Linux usage hits an all-time high in Steam Hardware Survey—and AMD processors continue their march against Intel
https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/linux-usage-hits-an-all-time-high-in-steam-hardware-survey-and-amd-processors-continue-their-march-against-intel
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aesthelete@lemmy.world · 45 pts · 251d
I thought about buying a framework 12 for kicks but it's Intel only and for that reason I'm oooout.
Damage@slrpnk.net · 7 pts · 250d
That's the reason why I bought a 13 despite coming from multiple touch-screen laptops
aesthelete@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 250d
The 13 platform seems like the overall choice. The 16 has good long term prospects if you like the form factor, but the options are limited because it's newer, and the expansion port makes it a little more difficult to work with. The 13 has been around for a long enough time that you can even slap a risc board in it. If you have problems with it after warranty you have plenty of options to get yourself up and running again without having to shell out a lot of money.
The 12 seems promising and interesting (the idea of a non-Microsoft surface-like computer that isn't landfill bound is very intriguing IMO) but a bit limited. IIRC, it doesn't even have two RAM slots. It's likely worth it to let the platform develop a little before buying one.
mpdarkguy@piefed.world · 5 pts · 250d
Intel's laptop CPUs were never bad tho? Is it just a solidarity thing because of the 13th and 14th gen processors frying themselves?
Holytimes@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 250d
Buying anything that isn't an x3D CPU at this point is abject stupidity.
Intel CPUs might as well be worthless piles of sand. Hotter slower and higher battery usage.
As far as laptops are concerned Intel has not a single sku worth the sand it's made of.
Brkdncr@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 250d
Idk the lunar lake look pretty good to me.
ColdWater@lemmy.ca · 9 pts · 249d
AMD fucks Intel hard since the birth of Ryzen CPUs, AMD Ryzen CPUs are more power efficient than intel which is ideal for laptops and Ryzen CPUs are a bit cheaper than with intel, also Ryzen iGPUs are more powerful than intel which is bonus
Lumisal@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 250d
They're power hungry for about the same performance as AMD. At least the i-series
iopq@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 250d
They always had shit integrated graphics. Only now that they make their own GPUs is when they finally started making decent ones
aesthelete@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 250d
Eh, we all have opinions. I bought two frameworks last year, both AMD, and they're notably faster and better at basic gaming than the intels I had from a previous generation (2019). The core i7 I had in my Dell also became very slower as they fixed various issues due to vulnerabilities caused by their bad engineering. As far as I know the equivalent AMD issues were neither as widespread nor as severe in nature, and the fixes didn't stack up performance losses the way they did on Intel chips.
OccasionallyFeralya@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 249d
It’s not a huge issue for me but I would love to upgrade to an AMD mainboard in the future
de_lancre@lemmy.world · 35 pts · 250d
addie@feddit.uk · 51 pts · 250d
Closing in on 8% if you filter it by "English language only". Chinese speakers overwhelmingly (almost exclusively) use Windows and make up about 30% of all Steam users, which skews the rest-of-world results. And I wouldn't consider 8% of all prospective sales to be a joke, especially since that number only keeps on rising and by the time you've spent a few years writing a game it's likely to be quite a bit more.
https://www.gamingonlinux.com/steam-tracker/
3abas@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 250d
If you exclude non English language, you have to exclude their sales too.. unless you're suggesting the Chinese users that make up 30% of steam users don't buy anything...
Katana314@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 250d
I mean...they considered piracy, and cheating, valid for a long time.
addie@feddit.uk · -1 pts · 250d
True. Was thinking of indie games, of the kind I might develop myself., which would be limited to the languages I speak myself.
If you're developing something where you'd expect enough international sales to hire a translation team, then Chinese would be a sensible first choice, followed by Spanish.
SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 249d
no it's followed by Japanese. Japan is the third largest market by videogame revenue. Sure Spanish is spoken by a large portion of the world population, but the video game revenue the Spanish speaking countries generate isn't as large as that of Japan. Latin-American countries are middle income countries and if you sell games there you have to sell them at localized pricing. In Japan you can sell your game at around the same price as you'd sell the game in the US and the EU.
Japan generates about $26 billion in video game revenue while Latam around $13 billion and Spain €2.4 billion according to these sources
https://www.grandviewresearch.com/horizon/outlook/video-game-market/japan
https://www.grandviewresearch.com/horizon/outlook/video-game-market/latin-america
https://aevi.org.es/el-sector-del-videojuego-crecio-en-2024-con-una-facturacion-record-de-mas-de-2-408-millones-de-euros-y-22-millones-de-jugadores/ (FYI they use dots as a thousand separator in the 2.408 millones de euros)
KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 250d
Why stop there? If you filter it by “users not using windows” we can get that number over 90%!
falseWhite@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 250d
Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 250d
Hey! I'll have you know that 100% of steam users * are using linux.
* sample size : me
piranhaconda@mander.xyz · 5 pts · 249d
We should survey the linux_gaming community. That will give us a larger sample size that's definitely representative of the broader trends
de_lancre@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 250d
mortn@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 250d
8% is irrelevant?
de_lancre@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 250d
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 40 pts · 250d
3.2% on a gaming hardware survey is fucking insane stats for Linux though. Three years ago that wouldn't have been believable.
CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 249d
It's 3.2% of Steam Linux installs. The actual number is higher.
reksas@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 250d
3,2% out of what amount?
bollybing@lemmynsfw.com · 2 pts · 249d
100%
NikkiDimes@lemmy.world · 32 pts · 250d
"EndeavourOS 0.07%"
Let's goooo! There are dozens of us!!
vritrahan@lemmy.zip · 7 pts · 249d
Checking in
boomzilla@programming.dev · 4 pts · 249d
Recently tried CachyOS on my HTPC. Couldn't get Sunshine to run. It looked beautiful though and the docs seemed really in-depth. Endeavour (thanks to Arch, I know) is just so stable and fast. Just the right amount of pre-installed stuff like reflector, yay, the firewall-config app for firewalld with sane defaults, nice BTRFS subvolume layout, correct NVidia drivers. Would be nice to have Limine (for BTRFS snapshots) as an option besides SystemD boot and Grub in Calamares but I installed it in addition to SystemD boot. Gaming works tremendously good. Everything else too.
I really can't recall the last time an update went wrong. On both of my machines (one Intel, one AMD, both NVidia).
dil@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 249d
Sunshine was pretty effortless on cachyos for me, did you install it using pacman?
boomzilla@programming.dev · 2 pts · 249d
Yes AFAIK it is in the extra repo, which I'd always prefer to the AUR. Thing is, I tried Apollo beforehand, as I wanted clipboard support, which was probably only available in the AUR. Maybe that borked something with the install. I could install Sunshine though but Moonlight from my main Endeavor install couldn't make any connection even with opening all the wanted ports in the firewall.
boomzilla@programming.dev · 0 pts · 249d
Don't want to diss CachyOS. They're sure doing tremendous work for the gaming community and all the default themes for the different WMs and DEs look enticing. I'm sure this was a case of PEBKAC.
LievitoPadre@feddit.it · 2 pts · 249d
You need to install CUDA first, if you have a Nvidia card. Limine is already an option when you install the os.
boomzilla@programming.dev · 1 pts · 248d
Thanks. Seems you're correct and Sunshine profits from CUDA when using this NVFBC but it doesn't seem to explicitly depend on it to run. I tried it pretty soon after installing EOS and can't imagine having installed CUDA so early. Last time I explicitly did it was for Ollama.
I just looked on that EOS machine on which Sunshine worked right from the start and no CUDA package is installed but nevertheless nvidia-smi shows CUDA Version 13. This seems to be because the nvidia driver brings the CUDA runtime with it which differs from the big CUDA toolkit. I'll try CachyOS again when I eventually buy an AMD GPU.
I think you meant Cachy when you pointed out Limine is an option while doing automatic partitioning. And yes this worked very good. I meant that Endeavour doesn't offer it at that point in install.
Have a nice week.
LievitoPadre@feddit.it · 2 pts · 248d
You're welcome. I knew about CUDA because I hit my head with it with manjaro. However, I vaguely remember that when I tried in Cachy, it asked for the dependency as well. I think I tried to install with octopi tool though.
Yes I meant Cachy for limine, I didn't know Endeavour didn't do it too.
Tangent5280@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 249d
What's your experience with gaming on endeavourOS been? What games do you play? Any issues with graphics or sound?
NikkiDimes@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 249d
Pretty much everything I've tried has worked seamlessly out of the box. Obviously, the same issues crop up as with any other Linux system: you pretty much cannot play kernel level anticheat games, womp womp. I might have installed my video drivers myself, I honestly don't recall, but it's as easy as grabbing them from pacman.
For my particular setup, I'm using an Nvidia card and mostly only use Steam for games, although I have gotten Proton to work with a couple of games outside of Steam.
In case you're new to Linux in general, when I first installed Steam, I noticed I could only play a small fraction of my games and was disheartened, but you just have to turn on the Proton compatibility layer and you're good to go.
I do also have a Windows 11 VM for any compatibility issues, but I honestly haven't booted it up in months.
anon5621@lemmy.ml · 32 pts · 251d
Well I would like to see something on lunar lake too it very cool CPU Intel made by failed by advertising
13igTyme@piefed.social · 30 pts · 251d
I would like more from Intel as well. Not because of a CPU structure or anything, but just because competition is good for the consumer.
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 251d
I'm releasing a new chipset structure. It's not Intel. It's not AMD. It's BUTTS BUTTS BOOTYS.
So now all the best games will run on BUTTS BUTTS BOOTYS, and journalists will have to call it that.
swab148@startrek.website · 8 pts · 251d
Ya gotta be more subtle than that, something like BUTTS BUTTS COCKS so even if they abbreviate it, it's still BBC
phonics@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 251d
Imagine if they just pulled out of the market like crucial ram.
TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 251d
I don't really think it's the same.
Micron just became like Samsung. Samsung also doesn't have a consumer DIY market brand. Companies like Kingston or G.Skill can still buy Samsung/SK-Hynix/Micron's RAM, there's been no actual reduction in supply.
If Intel did the same as Micron did, it'd be more like third parties could sell the consumer stuff under their own names (say, the Corsair 5 XYZ), and Intel only sold Xeons directly.
The anger for the RAM shortage should squarely be on OpenAI - they're the ones who bought 40% of the world's RAM supply (and not even from Micron, mind you, just Samsung and SK-Hynix) and kicked off panic buying. Maybe throw Nvidia in there for handing them the money to do it.
I don't like the killing of Crucial, fuck Micron for that, but OpenAI is who triggered the RAM shortage, and Micron is actually the least to blame of the big 3 RAM manufacturers for the issues we're having.
phonics@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 251d
I appreciate that context thanks!
Prove_your_argument@piefed.social · 7 pts · 251d
Yeah? Seems like the only thing currently released handheld wise is the MSI Claw AI+ 7 and 8. At $800-$900 it was a very hard sell.
The CPU itself might be strong for efficiency but it's not like the claw crushed the competition. I feel like the number to meet or beat for a handheld is under $500.
Intel seems deemed too big to fail so I don't doubt we'll see a resurgence from them if they can manage to scrap most of the MBAs and focus on engineers.
A_norny_mousse@feddit.org · 27 pts · 251d
AMD marches "against Intel"? Is there some sort of confrontation going on between the 2? Or does this just mean AMD makes good processors and sells better?
favoredponcho@lemmy.zip · 43 pts · 251d
pivot_root@lemmy.world · 28 pts · 251d
AMD: "Our partners will fry your expensive CPU on some boards."
INTEL: "Our software will fry your expensive CPU on all boards."
123@programming.dev · 38 pts · 251d
NVIDIA: "Our partners will fry the planet for all!"
Goodlucksil@lemmy.dbzer0.com · -10 pts · 251d
NVIDIA doesn't make CPUsEdit: Tegra
DupaCycki@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 251d
NVIDIA CPUs List
RedAle@feddit.dk · 7 pts · 251d
Actually, they do! Now the Grace isn't exactly something you'd plop into your desktop PC, but it's certainly a CPU. I think they've made others too, and a new model (Vera) is coming.
pivot_root@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 251d
They make entire SOCs. None of them are x86 because of the duopoly that Intel and AMD have thanks to their cross-licensing agreement, but they still have functional CPUs with a common ISA.
Samsy@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 250d
Looks like things changed the last decades? AMD was the only CPU I saw dying on my machine. Intel was rock solid, but that was years ago.
umbrella@lemmy.ml · 0 pts · 249d
Broadfern@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 251d
The US government has stake in Intel. Don’t trust them anymore.
Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 250d
I'm trying to imagine intel vs AMD celebrity death match.
realitista@lemmus.org · 15 pts · 251d
Full survey with some historical charts here
dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 12 pts · 250d
I'm doing my part!
jjlinux@lemmy.zip · 11 pts · 249d
I'm not much of a gamer, not because I don't like to game, but because I'm old and have little time for it. That has made Fedora Workstation my preferred desktop/laptop OS for the last 6 years or so. Maybe that's the reason why I just can't understand why people keep putting up with Microsoft's bullshit.
I have tried Endeavour about 4 times over the years, but in trying to 'make it my own' I always end up breaking it badly and come back to Fedora for a stable few months before going on a distro-hop riot all over again. Linux certainly is a lovely drug to be hooked on 😁
randomaside@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 249d
I feel you. Ive been going through this loop over and pver again. Ive landed on the fedora based Universal Blue for this reason. Bluefin for my desktop and bazzite for my gaming PCs. Sometimes you just want your system to be stable and get out of your way and i really appreciate thay about fedora.
jjlinux@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 249d
That was the one Distro that appealed to my wife enough for her to allow me to switch her Windows in her work PC. Now she hates to have to go to her windows laptop to do some taxes shit in our country every month because they only allow excel.
spicehoarder@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 249d
Doesn't one of the office alternatives do .xlsx? Or at least use the web version of excel?
jjlinux@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 249d
Only Office and LibreOffice do, I but the macros used by our tax authority completely break there, so she's left with the excel option alone.
spicehoarder@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 249d
Go figure, but the web version of excel should work.
jjlinux@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 249d
According to her, it didn't work. I have no idea what macros those are, and in all honesty, I don't care either, as I don't have to do it (I know that's a douche comment, but here we are). As long as I'm not the one hack g to deal with that crap, I'm not even asking. At the end of the day, that's all she uses that laptop for, the rest is either company hosted or self hosted and she can use it all on her phone or tablet when she's out and about or in her PC when I get home the office.
spicehoarder@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 249d
Yes, I've been experimenting with different Linux distros since 2008 and I was pretty skeptical about "Atomic" distros when they first started buzzing around a few years ago.
However, this past year we've had to make the jump to Linux due to windows 11 shenanigans. But let me tell you. She's got Bazzite and I've had to distro hop different arch distros.
But let me tell you, I am incredibly jealous of the amount of things that "just work™️" on her setup. Things that I've had to track down on obscure forums. Avoiding footguns and landmines.
I used to recommend Ubuntu, then it was Linux Mint, and now, I recommend any Atomic distro that fits your purpose.
Pat_Riot@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 249d
I tried Ubuntu first, because I had heard of it, and too many things didn't work. At the time I was still on that other link aggregator platform and the Linux nerds there told me to try Mint and they were right. It just worked and I have happily run that ever since. It does what I do and isn't Microsoft or the overpriced fruit company. I have no urge to distro hop at all. Fussing with my computer isn't fun for me, I just want to use it sometimes. I agree, though, Linux is good and there's something for everyone.
silt_haddock@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 249d
I’ve been putting off switching because of everything I have setup for work, but next week I have a new laptop arriving and I’ll be wiping the pre-installed windows and chucking probably fedora on it.
Once I have that first one done, I’ll be able to start moving all my others. I have a bunch of Hyper-V VMs that I need to migrate which has been the main cause of my hesitation.
Jankatarch@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 249d
Check fan speed volume before and after linux to see how many background AI scrapers were removed lmao.
theyoyomaster@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 249d
Sweet, I contributed to both those categories.
abbiistabbii@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 249d
based
nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 249d
will valve fix amd pcvr i wonder?