I'm afraid it's far too late for that. You think things are bad now? You just wait. Shit's gonna start getting extremely ugly when the massive house of cards that is the current US economy starts falling down - which I personally would normally peg to start happening in earnest by early next year, but with Trump deliberately destroying the very source that would let us all know the numbers behind what's actually going on in the economy all bets on timing are off. The longer it gets put off, the worse it's gonna be, however.
Iâm just pulling for some Americans to do the right thing and start putting holes in these fascists. Doesnât seem like itâs going to happen though, theyâre happy just memeing their way to hell.
Unlike in the past, there are a million and one ways to avoid reality nowadays (heck, I'm doing so by spending time here). That, and the fact the bulk of the angry gun-owning types are on the MAGAt side of the isle. This crash is going to be like none before, so it's impossible to make predictions (beyond any obvious ones) on what will happen.
While I agree we should be cautious and fight back, that's just not true. The Business Plot, for example, just sort of didn't happen and fizzled out. This isn't to imply nothing should be done, because we definitely need to work to ensure they don't achieve their goals, but Fascists have lost to less than bullets. This also isn't saying dead Fascists aren't desired. It's only stating that your comment isn't exactly accurate.
Saying the only way to fight back is by killing people leaves a whole lot of people doing nothing. There's a lot more you can do besides picking up a gun. Your message plays into their hands, not ours.
Just like Christianâs donât consider Christianity anything besides âthe truthâ American conservatives/maga/gop also donât think their political beliefs are political, just âcommon senseâ
Hegseth is a cartoon villain that shouldn't be anywhere near a position of power
Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth has reposted and praised a video interview of a self-described Christian nationalist pastor whose church doesn't believe women should be allowed to vote.
Got curious... apparently there was a Trump Tower Wolfenstein mod (wolf and doom are easy to mod with simple graphic changes, so I figured someone did it)
Trumpâs spiritual advisor is a woman. Everyone will be out for a power grab when he dies. Right now they just pretend to be ok with whatever doesnât align with their beliefs.
"All I've had from them so far, from the people I've talked to, is a combination of disbelief that some of them were made to fly from, some of them, Asia, from all over the world ... all the way to Quanico to listen to the same familiar type of culture war complaints that we've been having since Trump was reelected," she added, calling Trump's remarks a "campaign-style stump speech."
They love making people do shit like this, and absolutely despise being reminded that someone can make them do it.
As long as they don't bitch out and resign, this is going to backfire on trump.
Even if he tries to kick them out, they can drag their feet thru the official process, and if trump starts circumventing that widescale, the rest will close ranks and do a coup out of pure self interest.
You don't get that high up without putting your career over everything, and trump just threatened their careers.
Even if he tries to kick them out, they can drag their feet thru the official process, and if trump starts circumventing that widescale, the rest will close ranks and do a coup out of pure self interest.
Things might get spicy when we finally have folks that decide to uphold their oaths to uphold the Constitution. We certainly haven't seen any in the Executive Branch yet, and most of the Judicial and Legislative seems to be abdicating their oaths too.
Note the oath the enlisted take specifically says they will follow the orders of the President.
That's not the one that matters.
The officer's oath does not include that, specifically for this reason:
I ___, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God. (Title 5 U.S. Code 3331, an individual, except the President, elected or appointed to an office of honor or profit in the civil service or uniformed services)
I've already seen the taking point showing up on the right that the "... and domestic" part applies to the "antifa terrorists turning our cities into war zones and besieging federal (especially ICE) buildings."
I really hope that GOs don't take the oath lightly. When I taught that lesson to my cadets it was a serious conversation and usually involved stories about commanders I knew who got fired or court-martialed for everything including extra-marital affairs, to belittling subordinates, to fabricating illegal orders (and then breaking international law). I hope it doesn't come to it, but I imagine that a military court would be less partisan than our current courts have been.
We certainly havenât seen any in the Executive Branch yet, and most of the Judicial and Legislative seems to be abdicating their oaths too.
And these generals will follow suit. People keep saying how serious and career-driven they are. What makes you think they won't put their career over the constitution like everyone else?
The federal courts are filled with people appointed through the political process, and a lot of the bullshit that's made it through the courts is a result of venue shopping to find sympathetic judges. But more importantly, the Trump administration has been losing a lot in court... until the Supreme Court steps in and reverses those rulings on the shadow docket. It's not the whole judicial branch that's the problem, just the ones that matter the most.
The legislature isn't doing its job because it's controlled by Republicans, and as a party they've gone through multiple purges to root out anyone who would put the country or the constitution ahead of Trump's slightest whim.
The executive branch has been under siege all year, a lot of people were fired without cause, and a lot of other people are resigning or getting fired rather than doing shit that's illegal and unconstitutional. While in some instances there are lawsuits making their way through the courts, there's only so much they can do after they get escorted out of the building.
To the best of my knowledge, the leadership of the military has had much more continuity and isn't so easily stacked with loyalists. You can't just grab some 20 something techbro douchebag from Elon's little band of hitler youth, or the last lawyer that was dumb enough to represent Trump and make them a general.
And there is also a big difference between what might be demanded of some congressman or civil servant compared to the military. While I doubt we'll see anyone directly disobeying an order from the white house that has troops standing around outside federal buildings, I do think it's pretty likely that an order to nuke an American city would be disobeyed. The question for each of them is where they draw the line. Openly defying orders is not something to be done lightly in the military.
I hope every single one of them realizes that they were used as seat fillers for more culture war bullshit. Iâm sure they can see right through these two man-babies for the weak human beings they are and will think twice when theyâre asked to do something illegal/immoral for them.
Mussolini promised the world to his troops, and was seen as a competent soldier himself (I admit I know little on his military prowess). Our regime is led by a diaper wearing, flat footed nepo baby who hired a pretty boy guardsman who spent more time in front of a camera wielding propaganda than he did a rifle to lead our entire military. These generals meanwhile get chastised and left to fix every fuckup generated by the administration with no reward for themselves or the men and women under their command. Then they see any hope of rewards in retirement after decades of service go up in smoke. Yeah, I'm not too worried about them doing illegal actions on US citizens. I'm becoming more afraid of a military coup however. If our balance of power and law becomes obsolete, then they may see it as reason to change the executive power as it stands.
I was kinda hoping that they would have done that coup today and put those two on trial for being enemies of the constitution. The military swears an oath to the constitution and those two knuckleheads were directing the generals to do unconstitutional shit. Iâm pretty sure this coup scenario would be better than what is going on currently
It's much to early to talk about a coup. But when Trump really wants the US military to act against US citizens, I don't think that's an order the military can possibly obey. I think that will be coup time.
I can't believe we're seriously talking about this.
I agree with your assessment. They all had a chance to speak with each other at this meeting, and I'll bet at least some of them started to talk about worst-case scenarios.
They won't act spontaneously, it will be in response to a seriously illegal demand.
The military is not going to do a violence to protect the country unless ordered to do so (by the executive branch) OR a violence is done to them first.
If theyâre to be believed theyâre honorable / noble enough to want to protect the nation from the president then theyâre honorable / noble enough to not act first. So, double edged sword and all that
There are 300 million of us lmao you just gotta convince people to remove their representation and replace it with someone competent. Im sure the generals probably believe its not their duty or place and also fear to consequences of turning the USA into a military rule for even a second. It's time to stop praying to a higher power for a miracle and start removing your congress people from office. They can't hide from their voters for ever.
The problem is, people rarely view their own representative as the problem (as long as it's who they voted for). So if a republican view sees the country going to shut during a republican administration, at best, they'll think it's a bunch of other Republican reps that are messing things up for the person they chose.
This country is gerrymandered as shit. A lot of people do view "their" representative as part of the problem, but what recourse do they have when decades of political gamesmanship has made their votes no longer count?
Right and this is a bipartisan issue because the Democrats will die behind whatever geriatric theyâre about to prop up next year. No one cares about qualified candidates. They just want someone that makes them feel warm and fuzzy.
They declared war on America yesterday and encouraged the military to commit war crimes against American citizensâŠ..how is that not a declaration of civil war? Genuinely curious
I mean, insofar as Hegseth has internalized the culture war and can't stop being a fox news host long enough to do his job. I think priming the Military to eventually use it against the American population was the main purpose of this gathering.
You don't have to say that you "think" that, Trump was very clear that he expects them to wage "War" against specific cities he hates. Deploying the military against American citizens is one of our most basic prohibitions, and he just told the world that he intends to violate it.
The significance of using the word "War" to describe his intentions towards these cities can't be overstated. He clearly intends to use the military to commit serious violence against these cities. Just that threat alone should be an impeachable offense.
Something truly ridiculous is Hesgeth lectured these generals on grooming and hygiene but he is actually on the record as a filthy weirdo who doesn't believe in washing his own hands: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47201923
People with curly hair can have ingrown hairs from shaving. Most people with no shave chits are black.
Don't let him trick you into thinking this speech is just stupid. Its stupid, but he's also trying to give generals plausible deniability to remove minority military members and women.
Somewhere between 1 in 2 to 2 in 3 African American men experience a condition called pseudofolliculitis barbae where, due curliness and firmness of hair, a clean shave results in significant local inflammation, irritation and discomfort.
The treatment is to not to shave too close to the skin..
Unfortunately, reporters also couldn't find a single general who cares that it's allowed to disobey an unlawful order and that they can overthrow a domestic terrorist.
You won't find anybody who liked Hegseth's speech, because it didn't appeal to anybody. It was both naive and condescending, and it was presented by a guy who nobody would respect in the first place. Nobody thinks the problem with our military is that some general is overweight.
But I'm sure it would be easy to find some people who say they liked the speech. It's the same way that some people say they like Donald Trump. Strange how often those same people say that he's the dumbest person on the planet once they get too fed up with him and leave.
No. But you will find boot lickers who want a promotion/more "responsibilities" who will kneel down and asik hegseth if he wants the hot or cold blowie if it gets them the power of the general who got caught yawning.
Yes dumping a large amount of soldiers while waging an unconstitutional war on the constitutional freedoms of the American people. âŠ..that seems like theyâre creating a powerful resistance or an enemy from within
The military may just have to step in and save us on this one guys. This administration is a direct threat to democracy and everyone who has provided material support for Project 2025 is a traitor.
The military isn't going to step in and save us unless they feel strongly that the public will support them wholeheartedly, and they aren't going to feel that way if there isn't massive and unprecedented civil unrest. That means the onus is on us.
The military ain't gonna "step in". The only way that could possibly happen is if we have major and sustained civil demonstrations in our cities. Even then, it may take mass civilian casualties before the military intervenes.
You could very well be right, but without Congress acting on this lawlessness and with SCOTUS's capitulation it leaves the military as the last organization that could step in to end this madness.
First, consider the war crimes this administration has ordered. Second, its continual attacks on the Constitution and the rule of law. Lastly, the outright treasonous Project 2025 this administration has given material support to. The military would be acting well within reason seizing control and ordering a new election.
Everyone who has given material support to Project 2025 should be held by military tribunal or ICC in order to ensure corruption is kept out of the proceedings. After this purge of the right, something we should have done long ago due to their spreading of hate and class warfare tactics, we can finally move on to an imperfect but functional future.
You likely wouldn't get their unguarded perspective unless you were married to them.
Source: one of my besties growing up, his dad got promoted to 2 star when we were in high school. Known them for decades, he still keeps his mouth shut when it might be construed as criticizing the commander in chief
Consider the implication of a countries military denying the commands of the officials elected by the civilian population. The military is armed. That would completely destabilize the countries economy and it's security on the world stage. The chain reaction of consequences is terrifying. It's up to the people.
Hegseth and Trump were treating it like a political event where people worship them.
But these weren't their superfans attending a rally. They were professionals ordered to be there and to listen. And even if they were fans, you don't fucking clap and cheer at a military briefing.
Thats the first thing it says. There are other interpretations in the article.
Stibel believes that a changing climate, and not language, could explain our smaller brains. In a 2023 study, he analysed the skulls of 298 Homo sapiens over the past 50,000 years. He found that human brains have been shrinking for about the last 17,000 years or so â since the end of the last ice age. When he carefully examined the climate record, he found that decreasing brain sizes correlated with periods of climate warming.
He was a Princeton ROTC brat and made it all the way to Major, O-4, in twenty fucking years.
Throw that level of 'career development' onto an enlisted track, and no, he would not have even gotten to an NCO rank, which typically start around E-5, Sergeant.
Whatever - they will follow orders from whoever their exhalted president is. Cause even though itâs a certified clown in office they still obey his bullshit cause they hold the office in high regard.
I'm not an american or even fan of american military but how could career military people ever like a draft dodger and tv personality? Military is notoriously a rank based community and they absolutely don't fit that.
We market and psychologically manipulate people until they become terrorists and then our institutions build off it to become more powerful? Like a business?
Understand crime and heartlessness to understand how the real world works?
There was like one guy in the crowd that actually had a hard on for this. The problematic issue with this individual is that he only lasted something like 20 secs> into the speech.
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xenomor@lemmy.world · 229 pts · 327d
My favorite part was when Hegseth talked about removing politics from the military, and then trump spent 20 minutes whining about politics.
Tryenjer@lemmy.world · 131 pts · 327d
Hegseth disrupted the lives of 800 highly educated military leaders to call them fat. đ€Ł
HubertManne@piefed.social · 38 pts · 327d
did you see how long they had to sit with his talk and trumps and the stupid music playing. well over two hours but hard to say.
b161@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 20 pts · 327d
Humiliation ritual.
nanoswarm9k@lemmus.org · 5 pts · 325d
pete said hazing wasn't a bad word anymore, right?
how to make a cesspit... Let's not replace soldiers and logisticians with steroid junkies please...
massacre@lemmy.world · 77 pts · 327d
He meant remove Democrat politics, not GOP ones.
TemplaerDude@sh.itjust.works · 35 pts · 327d
Exactly.
These scumbags talk one thing and do the opposite.
They deserve the gallows before they take the rest of that shit country down with them.
SanctimoniousApe@lemmings.world · 26 pts · 327d
I'm afraid it's far too late for that. You think things are bad now? You just wait. Shit's gonna start getting extremely ugly when the massive house of cards that is the current US economy starts falling down - which I personally would normally peg to start happening in earnest by early next year, but with Trump deliberately destroying the very source that would let us all know the numbers behind what's actually going on in the economy all bets on timing are off. The longer it gets put off, the worse it's gonna be, however.
TemplaerDude@sh.itjust.works · 13 pts · 327d
Iâm just pulling for some Americans to do the right thing and start putting holes in these fascists. Doesnât seem like itâs going to happen though, theyâre happy just memeing their way to hell.
SanctimoniousApe@lemmings.world · 5 pts · 327d
Unlike in the past, there are a million and one ways to avoid reality nowadays (heck, I'm doing so by spending time here). That, and the fact the bulk of the angry gun-owning types are on the MAGAt side of the isle. This crash is going to be like none before, so it's impossible to make predictions (beyond any obvious ones) on what will happen.
WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca · -3 pts · 327d
Only one thing has ever stopped fascists and Americans are a bunch of goddamn cowards.
Cethin@lemmy.zip · 8 pts · 327d
While I agree we should be cautious and fight back, that's just not true. The Business Plot, for example, just sort of didn't happen and fizzled out. This isn't to imply nothing should be done, because we definitely need to work to ensure they don't achieve their goals, but Fascists have lost to less than bullets. This also isn't saying dead Fascists aren't desired. It's only stating that your comment isn't exactly accurate.
Saying the only way to fight back is by killing people leaves a whole lot of people doing nothing. There's a lot more you can do besides picking up a gun. Your message plays into their hands, not ours.
Count042@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 326d
I don't think it would have fizzled out if Smedley Butler went with it.
cmbabul@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 327d
Just like Christianâs donât consider Christianity anything besides âthe truthâ American conservatives/maga/gop also donât think their political beliefs are political, just âcommon senseâ
Formfiller@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 327d
Thatâs because they have the IQ of sourdough starter
nanoswarm9k@lemmus.org · 2 pts · 325d
Wow. Sour Dough starter did NOT deserve that. At leqst the relationship is reciprocal.
SanctimoniousApe@lemmings.world · 8 pts · 327d
More like anything but MAGAt ones, with Cheeto Gawd at the center of everything.
Karry_17@lemmynsfw.com · 8 pts · 327d
jjjalljs@ttrpg.network · 176 pts · 327d
Hegseth is a cartoon villain that shouldn't be anywhere near a position of power
Just an utter scumbag.
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 43 pts · 327d
We should start treating these goons like actual cartoon villains. Cartoon villains usually get thwarted on a weekly basis.
SereneSadie@lemmy.myserv.one · 27 pts · 327d
We're living in the Boondocks cartoon.
The white villains get away with everything.
MajorasTerribleFate@lemmy.zip · 10 pts · 327d
When we NEED to be in a Scooby-Doo cartoon, where the villains is generally a white male landowner who gets caught.
SanctimoniousApe@lemmings.world · 13 pts · 327d
That's too kind, they deserve to be the victims in a slasher flick.
Or just put them on a Star Trek set wearing their favorite color.
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 16 pts · 327d
Make damn sure it's TOS, otherwise they'll be in Command.
SanctimoniousApe@lemmings.world · 6 pts · 327d
Shh! That's how we're tricking them into showing up!
Tyrq@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 327d
Brown is the new red
SanctimoniousApe@lemmings.world · 3 pts · 327d
Browncoat me takes issue with that...
HubertManne@piefed.social · 3 pts · 327d
they are more the brownpants types.
SanctimoniousApe@lemmings.world · 3 pts · 327d
Well, that's shitty...
5too@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 327d
Oh, that's what happened!
Objection@lemmy.ml · 8 pts · 327d
They belong in Wolfenstein, let's be honest.
vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 327d
Unfair to the Nazis in Wolfenstein, their biggest threat is BJ Blaskowitz. These fuckers biggest threat is a bad heart attack or liver failure.
unphazed@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 327d
Got curious... apparently there was a Trump Tower Wolfenstein mod (wolf and doom are easy to mod with simple graphic changes, so I figured someone did it)
TheLowestStone@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 327d
I'd rather see them thwarted once. Permanently.
etherphon@midwest.social · 10 pts · 327d
KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 16 pts · 327d
I wouldnât trust him to close out a tab.
Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip · 8 pts · 326d
We have at least one supreme court justice who believes the same. Why she thinks she can be a judge is baffling.
aceshigh@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 327d
Trumpâs spiritual advisor is a woman. Everyone will be out for a power grab when he dies. Right now they just pretend to be ok with whatever doesnât align with their beliefs.
WhatGodIsMadeOf@feddit.org · 1 pts · 326d
He's a dildo. A fake dick. That wishes he was a real dick like Pinocchio.
givesomefucks@lemmy.world · 121 pts · 327d
They love making people do shit like this, and absolutely despise being reminded that someone can make them do it.
As long as they don't bitch out and resign, this is going to backfire on trump.
Even if he tries to kick them out, they can drag their feet thru the official process, and if trump starts circumventing that widescale, the rest will close ranks and do a coup out of pure self interest.
You don't get that high up without putting your career over everything, and trump just threatened their careers.
partial_accumen@lemmy.world · 52 pts · 327d
Things might get spicy when we finally have folks that decide to uphold their oaths to uphold the Constitution. We certainly haven't seen any in the Executive Branch yet, and most of the Judicial and Legislative seems to be abdicating their oaths too.
halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world · 36 pts · 327d
Note the oath the enlisted take specifically says they will follow the orders of the President.
That's not the one that matters.
The officer's oath does not include that, specifically for this reason:
I'm 99% sure that these oaths apply across the board regardless of branch, because they apply to more than just commissioned officers.
PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 327d
Foreign and DOMESTIC
halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 327d
Yeah they both say that.
Only one also says they'll do what the POTUS says.
Hasherm0n@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 327d
I've already seen the taking point showing up on the right that the "... and domestic" part applies to the "antifa terrorists turning our cities into war zones and besieging federal (especially ICE) buildings."
benignintervention@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 327d
I really hope that GOs don't take the oath lightly. When I taught that lesson to my cadets it was a serious conversation and usually involved stories about commanders I knew who got fired or court-martialed for everything including extra-marital affairs, to belittling subordinates, to fabricating illegal orders (and then breaking international law). I hope it doesn't come to it, but I imagine that a military court would be less partisan than our current courts have been.
MisterOwl@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 327d
And these generals will follow suit. People keep saying how serious and career-driven they are. What makes you think they won't put their career over the constitution like everyone else?
Horsecook@sh.itjust.works · 17 pts · 327d
Makeitstop@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 327d
The federal courts are filled with people appointed through the political process, and a lot of the bullshit that's made it through the courts is a result of venue shopping to find sympathetic judges. But more importantly, the Trump administration has been losing a lot in court... until the Supreme Court steps in and reverses those rulings on the shadow docket. It's not the whole judicial branch that's the problem, just the ones that matter the most.
The legislature isn't doing its job because it's controlled by Republicans, and as a party they've gone through multiple purges to root out anyone who would put the country or the constitution ahead of Trump's slightest whim.
The executive branch has been under siege all year, a lot of people were fired without cause, and a lot of other people are resigning or getting fired rather than doing shit that's illegal and unconstitutional. While in some instances there are lawsuits making their way through the courts, there's only so much they can do after they get escorted out of the building.
To the best of my knowledge, the leadership of the military has had much more continuity and isn't so easily stacked with loyalists. You can't just grab some 20 something techbro douchebag from Elon's little band of hitler youth, or the last lawyer that was dumb enough to represent Trump and make them a general.
And there is also a big difference between what might be demanded of some congressman or civil servant compared to the military. While I doubt we'll see anyone directly disobeying an order from the white house that has troops standing around outside federal buildings, I do think it's pretty likely that an order to nuke an American city would be disobeyed. The question for each of them is where they draw the line. Openly defying orders is not something to be done lightly in the military.
AbidanYre@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 327d
Everyone there would have been the one for commissioned officers right below what you posted.
Karry_17@lemmynsfw.com · 2 pts · 327d
Deceptichum@quokk.au · 20 pts · 327d
theneverfox@pawb.social · 10 pts · 327d
This same group quietly took Trump out of power after Jan 6
blattrules@lemmy.world · 90 pts · 327d
I hope every single one of them realizes that they were used as seat fillers for more culture war bullshit. Iâm sure they can see right through these two man-babies for the weak human beings they are and will think twice when theyâre asked to do something illegal/immoral for them.
unphazed@lemmy.world · 33 pts · 327d
Mussolini promised the world to his troops, and was seen as a competent soldier himself (I admit I know little on his military prowess). Our regime is led by a diaper wearing, flat footed nepo baby who hired a pretty boy guardsman who spent more time in front of a camera wielding propaganda than he did a rifle to lead our entire military. These generals meanwhile get chastised and left to fix every fuckup generated by the administration with no reward for themselves or the men and women under their command. Then they see any hope of rewards in retirement after decades of service go up in smoke. Yeah, I'm not too worried about them doing illegal actions on US citizens. I'm becoming more afraid of a military coup however. If our balance of power and law becomes obsolete, then they may see it as reason to change the executive power as it stands.
Formfiller@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 327d
I was kinda hoping that they would have done that coup today and put those two on trial for being enemies of the constitution. The military swears an oath to the constitution and those two knuckleheads were directing the generals to do unconstitutional shit. Iâm pretty sure this coup scenario would be better than what is going on currently
mcv@lemmy.zip · 10 pts · 326d
It's much to early to talk about a coup. But when Trump really wants the US military to act against US citizens, I don't think that's an order the military can possibly obey. I think that will be coup time.
I can't believe we're seriously talking about this.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 5 pts · 326d
I agree with your assessment. They all had a chance to speak with each other at this meeting, and I'll bet at least some of them started to talk about worst-case scenarios.
They won't act spontaneously, it will be in response to a seriously illegal demand.
Formfiller@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 326d
Itâs just all really awful
prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 326d
The military is not going to do a violence to protect the country unless ordered to do so (by the executive branch) OR a violence is done to them first.
If theyâre to be believed theyâre honorable / noble enough to want to protect the nation from the president then theyâre honorable / noble enough to not act first. So, double edged sword and all that
Formfiller@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 326d
Yeah thatâs a good point
TronBronson@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 326d
There are 300 million of us lmao you just gotta convince people to remove their representation and replace it with someone competent. Im sure the generals probably believe its not their duty or place and also fear to consequences of turning the USA into a military rule for even a second. It's time to stop praying to a higher power for a miracle and start removing your congress people from office. They can't hide from their voters for ever.
Formfiller@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 326d
Our system is corrupted from top to bottom. The vote harder strategy has failed
TronBronson@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 325d
I mean voting is good: we just need to remove the rot and start voting again with a clean slate. We donât have fair access to voting anymore.
Formfiller@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 325d
Yes we need a reset to hold our government officials accountable for the corruption
Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 326d
The problem is, people rarely view their own representative as the problem (as long as it's who they voted for). So if a republican view sees the country going to shut during a republican administration, at best, they'll think it's a bunch of other Republican reps that are messing things up for the person they chose.
Alaik@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 326d
Im southern. I absolutely view my congressmen and senators as a problem.
bitjunkie@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 326d
This country is gerrymandered as shit. A lot of people do view "their" representative as part of the problem, but what recourse do they have when decades of political gamesmanship has made their votes no longer count?
Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip · -1 pts · 326d
I covered this in my parenthetical...
TronBronson@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 325d
Right and this is a bipartisan issue because the Democrats will die behind whatever geriatric theyâre about to prop up next year. No one cares about qualified candidates. They just want someone that makes them feel warm and fuzzy.
PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@feddit.uk · 3 pts · 326d
That would mean immediate civil war which would be horrific for everyone. It's a lever that should only be pulled as a last resort
Formfiller@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 326d
They declared war on America yesterday and encouraged the military to commit war crimes against American citizensâŠ..how is that not a declaration of civil war? Genuinely curious
PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@feddit.uk · 2 pts · 326d
Yesterday was a propaganda event.
Formfiller@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 326d
I disagree they have done everything they said they would do and were way far down the tyranny rabbit hole
F_State@midwest.social · 20 pts · 326d
I mean, insofar as Hegseth has internalized the culture war and can't stop being a fox news host long enough to do his job. I think priming the Military to eventually use it against the American population was the main purpose of this gathering.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 7 pts · 326d
You don't have to say that you "think" that, Trump was very clear that he expects them to wage "War" against specific cities he hates. Deploying the military against American citizens is one of our most basic prohibitions, and he just told the world that he intends to violate it.
The significance of using the word "War" to describe his intentions towards these cities can't be overstated. He clearly intends to use the military to commit serious violence against these cities. Just that threat alone should be an impeachable offense.
ysjet@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 326d
Intends to? He already has.
finitebanjo@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 327d
Imagine if it continues to degrade to the point that Kristi Noem gets put in charge of more branches of armed forces.
ultranaut@lemmy.world · 90 pts · 327d
Something truly ridiculous is Hesgeth lectured these generals on grooming and hygiene but he is actually on the record as a filthy weirdo who doesn't believe in washing his own hands: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47201923
echolalia@lemmy.ml · 89 pts · 327d
He's talking about getting rid of military members who can't shave due to medical reasons.
context
People with curly hair can have ingrown hairs from shaving. Most people with no shave chits are black.
Don't let him trick you into thinking this speech is just stupid. Its stupid, but he's also trying to give generals plausible deniability to remove minority military members and women.
shawn1122@sh.itjust.works · 22 pts · 326d
Somewhere between 1 in 2 to 2 in 3 African American men experience a condition called pseudofolliculitis barbae where, due curliness and firmness of hair, a clean shave results in significant local inflammation, irritation and discomfort.
The treatment is to not to shave too close to the skin..
yesman@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 326d
Don't forget they're also mad about Sakhs who were allowed to wear turbans and beards.
Sp00kyB00k@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 326d
Would have removed me. Basically pulling a barbarossa with thick hair. Giving me the same issue.
finitebanjo@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 327d
Maybe he was trying to nazi dogwhistle, would not surprise me if he plagiarised an SS.
Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 325d
Shitfinger Pete.
SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world · 69 pts · 327d
Iâm surprised that the pentagon reporter is allowed to talk about this.
adespoton@lemmy.ca · 39 pts · 327d
Soon to be âex-pentagon reporterâŠ.â
PattyMcB@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 327d
Or possibly another citizen deportee. Damn i hate this timeline
HubertManne@piefed.social · 9 pts · 327d
Yeah I had a choice to see the speech from fox news, washington post, or AP. Chose AP being the one they want booted next.
Karry_17@lemmynsfw.com · 4 pts · 327d
chad@sh.itjust.works · 54 pts · 326d
Would have been a great opportunity for a military coup.
Bosht@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 326d
Ugh. Now I get to fantasize about that for a week.
Uruanna@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 325d
Unfortunately, reporters also couldn't find a single general who cares that it's allowed to disobey an unlawful order and that they can overthrow a domestic terrorist.
pinheadednightmare@lemmy.world · 46 pts · 327d
Just curious how much it cost American tax payers for this meeting that could have been an email?
ameancow@lemmy.world · 28 pts · 327d
RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 327d
Hey hey... he's not a civilian... for two weeks out of the year he is a citizen soldier.
A citizen soldier that just called all of the top military brass pussies to their faces.
Is it still considered a fragging if he's a lower rank than them?
ameancow@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 326d
paper_moon@lemmy.world · 43 pts · 327d
Well, expect all of them to be removed in favor of people who did, by the end of the week.
logicbomb@lemmy.world · 39 pts · 327d
You won't find anybody who liked Hegseth's speech, because it didn't appeal to anybody. It was both naive and condescending, and it was presented by a guy who nobody would respect in the first place. Nobody thinks the problem with our military is that some general is overweight.
But I'm sure it would be easy to find some people who say they liked the speech. It's the same way that some people say they like Donald Trump. Strange how often those same people say that he's the dumbest person on the planet once they get too fed up with him and leave.
NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip · 15 pts · 327d
No. But you will find boot lickers who want a promotion/more "responsibilities" who will kneel down and asik hegseth if he wants the hot or cold blowie if it gets them the power of the general who got caught yawning.
RattlerSix@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 327d
I don't think we have enough Fox news hosts to replace them all
InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 327d
Newsmax reservists? Draft from OAN?
theneverfox@pawb.social · 4 pts · 327d
They can't. These people have the guns... That group forced to fly in has command over enough armies to fight the rest of the world and possibly win
And they're not Trump fans
Formfiller@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 327d
Yes dumping a large amount of soldiers while waging an unconstitutional war on the constitutional freedoms of the American people. âŠ..that seems like theyâre creating a powerful resistance or an enemy from within
Doomsider@lemmy.world · 35 pts · 327d
The military may just have to step in and save us on this one guys. This administration is a direct threat to democracy and everyone who has provided material support for Project 2025 is a traitor.
Schmoo@slrpnk.net · 23 pts · 327d
The military isn't going to step in and save us unless they feel strongly that the public will support them wholeheartedly, and they aren't going to feel that way if there isn't massive and unprecedented civil unrest. That means the onus is on us.
electric_nan@lemmy.ml · 19 pts · 327d
The military ain't gonna "step in". The only way that could possibly happen is if we have major and sustained civil demonstrations in our cities. Even then, it may take mass civilian casualties before the military intervenes.
Doomsider@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 327d
You could very well be right, but without Congress acting on this lawlessness and with SCOTUS's capitulation it leaves the military as the last organization that could step in to end this madness.
First, consider the war crimes this administration has ordered. Second, its continual attacks on the Constitution and the rule of law. Lastly, the outright treasonous Project 2025 this administration has given material support to. The military would be acting well within reason seizing control and ordering a new election.
Everyone who has given material support to Project 2025 should be held by military tribunal or ICC in order to ensure corruption is kept out of the proceedings. After this purge of the right, something we should have done long ago due to their spreading of hate and class warfare tactics, we can finally move on to an imperfect but functional future.
electric_nan@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 327d
Call your local general.
Doomsider@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 327d
Wish I knew one personally so I could get their honest take. Perspective is really valuable.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 326d
You likely wouldn't get their unguarded perspective unless you were married to them.
Source: one of my besties growing up, his dad got promoted to 2 star when we were in high school. Known them for decades, he still keeps his mouth shut when it might be construed as criticizing the commander in chief
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 326d
I mean we have lunch once a month so I'll just text
MojoMcJojo@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 327d
Consider the implication of a countries military denying the commands of the officials elected by the civilian population. The military is armed. That would completely destabilize the countries economy and it's security on the world stage. The chain reaction of consequences is terrifying. It's up to the people.
peaceful_world_view@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 327d
You can bet some of them are making "what if" plans.
kadaverin0@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 29 pts · 326d
BangCrash@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 326d
They don't call it the white house for no reason
chiliedogg@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 325d
Hegseth and Trump were treating it like a political event where people worship them.
But these weren't their superfans attending a rally. They were professionals ordered to be there and to listen. And even if they were fans, you don't fucking clap and cheer at a military briefing.
TheThrillOfTime@lemmy.ml · 20 pts · 326d
Everyday I think we're getting dumber
oppy1984@lemdro.id · 24 pts · 326d
Welcome to Costco, I love you.
stringere@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 326d
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WeirdyTrip@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 8 pts · 326d
Now with EXTRA BIG-ASS CURLY FRIES
Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 326d
Human brains have shrunk 13% in the last 100,000 yesrs
celeryfc@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 326d
Smaller because theyâre more efficient.
Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 325d
Thatâs one interpretation, sure
celeryfc@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 323d
Thatâs literally what your linked article says.
Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 323d
Thats the first thing it says. There are other interpretations in the article.
melsaskca@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 325d
Shit, that's like half.
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 19 pts · 327d
Did....did Hegseth even make it to NCO?
Christ.
No.
He was a Princeton ROTC brat and made it all the way to Major, O-4, in twenty fucking years.
Throw that level of 'career development' onto an enlisted track, and no, he would not have even gotten to an NCO rank, which typically start around E-5, Sergeant.
HubertManne@piefed.social · 3 pts · 327d
funny since he through out the e5 term a bunch or something similar.
Kurious84@lemmings.world · 19 pts · 327d
They probably bugged their hotel rooms to see if they talk shit about trump
couldhavebeenyou@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 327d
...and now their offices back at the base
InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 327d
To be a fly on the wall... Or journalist with signal đ©
deacon@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 327d
Soon to be former pentagon reporter Iâm sure.
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 326d
Couldn't get anyone to go on record. Not the greatest reporter /s
chilldrivenspade@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 327d
lemmyausmister@feddit.org · 10 pts · 326d
General Jack Daniels liked it..
stringere@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 326d
General Don Julio was unavailable for comment as he was dismissed as yet another DUI hire.
CircaV@lemmy.ca · 9 pts · 326d
Whatever - they will follow orders from whoever their exhalted president is. Cause even though itâs a certified clown in office they still obey his bullshit cause they hold the office in high regard.
drmoose@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 325d
I'm not an american or even fan of american military but how could career military people ever like a draft dodger and tv personality? Military is notoriously a rank based community and they absolutely don't fit that.
WhatGodIsMadeOf@feddit.org · 8 pts · 326d
We market and psychologically manipulate people until they become terrorists and then our institutions build off it to become more powerful? Like a business?
Understand crime and heartlessness to understand how the real world works?
It was always like but not as blatant?
What ...is ...grammar really?
Gates9@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 327d
Am I a joke to you?
DrFistington@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 327d
So, gussy up, and have a coup. The quicker the better
Figaredo@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 325d
Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 325d
Can't be trump's or he'd look more like he was whistling.
INHALE_VEGETABLES@aussie.zone · 2 pts · 325d
Go on
apftwb@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 327d
This post is refreshing like a glass of cool water
Trill88@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 327d
Not good buddy
6stringringer@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 325d
There was like one guy in the crowd that actually had a hard on for this. The problematic issue with this individual is that he only lasted something like 20 secs> into the speech.