He did shake things up with a lot of new ideas. I'd like to think that proving him wrong has gotten us to a better place; it's the fin de siecle version of being wrong on the internet, everyone writes to correct you. Kind of sucks for everyone that got the bad advice in the meantime, tho.
What he did was basically kick off the whole genre of research. And for that he is still credited and well-known.
But it seems you missed the context of this thread. It started with someone sarcastically joking that cocaine is "famously good for your health", to which someone sarcastically mock-backed the claim by referencing that Freud did back cocaine.
There's no need or point in defending this very debunked claim.
Btw, Freud recommended cocaine as a medication against alcoholism. He administered cocaine to an alcoholic friend of his, and it did nothing against his alcoholism. In fact, the friend died soon after off a combined alcohol-cocaine overdose. This did not stop Freud from claiming that cocaine is great. He even got his girlfriend hooked on it.
Freud did start the whole field of research, but his own research has been debunked a very long time ago. There's basically nothing of his research left that still counts as "state of the art", but sadly many uneducated people still repeat his nonsense.
It's kinda like believing that Carl Benz' earliest car patents still have any relevance in modern car design. We credit Carl Benz for kickstarting the research in combustion engine cars, but nobody would be stupid enough to think that early research in that field has any relevance to today's practice.
This treatment definitely only applies to men. I don't think anyone ever "jerked off" a woman in the 1800s. Before then and afterwards, sure, but not during the Victorian times
Over here, they sell all sorts of "standard" sex toys, like vibrators, in drugstores. Out in the open, right next to the condoms and lube. #justeuropethings
Chainsaws were originally invented by Scottish doctors John Aitken and James Jeffray in the last 18th century for medical purposes, specifically to assist in a surgical procedure called symphysiotomy^1^ during childbirth. This early version of the chainsaw was a hand-cranked device used to remove ossified^2^ tissue. Over time, the chainsaw evolved into a powerful tool used for lodging.
1: symphysiotomy, symphysiotomy is a surgical procedure that involves dividing the cartilage of the pubic symphys to widen the pelvis, facilitating childbirth when there is difficulty due to a narrow pelvis. This operation is also called pyelotomy and is performed to allow passage of a baby during obstructed labor.
2 ossified, having turned into bone or bony tissue
It's really sad but also kinda fascinating that there are definitely people who could read this and believe it's evidence of the downfall of modern society caused by equal rights, instead of realizing that this bitch was just understandably tired and making a humor joke in an attempt to lighten the burden of having to face another day trying to roll the boulder back up the bullshit mountain created by the people who want to take away her (and everyone else's) rights, dismantle society, and cause it to collapse.
I wonder how many of my health issues are because of injuries being left untreated (professionally).
like I tore my leg open on gravel last summer, nice big patch completely gone down below the hair follicles. just cleaned it out when I got home a couple hours later and kept flushing it multiple times a day and putting antibiotic cream on it, for a few weeks until it eventually healed over. took forever because of how deep and large it was, also I guess I'm just older and heal slower now. it definitely was at least a little bit infected for the week or two. it healed itself though
but, like, I've done that all my life. how fucked up is my body because of that. good thing was I got my overdue tetnis shot a few months earlier when I did go to emerge for something else that wouldn't stop bleeding
You gotta be careful, because if you don't go far back enough, you'll end up lobotomized in some kind of haunted house. Go too far back and, especially as a woman, you'll be labeled "hysterical" or worse then exiled or killed. You gotta find that sweet spot when you could walk into Wild West CVS and take home a bottle Morphinecocainemeth to help wash down the Bovril.
They're exactly looking to be treated for hysteria.
While the word know just means frantic and sort of crazed and can be applied to anyone, it's originally about having a womb. From the greek word for a womb.
You're obviously right that them getting sent to an asylum or getting their brain poked through their eye (although lobotomy wouldn't be invented for like 30-40 years from their date) would be horrible.
But she's also right that they did indeed used to "jerk off" female patients as a treatment for hysteria. Then the doctors got lazy about rubbing and fingering women until climax, so they invented the vibrator. I may be taking a few liberties with the story so Google it yourself to verify the historicity.
I really wonder about what people thought of that then. Did people really think it was a medical thing, or was this just a socialy respectable way for a man who couldn't get his wife off to pass the task on to someone who could perform the task with an air of medical respectability?
Or Hell, maybe it was a 19th century kink or swinger thing. People have always been freaky. At times in history they just had to hide it better.
I actually googled it a bit, and idk when "hysteria" widened to include men as well, but the very first inventor of a vibrator for medical purposes said he wouldn't use his "percuteur" for women as that would not be fitting. But he was a religious man afaik.
There were all sorts of galvanic stimulators and whatnot so I don't think they were all as prudes as we might think.
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UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 99 pts · 250d
Cocaine, famously great for your mental health
MacNCheezus@lemmy.today · 93 pts · 250d
Freud was a fan, and he basically invented therapy
Velypso@sh.itjust.works · 47 pts · 250d
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GladiusB@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 250d
Someone told me it was his mother's fault
Akasazh@feddit.nl · 10 pts · 250d
And that he envied his daddies schlong
stiffyGlitch@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 250d
did you know that that's the main reason why men are depressed?
Aggravationstation@feddit.uk · 2 pts · 250d
But have you seen Freud's mother? Yowza!
_Nico198X_@europe.pub · 17 pts · 250d
did he try enough cocaine?
stiffyGlitch@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 250d
I guess not
addie@feddit.uk · 14 pts · 250d
He did shake things up with a lot of new ideas. I'd like to think that proving him wrong has gotten us to a better place; it's the fin de siecle version of being wrong on the internet, everyone writes to correct you. Kind of sucks for everyone that got the bad advice in the meantime, tho.
novibe@lemmy.ml · 8 pts · 250d
Idk man, if we had the drugs of the Victorian era but the worker rights of today, I think everybody would be happier 🤷♂️
DagwoodIII@piefed.social · 4 pts · 250d
Freud was a pioneer with no technology to help him.
squaresinger@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 250d
That is true, but that still doesn't make any of his advice correct.
DagwoodIII@piefed.social · 0 pts · 250d
I'm not a medical historian, but he must have been of some use, otherwise we'd have never heard of him.
Just because a lot of his work has been supplanted doesn't mean he should be condemned
squaresinger@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 250d
It's not about condemming him.
What he did was basically kick off the whole genre of research. And for that he is still credited and well-known.
But it seems you missed the context of this thread. It started with someone sarcastically joking that cocaine is "famously good for your health", to which someone sarcastically mock-backed the claim by referencing that Freud did back cocaine.
There's no need or point in defending this very debunked claim.
Btw, Freud recommended cocaine as a medication against alcoholism. He administered cocaine to an alcoholic friend of his, and it did nothing against his alcoholism. In fact, the friend died soon after off a combined alcohol-cocaine overdose. This did not stop Freud from claiming that cocaine is great. He even got his girlfriend hooked on it.
Freud did start the whole field of research, but his own research has been debunked a very long time ago. There's basically nothing of his research left that still counts as "state of the art", but sadly many uneducated people still repeat his nonsense.
It's kinda like believing that Carl Benz' earliest car patents still have any relevance in modern car design. We credit Carl Benz for kickstarting the research in combustion engine cars, but nobody would be stupid enough to think that early research in that field has any relevance to today's practice.
neukenindekeuken@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 250d
After reading about Oedipus, apparently.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 250d
"My cardiologist smokes a pack a day"
DagwoodIII@piefed.social · 4 pts · 250d
[off topic]
https://youtu.be/CxzoWxT2E2Y
The 7% Solution. Drs. Freud and Watson team up to help Sherlock Holmes overcome his cocaine addiction.
Fun movie, directed by the author of the original novel.
over_clox@lemmy.world · 51 pts · 250d
Umm, I've never jerked off a woman, but okay..
QuinnyCoded@sh.itjust.works · 114 pts · 250d
you uh.. . .
you looking to change that?
over_clox@lemmy.world · 61 pts · 250d
Do I get coke too?
Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone · 15 pts · 250d
That’s for patient use only! You’ll have to transition first if you want to use it.
MajesticTechie@feddit.uk · 21 pts · 250d
👉👈
KawaiiBitch@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 250d
random_character_a@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 250d
What would be the better word?
Akasazh@feddit.nl · 10 pts · 250d
Manual stimulation was the term I believe.
And one doctor got so tired of it that he invented the vibrator.
stiffyGlitch@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 250d
thank goodness
random_character_a@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 250d
Kinda kills the joke.
Akasazh@feddit.nl · 3 pts · 250d
I think it adds more depth, and warmth
GladiusB@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 250d
Flicked the bean?
random_character_a@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 250d
I don't have one and could still feel that.
squaresinger@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 250d
Yeah, that sounds seriosly painful.
FinjaminPoach@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 250d
This treatment definitely only applies to men. I don't think anyone ever "jerked off" a woman in the 1800s. Before then and afterwards, sure, but not during the Victorian times
squaresinger@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 250d
Actually, masturbation as treatment for "hysterical paroxyism" had its peak during victorian times.
FinjaminPoach@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 250d
"Yes patient, it is IMPERATIVE that I get my fingers inside of you as soon as possible... For science"
Agent641@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 250d
The smell was unbearable.
a_non_monotonic_function@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 250d
Gotta live sometime.
stiffyGlitch@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 250d
who hasnt
Beebabe@lemmy.world · 41 pts · 250d
Ah yes, “hysteria”…
ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org · 5 pts · 250d
Is this when lobotomies were common or did that come later?
Ketchup@reddthat.com · 9 pts · 250d
Later. So yeah, just Jack and coke
Beebabe@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 250d
Yeah, same bag of dicks.
Maroon@lemmy.world · 37 pts · 250d
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 250d
we don't need to bring everything back. only those parts
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 250d
Same sex marriage solves this problem.
_Nico198X_@europe.pub · 20 pts · 250d
don't you mean "Good friends and roommates"?
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 250d
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 250d
I don't believe that pic, no gay man would allow that monobrow.
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 250d
Bert definitely seems like the kind of gay man who would.
_Nico198X_@europe.pub · 2 pts · 250d
Bert has Ernie and his pigeons. He's definitely in his IDGAF era.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 250d
some people shape their bodies, some people are proud of them no matter what shape they take.
village604@adultswim.fan · 4 pts · 250d
Permanent bachelors
Soulg@ani.social · 4 pts · 250d
That wasn't allowed either
bytesonbike@discuss.online · 2 pts · 250d
Don't forget voting!
Oh and open a bank account!
D_C@sh.itjust.works · 33 pts · 250d
Best I can do is some mushrooms (possibly magic) and a washing machine on spin.
Apytele@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 250d
Eh. You can get a vibrat
oring back massager from the home goods section in Walmart for $6.That said all that serotonin is gonna make it HELLA hard to orgasm.
PrimeMinisterKeyes@leminal.space · 7 pts · 250d
Over here, they sell all sorts of "standard" sex toys, like vibrators, in drugstores. Out in the open, right next to the condoms and lube. #justeuropethings
Prove_your_argument@piefed.social · 7 pts · 250d
This is basically true in the US nowadays. Hard to say if it's every state, as some are more regressive than others.
Goodtoknow@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 250d
And yet there's often no toys for those with exterior parts
0x0@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 250d
The net disagrees...
stiffyGlitch@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 250d
I have one in my sex toy box, and its ok, I guess. doesn't really work very well for me though.
0x0@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 250d
Plug it in.
LH0ezVT@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 250d
Win-win. Tasty dinner or unraveling your childhood. Or slow, agonising death, of course.
wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 250d
We already have the slow agonizing death part down to a science
MyNameIsIgglePiggle@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 250d
I've just started on my cology journey
ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online · 29 pts · 250d
Fun fact, vibrators were invented as a 'medical' tool to aid women.
RichardDegenne@lemmy.zip · 23 pts · 250d
Me at the sex shop checkout:
"I... I have a prescription."
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 14 pts · 250d
And bicycles were discouraged, because they could promote hysteria.
village604@adultswim.fan · 10 pts · 250d
That's likely a myth.
Console_Modder@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 250d
Same thing as chainsaws. Go ahead, Google why the chainsaw was invented
Gladaed@feddit.org · 19 pts · 250d
Wrong in part. It was a medical tool to saw bones and shit. Not women. Sawing women is magicians work.
zaphod@sopuli.xyz · 6 pts · 250d
I suppose the comment you answered meant symphysiotomy, which is refering to cutting parts of the pelvis during child birth.
ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online · 1 pts · 250d
And only when their names are Sharon.
stiffyGlitch@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 250d
From The Columbus Dispatch:
Chainsaws were originally invented by Scottish doctors John Aitken and James Jeffray in the last 18th century for medical purposes, specifically to assist in a surgical procedure called symphysiotomy^1^ during childbirth. This early version of the chainsaw was a hand-cranked device used to remove ossified^2^ tissue. Over time, the chainsaw evolved into a powerful tool used for lodging.
1: symphysiotomy, symphysiotomy is a surgical procedure that involves dividing the cartilage of the pubic symphys to widen the pelvis, facilitating childbirth when there is difficulty due to a narrow pelvis. This operation is also called pyelotomy and is performed to allow passage of a baby during obstructed labor. 2 ossified, having turned into bone or bony tissue
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 250d
or washing machines.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 0 pts · 249d
GROK says it was invented to establish government fiscal responsibility.
MiddleAgesModem@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 250d
A film called "Hysteria" from 2011 covers that. Although apparently not historically accurate.
bytesonbike@discuss.online · 5 pts · 250d
Well yeah. These women were suffering from extreme bouts of hysteria.
0x0@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 250d
Thought it was a facial massaging device... until "facial" became optional.
AcidiclyBasicGlitch@sh.itjust.works · 23 pts · 250d
It's really sad but also kinda fascinating that there are definitely people who could read this and believe it's evidence of the downfall of modern society caused by equal rights, instead of realizing that this bitch was just understandably tired and making a humor joke in an attempt to lighten the burden of having to face another day trying to roll the boulder back up the bullshit mountain created by the people who want to take away her (and everyone else's) rights, dismantle society, and cause it to collapse.
MiddleAgesModem@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 250d
Even stranger that the title says "women".
AcidiclyBasicGlitch@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 250d
Well tbf, I did read the tweet and immediately upvote in solidarity with her
MiddleAgesModem@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 250d
No accusation meant toward you, meant OP.
LuxSpark@lemmy.cafe · 20 pts · 250d
That does sound a lot better than therapy. Why don't we do that anymore? Cocaine and jerking off are still S tier relievers.
ptu@sopuli.xyz · 7 pts · 250d
We don’t?
LuxSpark@lemmy.cafe · 2 pts · 250d
At the Dr's
ptu@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 250d
That would not be my preferred setting for a line and a wank
stiffyGlitch@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 250d
I thought we did
Tylerdurdon@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 250d
I mean... You can still have that kind of fun, it's just not called a doctor anymore.
bytesonbike@discuss.online · 7 pts · 250d
Oh who does this now? Do they do home visits?
Tylerdurdon@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 250d
If you have enough money
1984@lemmy.today · 15 pts · 250d
I would also never do therapy. :) But I also wouldnt do drugs.
remon@ani.social · 10 pts · 250d
And that's why you're not 1889.
1984@lemmy.today · 6 pts · 250d
:)
rizzothesmall@sh.itjust.works · 13 pts · 250d
And then you die at the ripe old age of 35 from a cut on your hand
mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 250d
I wonder how many of my health issues are because of injuries being left untreated (professionally).
like I tore my leg open on gravel last summer, nice big patch completely gone down below the hair follicles. just cleaned it out when I got home a couple hours later and kept flushing it multiple times a day and putting antibiotic cream on it, for a few weeks until it eventually healed over. took forever because of how deep and large it was, also I guess I'm just older and heal slower now. it definitely was at least a little bit infected for the week or two. it healed itself though
but, like, I've done that all my life. how fucked up is my body because of that. good thing was I got my overdue tetnis shot a few months earlier when I did go to emerge for something else that wouldn't stop bleeding
jessicablaze@lemmynsfw.com · 11 pts · 250d
Correction: This woman
BigMilk13@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 249d
You gotta be careful, because if you don't go far back enough, you'll end up lobotomized in some kind of haunted house. Go too far back and, especially as a woman, you'll be labeled "hysterical" or worse then exiled or killed. You gotta find that sweet spot when you could walk into Wild West CVS and take home a bottle Morphinecocainemeth to help wash down the Bovril.
Dasus@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 249d
They're exactly looking to be treated for hysteria.
While the word know just means frantic and sort of crazed and can be applied to anyone, it's originally about having a womb. From the greek word for a womb.
You're obviously right that them getting sent to an asylum or getting their brain poked through their eye (although lobotomy wouldn't be invented for like 30-40 years from their date) would be horrible.
But she's also right that they did indeed used to "jerk off" female patients as a treatment for hysteria. Then the doctors got lazy about rubbing and fingering women until climax, so they invented the vibrator. I may be taking a few liberties with the story so Google it yourself to verify the historicity.
hateisreality@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 248d
Is that why hysterectomy is removing the uterus is it tied to being hysterical?
Dasus@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 248d
I'm thinking a bit of both, but "definitely" to the first.
WoodScientist@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 248d
I really wonder about what people thought of that then. Did people really think it was a medical thing, or was this just a socialy respectable way for a man who couldn't get his wife off to pass the task on to someone who could perform the task with an air of medical respectability?
Or Hell, maybe it was a 19th century kink or swinger thing. People have always been freaky. At times in history they just had to hide it better.
Dasus@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 248d
I actually googled it a bit, and idk when "hysteria" widened to include men as well, but the very first inventor of a vibrator for medical purposes said he wouldn't use his "percuteur" for women as that would not be fitting. But he was a religious man afaik.
There were all sorts of galvanic stimulators and whatnot so I don't think they were all as prudes as we might think.
UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 250d
Me too, thanks
CaptainBlinky@lemmy.myserv.one · 3 pts · 249d
So would I.
MiddleAgesModem@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 250d
do women commonly refer to masturbation as "jerking off"?
Also this lady could just buy cocaine.
ALSO extremely weird to put a message from one woman while using the plural "women" in the title.
MacNCheezus@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 250d
Yes because when men are involved, people definitely never overgeneralize.
MiddleAgesModem@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 249d
So you agree it's wrong in that case and excuse it here?
Because I didn't say anything about men, did I?
MacNCheezus@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 248d
It’s a shitpost, don’t read too much into it.
I believe women are strong enough to handle it.
bytesonbike@discuss.online · 2 pts · 250d
My wife calls it rub down.
dil@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 250d
http://exhibits.usu.edu/exhibits/show/definingpets18th21stcenturies/petsassurrogates
Would they jerk you off or give you a "lapdog"
boolean_sledgehammer@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 249d
https://youtu.be/xh8y-6Jf4nA