Other sources:
https://lifestylemedicine.stanford.edu/brain-food-connection/
https://www.health.harvard.edu/mind-and-mood/mediterranean-diet-may-help-ease-depression
https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/clinical/link-between-diet-and-mental-health-extremely-sign
70 Comments
zout@fedia.io · 136 pts · 251d
Could very well be the other way around, people who don't suffer from anxiety or depression tend to eat more fruits and vegetables. Or, the thing that makes you anxious or depressed also causes you to eat less vegetables or fruits. The article specifically states "correlation is never causation".
Agent641@lemmy.world · 71 pts · 251d
Or even " the people who have the time to prepare, money to buy and luxury of access to fruits and vegetables are happier because they have time, money and luxury, whereas people who are poor and/0or work two jobs are depressed and incidentally don't eat many vegetables.
FatVegan@leminal.space · 17 pts · 251d
Who can afford apples and time to prepare it. Well, off to McDonald's
Agent641@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 251d
Yeah that's fair, I'm pretty money and time poor but I also eat whole raw carrots straight out of the bag like a fucking horse
MelodiousFunk@slrpnk.net · 6 pts · 251d
Raw carrots > cooked carrots
I do suggest at least washing them though.
acockworkorange@mander.xyz · 1 pts · 236d
Wash them down with hard liquor to kill the worms.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 20 pts · 251d
Yet that doesn't stop epidemiologists from running to the media with their bullshit conclusions.
People who eat well are more educated, have more money, can spend more time and money on mental health and are not doing some mind-numbing bullshit job.
scarabic@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 251d
While wealthier people have access to better food, is it that hard to believe that eating well also benefits your health and well being?
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 9 pts · 251d
It's not one variable. There is no depression sandwich.
scarabic@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 251d
Did anyone say this is the only variable? One thing can have an effect without being the entire explanation.
AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 251d
But we already knew eating healthy foods make you healthier. Like the original comment said, maybe people who are depressed are less likely to eat healthy foods when they are feeling depressed.
scarabic@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 251d
If we already knew that eating healthy makes you healthy, then why are we running for alternative explanations here? Why can’t eating healthy make you emotionally healthy, too?
People in this thread seem to have a strong attachment to the stereotype of depressed people gorging themselves on junk food for comfort, but that’s all it is: a stereotype - hardly a reliable description of depression.
AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 251d
That could very well be. The original comment was only pointing out the possibility that it could be the other way around since the post seemed to have left that out, that's it.
But anecdotally it's not that I eat junk food to feel better when I'm depressed, but I just don't care. I've eaten a bag of carrots before as a dinner, I've had two pop tarts as a dinner too. I'm not trying to feel better.
ChexMax@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 251d
I mean yeah, when I'm most depressed I practically live on fruit and veggies. Cheap at the produce stand and takes no effort to prepare, easy calories. You have to cook meat, but not watermelon. Sprinkle some parmesan on canned green beans and boom, that's dinner. You can leave apples in your room and then you don't even need to get out of bed to eat! Also bags of chips. Hey, even that's potatoes though!
But seriously, if a diet "cured depression" it wouldn't be because it's full of fruit and veg, it'd be because it's dynamic and well rounded.
scarabic@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 251d
Nobody said “cured,” that’s exaggerating it to make a straw man out of it. “Significantly less likely to suffer from it” is the finding. The people in question may never have even been depressed at all.
scarabic@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 251d
Correlation is never causation? I’m not sure how I feel about that phrasing. Any causation will effect a correlation, so it seems the proper way to think about it is “correlation is not necessarily causation.” Unless we’re just talking about denotations here, as in “correlation and causation are different words.” I guess in that sense, ambulance is never dildo.
MajorasTerribleFate@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 251d
Couldn't decide between:
"Not with that attitude."
"Paige, no!"
Zombie@feddit.uk · 1 pts · 251d
0x0@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 12 pts · 251d
I once saw an article posted by Harvard's medical school that claimed patients' self-assessment of poor health caused poor health outcomes. Their advice was to simply believe in yourself to improve your health outcomes.
Needless to say, this was based on an observational study. They never even entertained the idea that patients might have some intuition that they're sick prior to getting diagnosed.
OpticalMoose@discuss.tchncs.de · 6 pts · 251d
scarabic@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 251d
I’m the opposite. When I’m feeling run down and shitty, I ask myself when’s the last time I had a salad, and go make one. It always makes me feel better. Not just better, more completely full and satisfied.
pelespirit@sh.itjust.works · -6 pts · 251d
I mean, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that if you live on doritos and diet coke, you're going to have a depression and anxiety problem.
Susaga@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 251d
Why should I listen to a rocket scientist about mental health? I mean, it hardly takes a brain surgeon to realise that people with depression will indulge in their comfort foods more often. Doritos don't lead to depression; depression leads to doritos.
pelespirit@sh.itjust.works · -2 pts · 251d
The studies say differently.
Susaga@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 251d
No they don't. They explicitly say correlation is not causation, and all they have found is a link within a small sample size. A link that is equally well explained by mental health affecting diet.
scarabic@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 251d
Why are you so eager to believe that happy people eat vegetables rather than the other way around? You don’t think there’s corroborating evidence generally that a diet of fresh fruits and vegetables is good for you?
Susaga@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 251d
That is... Not what I said. Think: If a person's having a bad day, then they're more likely to say "I don't feel like cooking. I'll just have a snack to make myself feel better." Their mood affects their diet.
‘We are not in any way saying eating more vegetables is a cure for mental health' - This article.
scarabic@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 251d
It’s exactly what you fucking said, right here:
So again, why is this SO obvious to you while it’s unthinkable that eating well may be good for you? Any evidence whatsoever that this is the direction the causal arrow points? Or just snappy phrases like “it doesn’t take a brain surgeon to realize…?”
pelespirit@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 251d
Susaga@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 251d
That shows a link between depression and gut microbes, but it seems to indicate that depression causes the lack of those microbes, rather than the other way around. Plus, it doesn't say a THING about diet, cause those microbes process food instead of coming from it.
At most, you've proven a link. Not causation.
SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 251d
Correlation or causation?
themeatbridge@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 251d
Not to mention confounding factors and comorbidity. Add a dash of confirmation bias, bake halfway, and bam! You got some pop science journalism.
FlexibleToast@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 251d
I know it's anecdotal, but I'm a historically picky eater that doesn't eat much fruits or veggies (I'm working on that). However, I'm probably also the last anxious and depressed person I know. There are plenty of other factors at play too. Like I can comfortably afford life and don't have anxiety about hidden expenses for things... I bet there is a strong correlation between people who eat a diverse, healthy diet and people who have the means to afford that diet.
SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 251d
Yet you lose your mind when people use printers.
FlexibleToast@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 251d
Nope
SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 251d
I dunno, pretty sure I've got you tagged as "printer-hating mouth-breather" for a reason
FlexibleToast@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 251d
Because you are weird about printers. I had forgotten about that interaction yet it was so important to you that you tagged me. I don't even remember what it was about other than printers.
SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 251d
I tagged you because you were incredibly weird about printers.
FlexibleToast@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 251d
Yes, I'm the weird one here. Not the person who was obsessed enough to tag the other person... The more I think about it, I think I do remember some of this interaction and there is some serious irony here. The way I remember it is that you couldn't realize the your personal experience was anecdotal and not necessarily representative of most people. Yet here I am in a completely unrelated thread and comment specifying that I know my personal experience is anecdotal. Lol, have fun with your printer dude.
scarabic@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 251d
Correlation or correlation due to causation. We have taken the “correlation is not causation” thing so far that people now literally believe by default that any correlation indicates that there IS NO causation.
kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 251d
I'm assuming they correct for correlation and isolate causation in coming to these conclusions, right? People that eat more fruits and veggies are also more likely to be people that practice other health conscious habits, get regular preventative care to avoid illness, grow their own food which is exercise and boosts feelings of security and satisfaction, have higher incomes/wealth that reduces stressers from their lives, have others doing some or all of their shopping and food prep for them allowing them to focus on preferred activities, avoid negative health aspects of highly processed foods that can increase illness, etc.
I mean, I don't doubt that eating whole fruits and veggies is good for your physical health, which can boost your mental health in turn. I'm just saying that I don't think the cureall for mental health issues is vegetarianism.
falseWhite@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 251d
sidelove@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 251d
For me, it's both. When I'm in a funk and I stumble into eating healthy for a small stretch I feel slightly better. Same deal when I'm happy but eat like garbage and just feel bloated and anxious, which makes me give up and eat more garbage, which makes me feel even worse.
That said, food's a slight correlation for me, exercise seems to be a bigger factor in my happiness, though again, that too is interrelated, I have more energy and less sluggishness to exercise when I eat right.
Cosplaying being healthy and taking care of my body can lift my mood. Not the only factor, but a sizable one.
Cheems@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 251d
Is that why my girlfriend keeps telling me to eat more pineapple?
LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 251d
Yes because she doesn't want to feel depressed when she's sucking the cum out of your penis hole
bizarroland@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 251d
I must have been sitting on a wellspring of hatred and anger because I recently incorporated more fruits and vegetables into my diet, and even though my heart rate has dropped to less than 55 beats a minute on average, every single thing I see and say and do is full of anger.
I have been cussing more and angry more in the last two days than I have in the year prior to this diet change.
I have a co-worker who takes ADHD meds and it makes his nose runny, and I have visualized myself throttling him to death for his incessant sniffles all fucking day.
aceshigh@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 251d
What did you eat before? I also experience anger and irritation when I stop eating sugar.
bizarroland@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 251d
My diet didn't really change outside of adding additional fruits and vegetables to it and eating a little bit less of whatever else I was eating.
dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 251d
IBS from too much fiber? No, really.
bizarroland@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 251d
I don't see anything in there about increased irritability from a sufficient amount of dietary fiber.
axexrx@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 251d
Fruits are mostly fructose which is a fast acting sugar and can make people hyper (also the culprit for all the tequila makes me crazy claims)
How is your coworker taking his meds? Via insulflation?
bizarroland@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 251d
I have no idea how anybody else takes their meds, especially at work, lol.
gilgameth@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 251d
Then why op used self-destructive account?
Blackfeathr@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 251d
A horde of self deleting spam accounts are swarming this community daily and I don't know why.
Blackfeathr@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 251d
Self deleting spam account.
Mods really need to do something about this.
RalphFurley@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 251d
Former acute agoraphobic here. I spent years unable to leave my driveway due to crippling panic attacks. I wanted to end it all.
It took a long time but I got better. Now I can get on airplanes, overseas travel, etc.
But early on in recovery when I was beginning to function and hold down a part time dishwashing job, I learned that diet and exercise were key.
I lived mostly off fruit and vegetables exclusively and had a simple cardio routine and that really was night and day for ME. Your mileage may vary and everyone is different.
Now the only time I really experience anxiety is when I'm hungover. I have since switched to a Mediterranean diet with some occasional fish, still work out, and it's mostly behind me 20 years later.
fartographer@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 251d
When I eat a shit-ton of watermelon, pineapple, potatoes, my glucose levels skyrocket. I'm sure I could negate my anxiety and depression with a diabetic coma...
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 251d
Anecdotally yeah, switching to a plant focused pescatarian diet was very helpful in my anxiety treatment.
TheTechnician27@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 251d
I ate a ton of fruits and vegetables and was cured of my depression after 1000 kg of produce erupted from my abdomen and killed me instantly.
0tan0d@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 250d
For the northern hemisphere folks citrus is an in season winter fruit.
gergolippai@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 251d
If i eat a lot of fruit i will definitely not suffer from constipation, if you know what i mean.