South Korean President Lee Jae Myung pledged this week to go after "far-right" critics both at home and abroad, following his recent White House summit with President Trump. The move has raised alarm among U.S. officials over potential infringement on free expression and transnational repression tactics.
Lee met with Trump on Aug. 25 at the White House to discuss trade, defense, shipbuilding and other strategic issues. But tensions were visible — Lee stayed at a hotel instead of the traditional Blair House, was greeted by lower-level officials, and left without attending a formal state dinner.
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unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de · 151 pts · 333d
I dont think the US is a valid authority for figuring out what is and isnt authoritarian.
Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 48 pts · 333d
Yeah, the US has ALWAYS been super authoritarian in its international dealings and has gone full fascist at home and abroad.
It's not the pot calling the kettle black. It's the leaking barrel of nuclear waste in the municipal water supply calling candy unhealthy.
prex@aussie.zone · 8 pts · 333d
I mean, candy is unhealthy but its better than leaking nuclear waste
ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one · 2 pts · 331d
But, but, but. I was told by Robert F Kennedy, the US government, and corporations that a little nuclear waste was good for you unlike candy.
july@leminal.space · 86 pts · 333d
Seems like USA is losing any allies it had left
njm1314@lemmy.world · 68 pts · 333d
Almost like it's a goal.
throws_lemy@lemmy.nz · 36 pts · 333d
I can see that
ICE raid at Hyundai plant
Psycoder@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 333d
Sleep with the dogs. Wake up with the fleas.
Donald Trump is the only republican president to win popular in more than 3 decades. Whatever is happening, and whatever is to come, we deserve it.
With that being said, Donald Trump was easy to beat in both elections. He won because democratic party is not a political party, but a private entity. Yes, democratic party itself has argued at the court that it was a private entity.
The first time Trump won, he won because democrats cheated to run Hillary Clinton, a politician that is seen as corrupt.
The second time he won, the democrats did not even have a proper primary.
Long story short, democrats fought harder against Bernie Sanders, than Donald Trump. I am done with voting democrat. I don't care what happens.
P.S. AI bots and paid online trolls, you can reply below telling me how democrats are more innocent than Jesus himself and how they have never done any wrong.
ultranaut@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 332d
How could the Democratic party be anything other than a private entity? In the US the political parties are private entities distinct and separate from the government, it would be weird if they tried to argue otherwise in court. Having the parties as private entities seems a lot less risky and problematic so I am really curious what bothers you about it and how you imagine a system where they were not private could work.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 32 pts · 333d
They don't want allies. They want colonies.
Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 11 pts · 333d
🧑🚀🔫🧑🚀
gdog05@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 333d
They don't want colonies either I don't think. I believe they want a disparate collection of democratic players to be at odds because "they" is Russia and when democracy is away, Russia will play.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 333d
Legions of shitty racist American policymakers screening " Russia made us do it"
Deathray5@lemmynsfw.com · 5 pts · 332d
It's unclear who are just racist morons and who are collaborating with Russia and who are both.
While Russia has nudged things they had a movement which was very set on Americas downfall who didn't need much help
anomnom@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 331d
It’s clear who some of the collaborators are.
Roger Stone and Devin Nunes to name 2.
Tyrq@lemmy.dbzer0.com · -1 pts · 333d
Ooo a shiny new scapegoat
dickalan@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 331d
Yeah, Russia doesn’t have a election every four years that exposes the bipolar nature of Americans they have just had Putin for 30+ to fight ideals, what the hell are you talking about?
kent_eh@lemmy.ca · 20 pts · 332d
You say losing, I say actively driving them away.
mrdown@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 333d
Is the usa finally paying for all the coups and countries it destroyed?
Showroom7561@lemmy.ca · 34 pts · 332d
This is this the same FBI who is redacting Trump's name from the Epstein files. South Korea must be doing something right! 😂
Edit: fixing autocorrect gone wild!
Frostbeard@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 332d
Still some left mate. name/bame
Showroom7561@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 332d
I should probably turn it off 😧
Krauerking@lemy.lol · 1 pts · 331d
New conspiracy:
They have made autocorrect so bad to force us to use AI to write for us so we dont have spelling errors.
Im on aide disaboe it completely
pomfegranate@sh.itjust.works · 32 pts · 333d
HOLY SHIT KOREA BASED??!
Samuelwankenobi@sh.itjust.works · 15 pts · 333d
Probably best to specify south Korea
icelimit@lemmy.ml · -15 pts · 333d
Given that NK also recently announced support for Palestine, I think both are doing 'good'.
Samuelwankenobi@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 332d
Don't defend fascist North Korea it's not a good look
Certamen@feddit.org · 6 pts · 332d
Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz · 2 pts · 332d
All we can say of NK is we know fuckall in the west, and the brief conversations I personally have had with people who've been there weren't particularly illuminating.
If you have a strong opinion on a subject you have weak data on, maybe do some introspection.
Deathray5@lemmynsfw.com · 7 pts · 332d
Um there is quite a lot of information from defectors.
Also a large population being hard to get information about is an enormous red flag.
I'm curious about the brief conversations?
Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz · -1 pts · 332d
Defectors go to prison if they say positive things. They get paid for interviews. This makes them unreliable.
The brief conversations weren't useful because the people I spoke to were more interested in nature, getting pictures of themselves, and superficial vacation stuff than learning about the people's lives, political system, history, etc. They didn't seem to appreciate how utterly foreign NK is/seems to non-chinese.
3abas@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 332d
There's a lot of propaganda. There's also real footage of real people living their normal lives in North Korea, believe it or not.
My favorite is this complete jackass who posts shorts on TikTok of Korean people just doing normal things and the commentary is "look at these actors, they're all acting to shop in the grocery store, they're all acting to play basketball, they're all acting to be looking at cars in a showroom, all acting for tourists" and the comments are just people like you who swallow propaganda without a second of reflection. They're just people who look confused when a white guy starts recording them and speaking English.
North Korea is not what you've been told it is, it's an economically suppressed nation being punished for resisting American imperialism.
https://youtu.be/2BO83Ig-E8E
North Korea is ruled by an authoritarian, but South Korea is ruled by fascists, so while you shouldn't jump to say defend it wholesale, "South Korea best Korea" is propaganda.
Samuelwankenobi@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 332d
So knowing that North Korea do things such as rewrite the history on the Korean war to make them look better is not enough to know North Korea is bad or that you can literally be killed for trying to leave if nothing else that's enough to know they are bad
lime@feddit.nu · 4 pts · 332d
isnt the us currently doing that? no lover of nk but that's a weak-ass argument
AlexanderTheDead@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 331d
You saying "whatabout" doesn't make their argument weaker lmfao.
Samuelwankenobi@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 332d
Yeah obviously there are a lot more and a better argument but it doesn't make it okay and it's actually worse that the US with all its power it has over the west is doing the same crap as North Korea isn't that scary and not something we should just brush off
Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz · 3 pts · 332d
I don't know they rewrite history, I've never met someone who's been there and asked that. But its not like the average American's perception of the war isn't massively skewed to make themselves look better, if it exists at all.
ubergeek@lemmy.today · 0 pts · 332d
Because if ypu ask that, while there, you get sent to jail for 10 years.
3abas@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 332d
North Korea's rewriting of the war where they kicked the imperialist USA's ass and continue to be victorious is not worse than American/South Korean revisionism where a people separated by the US and USSR and the attempt of one side to reunify the people and end US control was met by sheer brutality and cruelty is reduced to "north Korea invaded with Korea".
Go back just a little and ask yourself why America had to fuck with Koreans and draw these borders in the first place, why protecting capitalism is such an "good" thing.
Ileftreddit@lemmy.world · 30 pts · 332d
Garbagio@lemmy.zip · 16 pts · 332d
brucethemoose@lemmy.world · 28 pts · 332d
Y’all read the thing?
I mean, that’s a lot. I know they just had an almost-coup, but still.
It’s clear that “free speech” as it exists is busted and just lets cults snowball on social media. At the same time, these same government levers are dangerous, as is clearly seen in history and other current places in the world.
…I don’t know a solution, really. Well, other than freaking reigning in Big Tech so conspiracy breeding grounds wouldn’t be so ridiculously fertile, but apparently that’s impossible.
ubergeek@lemmy.today · 9 pts · 332d
The solution to halt fascism has never changed: you put every fascists' dick in the dirt.
FosterMolasses@leminal.space · 3 pts · 332d
Brand new sentence.
resipsaloquitur@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 333d
A real leader.
_stranger_@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 333d
PLEASE DO SO
RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 333d
I'm...not sure you're reading that headline right, Bub.
Wait, no I'm sorry, it's me who misread it.
floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 19 pts · 333d
lmao at the difference in posture. I don't think I've ever seen a picture of Trump sitting straight
Formfiller@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 332d
South Korea is killing it.
Certamen@feddit.org · 8 pts · 332d
forkDestroyer@infosec.pub · 2 pts · 332d
How?
Formfiller@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 332d
They aren’t putting up with the corrupt global facist oligarch takeover
Garbagio@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 332d
3abas@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 332d
This whole thread is just an example of how successful US propaganda has been at relieving people of the burden of critical thinking.
NK bad, SK good, that's the depth they're willing to go to.
Garbagio@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 332d
3abas@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 332d
Jesus Christ. Go read some non colonial history books.
Garbagio@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 332d
BurgerBaron@piefed.social · 15 pts · 332d
This is after SK was previously signalling they'd cozy up to the Americans lmao.
Love this for everyone involved.
Puddinghelmet@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 332d
Better education can fix the far-right movement/cult, or it would be a great step in dissolving it at least...
Being conservative and/or wanting to have a national identity is fine but don't take it to the extremes, excluding or oppressing others based on origin, religion, sexual orientation, etc. That comes at the expense of fundamental rights and becomes dangerous. Education can fix that.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 8 pts · 331d
Good.
Honestly, I have a ton of respect for South Korea, especially after seeing how swiftly and decisively they handled their treasonous president.
(please take me, S. K.)
sirico@feddit.uk · 6 pts · 331d
American defense investors collectively face palm
SoulKaribou@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 331d
Surely you mean war investors.
And thats not even sarcastic, I'm simply echoing to the rebranding of ministry of defense to ministry of war. (But that is sarcasm)
IndustryStandard@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 332d
South Korea about to commie up
Catalyst_A@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 331d
Bro, if you're trying to get a republicans you can stay rent free at my house anytime.
phutatorius@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 331d
If you stand up to Trump and his gang of assholes, my next car will be a new electric Kia.
RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world · -5 pts · 333d
Ok, but why are they in a room in Russia?
Lucky_777@lemmy.world · -37 pts · 333d
Imagine a world, where AI scans your social media. If you're a facist pig that supports MAGA pedophiles, you can't buy anything or get services.
This is a world I would live in and rejoice. Fuck facists, Nazis and POS pedophiles, plus the fucks that defend them.
the_q@lemmy.zip · 45 pts · 333d
Ledivin@lemmy.world · 36 pts · 333d
Sounds like a super easy way to disenfranchise anyone you dislike. If there's no due process, there are no rights, because you can simply be declared a supporter.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 28 pts · 333d
Sounds like shit
dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 333d
Ah, yes. Thoughtcrime and suppression of freedom of speech are totally okay as long as it's our side doing it. No, no, no, see, when we do it it's totally different from when other people do it!
Eldritch@piefed.world · 10 pts · 333d
Yep. The problem with these people is less whom they are. And more how they act. If we act like them. Then we are also the problem.
july@leminal.space · 6 pts · 333d
Should nazism not be considered a thought crime?
dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 333d
No crimes should be thought crimes. All crimes should be action crimes. There can be no middle ground as long as freedom of expression exists.
Doing Nazi shit should get you locked up (or beaten up, or whatever). Talking about it should just get you ridiculed by everybody.
SethTaylor@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 332d
Talking positively about it in a public space is illegal in many countries. It counts as promoting it. It's a useful guardrail against having it return as a mainstream ideology.
Burghler@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 333d
Burghler@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 326d
Mods deleted my msg, I said "are you doing stupid?" And then explained how bad an idea it is
wheezy@lemmy.ml · -3 pts · 333d
You don't deprive racist and Nazis the ability to live in society. At least not permanently and for all equally. The goal should be to educate them and reintegrate them back into society. By force if necessary. And if that's not possible for all then they must remain apart from society by force.
All you would accomplish by your method is creating a right wing terrorist group.
People give Stalin shit for "re-education" camps. And the methods and failures in their implementation can be criticized.
But, the real question really is difficult. What do you actually do with people that want other people killed because of their race/identity or are plotting to overthrow a democratic government that defeated those Nazis? Those people have proven they are not able to live in society. But means need to be available to educate them and reintegrate them if they are capable of change.
So, I don't really agree with the other comments. I don't think what you're saying is "fascism".
There are reasons to protect a society and a revolution from Nazis and those that wish to overthrow it. Hell, one the big reasons we are here today is because liberals love to "both sides" anyone that says "punching a Nazi is good".
They clutch their pearls and pretend that "punching a Nazi makes you just as bad as them".
Those types of "don't resist. No violence" soft liberal takes are what got us here. Its what allows fascism to take control as it has. Normalizing every small escalating act of state violence and condemning anyone that would use violence to resist it.