Elon Musk Says Womb Defines Womanhood After Calling Trans Daughter 'My Son' With 'Mental Illness'
https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/elon-musk-says-womb-defines-womanhood-after-calling-trans-daughter-my-son-mental-illness-1762741
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partial_accumen@lemmy.world · 162 pts · 247d
So, according to Musk, a woman that has had a medically necessary hysterectomy is no longer woman? What is she, then, Elon?
ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 164 pts · 247d
No. Musk and other transphobes don't actually believe what they believe because of the reasons they state. They believe what they believe, and say whatever feels right in the moment to support their hate, and don't care in the slightest if it contradicts another of their beliefs somewhere else. The hate is the point. The words are just window dressing.
partial_accumen@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 247d
It sure makes them look like absolute idiots, though. It also discredits their arguments when their claims fail under the smallest bit of critical thinking. Musk's idiotic and ignorant statements like this shine like a giant beacon of how brain dead his mindset is. Anyone that might have been swayed, when examining his argument, can see how stupid he is with this statement, and carry that over to seeing the stupidity in his hate.
ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 41 pts · 247d
The thing is though, no one actually changes their opinion because Musk spouts contradictory bullshit. His fellow transphobes just see him pushing transphobia, and don't care what he's actually saying. For them as well, the point is the hate. The words are just as meaningless, whether it's their words or someone elses. The only thing that matters, is that it pushes hate.
For people that are already trans allies, his words don't change anything.
And for people who are on the fence, who don't know how to feel about trans folk and their rights, musks words won't change anything either. The thing that turns fences sitters in to supporters is seeing the human face of trans people. It's the experience of trans people shifting from a hypothetical talking point in to real people, who are impacted by the hate. And again, that has very little to do with the words people use.
LadyMeow@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 18 pts · 247d
It’s true, and you see it all the time. If you concede any point they just move the goalposts. The point is hate. They hate trans people, so no matter what they will hate them. If there was a magic pill that would make a trans person 100% indistinguishable from any other people they would claim that real women don’t take medicine or something insane.
hovercat@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 246d
I mean, they basically already do this with everything else regarding trans healthcare so of course they will.
WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 246d
It doesn’t matter that they look like idiots if they’re looking like idiots while running circles around their opposition
Zorque@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 247d
The hate stems from fear, fear stoked by people who stand to gain from the divisiveness that's created. Many even start to believe their own faulty rhetoric as it gives them a rush of power and control.
ada@piefed.blahaj.zone · 15 pts · 247d
Yep. People can and obviously are swayed by Musks transphobia. But they're not swayed because he comes up with a singular definition they agree with. They're swayed because his pattern of exclusion is designed to stoke fear. The successive anti trans comments, the support from other bigots, and the fear narratives all tell people they should be nervous about trans folk. And then the messages keep coming, and the uncertainty changes to fear.
Which is to say, celebrating a "gotcha" in a transphobes wording, might feel good in the moment, but pointing out the contradiction doesn't make any meaningful difference to people who are already feeling that fear and anxiety.
Meron35@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 246d
Yes. Musk, and alot of the right wing crowd, seem to subscribe to bio-essentialism, which reduces the only purpose of human life down to procreation and passing down their genes.
Anyone who cannot, or does not do this is deemed a failure, e.g. trans people, intersex people, gay/lesbians, infertile women or men, old people.
Musk is a father of 14, and has issued multiple "warnings" that low birth rate is most pressing issue, and that people should reproduce as much as possible.
AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net · 5 pts · 246d
Exactly this. Their misogyny plus this gross bioessentialism means that they believe that the fundamental Purpose of women is to act as baby incubators. We are not even people to them — the only thing of value is our wombs, so people who cannot or will not be an obedient baby factory are literally worthless in their eyes.
It is gross beyond belief. I never planned to have "home-cooked" children, but weirdos like this are a big part of why I'm on the waitlist to be permanently sterilised. I wish that I could see my uterus as a neutral thing — like a vestigial organ or something. Alas, people like this turn what should be a neutral facet of biological reality into something deeply political.
piccolo@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 246d
Capitalism requires infinite growth. If population declines, thats less work that can be exploited to acculmate more wealth.
berno@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 247d
this is such a dumbass argument, you lose so many people with this idiotic rhetoric
they are a woman.
slingstone@lemmy.world · 117 pts · 247d
Oh, no! Is my wife who got a hysterectomy now a man? Am I gay, now?
TheLowestStone@lemmy.world · 82 pts · 247d
Yes. I'm sorry this is how you found out.
ozymandias@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 27 pts · 247d
don’t worry, musk holds no scientific degrees
a_non_monotonic_function@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 246d
We are gay now, comrade.
Archangel1313@lemmy.ca · 57 pts · 247d
Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.org · 26 pts · 247d
Someone should make a hole and check
veniasilente@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 247d
How about three holes. Each with a Dedication, to boot.
mushroommunk@lemmy.today · 10 pts · 247d
Another brain worm from rfk spread to him
borth@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 246d
Nah, his worm is all homemade
a_non_monotonic_function@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 246d
I mean, just dig in a bit. Apartheid riches incest family? Cozying up to the worst humanity has to offer? Public sig heil. Telling the AFD that they should be proud and not constrained by the "sins of the past."
This dude would be burning bodies if he could.
ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 247d
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 48 pts · 247d
Idk Ms Wilson seems far more mentally healthy than her ex father
AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space · 40 pts · 247d
Shitty person says shitty thing, film at 11
glorkon@lemmy.world · 38 pts · 246d
A truly disgusting human being.
With that kind of wealth, imagine all the good he could do. He could improve living conditions for millions of people. He could fight climate change, buy vast amounts of rainforest and save it from being chopped down, there's almost no limit to what he could achieve by helping humanity as a whole.
Instead he lets himself be used by dumb wannabe dictators, shows the Hitler salute, builds cars that look like the wet dream of a six year old, calls his family members mentally ill, hoards all this wealth.
Even if it wouldn't be out of true altruism, how can he not see that being a tiny bit less of an asshole and doing some good would at least improve his personal image and help grow his business?
I literally cannot put into words how much I despise this man.
GeeDubHayduke@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 24 pts · 246d
Remember when he said if the UN have him a budget to end world hunger, he'd pay for it? And when they did, he bought Twitter instead?
Pepperidgde Farms remembers.
glorkon@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 246d
He prefers sending rockets that are shaped like his micropenis into space over paying for one blind child's eye surgery.
This is all we need to know about his character.
Trainguyrom@reddthat.com · 3 pts · 246d
To be fair, penises happen to be shaped like the most efficient rockets we know how to build right now.
Now, the fact that we have a space race between private space companies each mostly funded by a single individual that's a horrifying demonstration of the failures of the world's tax systems. No individual nor individual family should be that wealthy.
bss03@infosec.pub · 1 pts · 246d
That's not what happened: https://www.snopes.com/news/2022/04/26/elon-musk-hunger/
He's bad, even among billionaires, so we don't have to make up (or even sensationalize) how/when he fails to be a good person.
Robust_Mirror@aussie.zone · 2 pts · 245d
https://eattherichtextformat.github.io/1-pixel-wealth/
This always gets to me.
"Contaminated water is a major source of disease, including cholera, dysentery, and typhoid. It is estimated that contaminated water kills about 829,000 people every year, making it one of the world's biggest killers. The cost to provide clean water and waste disposal for everyone on earth would be about $240 billion, or 8% of the wealth controlled by the 400 richest Americans."
He alone could fund clean water and plumbing to the entire world. Without changing his lifestyle at all.
Not one city.
Not one state.
Not one country.
The world.
Billionaires are disgusting and don't deserve to be called human.
"These programs combined would completely transform our world. By redistributing this wealth, millions of lives would be saved. Billions would be rescued from poverty and disease. By inconveniencing just 400 people, the entire human race could advance to a new, unprecedented level of development.
And all of them would still be billionaires afterwards."
Dry_Monk@lemmy.world · 34 pts · 246d
This is why I refuse to call it anything but Twitter. What's wrong, you're identifying differently? You never were a blue bird to begin with? Tweet tweet.
D_C@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 246d
I call it xhitter. It's shit like twitter but ten times worse.
NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 246d
I'll stop dead naming Twitter when he stops dead naming Vivian.
LuckingFurker@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 33 pts · 247d
Both transphobia and demonstrating that he (and the far right generally) think that women are only for producing children
GeeDubHayduke@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 246d
Elon: "Behold! Women!"
The women:
hildegarde@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 30 pts · 246d
Estranged and disowned fathers are not good sources of information.
Formfiller@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 246d
Elon has a mental illness. Malignant narcissist
nonentity@sh.itjust.works · 23 pts · 246d
Financial obesity is neurotoxic.
pulsewidth@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 246d
The 'phobes will never stop attempting to exclude trans women. Eventually when society at large accepts trans people as just a part of society, they'll move onto another minority.
The whole point is having someone to other so you can use them as a scapegoat and distraction for societies problems. Elon and others know their goal - keep the poors fighting amongst themselves.
compostgoblin@piefed.blahaj.zone · 20 pts · 247d
He should seriously consider shutting the fuck up forever
AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.ca · 20 pts · 247d
So when we're able to create an artificial or transplanted womb, he'll agree that a trans woman is a woman?
TheJesusaurus@sh.itjust.works · 16 pts · 247d
Also, apparently a piece of medical equipment will be a woman
stray@pawb.social · 2 pts · 246d
That's probably his preference. Just fill rows of them full of little baby Elon clones without any humanity to get in the way of his immortality.
Taleya@aussie.zone · 18 pts · 246d
Idiot says stupid shit, news at 11
MushuChupacabra@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 247d
It must be so irritating for him to be eclipsed by his daughter in absolutely every way that counts.
explodicle@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 246d
As a father, that's exactly what I want to happen to me.
MushuChupacabra@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 246d
There's absolutely no way that Elon picks up what you're putting down.
vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works · 17 pts · 246d
He's just jealous that she has had pretty good end results to her gender affirming care. Meanwhile Elon supposedly had a botched penis enlargement surgery and now can't get it on.
Quexotic@infosec.pub · 1 pts · 246d
irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 16 pts · 246d
Consider this: if having a womb is the defining feature of Womanhood, what is a woman who removed theirs?
Taleya@aussie.zone · 17 pts · 246d
What is a menopausal woman? The fucker's just reducing the gender to "things that will breed me children" and he can shove it back up his arse
SabinStargem@lemmy.today · 12 pts · 246d
A woman with agency over her life.
Exactly the sort of person that Musk fears most, because his agency comes from money, not will. He doesn't like it when people can be his equal.
webp@mander.xyz · 14 pts · 246d
This is beyond parody, one of the most mentally unwell people on earth saying this shit. Motherfucker wants to go to mars just to pass the title
tlmcleod@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 246d
I wish a motherfucker would. Radiation sounds like a painful way to die
Star@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 14 pts · 247d
What an embarassing pudding-brain he's grown into, eh? Almost like it's abusive to raise people to have dragon sickness.
ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 245d
Well, if you ever wanted to know if Special K can be a cure for psychopathy, now you do.
Star@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 245d
Thank goodness!
PearOfJudes@lemmy.ml · 14 pts · 246d
All the power and wealth, but no true love.
drhodl@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 246d
Imagine being so insecure, despite having unlimited wealth, that you always must have someone to beat down on. Elmo is NOT an uplifting guy, and humanity will be far better off when he's gone. He could have been something special, but instead he became a curse upon us.
Mulligrubs@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 245d
Hoarding is the result of mental illness, whether the horde is garbage or cars or cash.
It's in the DSM-5, code 300.3; ICD-10 code F42.3
So, Musk is mentally ill according to the best of our medical experts and acquired knowledge over the centuries. He might even be considered the most mentally ill hoarder of all time (though I am no expert, and neither is he).
MoonRaven@feddit.nl · 13 pts · 246d
Fuck Elon.
subignition@fedia.io · 11 pts · 247d
It was hard not to reflexively down vote because of how vile this is.
ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 6 pts · 247d
lbz ignores downvotes in any case
subignition@fedia.io · 4 pts · 247d
Oh lovely, then the handful I see on various posts in the thread are coming from my own instance. Wonderful
degen@midwest.social · 11 pts · 247d
It's not called wombanhood, stinky
Gammelfisch@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 246d
Leon Hitler can piss in the wind.
Jhex@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 246d
and once again, I find I don't care what this used asswipe has to say
BoycottTwitter@lemmy.zip · 8 pts · 245d
That man doesn't deserve a penny. I urge everyone to contact companies and ask them to create a Bluesky account and halt any advertising on Twitter. Also of course boycott Telsa too!
omgboom@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 7 pts · 247d
WillStealYourUsername@piefed.blahaj.zone · 6 pts · 247d
Hey, that language is a bit misogynistic. Nothing cowardly about pussies
subignition@fedia.io · 5 pts · 247d
As a gay guy, even I don't think you should insult vaginas like this
DylanMc6@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 246d
vivian should start a social media platform and also run for representative just to watch her father squirm. seriously!
SnarkoPolo@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 246d
These are the people Americans are told we must admire. After all, More Money == Better Than You
llama@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 247d
Wow he's such a expert on human identity glad I have the facts that matter now
DylanMc6@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 246d
elon, one's womb DOESN'T even define womanhood. there's a difference between sex and gender - sex is biological, gender is social. also trans women are ALWAYS women, regardless of their genitalia. vivian wilson is a woman. seriously!
frustrated_phagocytosis@fedia.io · 5 pts · 247d
Let me have one corpse with a uterus, I'll make Elon a woman real quick. He'll shut up once he's a woman, right?
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social · 4 pts · 247d
👏 force 👏 fem 👏 the 👏 Nazis 👏
dis_da_mor@anarchist.nexus · 5 pts · 247d
Captain_Patchy@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 246d
throw a couple more hitlergrub and wonder why everyone that has nothing to gain from you hates you and your shitty options.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 246d
He couldn't understand.
presoak@lazysoci.al · 1 pts · 245d
SomeRandomNoob@discuss.tchncs.de · 1 pts · 246d
And what would he be if someone would remove his dick and balls?
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 246d
SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 245d
https://youtu.be/Ez9Emsj7cas