So I heard alcohol increases the rate of birth defects but pregnancy increases the risk of alcohol and alcohol increases the risk of pregnancy it's recursive!
If it does kill you, it'll often be a slow, drawn out death that takes days, if not weeks to kill you. And if it doesn't kill you, it'll give you permanent liver damage. I'm honestly shocked that it's available over the counter, with how close the toxic dose is to the therapeutic dose. Scary stuff
Yeah that's 3 days worth of Tylenol at one every six hours even waking up to take one overnight. You need serious pain to justify that.
And while you might get away with 2 in one dose once or twice if you take it infrequently, the harm is cumulative so don't be trying to claim you can do that for days on end.
Baby won't get born at all if Mama dies of organ failure
Back when gaza war started, someone in the comments referred to Jews as a race. I felt like correcting them, literally copy-pasted a line from wikipedia that says they're ethnoreligious group, not a race. I was banned permamently for hate speech/bigotry.
I'm not sure I'm following your argument. Almost everything is a social construct to humans, that does not make it un-true. I feel like this is one of those anarchistic things people say just to appear smart, while in reality it's meaningless.
When you talk about they stock market you know it is an invention by humans. Same with things like nationality, or ideologies etc.
Race has this veil of credibility. People think it is an actually scientific term rooted in biology. People think you can look at someones DNA and see if they are black/white/Asian. You can not! It is not a scientific term. There is no biological way to separate people into races. It is a social construct that acts like it is not.
What race someone is literally depends on what people think. There's no scientific way to establish the race of someone. A popular example is that Italians and Irish were not considered white.
Idk how you can't follow my argument, it's clearly about the fact that it's not definitive whether Jews are a race or not. It is definitive that they are an ethnic group because you can establish that via culture and heritage and language and obviously, religion.
I think Indians and Taiwanese look very different and don't have a similar origin, but people would say they're both "Asians" by race.
Because I would consider jews a ethnic group since you can be Jewish and have no religious ties and ethnoreligious implies religious ties. So really you need to say secular jews or religious jews. Wikipedia obviously just groups it all together
Distinguishing humans by perceived race into the human and sub human is a Nazi thing. Scientifically motivated racism is a thing today as it was 100 years ago.
I think, ey mixed race and species, and since there's only one surviving species of Homo, i.e. Homo sapiens, distinguishing species by bones is maybe ok? Then again, it's not a race, and biologic classification is somewhat arbitrary anyway
I'm not pregnant, but I intentionally reached for the Tylenol yesterday for a headache.
I never hesitated or thought twice about whether I should take it, and the thought that taking Tylenol would harm me didn't cross my mind.
Acetaminophen is not the problem that some people seem to want to make it out to be.
What did bother me is that the Epstein files are not public right now. Convict and man in the Epstein files, Donald Trump, should go ahead and release them.
The autism claims are unfounded BS, but Acetaminophen is problematic for your liver. Small doses are fine, but a dose the size in the post could cause severe harm or death
Yes but it's a lot easier to OD on acetaminophen than water. If a person with severe pain is tempted to take more than 1 Tylenol every 8 hours, that would be an overdose.
For acetaminophen, there's fewer than 500 deaths per year of acute liver failure that they believe is linked to acetaminophen overdose, in the USA.
For water poisoning, the only figure I could find is "a handful of deaths" per year in the USA. Seems that they don't really track that one very closely.
Either way, we're taking about a fraction of a percentage of the population being affected each year. Last I checked the USA had about 335,000,000 people, so 500 people is around 0.000015% of the population? Or one in ~670,000 people are going to die from it.... per year.
If we're going to split hairs over what's more likely or what's statistically possible, I wouldn't bet on either of these. I'm pretty sure you have a better chance of getting hit by lightning or winning the lotto, than being offed by either, less likely if you have an ounce of intelligence to look up the safe daily dose of anything....
It's a dumb argument to make to say what's more likely. Ok, well, how about this, you're more likely to be hit and killed by a motor vehicle.
The number of people in the US who die from acetaminophen overdose in a year is anywhere from 500 to 100,000 (!) depending upon which source I use. That's what I got from a quick web search. While it's odd (and suspicious) that there's that wide of a range in the claimed mortality, the fact is that is still a lot more than the number of people who die from drinking too much water, which is so rare that it makes the news whenever it happens.
Ibuprofen is not recommended for people with hypertension and with prolonged use, leads to leads to stomach issues. And aspirin lowers platelet adhesion, so also carries risk for people with who bleed easily. Everything carries a risk, that's why studies help show what those risk are and how to minimize/avoid. That's the nuisance missing from the national discussion, kinda intentionally. The right dose is therapeutic, any more and kiss your liver/kidneys goodbye for most drugs.
Tbh I don't know to much about reddit mods and given that all the other Tylenol memes I saw where neutral to posesitiv about autism (oh noo my child will go into IT) and given we're in a place with a high amount of IT nerds (where the neural divergence rate is pretty high) I didn't really interpret the meme as calling reddit mods as autistic to insult the mods. But yes the more I think about it that interpretation probably does makes the most sense and yes I'm not a fan of that.
It's just the most popular American brand of paracetamol/acetaminophen/APAP. It's also the only name for the drug that our President knows how to pronounce.
Don’t take Benadryl (diphenhydramine). Shit would never be approved for use if it were invented today. It fucks with your brain, messes with your reflexes, and is correlated strongly with dementia.
Second and third generation antihistamines work better and are non-drowsy.
One of the things that finally made me realize how potent it is: pilots aren’t allowed to fly for at least 60 hours after taking anticholinergics like diphenhydramine (Benadryl) or doxylamine (another first-gen antihistamine marketed as Unisom, and is also the thing in NyQuil that makes you drowsy).
Tylenol is an extremely common and successful brand of pain relief medicine sold until very recently by Johnson & Johnson. The active ingredient is N-acetyl-para-aminophenol. This has been variously shortened to Acetaminophen, Paracetamol, or indeed Tylenol. Other medicines are sold under the Tylenol brand, such as Tylenol PM which is Acetaminophen and Dyphenhydramine (the drowsiness medication with a side effect of allergy relief that powers Benadryl and Sominex).
Here in Europe I've only ever seen it sold as paracetamol, and it tends to just be generic supermarket brand. Looking in my medicine, random keys, and elastic bands draw (everyone has one) even my allergen medication is just sold as antihistamine, with no branding.
The generic term used in the United States is Acetaminophen. Europeans don't know what that is, Americans don't know what Paracetamol is, they're the same thing. Generics are available but brand name Tylenol is ubiquitous here.
Tylenol is a brand that is old enough to be from a time before trademark law had been abused to death, back when a brand name meant you know who makes this. That idea is even more fundamental to American culture than freedom of speech but it got smothered in bed first.
You know what's funny to imagine, Trump standing up and in his rambling incohate voice declaring "We found that guns cause autism" can you imagine the existential sundering this would cause among his base. The mental backflips. Its a shame Trump isn't a better shitposter and just came out with this weak ass paracetamol shit.
I love how they chose fucking acetaminophen as a drug to go after. Probably one of the literal safest OTC drugs, and we've known that for nearly half a century.
Also don't take more than the recommended max dosage. Taking 10 grams of acetaminophen in 24 hours is enough for possible fatal liver damage. That's 20 to 30 pills, depending on dosage.
For comparison, ibuprofen has an LD50 of 636mg/kg of body weight. For 70kg bodyweight, that means consuming over 40 grams of ibuprofen (200+ regular strength pills).
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guillem@aussie.zone · 150 pts · 321d
frosty99c@midwest.social · 80 pts · 321d
And alcohol interacts with it and increases the risk. So, 2.5g + alcohol is enough to kill you.
danc4498@lemmy.world · 42 pts · 321d
Please, if you’re pregnant, do not mix alcohol and Tylenol. Choose one or the other*.
*i am not a doctor. This is not medical advice
edgemaster72@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 321d
I choose alcohol and tylenol and no pregnancy
cowboydiplomat@startrek.website · 4 pts · 321d
This is the way.
ryannathans@aussie.zone · 10 pts · 321d
Don't drink alcohol pregnant..
CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 20 pts · 321d
I didn't know alcohol could get pregnant.
KSPAtlas@sopuli.xyz · 4 pts · 321d
Congratulations! It's a methanol!
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 321d
or any medication with GRAPEFRUITS.
Quetzalcutlass@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 321d
Even a single gram can be fatal if fired at sufficient velocity!
stupidcasey@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 321d
So I heard alcohol increases the rate of birth defects but pregnancy increases the risk of alcohol and alcohol increases the risk of pregnancy it's recursive!
AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net · 3 pts · 320d
If it does kill you, it'll often be a slow, drawn out death that takes days, if not weeks to kill you. And if it doesn't kill you, it'll give you permanent liver damage. I'm honestly shocked that it's available over the counter, with how close the toxic dose is to the therapeutic dose. Scary stuff
Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works · 22 pts · 321d
Yeah that's 3 days worth of Tylenol at one every six hours even waking up to take one overnight. You need serious pain to justify that.
And while you might get away with 2 in one dose once or twice if you take it infrequently, the harm is cumulative so don't be trying to claim you can do that for days on end.
Baby won't get born at all if Mama dies of organ failure
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 321d
or from Fevers that can damage organs and babies, from an infeciton.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 320d
that's 10 pills a day. WTF.
Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works · 68 pts · 321d
Make sure you ask your husband or an opinionated older white man first!
Agent641@lemmy.world · 39 pts · 321d
Now that you're pregnant, you'll need to run all your decisions past someone with rights, like your husband or a congressman.
ComfortableRaspberry@feddit.org · 18 pts · 321d
I'm sorry misinformed peasant but as soon as a female embryo exists it needs male guardianship. Can't leave that incubator unattended!
diffaldo@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 321d
You made me snort my coffee🤣🤣
Wolf@lemmy.today · 15 pts · 321d
Opinionated older white man here, I think people should do whatever they want.
scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech · 17 pts · 321d
No no not like that
MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 321d
No no, he has a point.
As another opinionated white man, people really should do whatever they want.
LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 320d
I hereby vote WOLF FOR PRESIDENT & SUPREME RULER!
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 321d
Actors over 60...
REDACTED@infosec.pub · 39 pts · 321d
Back when gaza war started, someone in the comments referred to Jews as a race. I felt like correcting them, literally copy-pasted a line from wikipedia that says they're ethnoreligious group, not a race. I was banned permamently for hate speech/bigotry.
bigFab@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 321d
How dare you bring universally accepted facts to a modern discussion. That's fucking antisemitic.
Quokka@quokk.au · 18 pts · 321d
There is only one human race —Homosapiensapiens.
Jewish is both an ethnicity (what people think of as race) and a religion.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 6 pts · 321d
they also have associated genetic disease more pervasive/exclusive in thier populations than others
crmsnbleyd@sopuli.xyz · 7 pts · 321d
race is a social construct, I don't think wikipedia would have a definitive list of races
REDACTED@infosec.pub · 6 pts · 321d
I'm not sure I'm following your argument. Almost everything is a social construct to humans, that does not make it un-true. I feel like this is one of those anarchistic things people say just to appear smart, while in reality it's meaningless.
groet@feddit.org · 6 pts · 321d
When you talk about they stock market you know it is an invention by humans. Same with things like nationality, or ideologies etc.
Race has this veil of credibility. People think it is an actually scientific term rooted in biology. People think you can look at someones DNA and see if they are black/white/Asian. You can not! It is not a scientific term. There is no biological way to separate people into races. It is a social construct that acts like it is not.
crmsnbleyd@sopuli.xyz · 4 pts · 320d
What race someone is literally depends on what people think. There's no scientific way to establish the race of someone. A popular example is that Italians and Irish were not considered white.
Idk how you can't follow my argument, it's clearly about the fact that it's not definitive whether Jews are a race or not. It is definitive that they are an ethnic group because you can establish that via culture and heritage and language and obviously, religion.
I think Indians and Taiwanese look very different and don't have a similar origin, but people would say they're both "Asians" by race.
halferect@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 321d
I mean you are kinda wrong too
REDACTED@infosec.pub · 4 pts · 321d
Elaborate.
Just in case, this is where I copied it from, the very first sentence; https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews
halferect@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 321d
Because I would consider jews a ethnic group since you can be Jewish and have no religious ties and ethnoreligious implies religious ties. So really you need to say secular jews or religious jews. Wikipedia obviously just groups it all together
REDACTED@infosec.pub · 3 pts · 321d
Good point, can't argue against it since I lack knowledge in this field
LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 320d
Ah yes you just reminded me of the time I was banned from Reddit too for copy-pasting a fact from Wikipedia 🤦🏼♀️
Gladaed@feddit.org · -2 pts · 321d
The descriptor race in English tends to mean people of a certain ethnicity. I.e. you wrong. Also race theory sucks and is Nazi ideology.
REDACTED@infosec.pub · -8 pts · 321d
Unhinged. It's not a nazi ideology, it's biology. We can tell races apart from looking at the bones, race is not an imaginary thing.
EDIT: I do feel like pointing out that what you do with this information can be classified as racism, but saying races exist is not a nazi ideology.
Gladaed@feddit.org · 5 pts · 320d
Distinguishing humans by perceived race into the human and sub human is a Nazi thing. Scientifically motivated racism is a thing today as it was 100 years ago.
Rassentheorie – Wikipedia https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rassentheorie
sukhmel@programming.dev · 1 pts · 320d
I think, ey mixed race and species, and since there's only one surviving species of Homo, i.e. Homo sapiens, distinguishing species by bones is maybe ok? Then again, it's not a race, and biologic classification is somewhat arbitrary anyway
MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca · 25 pts · 321d
I'm not pregnant, but I intentionally reached for the Tylenol yesterday for a headache.
I never hesitated or thought twice about whether I should take it, and the thought that taking Tylenol would harm me didn't cross my mind.
Acetaminophen is not the problem that some people seem to want to make it out to be.
What did bother me is that the Epstein files are not public right now. Convict and man in the Epstein files, Donald Trump, should go ahead and release them.
Animated_beans@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 320d
The autism claims are unfounded BS, but Acetaminophen is problematic for your liver. Small doses are fine, but a dose the size in the post could cause severe harm or death
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/toxic-hepatitis/symptoms-causes/syc-20352202
MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca · 0 pts · 320d
And too much water will cause you to dilute the electrolytes in your body so much that you can no longer command your heart to beat.
Anything is dangerous if you use it wrong enough.
LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 320d
Yes but it's a lot easier to OD on acetaminophen than water. If a person with severe pain is tempted to take more than 1 Tylenol every 8 hours, that would be an overdose.
MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca · -1 pts · 320d
For acetaminophen, there's fewer than 500 deaths per year of acute liver failure that they believe is linked to acetaminophen overdose, in the USA.
For water poisoning, the only figure I could find is "a handful of deaths" per year in the USA. Seems that they don't really track that one very closely.
Either way, we're taking about a fraction of a percentage of the population being affected each year. Last I checked the USA had about 335,000,000 people, so 500 people is around 0.000015% of the population? Or one in ~670,000 people are going to die from it.... per year.
If we're going to split hairs over what's more likely or what's statistically possible, I wouldn't bet on either of these. I'm pretty sure you have a better chance of getting hit by lightning or winning the lotto, than being offed by either, less likely if you have an ounce of intelligence to look up the safe daily dose of anything....
It's a dumb argument to make to say what's more likely. Ok, well, how about this, you're more likely to be hit and killed by a motor vehicle.
It doesn't mean anything.
douglasg14b@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 319d
Acetaminophen is known to be liver toxic in very accessable doses.
This does not necessarily lead to death, but does lead to a significantly reduced quality of life and lifespan.
You're making a bad faith argument here, stop that bs.
MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca · -1 pts · 319d
Bad faith argument?
This entire discussion is a bad faith argument.
I'm just stoking the fire. That's all.
zarkanian@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 319d
The number of people in the US who die from acetaminophen overdose in a year is anywhere from 500 to 100,000 (!) depending upon which source I use. That's what I got from a quick web search. While it's odd (and suspicious) that there's that wide of a range in the claimed mortality, the fact is that is still a lot more than the number of people who die from drinking too much water, which is so rare that it makes the news whenever it happens.
ThunderclapSasquatch@startrek.website · 0 pts · 320d
Congrats you've let them drag us into the horse paste territory
zarkanian@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 319d
No, it doesn't cause autism, but there are certainly safer painkillers. That's why I'll take ibuprofen or aspirin instead, if I have a choice.
Megamanexent@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 319d
Ibuprofen is not recommended for people with hypertension and with prolonged use, leads to leads to stomach issues. And aspirin lowers platelet adhesion, so also carries risk for people with who bleed easily. Everything carries a risk, that's why studies help show what those risk are and how to minimize/avoid. That's the nuisance missing from the national discussion, kinda intentionally. The right dose is therapeutic, any more and kiss your liver/kidneys goodbye for most drugs.
MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 320d
Fuck Reddit and Fuck Spez.
LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 320d
Yes but can you agree that the post is funny because it's insulting reddit?
Spez's mom must've severely OD'd on Tylenol when he was in her womb because he became an ultimate autism supreme commander.
Dandelion@programming.dev · 4 pts · 320d
Using autism as an insult is pretty bad taste tbh
LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 320d
Tell that to OP. They posted the "bad taste" joke, that reddit moderators all have autism.
Dandelion@programming.dev · 1 pts · 320d
Tbh I don't know to much about reddit mods and given that all the other Tylenol memes I saw where neutral to posesitiv about autism (oh noo my child will go into IT) and given we're in a place with a high amount of IT nerds (where the neural divergence rate is pretty high) I didn't really interpret the meme as calling reddit mods as autistic to insult the mods. But yes the more I think about it that interpretation probably does makes the most sense and yes I'm not a fan of that.
zarkanian@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 319d
I took it as an insult to autistic people.
MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 320d
No.
LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 320d
Remember_the_tooth@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 321d
What?! Director of Network Control Systems for Union-Pacific?! I had such high hopes for you!
AmanitaCaesarea@slrpnk.net · 9 pts · 321d
Why is this trending so much lately? I only know it's autism candy or something
JandroDelSol@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 320d
rfk jr is claiming that Tylenol (not acetaminophen, specifically Tylenol) causes autism and not vaccines lol
Katana314@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 320d
The real active ingredient was the BRANDING.
GlenRambo@jlai.lu · 8 pts · 321d
I wondered too. Seems to be related to the new America.
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/events/autism-announcement-tylenol-causes-autism-press-conference
AmanitaCaesarea@slrpnk.net · 3 pts · 320d
Yall the real mvps, thanks lemmings! I tune out a bit on the world news, always more to be depressed about lol.
TwinTitans@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 321d
She’s gonna need more….
echodot@feddit.uk · 5 pts · 321d
What drug is Tylenol because I always just assumed it was an antihistamine but apparently it's a painkiller?
Fuck_u_spez_@sh.itjust.works · 22 pts · 321d
It's just the most popular American brand of paracetamol/acetaminophen/APAP. It's also the only name for the drug that our President knows how to pronounce.
Soup@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 321d
Lol yes, it’s a painkiller haha. Fairly mild, too, but usually the extra-strength version is what you’ll get after surgeries and stuff.
Benadryl is the kleenex of anti-allergy meds.
TheRealKuni@piefed.social · 1 pts · 320d
Don’t take Benadryl (diphenhydramine). Shit would never be approved for use if it were invented today. It fucks with your brain, messes with your reflexes, and is correlated strongly with dementia.
Second and third generation antihistamines work better and are non-drowsy.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 320d
benadryl should have been pulled years ago if the FDA wasn't a total fucking joke. And tylenol should be controlled.
Soup@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 320d
Fair enough. I don’t take it, personally, though.
TheRealKuni@piefed.social · 1 pts · 320d
I used to, until I learned more about it.
One of the things that finally made me realize how potent it is: pilots aren’t allowed to fly for at least 60 hours after taking anticholinergics like diphenhydramine (Benadryl) or doxylamine (another first-gen antihistamine marketed as Unisom, and is also the thing in NyQuil that makes you drowsy).
Soup@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 320d
Dang!
captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 321d
Tylenol is an extremely common and successful brand of pain relief medicine sold until very recently by Johnson & Johnson. The active ingredient is N-acetyl-para-aminophenol. This has been variously shortened to Acetaminophen, Paracetamol, or indeed Tylenol. Other medicines are sold under the Tylenol brand, such as Tylenol PM which is Acetaminophen and Dyphenhydramine (the drowsiness medication with a side effect of allergy relief that powers Benadryl and Sominex).
echodot@feddit.uk · 5 pts · 321d
Here in Europe I've only ever seen it sold as paracetamol, and it tends to just be generic supermarket brand. Looking in my medicine, random keys, and elastic bands draw (everyone has one) even my allergen medication is just sold as antihistamine, with no branding.
captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 320d
The generic term used in the United States is Acetaminophen. Europeans don't know what that is, Americans don't know what Paracetamol is, they're the same thing. Generics are available but brand name Tylenol is ubiquitous here.
Tylenol is a brand that is old enough to be from a time before trademark law had been abused to death, back when a brand name meant you know who makes this. That idea is even more fundamental to American culture than freedom of speech but it got smothered in bed first.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 320d
Acetominophen, an analgesic (for pain) and antipyretic (for fever). It's not an antihistimine.
I have never used it, and never will. Far too toxic on the liver and blocking fever is a bad idea during infection.
shads@lemy.lol · 4 pts · 320d
You know what's funny to imagine, Trump standing up and in his rambling incohate voice declaring "We found that guns cause autism" can you imagine the existential sundering this would cause among his base. The mental backflips. Its a shame Trump isn't a better shitposter and just came out with this weak ass paracetamol shit.
Ceruleum@lemmy.wtf · 3 pts · 320d
Be carefull! The baby can become a dogwalker!!
rockettaco37@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 320d
I love how they chose fucking acetaminophen as a drug to go after. Probably one of the literal safest OTC drugs, and we've known that for nearly half a century.
altphoto@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 320d
It kills your liver if you use it for prolonged periods of time.... But totally unrelated. Just remember to drink enough water and you'll be fine.
davad@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 320d
Also don't take more than the recommended max dosage. Taking 10 grams of acetaminophen in 24 hours is enough for possible fatal liver damage. That's 20 to 30 pills, depending on dosage.
For comparison, ibuprofen has an LD50 of 636mg/kg of body weight. For 70kg bodyweight, that means consuming over 40 grams of ibuprofen (200+ regular strength pills).
Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 320d
Yeah but Advil coating tastes like M&M
rockettaco37@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 319d
Oh of course. I don't mean to say that no risk exists with it, but it's still probably one of the safest OTC drugs
individual@toast.ooo · 2 pts · 321d