Hey Jeanist. You're pretty chill and you raise good points. I also really fucking hate the tendency for people to pathologize others for the smallest reasons or conflicts. I'm sorry that's the behavior I've invoked with my comment.
I definitely don't intend to justify that because I hate that too, especially the way we even conceptualize NPD within the DSM.
I would just like to say here that I don't have a better term to describe the "cultural narcissism" that we're raised in here in America. That's literally what it is, not NPD just traits what we typically associate with it but as cultural values. I would like to use a better term to describe it but the closest things I've heard could be "Magical determinism" but that's something different. Or "Toxic individualism" but I just made that one up and it doesn't seem quite salient. Do you live in America and would you recommend any better term to describe this specific thing? If you want to PM about it too I'm down to talk about this at length without spectators.
I've interacted with Jeanist before and they are cool. I can tell I upset them and their heart is in the right place. Since coming to Lemmy I've noticed that most people here are really more nice and definitely more intelligent then we have been trained to assume. We all just gotta unpack some baggage we have learned from other social medias. I know using reddit for years made me an utter fucking tool.
I looked through your spat with them and you seem smart too. I think you both could have this conversation in a more productive way if you had just started off on the right foot. I appreciate you speaking up for me though. You're right that I didn't mean it to throw literal NPD people under the bus.
...are you sure that's a western urge? I don't really think that's how it goes in Finland, Spain, Sweden or Germany.
People would not react the way you see here, but that's because of the way the message is conveyed, not because of the message itself.
IDK man, in my city, most intersections have a stopping area for bikes a few meters ahead of where cars are supposed to stop, to protect cyclists when they are making a turn. Cars going over the line and blocking this area is an extremely common occurrence (more often than not I'd say). I would love to have someone go around and just bonk people for stuff like this. I agree with point c.
"A tap". The guy full on grappled some of them. Sure, it is probably considered "normal" in the area, but that doesn't have anything to do with your comment, does it? You're deliberately misrepresenting the inherently violent encounters to paint cultures you don't like as uniquely violent, which is pretty shitty and hypocritical. It is not a "cultural thing" to anticipate others reacting violently when attacked.
I thought the whole video would just be more of the same, I was right. I also thought I would get bored halfway through, I was wrong. I could easily watch much more.
Where I live, there's a crazy old cyclist with a viking helmet who sings constantly, except when he screams at anyone who breaks the rules of his intersection. He seems to actually be helping.
55 Comments
Zachariah@lemmy.world · 112 pts · 301d
So glad I watched to the end.
This image doesn’t do it justice.
douglasg14b@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 300d
That was honestly epic
sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz · 76 pts · 301d
Those guys took it so calmly.
sad_detective_man@sopuli.xyz · 69 pts · 301d
For real, love his antics but those guys are above average intelligence for realizing they're in the wrong and not freaking tf out
tuff_wizard@aussie.zone · 56 pts · 300d
I think that’s just a cultural thing. The western urge to fight anyone who points out you are wrong is not universal.
sad_detective_man@sopuli.xyz · 21 pts · 300d
Doesn't suprise me. Living here has caused me to expect sadists and manchildren in most situations
Best_Jeanist@discuss.online · -7 pts · 300d
sad_detective_man@sopuli.xyz · 6 pts · 300d
Hey Jeanist. You're pretty chill and you raise good points. I also really fucking hate the tendency for people to pathologize others for the smallest reasons or conflicts. I'm sorry that's the behavior I've invoked with my comment.
I definitely don't intend to justify that because I hate that too, especially the way we even conceptualize NPD within the DSM.
I would just like to say here that I don't have a better term to describe the "cultural narcissism" that we're raised in here in America. That's literally what it is, not NPD just traits what we typically associate with it but as cultural values. I would like to use a better term to describe it but the closest things I've heard could be "Magical determinism" but that's something different. Or "Toxic individualism" but I just made that one up and it doesn't seem quite salient. Do you live in America and would you recommend any better term to describe this specific thing? If you want to PM about it too I'm down to talk about this at length without spectators.
HikingVet@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 300d
Why would you ask for their help? They expected you to behave as badly as they did.
sad_detective_man@sopuli.xyz · 5 pts · 300d
I've interacted with Jeanist before and they are cool. I can tell I upset them and their heart is in the right place. Since coming to Lemmy I've noticed that most people here are really more nice and definitely more intelligent then we have been trained to assume. We all just gotta unpack some baggage we have learned from other social medias. I know using reddit for years made me an utter fucking tool.
I looked through your spat with them and you seem smart too. I think you both could have this conversation in a more productive way if you had just started off on the right foot. I appreciate you speaking up for me though. You're right that I didn't mean it to throw literal NPD people under the bus.
HikingVet@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 300d
What the actual fuck dude? Why you tying aroace to narcissism?
edit: upon further interaction with this asshole I have determined they are acting in bad faith and do not understand the words they are using.
Best_Jeanist@discuss.online · -3 pts · 300d
HikingVet@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 300d
Yeah, still not the comparison you should be making.
HikingVet@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 300d
Combative is what this bigot gets a 24 hr ban for?
The fuck?
Tuuktuuk@piefed.ee · 5 pts · 300d
...are you sure that's a western urge? I don't really think that's how it goes in Finland, Spain, Sweden or Germany.
People would not react the way you see here, but that's because of the way the message is conveyed, not because of the message itself.
starchylemming@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 300d
can only speak for germany:
a. this situation wouldn't really occur since rule compliance is higher
b. people use cars - 2-wheel vehicles are rare
c. seething road rage is the default modus operandi. a fight is inevitable (it might just be a karen-esque fight through the legal system tho*)
rustydrd@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 300d
IDK man, in my city, most intersections have a stopping area for bikes a few meters ahead of where cars are supposed to stop, to protect cyclists when they are making a turn. Cars going over the line and blocking this area is an extremely common occurrence (more often than not I'd say). I would love to have someone go around and just bonk people for stuff like this. I agree with point c.
b_tr3e@feddit.org · -4 pts · 300d
That's not true! Do you have any source for your unqualified claims? Ha! Thought so. Why do you hate the West so much, comrade?
ech@lemmy.ca · -4 pts · 300d
Yeah, it definitely wouldn't have anything to do with him striking them without warning 🙄
tuff_wizard@aussie.zone · 16 pts · 300d
It’s a plastic hollow bat on a motorcycle helmet.
A tap on the helmet is a common way to get a riders attention when they’re on a loud bike and the other person also has a helmet muffling their voice.
I trust the guy in the video to know what is acceptable in his area.
ech@lemmy.ca · -4 pts · 300d
"A tap". The guy full on grappled some of them. Sure, it is probably considered "normal" in the area, but that doesn't have anything to do with your comment, does it? You're deliberately misrepresenting the inherently violent encounters to paint cultures you don't like as uniquely violent, which is pretty shitty and hypocritical. It is not a "cultural thing" to anticipate others reacting violently when attacked.
blinfabian@feddit.nl · 5 pts · 300d
if you'd try that here you'd be murdered by your first "victim"
FoxyFerengi@startrek.website · 31 pts · 300d
This is in the Dominican Republic judging by the newspaper stand
One of my favorite people that I served with was from there. He was easily the coolest mother fucker in the room, and also always the kindest
Edit: https://m.youtube.com/@elchinord281_
tanisnikana@lemmy.world · 28 pts · 301d
In the US, that dude would have new holes after the first tap. :/
Don_alForno@feddit.org · 8 pts · 300d
In Germany he would be declared a terrorist organization and gang raped by the totally-not-having-a-Nazi-problem police.
HikingVet@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 300d
What?
possumparty@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 300d
Germans doing German things.
TrickDacy@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 300d
Sad but true
ilinamorato@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 300d
Love how some of them started moving back before he even said anything. Just felt the bop and started to step back. They obviously know.
BroBot9000@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 301d
That’s the hero we need
xploit@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 300d
I needed that today, thanks to this hero and you posting it.
MirthfulAlembic@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 300d
saltnotsugar@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 300d
Society needs more boppers.
ABetterTomorrow@sh.itjust.works · 11 pts · 300d
This should be a thing worldwide
explodicle@sh.itjust.works · 20 pts · 300d
As an American, seeing all those bikers suddenly and nonviolently accept that they are wrong looks magical.
rumba@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 300d
It's a different kind of person who rides bikes here.
Also I think the one where he walked form bike to bike was probably staged :)
Mvlad88@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 300d
I could watch this guy for hours.
roscoe@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 300d
I thought the whole video would just be more of the same, I was right. I also thought I would get bored halfway through, I was wrong. I could easily watch much more.
NarrativeBear@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 300d
I love it!! We need more people like this.
Reminds me of the "Toronto Traffic Referee"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=in5ucoOQ8wo
AGM@lemmy.ca · 8 pts · 300d
Hard not to like seeing a person who just obviously loves their job.
Mycatiskai@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 300d
Does anyone know why he does this?
Did he previously get hit by a bike crossing the crosswalk or he just likes to enforce crosswalk regs for fun?
explodicle@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 300d
Where I live, there's a crazy old cyclist with a viking helmet who sings constantly, except when he screams at anyone who breaks the rules of his intersection. He seems to actually be helping.
iloveDigit@piefed.social · 1 pts · 245d
He's mainly trying to protect the bikes from being hit by pedestrians
TrickDacy@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 300d
I love this so much.
jcs@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 300d
"Yes I bopped you, and I'll bop you again!" -- not an actual translation
jlow@discuss.tchncs.de · 1 pts · 300d
Amazing, this made my day, thanks for posting it!