Ukraine Says It Won’t Give Up Land to Russia

Russia's showing signs of desperation anyhow which is why they're trying to push through an agreement.  They can't debase the currency much further, they don't have the reserves or the GDP.  Ukraine is in more the position strength here as they've spend their time building alliances which has been aided by Russian actions strengthening the resolve of Europeans.

Don’t give up a single meter of land

By doing what?

A little tired of hearing this endless "well, if I were Ukraine, I would simply win the war and claim a trillion dollars in reparations and make Russia disappear off the map" Internet wish casting.

What do you do to extract any of these concessions that hasn't already been tried? And how many more people are you willing to throw into the meat grinder trying?

agreed not to attack Ukraine in order to get Ukraine to give up its nuclear weapons.

Russia argues that there was a regime change in 2014 which released them from that agreement.

I don't know how much it would encourage Putin to invade again.

It's not like he invaded part of Ukraine and was allowed to keep the annexed territory in the name of peace, then 8 years later invaded again, right?

That's exactly how they ended up in a situation. Putin took Crimea with basically no resistance. He just didn't count on Zelensky. Most other leaders would have given in to the pressure and let Putin overrun Ukraine (for a nice golden parachute).

That same orange shit stain is days away from de facto declaring war on Venezuela. Disgusting.

Even if they were to not invade Ukraine again, Putin has been using war to distract the population from domestic problems, so he'd just pick another target after Chechnya, Georgia, Syria, Africa, and Ukraine.

There is no scenario in which Russia gives up control of Crimea. It is simply too strategically important.

When ever Trump is upset I'm a happy person.

they waited til the right time to take crimea, its almost always a dem president in office before he struck, he miscalculated with ukraine. its the same reason gop ruins the economy, they get blaming points, in this case crimea, ukraine so the reps get re-elected once again, and give russia pass when they are back in power.

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Has Russia in its various incarnations, ever minded its own business? They've been a pain basically since their inception. Mostly because they seem to have predilection for some variation of oppressing their own people and then using those oppressed people to oppress more people.

There was about a 15-year window when they had a democracy and that's been it.

whos going to make them? until europe invades, im sorry but you kinda have to hope the us does something

In all fairness, I think kost Russian soldiers aren't there by much choice, Putin loves his meat grinder and has pulled well over a million Russians through it.

Yes, that is a problem that Russians should fix themselves, but still. Any soldiers surrendering should be treated well. Show them they've really been figuring on the wrong side

This sort of thinking is what the elites want..

If you apply your hate about the Russian invasion to all people of Russia, you make the job easier for Russian government to spread hate against others even more.

If people of countries would not hate each other, but only people responsible for war, there would simply be no war.

War only works by propaganda, without hate and fear mongering, there would be no wars.

You don’t reward a thief and murderer

We literally do and we do it regularly.

At this point, telling Russia to give the land back might as well be a land acknowledgement you read in between demanding Florida to back to the Cherokee and telling the Normans to leave England.

I wholeheartedly support shooting every uniformen Russian or allied you can find.

Well, quit wasting your time. Get down to Ukraine and win the war, then.

Give back*!

Because he didn’t say thank you.

Because the zone is a wasteland anyways, and the few that live there were pro Russian as far as I remember

If a part of your country doesn’t want to belong to you anymore, then it shouldn’t (like Taiwan or Hong Kong)

Bully the bullies back.

As a Russian communist with relatives in Ukraine, count me in!

(Historical context for others: 1917 has seen two revolutions, February one, which ended monarchy, and October one, which brought bolsheviks, the communists and socialists siding with Lenin, to power. Lenin has then taken Russia out of the World War I)

Russia has been drained to the dregs, far as vehicles go. People go over sat footage and count the amount of machines in the vehicle parks. Covert Cabal made a video on that several days ago.

Russia Has Began a MASSIVE withdraw of ancient T-72 Ural and A variant tanks

russia needs another lenin (well whole world does)

The article literally says no lmao

You might want to look into that because Europe absolutely is ramping up its military response.

You're statement would have had more truth to it in 2023 then it does today. Europe is still behind Russia in that regard but Russia committed to fully switching to a wartime economy.

Maybe that'd have been a valid point back in say 2005 or something but the Russians have pretty thoroughly muddies the waters for such a vote to be possible at this point. While I don't know about the Donbass in particular nearly as wellas I probably should if it's anything like Crimea there's a solid chance that quite a solid chunk of the original locals want to turn Moscow into a smoking crater.

Russia likes to move colonists in as fast as possible and frankly speaking they can drown on their own blood.

And how would they go about doing that? It's not like Russia wouldn't allow there to be a free vote.

Some people wanted to join Russia, the majority didn't, and it varies year per year per whatever issue is making the rounds. Funny thing about independent movements though, they don't really care about the percentage of people and sub-regions who didn't want to leave or what they thought.

Why does it matter what they want? What next, are you gonna ask the people being sent to die? The only people who really matter are billionaires like Putin and Zelenskyy and what chickenhawks on redditlemmy want.

The divide among people who would be new Russians and the people safely in the cities was stark previously. People going to be annexed really don’t want that it seems.

Was completely avoidable too. Just do what you yourself signed in Minsk agreement.

This is what-if thinking. Right now the Russian are clearly showing disinterest in negotiating the end of the war, they are fully prepared to sacrifice more lives in order to gain territories, there is no reason to think they weren't already at the start.

My word, this is the stupidest thing I've read today

Nobody wants to accept that the celebrity comedian placeholder candidate who won on a generic protest vote years before the war started isn't this generation's Nelson Mandela.

I'm beginning to understand how the Ukrainians have lost to an army as incompetent and corrupt as the Russians.