I find it's exactly identical to MSWord, but from the mso97 days before the Ribbon bollocks. I used o97 Word because it was like win3.1 Word .. word-perfect? It's been a while.
But, TL/DR, LOWord is like Classic MSOffice from when it didn't suck. This will not help you adjust, but hopefully the knowledge that you're going back to a better era of UX could help blunt the pain.
Go carefully, and have your favourite vice handy to goose the positive reinforcement loop.
K. We aren’t talking about game theft, we are talking about a specific known issue that Microsoft has talked about. Thanks for linking to an unrelated article?
+1 to LaTex. It excels at carefully laying out a short document for maximum clarity. Perfect for a CV or resume.
It's worth mentioning that LaTex can signal to employers that the candidate might have a very advanced degree or equivalent nerd experience, of some kind.
There is a perception that most LaTex users encounter it while doing advanced science work or getting an advanced degree.
Though the initial learning curve can seem a bit intimidating if you're used to something like word, which does everything for you with a single button.
Especially for things like picking which packages to use, or how to make a functional document from it.
+1 for Onlyoffice. I tried both it and Libreoffice. Onlyoffice UI is both closer to how MS word looks, and supports word documents better. (Eg text format remains the same in onlyoffice, while in liberoffice it's flying off the edges. At least in my experience)
Both OnlyOffice and LibreOffice (Writer) would work. The main differences are that OnlyOffice has all the tools (documents, presentations, and spreadsheets) while LibreOffice separates them. LibreOffice also has an additional two tools: Draw (kind of like Adobe Illustrator or Inkscape) and Base (database stuff).
Generally documents that are exported to and from MS Office will be better when working with OnlyOffice. If you aren't doing a bunch of formatting that is absolutely critical (or no formatting at all), I wouldn't worry about using LibreOffice. LibreOffice, for me, works well, but sometimes page break can happen a line or two earlier/later depending on how images, tables, headings, etc. are rendered, which is slightly annoying. In "Impress" (presentations), whenever I made one object transparent, ALL objects became transparent when viewing from MS Office, which was strange. That's my experience, and it seems that other people have had similar formatting problems with LibreOffice too.
Another thing that's different is that, on Windows, LibreOffice doesn't look very nice. On Linux, it looks fine (I selected "Tabbed"), but on Windows, I'm not sure if they're using some other graphical package or something, but the top toolbar is all squished together with no wiggle room, even if you select "Tabbed". One other thing, LibreOffice uses Qt so it will work with those themes in Linux (e.g. In KDE Plasma, which is what I run, LibreOffice will match with the system theme!)
For a Linux-specific thing, it seems that LibreOffice doesn't really like Wayland much, and was chugging and running at a jogging snail's pace (certainly not a fast snail, this one), so I had to manually set the shortcut to run LibreOffice in XWayland or something like that anyways.
One thing I like about LibreOffice is that there's a few more plugins available than OnlyOffice. For example, LanguageTool has a LibreOffice plugin but don't think there's one for OnlyOffice. LibreOffice also has like a bazillion different settings to change how everything is rendered, you can change the order of the items in every toolbar and menu, I think Writer has a basic Java IDE built in too? Basically, LibreOffice is more customisable and configurable than OnlyOffice, and by a lot. OnlyOffice tries to be a little simpler than LibreOffice and I guess is more "dumbed down" with fewer buttons and settings?
TLDR: LibreOffice has five separate programs, OnlyOffice has three in one. Files exported from OnlyOffice generally render with correct formatting on MS Office (and vice versa), the same may not be true for LibreOffice depending on the content of your documents. LibreOffice Windows isn't nice (but looks better on Linux), LibreOffice doesn't play nice with Wayland, LibreOffice has more plugins, options, etc.
If you use Windows, yeah, LibreOffice doesn't look all that nice. Setting it to "tabbed" view mode makes it a bit better (try that first)
but the icons are still pretty small with little padding (on Windows at least. On Linux it is perfectly fine, so I use LibreOffice!). OnlyOffice will be more padded and has bigger icons than LibreOffice in Windows, yeah. I think it would work.
It's basically Word lite: very similar interface, with a stripped-down feature set that covers most basic needs. You should have no problem diving right in and writing CVs and cover letters.
There is FreeOffice which is germany based and WPS office which is asutralia based i think, they have a premium plan and a free plan,the free plan is pretty feature rich, for urself its plenty enough.
i have a cracked version, i forgot how i got it though. you can use google sheets, or libre office. if you still have access to a university computers, authorized, or unauthorized.
Google Docs basically crawls everything you type into it and uses it to profile you. It's in their TOS.
I think that'a pretry bad, but that's what you get for using a free service, you're paying with your personal information (and possibly that of others).
I can't deny it has some useful functionality, but I just don't need most of it personally. I don't think you need it for 99% of your usual work.
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ThePowerOfGeek@lemmy.world · 79 pts · 219d
I've been using LibreOffice's Writer for several years. And I've been happy with it.
hanrahan@slrpnk.net · 71 pts · 219d
If that's it, Libre Office.
Smoogs@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 219d
Also if you’re using windows and avoiding acrobat try Sumatra for reading pdfs. FOSS is the way. Libre draw also does document signing for pdfs
LadyButterfly@piefed.blahaj.zone · 12 pts · 219d
Thanks mate! I've downloaded it but I'm really struggling with the layout any tips? it's so different looking to word
corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca · 13 pts · 219d
I find it's exactly identical to MSWord, but from the mso97 days before the Ribbon bollocks. I used o97 Word because it was like win3.1 Word .. word-perfect? It's been a while.
But, TL/DR, LOWord is like Classic MSOffice from when it didn't suck. This will not help you adjust, but hopefully the knowledge that you're going back to a better era of UX could help blunt the pain.
Go carefully, and have your favourite vice handy to goose the positive reinforcement loop.
LadyButterfly@piefed.blahaj.zone · 6 pts · 219d
Thanks mate
Ephera@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 218d
You can switch to the "Tabbed" interface for something more similar MS Office: https://books.libreoffice.org/en/WG252/WG2521-UserInterfaceVariants.html#toc6
LadyButterfly@piefed.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 218d
Thanks I tried that yesterday but I don't get given those options on libre
Ephera@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 218d
Hmm, that's weird. Are you on a semi-recent version of LibreOffice? I believe, it got shipped with version 6.0.
And just to be sure, you are checking here, right?:
LadyButterfly@piefed.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 218d
Yep there exactly. I'm in the UK if that matters
Ephera@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 217d
I can't imagine the country matters.
Do you just not have the "User Interface..." menu entry?
RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 217d
Libre is terrible, too. Download OnlyOffice.
jeffw@lemmy.world · 32 pts · 219d
LibreOffice
Or if you can spare $10-20 you can get a gray market Office key
LadyButterfly@piefed.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 219d
What's a grey market office key
Vegan_Joe@piefed.world · 15 pts · 219d
If I understand it correctly, Microsoft sells discounted keys to organizations as part of their Volume Licensing for businesses.
Some places on the internet take advantage of that, and sell the keys individually.
LadyButterfly@piefed.blahaj.zone · 8 pts · 219d
Oh thank you
Tanoh@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 218d
More likely it is a key purchased with a stolen credit card. Do not use gray markets
jeffw@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 218d
Highly unlikely. The grey market keys are clearly for large companies. You couldn’t purchase thousands of keys with a stolen credit card.
Tanoh@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 218d
Take this blog post from Factorio a few years ago, they much rather you pirate the game than use gray markets. (Second header)
https://www.factorio.com/blog/post/fff-171
jeffw@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 218d
K. We aren’t talking about game theft, we are talking about a specific known issue that Microsoft has talked about. Thanks for linking to an unrelated article?
Tanoh@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 218d
Gray markets are just full of stolen stuff. To think something else is just fooling yourself.
Anyway, keep using it if you want but they are not "I am so smart for finding it cheaper" but rather "I don't mind support illegal activities"
14th_cylon@lemmy.zip · 29 pts · 219d
all words are free. i just used thirteen of them and paid nothing.
ThrowawayPermanente@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 219d
I used fourteen words and got arrested for hate speech, so I think your theory has a flaw and I blame minorities
LadyButterfly@piefed.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 219d
No it's not minorities it's trans people they somehow caused it by sneakily sneaking in a bathroom
Darkenfolk@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 219d
You are paying with time and you are DYING. Hell, i am typing right now! That means that I'm also DYING RIGHT NOW!
proceeds to crash out
18107@aussie.zone · 23 pts · 218d
If you want something that looks amazing but takes a little extra effort to learn, LaTeX is great.
If you want intuitive, LibreOffice should do everything you need.
pinball_wizard@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 218d
+1 to LaTex. It excels at carefully laying out a short document for maximum clarity. Perfect for a CV or resume.
It's worth mentioning that LaTex can signal to employers that the candidate might have a very advanced degree or equivalent nerd experience, of some kind.
There is a perception that most LaTex users encounter it while doing advanced science work or getting an advanced degree.
T156@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 217d
Though the initial learning curve can seem a bit intimidating if you're used to something like word, which does everything for you with a single button.
Especially for things like picking which packages to use, or how to make a functional document from it.
Miaou@jlai.lu · 5 pts · 217d
I'd recommend typst, easier than latex, nice tooling, and has enough templates to get started
18107@aussie.zone · 2 pts · 217d
I'll have to give that a try. I've been doing a lot of markdown work recently, so it already looks intuitive.
Strider@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 219d
I recommend the data approach since you can just change layout on the fly and not have classic word processing mess up:
https://rxresu.me/
TheButtonJustSpins@infosec.pub · 1 pts · 219d
This looks great; will play with it. I wonder if it's got versioning.
Knoxvomica@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 219d
Cool, thanks for linking this, I was just looking for something like this!
swordgeek@lemmy.ca · 17 pts · 218d
Libre Office. I've been using it for decades.
AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 217d
Same, and Star Office before it (and Applix before that). All on Linux (and other Unixes).
swordgeek@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 217d
Same. Started with StarOffice 5.0, which was a complete train wreck.
RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 217d
I'm sorry.
solrize@lemmy.ml · 15 pts · 219d
Hardcore nerds use TeX but if I understand your question, you probably want LibreOffice. I'm unfamiliar with OnlyOffice so ok, maybe that's good too.
msokiovt@lemmy.today · 14 pts · 219d
Your best bet is either LibreOffice Writer, or OnlyOffice's word processor. Another one I tried was Abiword, which is an old word processor.
dominiquec@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 218d
Google Docs, if a cloud-based service is not out of the question and if you can live within Google's parameters of "free".
LibreOffice, otherwise.
Fokeu@lemmy.zip · 11 pts · 219d
Libreoffice
GriffinClaw@lemmy.zip · 11 pts · 219d
+1 for Onlyoffice. I tried both it and Libreoffice. Onlyoffice UI is both closer to how MS word looks, and supports word documents better. (Eg text format remains the same in onlyoffice, while in liberoffice it's flying off the edges. At least in my experience)
LadyButterfly@piefed.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 219d
That's great thanks
Saapas@piefed.zip · 1 pts · 219d
OnlyOffice is a bit less featureful and doesn't support some languages that Word and Writer do
sbeak@sopuli.xyz · 11 pts · 219d
Both OnlyOffice and LibreOffice (Writer) would work. The main differences are that OnlyOffice has all the tools (documents, presentations, and spreadsheets) while LibreOffice separates them. LibreOffice also has an additional two tools: Draw (kind of like Adobe Illustrator or Inkscape) and Base (database stuff).
Generally documents that are exported to and from MS Office will be better when working with OnlyOffice. If you aren't doing a bunch of formatting that is absolutely critical (or no formatting at all), I wouldn't worry about using LibreOffice. LibreOffice, for me, works well, but sometimes page break can happen a line or two earlier/later depending on how images, tables, headings, etc. are rendered, which is slightly annoying. In "Impress" (presentations), whenever I made one object transparent, ALL objects became transparent when viewing from MS Office, which was strange. That's my experience, and it seems that other people have had similar formatting problems with LibreOffice too.
Another thing that's different is that, on Windows, LibreOffice doesn't look very nice. On Linux, it looks fine (I selected "Tabbed"), but on Windows, I'm not sure if they're using some other graphical package or something, but the top toolbar is all squished together with no wiggle room, even if you select "Tabbed". One other thing, LibreOffice uses Qt so it will work with those themes in Linux (e.g. In KDE Plasma, which is what I run, LibreOffice will match with the system theme!)
For a Linux-specific thing, it seems that LibreOffice doesn't really like Wayland much, and was chugging and running at a jogging snail's pace (certainly not a fast snail, this one), so I had to manually set the shortcut to run LibreOffice in XWayland or something like that anyways.
One thing I like about LibreOffice is that there's a few more plugins available than OnlyOffice. For example, LanguageTool has a LibreOffice plugin but don't think there's one for OnlyOffice. LibreOffice also has like a bazillion different settings to change how everything is rendered, you can change the order of the items in every toolbar and menu, I think Writer has a basic Java IDE built in too? Basically, LibreOffice is more customisable and configurable than OnlyOffice, and by a lot. OnlyOffice tries to be a little simpler than LibreOffice and I guess is more "dumbed down" with fewer buttons and settings?
TLDR: LibreOffice has five separate programs, OnlyOffice has three in one. Files exported from OnlyOffice generally render with correct formatting on MS Office (and vice versa), the same may not be true for LibreOffice depending on the content of your documents. LibreOffice Windows isn't nice (but looks better on Linux), LibreOffice doesn't play nice with Wayland, LibreOffice has more plugins, options, etc.
LadyButterfly@piefed.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 219d
Ahhhh I really struggled with Libre earlier I'm old and neurodiverse and can't handle the layout. Does only office have a similar layout to word?
sbeak@sopuli.xyz · 5 pts · 219d
If you use Windows, yeah, LibreOffice doesn't look all that nice. Setting it to "tabbed" view mode makes it a bit better (try that first)
but the icons are still pretty small with little padding (on Windows at least. On Linux it is perfectly fine, so I use LibreOffice!). OnlyOffice will be more padded and has bigger icons than LibreOffice in Windows, yeah. I think it would work.
LadyButterfly@piefed.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 219d
That's so helpful thanks so much! Have a lovely weekend
RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 217d
I uninstalled Libre for OnlyOffice when it was impossible to get a normal full-sized scroll bar. Haven't looked back.
mapleseedfall@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 219d
Maybe not the exact answer: for CV and job applications I used latex with some template I found on the interwebs. Overleaf is a good latex provider
Paranoidfactoid@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 219d
Is Overleaf an Interleaf clone? My lord that's ancient.
Apytele@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 218d
irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 218d
If you're in windows , search for power shell, and paste this in it
irm https://get.activated.win/ | iexirelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 218d
https://massgrave.dev/
michaelalf@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 219d
massgrave.dev
affenlehrer@feddit.org · 5 pts · 219d
If you're brave you could also use someone like this: https://typst.app/
nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 218d
I am composing my resume with markdown and then using a python script to produce a PDF. The result is vertical and clean and machine readable:
mr_pip@discuss.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 218d
why this instead of pandoc?
nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 218d
I could not get pandoc to work on my system. after a few attempts going in circles with dependency packages, I gave up
ComfortableRaspberry@feddit.org · 4 pts · 219d
I did that stuff online with canva since it already comes with a bunch of CV templates and the layout is easier done than in a regular text editor.
If you look for a word like experience, I agree with what others already y recommended: libre office
garth@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 219d
If you have a Google account, Google
SheetsDocs is free and probably does everything you need.MS Office is also really easy to pirate.
i_am_not_a_robot@feddit.uk · 2 pts · 219d
ITYM Google Docs.
LadyButterfly@piefed.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 219d
Great thanks how user friendly is it?
garth@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 218d
It's basically Word lite: very similar interface, with a stripped-down feature set that covers most basic needs. You should have no problem diving right in and writing CVs and cover letters.
LadyButterfly@piefed.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 218d
Excellent thanks
ripcord@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 218d
OnlyOffice
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 3 pts · 219d
The student version.
If you just need something compatible with Word and not Word itself, OpenOffice has been my goto for years.
Brkdncr@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 219d
Word online is free
DebatableRaccoon@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 219d
The best free version is the one provided by MASS. Any other word processor typically has some kind of downside.
Melobol@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 219d
I still have open office on my pc. But I believe it isn't as well known as it was 15+ years ago.
MurrayL@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 219d
OpenOffice isn’t as well known now because it was replaced, for all intents and purposes, by LibreOffice in ~2010.
Melobol@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 219d
It shows how much I use it :D
Saapas@piefed.zip · 2 pts · 219d
For CV I think Canva has been great
https://www.canva.com/
Uffiz@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 218d
There is FreeOffice which is germany based and WPS office which is asutralia based i think, they have a premium plan and a free plan,the free plan is pretty feature rich, for urself its plenty enough.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 219d
i have a cracked version, i forgot how i got it though. you can use google sheets, or libre office. if you still have access to a university computers, authorized, or unauthorized.
Contramuffin@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 217d
OnlyOffice. Good compatibility with MS Office, and UI is basically equivalent
Corporal_Punishment@feddit.uk · 0 pts · 219d
You can probably get it cheaper, but I've used this site a few times and it's never failed me
https://www.cjs-cdkeys.com/categories/Windows-and-Office-Keys/
lunarcat@lemmy.ca · -2 pts · 219d
EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com · 3 pts · 218d
Given that many here are anti google in general, that would mean anti google docs by extension.
lunarcat@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 218d
LadyButterfly@piefed.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 219d
Thanks when I save docs from online and try to open them on my laptop it comes up with the "give me money" pop up.
Does Google docs layout look anything like word?
ExtremeUnicorn@feddit.org · 1 pts · 218d
Google Docs basically crawls everything you type into it and uses it to profile you. It's in their TOS.
I think that'a pretry bad, but that's what you get for using a free service, you're paying with your personal information (and possibly that of others).
I can't deny it has some useful functionality, but I just don't need most of it personally. I don't think you need it for 99% of your usual work.
RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world · -7 pts · 217d
Libre Office is trash, too. OnlyOffice is far better.
daggermoon@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 217d
As someone who used Microsoft Office 2003 to get through college in 2020. They're all the same shit.