Alternate headline: AI FOMO CEO Satya Nadella doubles down on AI spending, fires profitable devs.
He doesn't understand what LLM technology is and what they really can do and continues to buy the hype, so also continues firing staff (and whole departments) that generate income in order to employ 'AI experts' at exorbitant rates in the hope their magic AI will one day turn a huge profit - or at the very least to deny his competitors their skills.
The biggest issues Microsoft is facing at the moment are not AI: its EU (and wider) concerns about data sovereignty and surveillance driving businesses off their cloud, and their heavy-handed approach to spying on their users and forcing them into cloud services and apps in their ecosystem, which is driving users to alternative OSes.
Both are in the early stages and further loss could possibly be stemmed if the company strategy had a major overhaul in the other direction - but this whole direction has been Nadella's doing, and a certain level of lost business is now unavoidable.
I hope they stay the path. The worst MS gets, the more interest and investment there will be in OSS alternatives.
Yeah, Nadella's fear is that the company will be doomed if they don't do AI hard enough, while any sane observer can see that his obsession with AI is leading them to throw hundreds of billions into a burning trash fire with zero gain to show for it. Microsoft still refuse to break out their AI earnings, which is proof enough that it's making them close to zero profit (not counting the money OpenAI is throwing at them for compute). But everyone close to Nadella has been saying for a while that he's genuinely monomaniacal about AI. He cannot see reason on this issue.
Yeah, which is a problem for their share price, but not for their bottom line.
Like, the worst case scenario for Nvidia is they go back to merely being the world's biggest supplier of GPUs. Oh boo hoo hoo. They will see a massive correction to their share price, and the execs would all rather tht didn't happen because it will destroy a lot of their newfound personal fortunes, but the company itself will be fine (unless they've massively over leveraged themselves with their shares as collateral).
Not reading that he thinks AI is a good thing, just that MS may get out-competed on that front, and that's a legitimate concern. That's why all these tech giants are all-in on AI. They know damned well the bubble will pop. They're gambling on being the last man standing.
I will say this - I suck at coding. I've spent years taking courses, learning basics over and over, only to be novice level at best. I can read code and KIND OF understand what it is doing, but writing it? Absolute dogshit.
LLMs have not raised my skill level in coding from a 15/100 to anything higher. It has, however, made it easier to generate code I want, can review, and use. It writes it at maybe 40/100, which is better than me. That's the only thing it's good at.
That's not your fault! You aren't bad at coding, and you aren't bad at learning. Coding courses and tutorials are almost never assembled by anyone with any familiarity with pedagogy and they are famously bad at teaching. Tutorial hell is everyone's experience.
If you actually want to learn, like any craft, time with your hands on the tools trying to make things is number 1. Literacy and familarity with jargon will help a lot as nothing is ever as useful as just reading the documentation and that is always dogshit.
Find a space you want to play in, like simple robots, maths puzzles, sound synthesis, simple games (godot is great for giving immediate visual feedback if you're still trying to learn the basics), embedded systems/iot devices whatever. Then set yourself simple goals, first tweaking prior art and then building your own stuff. As you gain familarity work through a good textbook like The Art of Programming or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Structure_and_Interpretation_of_Computer_Programs to get some ideas of the higher principles.
And stop doing tutorials, you will learn nothing. You need to study principles not practices, practices can only really be learned through independent practise.
I believe you can do it! and doing it yourself is really rewarding and playful. Don't de-skill yourself and become dependent on a bunch of creepy fascist billionaires. Learning is a skill all skills can be improved to basic competence if you are sufficiently motivated.
Im a little bit the same. But I have more desire to keep learning the hard way than to use shortcuts. Using it as a learning tool is fine I guess. I just feel sick any time I use it and its not all that helpful vs finding something from a web search. Plus, its often wrong and teaches bad habits soo yeah.
Im always wanting to take the hard road though. I feel gross taking shortcuts on any task.
If you're going to use it, use it to it's fullest.
after it generates, aske it specifically what things do, ask it to go over the code and explain it's decisions line by line.
ask it to teach you how to do what it just did.
It's not the best code in the world, but for simple stuff it generates servicable code and can explain everything it all to you at a level to which you can understand.
best part, if you ask it and you still don't understand you can keep asking it and it'll work with you as long as it takes to get the point across.
i agree. microsoft still has a stupid amount of money printers spread out across multiple different parts of the tech industry. it seems unlikely that missing out on “AI” will be the death of the company.
CEOs don't (usually) have surgical management skills. They operate on the body as a whole. Pills that affect everything. Some topical treatment to improve outside appearance, but usually that's just makeup. Occasionally they open the body up and rearrange the insides to little effect. Ambitious CEOs will chop off limbs and attach other body parts hoping to grow something magical.
If we don't build it, the bad guys will! If anyome builds it, it will destroy everything! You should give us money to solve the problem we made up to make our tools sound cooler, and that we directly profit from perpetuating!
If I remember correctly, several years ago there were articles about their internal practices, which amounted to having the teams all compete against each other.
Once I learned that, everything made sense about their software.
I’ve been noticing weird stuff with Microsoft online products since they have been leaning into ai.
I don’t really know how to describe it. My old windows pc had a virus back in the early 2000s that slowly ate away at .dll and .exe files. It basically caused very random errors and noticeable weirdness for a few days until core system services eventually started dying. That’s what Microsoft online products feel like to use for me now. Random loops of confirmations and links that go nowhere. Even the payment system rarely seems to work.
This is less of a Fuck AI post, and more of a WTF is MSFT strategy reply.
OpenAI does not actually have that good of models, definitely poor value models, and a strategy depending on skynet contract from US military, which means having the absolute largest most trained most expensive model. MSFT has hedged its bets on decent alternative US model Antropic. But open source models, many from China, have genuine technical advances that make smaller (or larger) models that can be run within enterprise, or just you recent PC, viable competition.
MSFT cannot possibly make money by repackaging paid models from other providers that offer direct access. Just because copilot is in your OS and your office suite, does not mean there aren't great alternatives that cost less, If MSFT ever made profit from its outsourced AI bunding, surely its own partners would make better offers to you for you to use them directly. LLM access still has massive free access options.
The US datacenter business is also massively energy constrained, with current administration only permitting expensive dead ender energy solutions, the moral of the story being datacenters being extra expensive. Local (smaller than openAI) LLMs in US will face similar electricity scarcity, but globally, local LLMs will prevail. MSFT being NSA/military/empire allies further prevents them from offering value to people/enterprise, and incapable of serving foreign markets.
Various anti-trust commissions could have broken them up, but always fell short of that. Now they’re too big to fail, but still trying as hard as they can to do so anyway.
40% of their revenue is from Azure and servers. You'd think even if companies aren't using MS branded AI products, they'll still make a shitload of money providing the backbone for it.
It's just like when they realized the lost the phone OS race and Ballmer left, they pivoted. They said, if we can't run the OS, at least our software can be on all the phones. So, they push Office mobile, make their own launchers, put a bunch of investment into Intune and MDM management.
Microsoft is - checks notes - a company selling shitty OSes and bad Office tools. And it's very good at forcing those sales on the world. It's been good for it.
But instead of seeing AI and pioneering a stub to glue an Ai in as module and just letting the Ai losers fight it out, they decided they need to control the Ai so they can monetize that too.
They can't help themselves.
So they're bleeding staff now to pay for the Ai miracle like SCO bled staff trying to fight against IBMs legal and PR divisions, which is why no one knows anything of SCO except what IBM told them through its staff-built groklaw FoxNews clone. The difference is that Microsoft is fighting itself, and can just quit.
Go make that API, Microsoft, and let openai and all the others court YOU. Go back to bad OSes and teams and excel. It's what you know.
I guess baldie realized that's the only way to make people working on AI research to actually care and make it "work as expected" - pretend it might actually do good on a global scale (by destroying Microsoft)
AI and robotics is going to destroy many established companies in the same way the Internet did. Some will adapt, but most will simply have run their course. Microsoft is the GE or this era. Will still be around in a decade or two, but once AGI has been achieved, who needs a software company when you own AI agent could literally develop your own OS and productivity apps tailored exactly to your needs.
Lmfao. Microsoft will be destroyed for embracing this idiocy. Not because they didn't.
AI in it's current state is a farce. A limited tool with limited uses. It is not the answer. It cannot cannot create anything it hasn't already been fed. It cannot conceptualize, it cannot ponder, it cannot wonder, it cannot innovate and it cannot and will not ever replace the human spirit.
Trying to do anything with this experimental under researched area of computer science is a braindead move and you deserve your company to die for trying to rely on it.
I do not disagree with this possibility, but the one I presented is also possible along with many other possible paths, some unknown. There is even a non zero chance MS gets even bigger and ends up running the world. We just do not know as we do not really know where and when the next AI breakthrough will happen. No one knows.
I am unsure myself. I am fairly certain that if all other current AI metrics were the same, but logic was significantly better, we would have the start of AGI now. Logic however seems to have been the one metric that did not show much improvement when training sets and compute scaled up. The AI industry is clearly avoiding talking about this massive issue in a meaningful way (some are of course), but you better believe this is the focus area right now as the first to crack will have an instant advantage. Will it be cracked and if so when? No one knows. Could be any day now, could be 10 years + or maybe we discover there is a hard cognitive valley that will be extremely hard to cross.
Given how many companies, small teams and even individuals are trying to crack logic, I suspect we will have some progress in the years to come. If not, AI, and even robots will never really rise to the potential we are expecting.
If logic is not cracked, a lot of people are going to loose a lot of money as the ROI is just not there with the current state of AI. Sure, AI is not going anywhere as it has its use cases in its current form, but the errors inherent in the current tech will hold it back in a big way.
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Rozauhtuno@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 132 pts · 333d
It would be the first time AI does something useful.
primrosepathspeedrun@anarchist.nexus · 9 pts · 333d
No–I'm sure at least one of the people it drove into a mental health crisis that ended in suicide was a fascist.
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 332d
AI is very useful. LLMs are not the magic bullet that is being sold.
DaddleDew@lemmy.world · 87 pts · 333d
AI is destroying the company but not for the reason they're thinking.
pulsewidth@lemmy.world · 69 pts · 333d
Alternate headline: AI FOMO CEO Satya Nadella doubles down on AI spending, fires profitable devs.
He doesn't understand what LLM technology is and what they really can do and continues to buy the hype, so also continues firing staff (and whole departments) that generate income in order to employ 'AI experts' at exorbitant rates in the hope their magic AI will one day turn a huge profit - or at the very least to deny his competitors their skills.
The biggest issues Microsoft is facing at the moment are not AI: its EU (and wider) concerns about data sovereignty and surveillance driving businesses off their cloud, and their heavy-handed approach to spying on their users and forcing them into cloud services and apps in their ecosystem, which is driving users to alternative OSes.
Both are in the early stages and further loss could possibly be stemmed if the company strategy had a major overhaul in the other direction - but this whole direction has been Nadella's doing, and a certain level of lost business is now unavoidable.
I hope they stay the path. The worst MS gets, the more interest and investment there will be in OSS alternatives.
Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works · 24 pts · 333d
Yeah, Nadella's fear is that the company will be doomed if they don't do AI hard enough, while any sane observer can see that his obsession with AI is leading them to throw hundreds of billions into a burning trash fire with zero gain to show for it. Microsoft still refuse to break out their AI earnings, which is proof enough that it's making them close to zero profit (not counting the money OpenAI is throwing at them for compute). But everyone close to Nadella has been saying for a while that he's genuinely monomaniacal about AI. He cannot see reason on this issue.
atrielienz@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 332d
It's Zuck and the metaverse all over again.
Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 332d
A cautionary tale that even the Zuck didn't learn, given how much money he's fruitlessly burning on bad AI and Ray Ban partnerships.
The only people actually making money off this whole thing are Nvidia, because if there's one solid bet in a gold rush it's selling picks and shovels.
mushroommunk@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 303d
That's drying up for even Nvidia if the circular investing we're seeing is any indication
Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 303d
Yeah, which is a problem for their share price, but not for their bottom line.
Like, the worst case scenario for Nvidia is they go back to merely being the world's biggest supplier of GPUs. Oh boo hoo hoo. They will see a massive correction to their share price, and the execs would all rather tht didn't happen because it will destroy a lot of their newfound personal fortunes, but the company itself will be fine (unless they've massively over leveraged themselves with their shares as collateral).
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 332d
You mean convince investors to GIVE THEM more money.
Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 332d
That would be OpenAI. Microsoft just borrows money against their share price when they need capitalization, they don't have to beg for it.
reddig33@lemmy.world · 47 pts · 333d
lol. The only thing destroying Microsoft right now is said CEO.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 43 pts · 332d
More CEO bullshit trying to convince us AI is going to be actually useful.
shalafi@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 332d
Not reading that he thinks AI is a good thing, just that MS may get out-competed on that front, and that's a legitimate concern. That's why all these tech giants are all-in on AI. They know damned well the bubble will pop. They're gambling on being the last man standing.
kinther@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 332d
I will say this - I suck at coding. I've spent years taking courses, learning basics over and over, only to be novice level at best. I can read code and KIND OF understand what it is doing, but writing it? Absolute dogshit.
LLMs have not raised my skill level in coding from a 15/100 to anything higher. It has, however, made it easier to generate code I want, can review, and use. It writes it at maybe 40/100, which is better than me. That's the only thing it's good at.
naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 9 pts · 332d
That's not your fault! You aren't bad at coding, and you aren't bad at learning. Coding courses and tutorials are almost never assembled by anyone with any familiarity with pedagogy and they are famously bad at teaching. Tutorial hell is everyone's experience.
If you actually want to learn, like any craft, time with your hands on the tools trying to make things is number 1. Literacy and familarity with jargon will help a lot as nothing is ever as useful as just reading the documentation and that is always dogshit.
Find a space you want to play in, like simple robots, maths puzzles, sound synthesis, simple games (godot is great for giving immediate visual feedback if you're still trying to learn the basics), embedded systems/iot devices whatever. Then set yourself simple goals, first tweaking prior art and then building your own stuff. As you gain familarity work through a good textbook like The Art of Programming or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Structure_and_Interpretation_of_Computer_Programs to get some ideas of the higher principles.
And stop doing tutorials, you will learn nothing. You need to study principles not practices, practices can only really be learned through independent practise.
I believe you can do it! and doing it yourself is really rewarding and playful. Don't de-skill yourself and become dependent on a bunch of creepy fascist billionaires. Learning is a skill all skills can be improved to basic competence if you are sufficiently motivated.
bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 332d
Im a little bit the same. But I have more desire to keep learning the hard way than to use shortcuts. Using it as a learning tool is fine I guess. I just feel sick any time I use it and its not all that helpful vs finding something from a web search. Plus, its often wrong and teaches bad habits soo yeah.
Im always wanting to take the hard road though. I feel gross taking shortcuts on any task.
rumba@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 332d
If you're going to use it, use it to it's fullest.
after it generates, aske it specifically what things do, ask it to go over the code and explain it's decisions line by line.
ask it to teach you how to do what it just did.
It's not the best code in the world, but for simple stuff it generates servicable code and can explain everything it all to you at a level to which you can understand.
best part, if you ask it and you still don't understand you can keep asking it and it'll work with you as long as it takes to get the point across.
affiliate@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 332d
i agree. microsoft still has a stupid amount of money printers spread out across multiple different parts of the tech industry. it seems unlikely that missing out on “AI” will be the death of the company.
Pulptastic@midwest.social · 32 pts · 332d
You're the CEO. Do something about it.
WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today · 7 pts · 332d
Oh you sweet summer child...
It's gotten too big to stop. He knows he has to risk it all, or the other companies might do it first.
It's like the nuclear arms race where they believed that nukes might burn the sky and kill us all.
Except, this time they might.
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 332d
CEOs don't (usually) have surgical management skills. They operate on the body as a whole. Pills that affect everything. Some topical treatment to improve outside appearance, but usually that's just makeup. Occasionally they open the body up and rearrange the insides to little effect. Ambitious CEOs will chop off limbs and attach other body parts hoping to grow something magical.
fistac0rpse@fedia.io · 31 pts · 333d
Maybe they could bring back Steve Ballmer to accelerate the process
rob_t_firefly@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 333d
He could throw a chair at it.
friend_of_satan@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 332d
Maybe this was Ballmers play all along? Maybe he wanted all those developers so MS could train AI models on their output.
Jessica@discuss.tchncs.de · 3 pts · 332d
Developers developers developers developers developers developers developers
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 332d
Ironic that AI is supposed to make developers redundant.
eestileib@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 331d
As a CEO, he was a great sales director.
BigBenis@lemmy.world · 29 pts · 332d
Why do we talk about CEOs like anything they say is not complete bullshit?
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 28 pts · 332d
you spent billions upon billions building data centers to host azure/openai, with no returns of value.
SL3wvmnas@discuss.tchncs.de · 1 pts · 329d
No you see, it was AI that made him do it. The CEO has no agency.
wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 27 pts · 333d
Oh yay, Nadella has picked up Altman's grift now.
If we don't build it, the bad guys will! If anyome builds it, it will destroy everything! You should give us money to solve the problem we made up to make our tools sound cooler, and that we directly profit from perpetuating!
Marshezezz@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 23 pts · 333d
TwinTitans@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 332d
I mean, you’ve done an amazing job at destroying Xbox without it so I’m excited to see how effective a job your “ai” will do on the rest.
0li0li@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 333d
Good thing they spent time and money working on that Gaming Copilot AI shit!
Zier@fedia.io · 20 pts · 333d
Microsoft has been self-sabotaging for decades. AI sucks, but we know the truth.
calliope@retrolemmy.com · 21 pts · 333d
It was legitimately in their core practices.
If I remember correctly, several years ago there were articles about their internal practices, which amounted to having the teams all compete against each other.
Once I learned that, everything made sense about their software.
eestileib@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 331d
Amazon is the same
Jaysyn@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 332d
So you're saying there are some upsides to AI?
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 332d
I don't think we're going to get that lucky.
vala@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 17 pts · 332d
It will if they keep spending so much time and money on it.
Yeller_king@reddthat.com · 3 pts · 332d
That's what I thought he meant at first.
reluctant_squidd@lemmy.ca · 17 pts · 332d
I’ve been noticing weird stuff with Microsoft online products since they have been leaning into ai.
I don’t really know how to describe it. My old windows pc had a virus back in the early 2000s that slowly ate away at .dll and .exe files. It basically caused very random errors and noticeable weirdness for a few days until core system services eventually started dying. That’s what Microsoft online products feel like to use for me now. Random loops of confirmations and links that go nowhere. Even the payment system rarely seems to work.
His concern seems valid to me.
humanspiral@lemmy.ca · 16 pts · 332d
This is less of a Fuck AI post, and more of a WTF is MSFT strategy reply.
OpenAI does not actually have that good of models, definitely poor value models, and a strategy depending on skynet contract from US military, which means having the absolute largest most trained most expensive model. MSFT has hedged its bets on decent alternative US model Antropic. But open source models, many from China, have genuine technical advances that make smaller (or larger) models that can be run within enterprise, or just you recent PC, viable competition.
MSFT cannot possibly make money by repackaging paid models from other providers that offer direct access. Just because copilot is in your OS and your office suite, does not mean there aren't great alternatives that cost less, If MSFT ever made profit from its outsourced AI bunding, surely its own partners would make better offers to you for you to use them directly. LLM access still has massive free access options.
The US datacenter business is also massively energy constrained, with current administration only permitting expensive dead ender energy solutions, the moral of the story being datacenters being extra expensive. Local (smaller than openAI) LLMs in US will face similar electricity scarcity, but globally, local LLMs will prevail. MSFT being NSA/military/empire allies further prevents them from offering value to people/enterprise, and incapable of serving foreign markets.
aeternum@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 15 pts · 332d
Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 332d
So you're telling me there's a use case for AI after all?
rustyfemboy@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 12 pts · 332d
Good, burn it all down.
NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone · 12 pts · 332d
Various anti-trust commissions could have broken them up, but always fell short of that. Now they’re too big to fail, but still trying as hard as they can to do so anyway.
philosloppy@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 332d
I guess his hands are just tied on this one, the scary AI gnomes are literally pointing guns at his children as we speak
hunnybubny@discuss.tchncs.de · 3 pts · 332d
Do not be silly now.
It is Clippy.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 331d
Clippy with a sexy voice who will let you fold him into any shape.
BanMe@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 332d
Forcibly installing Copilot for Kids
Deflated0ne@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 332d
They have enough GovCo contracts to keep them alive forever. Consumer market is a secondary revenue stream.
atrielienz@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 332d
A second revenue stream that they use as beta testers and to milk for money to force AI into everything.
Jankatarch@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 331d
I read the article here is summary.
He is scared the people microsoft lays off will go work for their competitors.
He thinks if they lose "the AI race" they may be replaced by another company.
Microsoft still pledged to give $80 billion for their AI projects.
OpenAI wants to go for-profit but computing costs is not affordable for microsoft so they made a barely official agreement instead.
Workers suffered the most in this as the company has a culture where you may be sacked at any time due to a tweet from Musk.
My thoughts.
Microsoft won't become irrelavent. Every single school and university go to unimaginable lengths to use their suite.
Highschools have a "microsoft word class" and colleges that pride themselves on their "academic integrity" give all students premium chatgpt accounts.
But they may do what AT&T did and go from a huge monopoly to just some random big company.
hactar42@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 331d
40% of their revenue is from Azure and servers. You'd think even if companies aren't using MS branded AI products, they'll still make a shitload of money providing the backbone for it.
It's just like when they realized the lost the phone OS race and Ballmer left, they pivoted. They said, if we can't run the OS, at least our software can be on all the phones. So, they push Office mobile, make their own launchers, put a bunch of investment into Intune and MDM management.
corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca · 9 pts · 332d
Microsoft is - checks notes - a company selling shitty OSes and bad Office tools. And it's very good at forcing those sales on the world. It's been good for it.
But instead of seeing AI and pioneering a stub to glue an Ai in as module and just letting the Ai losers fight it out, they decided they need to control the Ai so they can monetize that too.
They can't help themselves.
So they're bleeding staff now to pay for the Ai miracle like SCO bled staff trying to fight against IBMs legal and PR divisions, which is why no one knows anything of SCO except what IBM told them through its staff-built groklaw FoxNews clone. The difference is that Microsoft is fighting itself, and can just quit.
Go make that API, Microsoft, and let openai and all the others court YOU. Go back to bad OSes and teams and excel. It's what you know.
fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net · 7 pts · 333d
I hope it will
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org · 7 pts · 332d
I am going to dance on Microsoft's grave.
JackbyDev@programming.dev · 7 pts · 332d
Then stop building it?
betanumerus@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 332d
fodor@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 333d
elevenbones@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 331d
🤞
OldChicoAle@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 332d
Do it. Do it hard.
abbiistabbii@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 331d
Lol please let this happen.
LiveLM@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 332d
Oh if only you fucks would lie in the bed you made once...
altphoto@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 332d
Hopefully it leaves the building alone. C'mon AI! We used to be friends!
But you know what teams said about you? Oh teams said you suck and you couldn't possibly turn teams into Macintosh HyperCard.
ICastFist@programming.dev · 1 pts · 332d
I guess baldie realized that's the only way to make people working on AI research to actually care and make it "work as expected" - pretend it might actually do good on a global scale (by destroying Microsoft)
RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 332d
Maybe now they'll help pass Due Dilligence reform.
Zedd_Prophecy@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 332d
That's why we get a "co- pilot". button? And that's they're answer? I hope beyond hope that AI kills them.
ImmersiveMatthew@sh.itjust.works · -1 pts · 332d
AI and robotics is going to destroy many established companies in the same way the Internet did. Some will adapt, but most will simply have run their course. Microsoft is the GE or this era. Will still be around in a decade or two, but once AGI has been achieved, who needs a software company when you own AI agent could literally develop your own OS and productivity apps tailored exactly to your needs.
Xenny@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 332d
Lmfao. Microsoft will be destroyed for embracing this idiocy. Not because they didn't.
AI in it's current state is a farce. A limited tool with limited uses. It is not the answer. It cannot cannot create anything it hasn't already been fed. It cannot conceptualize, it cannot ponder, it cannot wonder, it cannot innovate and it cannot and will not ever replace the human spirit.
Trying to do anything with this experimental under researched area of computer science is a braindead move and you deserve your company to die for trying to rely on it.
ImmersiveMatthew@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 332d
I do not disagree with this possibility, but the one I presented is also possible along with many other possible paths, some unknown. There is even a non zero chance MS gets even bigger and ends up running the world. We just do not know as we do not really know where and when the next AI breakthrough will happen. No one knows.
Cocopanda@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 332d
Do you honestly believe we’ll achieve AGI? I have a great doubt about that.
ImmersiveMatthew@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 332d
I am unsure myself. I am fairly certain that if all other current AI metrics were the same, but logic was significantly better, we would have the start of AGI now. Logic however seems to have been the one metric that did not show much improvement when training sets and compute scaled up. The AI industry is clearly avoiding talking about this massive issue in a meaningful way (some are of course), but you better believe this is the focus area right now as the first to crack will have an instant advantage. Will it be cracked and if so when? No one knows. Could be any day now, could be 10 years + or maybe we discover there is a hard cognitive valley that will be extremely hard to cross.
Given how many companies, small teams and even individuals are trying to crack logic, I suspect we will have some progress in the years to come. If not, AI, and even robots will never really rise to the potential we are expecting.
If logic is not cracked, a lot of people are going to loose a lot of money as the ROI is just not there with the current state of AI. Sure, AI is not going anywhere as it has its use cases in its current form, but the errors inherent in the current tech will hold it back in a big way.