So spotify has stolen their music. We have the technology to do anything we want, but someone needs to pay for it. Billionaires are holding us back. Billionaires are choosing not to end hunger or poverty. Remember that: rich people are choosing not to end hunger, homeless, or poverty. In fact, the rich are making it worse.
But given the AI imitations that are still invading Release Radar and Discover Weekly playlists, which the company prominently recommends to its users
This is the turbo-shitty part of the whole thing.
Facebook do this as well; they act like they've got too many users to police everything that gets uploaded, and you could almost believe them on that, but they sure as fuck have the resources to be able to police what they're choosing to boost.
They're choosing not to do that, because The Algorithm is highly tuned around "how many dollars can we make next month" and they'd rather use that as their metric.
I used Spotify super early and it's crazy how anti consumer and musicians they are, or became. Every now and then they smuggled in some ads and every time it was like: omg what a weird glitch. Podcasts, you would still hear their stupid ads. Oh well, then they suddenly injected ads into podcasts, wait, why do i pay for ads now? Seriously they deserve to go under.
I had a few support cases open with them when I open Spotify and get full screen ads about podcast and they spin it all "oh no. That's not an ad that's a recommendation!"
I don't use Spotify for podcasts, full stop, I had how I have to switch it from "all" to "music" on the home page. So dumb.
In 2011, Buckethead began releasing albums in the "Pike" series, mini-albums usually around 30 minutes in length, each with a sequential number similar to a comic book. As of October 2024, Buckethead has released 662 Pike albums, including almost 300 live recordings.
These seem to be him jamming straight onto the record.
Well, at least they can aspire to beat Muslimgauze, who released ninety albums on thirty-two different labels in seventeen years â mostly in the last eight or so â and died at the age of thirty-seven, leaving unreleased material for ninety more records. Alas, the music is rather samey.
If anything, Germany is one country where this would actually be legal...
Wenn das Original bereits verÜffentlicht wurde und bei einer Verwertungsgesellschaft wie der GEMA registriert ist, bedarf es keiner Erlaubnis des Urhebers, denn diese verwaltet die Nutzungsrechte der registrierten Kßnstler. Grundsätzlich ist die GEMA allerdings verpflichtet, jedem, der einen urheberrechtlich geschßtzten Song nutzen will, diese Rechte einzuräumen.
Gem. § 11 UrhWahrnG unterliegt die GEMA einem Kontrahierungszwang und dies in doppelter Hinsicht: Auf der einen Seite ist die GEMA ihren Mitgliedern verpflichtet, die ihr Ăźbertragenen Rechte wahrzunehmen, auf der anderen Seite ist darĂźber hinaus in der Pflicht, dem Musiknutzer diese Rechte auf Nachfrage gegen Entgelt einzuräumen. Damit ist das das Covern von verschiedenen Musiktiteln grĂśĂtenteils erlaubt, auch wenn es einigen KĂźnstlern sicherlich nicht gefallen wird.
I mean the broken clock is still wrong in this case. Everyone should be able to pirate anything, the issue so far is that only companies get a free pass while individuals get sued into bankruptcy.
I still use Pandora. I know they still lowball artist payments (not as bad as Spotify though) but I've never been presented with AI music on there as of yet.
Pandora just repeats the same set of songs over and over and over and over for me. Then you go over to the next radio, plays few popular songs and then the start repeating the ones you liked many moons ago again.
im on spotify and also have not gotten any AI music. nor have i seen any ads for ICE that i keep hearing about. all im missing is gizz really but that can easily be downloaded. just time consuming due to sheer amount of songs
I literally got recommended this AI band as well. Normally I can search: "X band AI" and I get results whether or not they are real.
All I had were 50 pages about the original band leaving Spotify.
I blocked this suspicious sounding band in-case it was AI. Looks like I was right.
Just as a note: earlier this year I stated I'd keep subscribing to Spotify because the recommendations were worth the cost. I was wrong, and I'm slowly starting my transition away.
I just don't understand anyone wpuld Listen to an AI knockoff of KG when you can find all of their concerts uploaded by their official bootlegger on the archive.
Them pulling out of Spotify was the last push I needed to switch to Tidal. The only downside for me is there was a spotify exclusive cover of Daisy by Wet Leg that you canât get anywhere else.
As someone that owned both, please donât use them for audio (at least the first gen PSP, donât know about the revisions). The audio while there is very bad compared to even BT audio nowadays. DS was especially bad that I didnât bother with it. They are fine for retro games (and native games) even today though.
It was pretty muddy but usable. I had a PSP hooked up to my car stereo via 3.5 jack on a custom dock that made it look really cool for a student on a budget back in the day (especially with the graphic the PSP could do while playing music), however whenever one of my friends would connect their iPod the difference in clarity was easy to tell.
I had basic after market speakers, with a very basic after market stereo (maybe ~$200 for both), nothing crazy but even in those you could tell. This was with a first gen PSP.
Edit: I also remember it could struggle a little with some of the bigger headphones (I had a pair of Sony MDR V6) at higher volumes (again still usable, but not ideal).
Qobuz allows you to stream but also to buy high quality albums which you can then download as well.
Of course choose the option you prefer as long as you support bands you listen to. I bought plenty of King Gizzard albums on Bandcamp too now. Other bands I buy vinyl from that sometimes also means I get codes for those albums on Bandcamp. And through Qobuz artists I listen to at least get higher reimbursement for those streams.
My biggest complaint is they act like everyone in Belgium speaks French. And you can't choose your language for either communication or interface, they base it of country. So despite being part of a majority of Dutch speakers, I get everything in French, including French language artists.
I presume it's a similar licensing to tv shows. They get a conditional license for a short period of time and then it's revoked and theyre forced to comply.
I totally understand taking down the store listing. But if I already bought the music, I expect to be able to download them again in perpetuity.
I wish more musicians could / would reject record labels and publish independently.
I do recommend getting a trial, it has none of the social features of a Spotify and no free tier means you can't share links to people who don't use it. For me the last is a bit of a shame since I'd like to use that method to get friends acquainted with it. For me, it's worth it.
I think Jay-Z funded part of it; not sure if he's still involved or not... Looks like Block owns the vast majority of it now, and they're a particularly shady and shitty enterprise as well.
I haven't used spotify for years. I never paid for it. I've been buying music (mostly from Bandcamp) and I have no regrets. I try to see bands live when I can, too, and buy a shirt or something.
I honestly never went to Spotify. I listen to music between YT and Soundcloud most of the time, just about every song you can think of is on there and a lot of indie artists you never heard of, although SoundCloud appears to be getting worse by the day you now need to close 3 popup windows before you're allowed to listen to music without signing in and a lot of the music on there is sped up or has a sharp ping in it to avoid detection algorithms.
Holy shit I forgot about media monkey. Trying to remember the one I used to use on Linux. Clementine I think? There was a good KDE and GNOME one I remember.
I mean, I use a foss YouTube music app, yarr, but even there if you play an album, or a specific song from the album, it queues up the album. If you play a song out of search it queues up related songs. Spotify is similar. Playlists are also a thing. I don't use it for ethics reasons but sounds like your past issues were user error.
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Reality_Suit@lemmy.world · 124 pts · 258d
So spotify has stolen their music. We have the technology to do anything we want, but someone needs to pay for it. Billionaires are holding us back. Billionaires are choosing not to end hunger or poverty. Remember that: rich people are choosing not to end hunger, homeless, or poverty. In fact, the rich are making it worse.
tym@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 257d
TrickDacy@lemmy.world · 67 pts · 258d
So gross. I'm not going back to Spotify.
fl1p@piefed.zip · 5 pts · 257d
skisnow@lemmy.ca · 63 pts · 258d
This is the turbo-shitty part of the whole thing.
Facebook do this as well; they act like they've got too many users to police everything that gets uploaded, and you could almost believe them on that, but they sure as fuck have the resources to be able to police what they're choosing to boost.
They're choosing not to do that, because The Algorithm is highly tuned around "how many dollars can we make next month" and they'd rather use that as their metric.
FreddiesLantern@leminal.space · 54 pts · 257d
Recently read Spotify is running ads for the USA gestapo.
Fully unsubbed/deleted same day. Hell to the no.
LaMouette@jlai.lu · 51 pts · 258d
Did you know that in the US you can copy spotify AI knockoff and sell them ? As it is not human produced, they are not protected by IP laws đ¤
ThefuzzyFurryComrade@pawb.social · 6 pts · 256d
Problem is that because they are not human produced they are worthless.
wizblizz@lemmy.world · 45 pts · 258d
Spotify is an advertising platform, first and foremost. They don't give a fuck about music or artists.
cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 257d
Or their customers đ
FatVegan@leminal.space · 5 pts · 257d
I used Spotify super early and it's crazy how anti consumer and musicians they are, or became. Every now and then they smuggled in some ads and every time it was like: omg what a weird glitch. Podcasts, you would still hear their stupid ads. Oh well, then they suddenly injected ads into podcasts, wait, why do i pay for ads now? Seriously they deserve to go under.
cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 256d
I had a few support cases open with them when I open Spotify and get full screen ads about podcast and they spin it all "oh no. That's not an ad that's a recommendation!"
I don't use Spotify for podcasts, full stop, I had how I have to switch it from "all" to "music" on the home page. So dumb.
harmbugler@piefed.social · 37 pts · 258d
Kind Gizzard can still drop albums faster than AI.
SlurpingPus@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 257d
Have they beaten Buckethead yet?
These seem to be him jamming straight onto the record.
harmbugler@piefed.social · 3 pts · 257d
Goodness me, not close! King Gizzard are certainly prolific but not on that scale!
SlurpingPus@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 257d
Well, at least they can aspire to beat Muslimgauze, who released ninety albums on thirty-two different labels in seventeen years â mostly in the last eight or so â and died at the age of thirty-seven, leaving unreleased material for ninety more records. Alas, the music is rather samey.
fossilesque@mander.xyz · 5 pts · 257d
Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 35 pts · 258d
That is illegal in germany. So i wonder how that now works
Asetru@feddit.org · 6 pts · 258d
If anything, Germany is one country where this would actually be legal...
https://www.juraforum.de/news/ist-das-covern-von-musik-erlaubt_247126
Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 15 pts · 258d
No. The GEMA lawsuit in November prohibited training ai on music, or use AI to create or distribute music (atleast from how i understood it)
bonenode@piefed.social · 5 pts · 258d
unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de · 4 pts · 258d
I mean the broken clock is still wrong in this case. Everyone should be able to pirate anything, the issue so far is that only companies get a free pass while individuals get sued into bankruptcy.
ayyy@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 257d
Can you expand on this? Which part, specifically, is illegal? How is it enforced?
Yerbouti@sh.itjust.works · 31 pts · 258d
Spotify hates musicians. Bandcamp, Tidal if you need Spotify like service.
buddascrayon@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 258d
I still use Pandora. I know they still lowball artist payments (not as bad as Spotify though) but I've never been presented with AI music on there as of yet.
0_o7@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 257d
Pandora just repeats the same set of songs over and over and over and over for me. Then you go over to the next radio, plays few popular songs and then the start repeating the ones you liked many moons ago again.
buddascrayon@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 256d
What you are describing is what i like about it. And it introduced new songs often enough for me to not get bored with it.
BigBananaDealer@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 257d
im on spotify and also have not gotten any AI music. nor have i seen any ads for ICE that i keep hearing about. all im missing is gizz really but that can easily be downloaded. just time consuming due to sheer amount of songs
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 257d
I know it doesn't matter much, but it pleases me that Spotify isn't getting my money.
dellhiver@sh.itjust.works · 21 pts · 258d
I literally got recommended this AI band as well. Normally I can search: "X band AI" and I get results whether or not they are real.
All I had were 50 pages about the original band leaving Spotify.
I blocked this suspicious sounding band in-case it was AI. Looks like I was right.
Just as a note: earlier this year I stated I'd keep subscribing to Spotify because the recommendations were worth the cost. I was wrong, and I'm slowly starting my transition away.
ArsonButCute@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 15 pts · 257d
I just don't understand anyone wpuld Listen to an AI knockoff of KG when you can find all of their concerts uploaded by their official bootlegger on the archive.
binarytobis@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 257d
Them pulling out of Spotify was the last push I needed to switch to Tidal. The only downside for me is there was a spotify exclusive cover of Daisy by Wet Leg that you canât get anywhere else.
ThunderQueen@lemmy.world · 37 pts · 257d
pet1t@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 257d
any recs for good mp3 players? hard to find an affordable good condition ipod classic nowadays
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 257d
old phone whats still got the plug
SlartyBartFast@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 257d
Winamp really whips the llama's ass
ThunderQueen@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 257d
hateisreality@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 257d
Fiio makes one
Turret3857@infosec.pub · 0 pts · 257d
ChapulinColorado@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 257d
As someone that owned both, please donât use them for audio (at least the first gen PSP, donât know about the revisions). The audio while there is very bad compared to even BT audio nowadays. DS was especially bad that I didnât bother with it. They are fine for retro games (and native games) even today though.
Turret3857@infosec.pub · 1 pts · 257d
ChapulinColorado@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 255d
It was pretty muddy but usable. I had a PSP hooked up to my car stereo via 3.5 jack on a custom dock that made it look really cool for a student on a budget back in the day (especially with the graphic the PSP could do while playing music), however whenever one of my friends would connect their iPod the difference in clarity was easy to tell.
I had basic after market speakers, with a very basic after market stereo (maybe ~$200 for both), nothing crazy but even in those you could tell. This was with a first gen PSP.
Edit: I also remember it could struggle a little with some of the bigger headphones (I had a pair of Sony MDR V6) at higher volumes (again still usable, but not ideal).
pet1t@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 257d
can't wait to chuck a psp in my pocket to listen music on the go hahaha
DV8@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 257d
Qobuz allows you to stream but also to buy high quality albums which you can then download as well. Of course choose the option you prefer as long as you support bands you listen to. I bought plenty of King Gizzard albums on Bandcamp too now. Other bands I buy vinyl from that sometimes also means I get codes for those albums on Bandcamp. And through Qobuz artists I listen to at least get higher reimbursement for those streams.
bitwolf@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 257d
One complaint I have about Qobuz isn't even Qobuz fault.
But often my purchased track are removed shortly after purchase.
The DMCA trolling is so bad that Qobuz has to prunt a warning that you download your tracks ASAP after purchase.
That said i can't find better services than Qobuz and Bandcamp.
DV8@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 257d
My biggest complaint is they act like everyone in Belgium speaks French. And you can't choose your language for either communication or interface, they base it of country. So despite being part of a majority of Dutch speakers, I get everything in French, including French language artists.
Still worth it though.
FeatherConstrictor@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 257d
Wait is that why qobuz's library is a bit lacking? Why do they have so many DMCA takedowns?
bitwolf@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 256d
I presume it's a similar licensing to tv shows. They get a conditional license for a short period of time and then it's revoked and theyre forced to comply.
I totally understand taking down the store listing. But if I already bought the music, I expect to be able to download them again in perpetuity.
I wish more musicians could / would reject record labels and publish independently.
ThunderQueen@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 257d
DV8@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 257d
I do recommend getting a trial, it has none of the social features of a Spotify and no free tier means you can't share links to people who don't use it. For me the last is a bit of a shame since I'd like to use that method to get friends acquainted with it. For me, it's worth it.
ThunderQueen@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 256d
hateisreality@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 257d
Bandcamp gets so much of my money....it's the best service
Geobloke@aussie.zone · 3 pts · 257d
Flac for lyf heretic
ThunderQueen@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 257d
binarytobis@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 257d
Bandcamp doesnât have spotify exclusives, but I hear you.
ThunderQueen@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 257d
isVeryLoud@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 257d
đ´ââ ď¸
cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 257d
But isn't tidal all Kanye or something?
sobchak@programming.dev · 1 pts · 257d
I think Jay-Z funded part of it; not sure if he's still involved or not... Looks like Block owns the vast majority of it now, and they're a particularly shady and shitty enterprise as well.
jjjalljs@ttrpg.network · 10 pts · 257d
I haven't used spotify for years. I never paid for it. I've been buying music (mostly from Bandcamp) and I have no regrets. I try to see bands live when I can, too, and buy a shirt or something.
FosterMolasses@leminal.space · 8 pts · 257d
Repulsive.
Also, can't they sue?
finitebanjo@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 257d
I honestly never went to Spotify. I listen to music between YT and Soundcloud most of the time, just about every song you can think of is on there and a lot of indie artists you never heard of, although SoundCloud appears to be getting worse by the day you now need to close 3 popup windows before you're allowed to listen to music without signing in and a lot of the music on there is sped up or has a sharp ping in it to avoid detection algorithms.
titanicx@lemmy.zip · 9 pts · 257d
God I really hate yt music. I fucking miss Google music. It was one of the best players out there.
w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 257d
I'm currently using OpenTune. Works great. What are you guys on?
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 257d
musicolet (phone) mediamonkey (desktop)
cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 257d
Holy shit I forgot about media monkey. Trying to remember the one I used to use on Linux. Clementine I think? There was a good KDE and GNOME one I remember.
YourMomsTrashman@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 253d
Listen to King Gizzard, listen to Deerhoof. Great music :)
lechekaflan@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 257d
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world · -4 pts · 257d
mika_mika@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 257d
I mean, I use a foss YouTube music app, yarr, but even there if you play an album, or a specific song from the album, it queues up the album. If you play a song out of search it queues up related songs. Spotify is similar. Playlists are also a thing. I don't use it for ethics reasons but sounds like your past issues were user error.
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 257d
Blackmist@feddit.uk · 4 pts · 257d
Spotify shuffles "similar artists" in if you pick the playlists called BAND_NAME Radio.
I dunno how it operates in free mode, because I don't hate myself enough to hear their crappy ads.
HatFullOfSky@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 257d
Free mode forces shuffle play, it's obnoxious
Blackmist@feddit.uk · 3 pts · 257d
Amazon Prime does that too, and you have to pay for that...