, it does strike me as a good way to preserve "lost information" in a similar situation. Pair that with a solar charger (or even improvise something like a pedal charger), and you're pretty set for a lot of basic information people would struggle to reconstruct.
Anivia@feddit.org · 2 pts · 361d
Some ebook readers have a microsd card slot, so you could fit an offline copy of Wikipedia on a device with half a year of battery life (in airplane mode)
wolframhydroxide@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 360d
Congratulations, you've just written a quarter of the plot of the Book of Eli with Denzel Washington
KokusnussRitter@discuss.tchncs.de · 22 pts · 362d
A lot less than I think I could
Eq0@literature.cafe · 21 pts · 362d
That’s the ending of Fahrenheit 451!
For me, the risk is remembering things that are factually wrong. With no one to correct me, I would be worried about getting stuff wrong the whole time
grrgyle@slrpnk.net · 4 pts · 362d
And the beginning of A Canticle for Leibowitz!
Eq0@literature.cafe · 3 pts · 362d
Amazing book
MTK@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 361d
"Look kid, all you need to know is that up until 2016 the world was simpler, but then they killed a gorilla which lead to the rise of fascism in 2025"
MintyFresh@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 361d
RIP Hambe. He was the best of us.
topherclay@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 361d
Dance off for hambe
BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 361d
This is why books are so important. Real, physical, paper books. The scenario you are proposing is precisely what Fahrenheit 451 is about.
AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 361d
Funnily enough RB, the author of F451, insists that everyone else is wrong, and that book is actually about falling literacy rates due to television viewership.
BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 361d
The book is prescient as hell. He saw the natural consequences of that reality and followed it to it’s logical, inevitable ends. He may not have intended for the book to be about censorship, but censorship is an unavoidable, inevitable outcome for a society in which most people are uneducated, uninformed, ambivalent ignoramuses. There will always be someone to take advantage of them and to make sure that advantage is defended.
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 361d
How do I print the 100GB English Wikipedia?
How do I even transport something that big without the authoritarian governmwnt noticing?
SomethingBurger@jlai.lu · 8 pts · 361d
MudMan@fedia.io · 4 pts · 361d
"Print"?
I mean, you're in a fascist global dystopia and you're gonna get picky about formats? I can carry a copy of Wikipedia in a SD card the size of my pinky nail, and I know because I have one. Who are these hipster kids that look at my Wonder Phone of Truth and go "well, this would be a lot easier on my eyeballs if you got me a paperback edition".
clutchtwopointzero@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 361d
the catch is that the Fahrenheit 451 scenario nowadays just require a storage device to fail... very ecological, Greta must approve it
NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone · 14 pts · 361d
I’d remember that the Undertaker threw Mankind off the top of Hell In A Cell and through the commentator’s table.
WindyRebel@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 361d
In 1998 no less. Also, he plummeted 16 feet! Bah God!
RedPandaRaider@feddit.org · 13 pts · 362d
This is not much of a hypothetical scenario. History is being written with a bias or outright misrepresentation and has been forever.
BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca · 12 pts · 361d
I literally have multiple copies of Wikipedia offline. Including one on a USB stick.
I don't think it would ever be possible to delete all records of history short of blowing up the entire planet at which point its quite moot.
TrojanRoomCoffeePot@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 362d
rotates chair to glance at collection of hard copy encyclopedias & encyclopedic dictionary
Aeao@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 362d
Me personally?
A lot but summarized to hilarious extent. Example:
So mosses was like “guys I found a stream!” And god was like “the fuck you find?” And Moses was like “I mean god provided me a stream”
God was like “yeah it’s fine… the book i gave you described me as a chill god right? Not a jealous vengeful god… this is totally settled”
Then they arrived at the promised land and god was like “you can all stay here! Except mosses… he can fuck off to the stream he totally found”
Anyway my point is it wouldn’t be one person remembering all of history. It would be like f 451 where everyone remembers one book or one bit of history.
TheLunatickle@lemmy.zip · 10 pts · 362d
If you think the tale of mosses is real history then we really are screwed.
alcibiades@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 361d
It’s not necessarily a real historical event, but an incredibly important story about liberation of the oppressed that influenced countless real historical movements.
Herodotus’ histories is mostly fictional but you wouldn’t want to forget it. Same with the Iliad/Odyssey, Epic of Gilgamesh, etc
TheLunatickle@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 361d
Fair, but the context that they are not real historical events is critical.
Aeao@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 361d
I’d argue if you taught someone history and never mentioned the Bible you’ve left out an important chunk of history.
Besides it’s about as whimsical and fantastical as all history of that time period was.
wirelesswire@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 362d
I can't wait to read the New Aeao Version of the Holy Bible.
Aeao@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 361d
I thought of making a YouTube series where I summarize the whole bible like that lol book by book.
I also regularly summarize history to my kids like that. You should hear my Texas independence story lol
scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech · 8 pts · 362d
The clear soda craze was the defining point of the 1990s. That's about it.
P00ptart@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 362d
There were troll dolls too.
scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech · 2 pts · 362d
Truly the age of enlightenment
MintyFresh@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 361d
And garbage pail kids
MyDarkestTimeline01@ani.social · 7 pts · 362d
I have a stack of Encyclopedia Britannica in my parents storage.
Hupf@feddit.org · 1 pts · 361d
I have a stack of the Animorphs in my attic. Yours is just speculative fiction.
MyDarkestTimeline01@ani.social · 1 pts · 361d
.......huh?
Hupf@feddit.org · 1 pts · 361d
How would you prove that your books reflect the true history?
MyDarkestTimeline01@ani.social · 2 pts · 361d
Ok, I see what you mean. Counterpoint: how could/would anyone? If someone wanted to have "faith" enough they could feasibly handwave away anything that didn't jive with what they wanted the past to be. And in a situation where cross referencing would be nigh on impossible? I mean....I've got nothing. "Trust me bro."
wolframhydroxide@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 360d
Yeah, I have curated my library to be focused on the history of science, with special focus on the sorts of books which include information necessary to bring society to the technological equivalent of the age of reason (with extra chemistry and medicine). At that point, it's mostly practical, and the practicality of the source speaks to the likely authenticity of other texts within the collection.
frostysauce@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 362d
All records of history have been deleted.
MyDarkestTimeline01@ani.social · 3 pts · 361d
Like others, I question the ability to delete a book. And while a regime would be able to change digital literature easily, and educational literature like school books being a close second; changing a book in someone's storage unit is a lot harder.
It also handwaves away the other ways we keep history as well. Would people's family photo albums be deleted? What about a great grandma's diary? In some rural areas the family bible has some insanely well kept family records.
bradorsomething@ttrpg.network · 1 pts · 361d
You can’t delete a book
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au · 5 pts · 361d
“Hypothetically”
Quick question - did you have breakfast this morning?……
mojofrododojo@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 361d
nonsense, raise it's temp to 451f and it'll delete easily.
frostysauce@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 361d
That's missing the entire point of this hypothetical question.
Tudsamfa@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 361d
I could probably recite Bill Wurtz's "History of the entire world i guess". And go into some more detail if someone asked.
P00ptart@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 362d
Quite a bit actually as I'm a history nerd. But, it would come bits and pieces at a time because that's how my mind works. Even if I sit here thinking about even Americas history, I'll leave holes in the story, and like a week later, "oh yeah this should have been part of that" so I'd have to write it all down in notes and compile it later to write a book, only then would I be able to teach anybody. Because nobody's learning much by riding my train of thought.
Also the TV show friends will never be spoken of again.
MintyFresh@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 361d
There were Romans (basically Greek cosplayers), some dude with elephants who may or may not have been a cannibal. Then some dude got nailed to some lumber for trying to tell people to chill and love eachother. A few thousand years of fighting about that. Columbo sailed to India but found Aztecs instead. The cubs finally won... And that about brings us up to date.
HubertManne@piefed.social · 5 pts · 362d
big bang - earth cooled - life appeared - life evolved - dinosaurs at some point ended by meteor - small mammals survived and evolved eventually to apes - apes evolved to early homminids I think going roughly authrolopithiciens to home sapien with many intermediary homos in there like habilis and interpred with another branch neandrathal (cro magnum is in there somewhere maybe after anthropolicicien). During all this evolution brains got bigger and things like art, tool use, language, and fire use became a thing. Early religion and ritual developed around birth and death and likely day to day essential activities. We came from a scavenger back ground but our tool use became weapons and we started to hunt. Over time we more and more intentionally started to plant seeds and keep animals which became farming. This lead to our species becoming less nomadic and as we started to stay in one location we started creating more robust shelter and infrastructure which lead cities and tribes becoming states. Earliest large ones we know are out of the middle east but kinda expanded west. Sumer to babylon to egypt. Then north. greek - roman. Expansion continued with a bunch of stuff in asia and europe and in between and surprisingly trade managed to flow across the known world while on the other side of the world in america you had a lot of folks sorta leading simpler lives but there was the inca empire. We think humans evolved in africa and spread out from there and at some point crossed to america during an ice age that created a land bridge. man this is long im tired. history over.
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 5 pts · 362d
My head is full of episodes of Ancient Aliens. I should probably just stick to teaching English if I had to teach anything.
Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org · 5 pts · 362d
I wouldn't bother with history at that point. History only matters when we can rely on there being a future. And if the big oops happens, all that matters is raw survival and STEM (with the pure M being optional).
BranBucket@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 361d
So... US History, I've got you:
Okay, in 1607 we started a colony in a place that would later be famous for having a lot of racists. For about a hundred years we were happy fucking over Native Americans, then people wanted to stop paying taxes, so we had a war with England. We won, with a lot of help from the French, but we don't give them much credit. We spent another 3/4 of a century fucking over Native Americans, building shit, and importing slaves, mostly from Africa. Then we had a Civil War about the slaves, killed each other a bunch, and in a huge surprise that no one saw coming, the part of the country that had all the industry won. We set the slaves free, so we could continue to treat them like crap. Then we went back to fucking over Native Americans, built a bunch of stuff (some of it was pretty cool), and started fucking around with the rest of the world. We started bringing in immigrants when things got shitty in other parts of the world, because we needed people to expand and someone else to be prejudiced against. We had some economic issues because some people wanted to be really rich, I'm sure taxes factored in there somewhere, but we pulled ourselves out of that with a couple of big wars and then we sorta took over half the world. We went to the moon, and appointed ourselves as "all around cool guys", although there were still a lot of issues with minorities and a big fracas about civil rights that some folks still haven't gotten over. But we thought we had to be tough guys to keep the USSR from making communism a thing, so we kinda ignored all that and started spending money on nukes and proxy wars instead of going to the moon. Rich people decided they didn't want to pay taxes again, and Reganomics mindfucked a generation of people into thinking you can run a country anywhere other than right into the fucking ground that way. After the Soviets made a mess of their half of the world and fucked off, we decided that things were too quiet and really started fucking stuff up in earnest. We pissed off a fresh batch of people in the middle east, because oil, and just kinda stirred the shit pot everywhere else because we were the biggest kid on the block. We also started the habit of surveilling everyone after some terrorists attacked us. Some of what we did might have been helpful, but there's so much chaos and so many pissed off people now it's hard to tell. Fast forward and some of us have figured out that we're causing problems, but we're neck deep in the sunk cost fallacy and busy letting people continue to promise us they can run the country better if rich folks pay less taxes.
TL;DR: It's taxes all the way down.
Washedupcynic@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 361d
When it comes to American history, I could do American independence - present day. Most public education stops at world war 2, you never really learn about Korea or vietnam. You might learn about the civil rights movement during black history month, but it wasn't well covered in my school. I was born in 1979. I've had to educate myself about stagflation that happened in the 70, along with the geopolitical events that helped stagflation, which includes british and american usurping iranian sovergnty to install a dictator that looked favorably upon capitalists oil interests, which brought me to the iran hostage crisis, which eventually gave way to a war between iraq and iran and the contra scandal. The shit Reagan and his officials got up to is insane, and Reagan managed to maintain enough deniability and have fall guys to keep from being impeached. There was a halfhearted attempt with H.Res.370 — 98th Congress (1983-1984) to Impeach President Reagan of the high crime or misdemeanor of: (1) ordering the invasion of Grenada, in violation of the Constitution and certain treaty obligations; and (2) preventing news coverage of such invasion. There was another attempt for the contra scandal. I'm old enough to remember the Berlin wall coming down. I lived through Kuwait, Iraq invasions, Tiananmen Square massacre, 9/11 and the bin laden hunt, Clinton deregulation of telecoms, yugoslavian civil war, 2000 dot com bubble recession, 2008 housing bubble recession, covid, and trump installed as president to enable facism/techno feudulism . . . we didn't start the fire.
Zephorah@discuss.online · 4 pts · 362d
Archive.org
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works · 12 pts · 362d
That is hosted in the USA and um...
checks news
future not looking so bright right now 😬
frostysauce@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 362d
IIT: People who don't understand the premise.
moosetwin@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 362d
I got this, I watch dr. stone
langweiligeflunder@feddit.org · 3 pts · 362d
I probably can't remember much aside my own countries history, and even if I wouldn't be able to give exact years and such. Luckily the whole of English Wikipedia (text-only) is roughly 100GB so I would probably distribute the records or requested articles via the black market. Also, this is basically how people in Cuba get access to internet content.
chiruyuki@ani.social · 2 pts · 361d
War, no rights for most, war, war, more war, fight for rights (for everyone who wasn't an old, rich man) worldwide, more war, we got rights granted for a lot of groups, and now in the big 2025 they're being threatened because of said old rich men
Triasha@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 360d
Honestly, most of history wasn't war, it's just that the records were written and preserved by a bunch of Romaboos that focused on the wars.
Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 360d
You underestimate the amount of history books i have. Plus the entire wikipedia
neidu3@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 362d
I can recall the gist of European history from year 900 through 1850ish. Then in a lot more detail after that. Outside of Europe my history knowledge is mostly a subsection of European colonialism.
Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 362d
Don't need to remember all that much as I still have a bunch of old dead trees that are porting that knowledge for me.
frostysauce@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 362d
I think those dead trees would be considered "records of history."
mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 361d
Good luck hunting down every last book that people mighr have. Especially when The Bible falls under the purview
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au · 3 pts · 361d
“Hypothetically”
Triasha@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 360d
Decent amount, but I would get a lot of details wrong.
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au · 1 pts · 361d
This topic is a perfect example of “The Breakfast Question” in action.
Are there really this many people that struggle with hypotheticals?
pH3ra@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 361d
"Ok kids the last 5000 years were just an endless string of dick waving contests. They said that we had to knew history so we wouldn't repeat the same errors of the past but that was a fucking lie. Now who's up for some science?"
MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world · -4 pts · 362d
Why bother? It repeats itself, yes? Fuck that. Start fresh.
burntbacon@discuss.tchncs.de · 3 pts · 362d
THIS IS A DISTRACTION FROM THE EPSTEIN FILES! RELEASE THE FILES! Don't let it distract you from your purpose!