Same for fruit juice but many people don't know and think it's healthy. Try eating 10 oranges. If you succeed, you've eaten a giant dose of fiber etc with it, so it's still not nearly as bad.
Too many do not. "American cheese" is not cheese imo; mature cheddar doesn't melt as well maybe, but the sharpness brings a lot more to the table. Especially with a hot mustard in the mix.
For the sake of the healthy argument it's kinda irrelevant though. American cheese is cheddar with water, and then they use a chemical to bind the cheddar to the water. That makes it melt faster because it's already more watery than cheddar.
Afaik water is not unhealthy so American cheese is really not more unhealthy than cheddar.
If you make it with good cheese I'm open to it. The stuff you buy in stores tastes nothing like cheddar to me, but I've seen internet chefs make their own.
Here's a short reminder that the WHO recommends limiting the daily intake of sugars to 10% of your calorie supply (approx. 50g sugar/day for me) for beneficial health effects.
Limiting intake of free sugars to less than 10% of total energy intake (2, 7) is part of a healthy diet. A further reduction to less than 5% of total energy intake is suggested for additional health benefits (7).
Orange juice where i live has 10g sugars in 100ml of juice, so if you drink 1 L of it, you already take in 100g of sugars all in one go.
It's a lot, actually. It has about the same amount of sugar as soda, quite unhealthy and IMO quite obvious while you're drinking it. I definitely notice when I ingest that much sugar.
If you were to juice the oranges yourself, that would be about 12 oranges, depending on size.
Also, dedicated juice glasses are often way smaller than regular water glasses, nevermind pint glasses.
A burger is majorly meat and bread with a fatty ground beef with a hint of vegetables. In the “healthy” section I’d expect the diet to be more vegetables heavy as those have less calories and more nutrients.
Also the bread in healthy is a bit of a misnomer IMO. It’s not awful for you but I wouldn’t call a baguette pure “healthy” eating.
I went to the us a few months ago and the bread there is so weird. We got "brown" bread but it was so soft and light that it didnt seem like brown bread at all. I have read that brown bread in the states is sometimes just white bread with food colouring so maybe it was that
If you buy the ingredients you can verify the quality and freshness and absence of additives and such. When you buy a burger you can do none of those things. Pretty obvious difference. Homemade burgers with high quality ingredients and non excessive amounts of meat are super healthy. Maybe use some actual wholegrain bread instead of this white paper stuff tho.
Fat red meat isn't that healthy, and even one small burger is already a pretty big portion of it, especially compared to the quantities of the other ingredients and how filling it is (i.e. not very filling).
The real bread isn't good for you. Those are empty, fiberless carbs.
The bun is bread + an assload of sugar + oil. Though, they do at least include sesame seeds as fiber.
4oz of lean chopped steak is (relatively) better for you than 12oz of 80/20 ground beef But that looks like more than 4oz.
The real problem is that the proportions are all wrong.
You should have a bowl of lettuce with 1/2 a chopped tomato and 1/4 of a diced onion, a couple ounces of ground beef crumbles and maybe some garlic croutons.
You should have a bowl of lettuce with 1/2 a chopped tomato and 1/4 of a diced onion, a couple ounces of ground beef crumbles and maybe some garlic croutons.
I recall doing things like this when doing keto (skipping the croutons of course). You can get close to a burger flavor and aroma profile if you add dill (or dill pickles), ketchup, and/or mustard as a dressing. The result is satisfactory if you're craving the real thing. Olfactory memory is incredibly potent, so use it to your dieting advantage.
Burgers can be pretty healthy if you're an endurance athlete. It's not exactly a balanced meal, but I try to balance the food I eat in a day. It can be exhausting trying to get every meal right every time. Beef fat isn't exactly good for your heart though, and I like the taste of chicken better.
But really you should be eating to fit your lifestyle. The human body is pretty amazing and can thrive with a wide variety of diets.
I just try to eat as much food as I possibly can in the span of one hour from uni cafeteria (2.95€ for as much as I can fit on my plate) and call it a day with eating.
For 2 people that comes to €41.30 a week, or £35.96. For the 2 of us we usually spend around £25 a week on shopping and that also includes non food things like toilet roll. Although I suppose you could try and save your shitting to the cafeteria too.
You could alternate days eating to further cut down on costs. How many kcal can you eat in an hour there, can you get your stomach used to feasting every other day?
a big chunk of meat can’t be good for you, whether it’s inside a burger or not
The red meat is perfectly healthy and wont cause any issues.
It's the industrial oils on the sauces, the processed food with extra sugar in the bread, the carbohydrates drenched in highly oxidized oil in the french fries, and the high sugar soda that will drive a massive inflammation, and blood glucose spike - and that is why a burger meal is unhealthy
It's also the fact that (At least in the US) burgers get served next to a pile of french fries. Calorie mountain. Eating a burger without fries isn't a bad meal. Sub them with apple slices or olives or another pickle.
this specific bread is unhealthy because it's soulless white bread, it's just a starch and gluten sponge.
Bread with some whole grain and/or nuts/seeds are fine.
bread is made of carbohydrates, carbohydrates get converted into blood glucose, blood glucose drives insulin, persistently elevated insulin levels leads to insulin resistance and metabolic dysfunction.
In fact when traveling going to McDonalds and ordering a deconstructed burger (only meat) with extra meat patties is a common way to eat clean keto. Their patties are real beef and they are cooked in their own fat, so no extra industrial oil - it's pretty clean
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DaddleDew@lemmy.world · 107 pts · 307d
People keep blaming the burger and completely ignore the big gulp soda consisting mostly of high fructose corn syrup that people usually have with it.
user224@lemmy.sdf.org · 30 pts · 307d
212g of sugar in a 2L bottle of coke (Coca Cola states 10.6g per 100ml). One teaspoon is roughly 4g of sugar.
53 teaspoons of sugar in that bottle.
Interesting.
sexy_peach@feddit.org · 5 pts · 306d
Same for fruit juice but many people don't know and think it's healthy. Try eating 10 oranges. If you succeed, you've eaten a giant dose of fiber etc with it, so it's still not nearly as bad.
brucethemoose@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 305d
Not to speak of the sugar added to most fruit juice.
That's mind-boggling to me. I know why (it's cheap), but still.
sexy_peach@feddit.org · 2 pts · 305d
Are you sure? Where I live fruit juice is a protected term and means pure fruit juice. Otherwise it might be called nectar etc
sexy_peach@feddit.org · 2 pts · 305d
EU
brucethemoose@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 305d
Ha! That’s definitely not true in the US, at least not on packaging I’ve seen.
It’s a great idea though.
FuckFascism@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 307d
princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 10 pts · 307d
Who doesn't use real cheese? I put real cheese on my homemade burgers...
yakko@feddit.uk · 5 pts · 307d
Too many do not. "American cheese" is not cheese imo; mature cheddar doesn't melt as well maybe, but the sharpness brings a lot more to the table. Especially with a hot mustard in the mix.
fushuan@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 307d
For the sake of the healthy argument it's kinda irrelevant though. American cheese is cheddar with water, and then they use a chemical to bind the cheddar to the water. That makes it melt faster because it's already more watery than cheddar.
Afaik water is not unhealthy so American cheese is really not more unhealthy than cheddar.
yakko@feddit.uk · 3 pts · 306d
Second thoughts reminding me - the emulsifiers aren't great for you unless taken sparingly.
yakko@feddit.uk · 2 pts · 306d
If you make it with good cheese I'm open to it. The stuff you buy in stores tastes nothing like cheddar to me, but I've seen internet chefs make their own.
Feathercrown@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 306d
Pepper Jack wins no diff
yakko@feddit.uk · 2 pts · 306d
I love pepper jack but I haven't seen it in years. England ain't about it for some reason.
Feathercrown@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 305d
That's unfortunate
gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de · 13 pts · 306d
Here's a short reminder that the WHO recommends limiting the daily intake of sugars to 10% of your calorie supply (approx. 50g sugar/day for me) for beneficial health effects.
Orange juice where i live has 10g sugars in 100ml of juice, so if you drink 1 L of it, you already take in 100g of sugars all in one go.
rumschlumpel@feddit.org · 5 pts · 306d
Implying 1l of orange juice is not a lot, or at least doesn't feel like a lot?
Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de · 1 pts · 296d
it's like, 3 glasses? maybe 2 if they're tall ones? i don't think 3 glasses of OJ is that much
rumschlumpel@feddit.org · 1 pts · 296d
It's a lot, actually. It has about the same amount of sugar as soda, quite unhealthy and IMO quite obvious while you're drinking it. I definitely notice when I ingest that much sugar.
If you were to juice the oranges yourself, that would be about 12 oranges, depending on size.
Also, dedicated juice glasses are often way smaller than regular water glasses, nevermind pint glasses.
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 305d
Who is drinking a litre of orange juice though?
Scavenger8294@feddit.org · -1 pts · 305d
yea this high quality red meat with trans fats adds 100 points to you health
criss_cross@lemmy.world · 101 pts · 307d
Well it’s about proportion.
A burger is majorly meat and bread with a fatty ground beef with a hint of vegetables. In the “healthy” section I’d expect the diet to be more vegetables heavy as those have less calories and more nutrients.
Also the bread in healthy is a bit of a misnomer IMO. It’s not awful for you but I wouldn’t call a baguette pure “healthy” eating.
drolex@sopuli.xyz · 40 pts · 307d
🇨🇵😡
FuckFascism@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 307d
hayvan@feddit.nl · 5 pts · 305d
Yeah you need to add at least 2 cigarettes.
brb@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 307d
True, white bread is just empty calories
abcdqfr@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 307d
I'm petty sure some us processed white bread qualifies as cake by other countries nutritional standards
milk@discuss.tchncs.de · 4 pts · 306d
I went to the us a few months ago and the bread there is so weird. We got "brown" bread but it was so soft and light that it didnt seem like brown bread at all. I have read that brown bread in the states is sometimes just white bread with food colouring so maybe it was that
ninjakttty@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 306d
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/01/irish-court-rules-subway-bread-is-not-bread
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 305d
Well they do add sugar to it, why does it even need sugar?
unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de · 35 pts · 307d
If you buy the ingredients you can verify the quality and freshness and absence of additives and such. When you buy a burger you can do none of those things. Pretty obvious difference. Homemade burgers with high quality ingredients and non excessive amounts of meat are super healthy. Maybe use some actual wholegrain bread instead of this white paper stuff tho.
rumschlumpel@feddit.org · 28 pts · 307d
Fat red meat isn't that healthy, and even one small burger is already a pretty big portion of it, especially compared to the quantities of the other ingredients and how filling it is (i.e. not very filling).
A_norny_mousse@feddit.org · 26 pts · 307d
I'd love a burger made from these ingredients. Except the onion, I don't like raw onion. Anyhow, it's not junk food. This is junk food:
rumba@lemmy.zip · 20 pts · 306d
The real bread isn't good for you. Those are empty, fiberless carbs.
The bun is bread + an assload of sugar + oil. Though, they do at least include sesame seeds as fiber.
4oz of lean chopped steak is (relatively) better for you than 12oz of 80/20 ground beef But that looks like more than 4oz.
The real problem is that the proportions are all wrong.
You should have a bowl of lettuce with 1/2 a chopped tomato and 1/4 of a diced onion, a couple ounces of ground beef crumbles and maybe some garlic croutons.
dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 306d
I recall doing things like this when doing keto (skipping the croutons of course). You can get close to a burger flavor and aroma profile if you add dill (or dill pickles), ketchup, and/or mustard as a dressing. The result is satisfactory if you're craving the real thing. Olfactory memory is incredibly potent, so use it to your dieting advantage.
rumba@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 306d
Yes, indeed, I also spent quite a while in Keto. Taco salads were my fav.
greedytacothief@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 17 pts · 306d
Burgers can be pretty healthy if you're an endurance athlete. It's not exactly a balanced meal, but I try to balance the food I eat in a day. It can be exhausting trying to get every meal right every time. Beef fat isn't exactly good for your heart though, and I like the taste of chicken better.
But really you should be eating to fit your lifestyle. The human body is pretty amazing and can thrive with a wide variety of diets.
horse@feddit.org · 14 pts · 306d
The best part about being an endurance athlete is being able to eat shitloads of food.
axEl7fB5@lemmy.cafe · 7 pts · 306d
The worst part about being an endurance athlete is having to eat shitloads of food.
Smorty@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 13 pts · 307d
burgers with
seem reasonable- thads whad u call a sandwich!
gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de · 1 pts · 306d
why no sauces?
Smorty@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 306d
arent those likw - the ungealthiest part of a burgr?
rumschlumpel@feddit.org · 4 pts · 306d
Most sauces traditionally used on burgers are basically flavored sugar syrup. Something like mustard should be fine, though.
KernelTale@programming.dev · 13 pts · 306d
I just try to eat as much food as I possibly can in the span of one hour from uni cafeteria (2.95€ for as much as I can fit on my plate) and call it a day with eating.
djsoren19@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 15 pts · 306d
Ah yes, the snake style of eating
hodgepodgin@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 306d
you have 3 euro lunches? last time I checked my uni (which is extremely big), sold a small club sandwhich for 12 us dollars.
KernelTale@programming.dev · 2 pts · 306d
Yep, currently studying in Finland. Everything here is more expensive than I am used to but their school lunches are better subsidized
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 306d
For 2 people that comes to €41.30 a week, or £35.96. For the 2 of us we usually spend around £25 a week on shopping and that also includes non food things like toilet roll. Although I suppose you could try and save your shitting to the cafeteria too.
You could alternate days eating to further cut down on costs. How many kcal can you eat in an hour there, can you get your stomach used to feasting every other day?
KernelTale@programming.dev · 1 pts · 306d
MisterNeon@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 307d
The burger has cheese on it.
Cevilia@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 11 pts · 307d
kattfisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 305d
And bacon, and sauce. All of which are likely the most unhealthy parts of it.
renzhexiangjiao@piefed.blahaj.zone · 11 pts · 307d
a big chunk of meat can't be good for you, whether it's inside a burger or not
jet@hackertalks.com · -1 pts · 305d
The red meat is perfectly healthy and wont cause any issues.
It's the industrial oils on the sauces, the processed food with extra sugar in the bread, the carbohydrates drenched in highly oxidized oil in the french fries, and the high sugar soda that will drive a massive inflammation, and blood glucose spike - and that is why a burger meal is unhealthy
danhab99@programming.dev · 9 pts · 306d
It's the bread. Everything else is healthy
Ashenlux@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 15 pts · 306d
Eating bread in moderation is perfect fine and healthy too. It is all just about moderation.
Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 306d
I've eaten only bread for 3 weeks straight. This is healthy
infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net · 7 pts · 306d
It's also the fact that (At least in the US) burgers get served next to a pile of french fries. Calorie mountain. Eating a burger without fries isn't a bad meal. Sub them with apple slices or olives or another pickle.
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 306d
The bread isn't really the problem, it's the added sugars to "bring out its flavor".
Mikrochip@feddit.org · 5 pts · 306d
Do they really add sugar to bread in the USA? Sounds so wild to me.
Anyhow, light bread isn't terrible, but wole-grain bread makes for a much more balanced diet.
filcuk@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 305d
Ireland declared subway breads are actually cakes due to the amount of sugar (some sugar in bread is 'natural' though)
_stranger_@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 306d
Maybe cut back on that half pound of beef every day.
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 306d
Who is eating a burger every day?
axEl7fB5@lemmy.cafe · 4 pts · 306d
Why is bread not healthy??
Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de · 1 pts · 296d
this specific bread is unhealthy because it's soulless white bread, it's just a starch and gluten sponge.
Bread with some whole grain and/or nuts/seeds are fine.
jet@hackertalks.com · 0 pts · 305d
bread is made of carbohydrates, carbohydrates get converted into blood glucose, blood glucose drives insulin, persistently elevated insulin levels leads to insulin resistance and metabolic dysfunction.
LotrOrc@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 306d
Bread can be perfectly healthy and good for you like everything else in the burger
Just dont eat shitty completely processed bread with no nutrition
Almacca@aussie.zone · 3 pts · 307d
The Whitlams - I Make Hamburgers
jet@hackertalks.com · 0 pts · 305d
Solution!
In fact when traveling going to McDonalds and ordering a deconstructed burger (only meat) with extra meat patties is a common way to eat clean keto. Their patties are real beef and they are cooked in their own fat, so no extra industrial oil - it's pretty clean