I fucking hate that no matter what happens, everything involving trans people somehow comes back to harm us. This is why they've been screaming "protect the children", because the only way they can visualize trans children is as sex slaves. These people do not belong in civilized society
Enslaving people is basically normal capitalism, sex slave children is just a natural extension. And may I say it's a blessing that this platform let's me say that.
Agreed, I already know Trump was frequently mentioned and Epstein's buddy for 20 years, and I still want a source for this.
If it was true, I think the Democrats would have released the files long ago.
Of course, Clinton was also friends with Trump for years. but for 50 mentions vs. 38K, it seems like it would be worth the reveal to them.
On other hand, the Royal Family is also working hard to subvert these revelations, and God knows how many billionaire "donators" to bOtH pArTiEs... this is big, biggest political story of any of our lifetimes in my opinion
A Norwegian trans male->female was mentioned by name. Not that she was involved with anything, but Epstein had mentioned her name in some communication. It made a small news notice in the Norwegian news outlets.
C'mon now! That needs updated to that text directly lol. I can't be arsed, you clearly can't either, what a mess! The pedos win the (sneak-don't-)snitch match again.
Because he's so insecure he desperately wants to be in the "In" group. And he probably got ghosted because he's the kind of guy who'd go around bragging how he's in the Epsteins pedo cabal
To be fair Epstein did talk about forcing transition on young boys and raising them as sex slaves. And he was 100% a chaser which came up many times. But trans people were never mentioned as perpetrators of abuse only as victims.
Yup, the “democrats are forcibly transitioning your kids” conspiracy theories that conservatives parrot has 100% been coming from the fact that the billionaires wanted to do exactly that. They wanted to forcibly transition children to keep as sex slaves.
There are multiple documents in the files confirming this… They even go on to justify it by saying that they’d be doing the children a service, because it would allow them to make more money as prostitutes or porn stars after they’re too old for Epstein’s clients.
There’s a weird branch of conservatism that is really into forced feminization as a kink. That’s why trans women are vilified, but femboys are somehow okay with many conservatives. To the conservatives who are into forced feminization, the femboy is just playing into that kink, and they can tell themselves that it’s forced. They don’t see it as gay, (which would be wrong, as conservatives hate the evil gays), because it’s forcing someone to be feminine instead. But trans women take it too far for those conservatives, because it removes the “I’m forcing them to do this by being more masculine” power dynamic that they enjoy with forced feminization. With trans women, it’s very clearly something that they’re doing to themselves, not something that is being forced upon them.
But with the billionaires, that latter part isn’t a problem. They literally could force kids to be trans. So it just plays even harder into the forced feminization kink that so many conservatives have… It’s the natural end stage of the kink for them. Trans girls don’t break their illusion of power, because the power is not an illusion when you’re that rich.
Holy shit, you put into words what I've been feeling but haven't quite been able to put my finger on, like something hiding in the periphery even if you try to look at it.
I'm simultaneously relieved to finally have it out in the open, and disgusted to see it written so plainly. All these people should go Mario Kart with Luigi.
Eh, actually trans people ARE mentioned but like, in a creepy ass way talking about how to DO things to them. Like. Its disturbing. No trans person is IMPLICATED in the files however.
This is wrong. Epstein had an email discussing MTF porn and noting the lack of FTM porn out there and considers grooming young boys to be transition to become a new product category for him.
I opened car radio few days ago and fox news was arguing Biden is worse than Epstein because "He let bunch of people in and immigrants' crimes hurt the kids on a larger scale."
When people says both sides, it is referring to both of them serve capitalistic interests over the general populace. Of course one side is much more blatant to be a fascist than the other.
There's something interesting to note in this comment, but first I'd like to ask you if there's a country in the world right now you would point to that is doing a better job?
also if a politican on the left is involed in shit, his voters demand an explanatiom from him and if it's not good they will drop him and demand a trial. trumpist on the other hand now despreratly try to rationalize child rape ...
I'm sorry, but that's naive. There are some pedos that are only in it for themselves, and only present a danger to the children within arms reach, but there are many more who are selling their own children as well as the children of others and are actively involved in trades/sales with other pedos, as well as being involved with and protected by various forms of organized crime in their own areas.
There are pedos who adopt for the purpose of selling (prostituting) the child, for example, and even more who operate out of group homes. There are also subcategories of pedos: for example, you have pedos that want Alice-in-Wonderland lookalikes and you have sadist pedos that want to be able to punch and cut while they rape. For every adult kink, there is a pedo kink, and more.
The lone pedo doing it in the home for his own gratification is just the tip of the iceberg, but many more operate in groups and they'd very much like for you to carry on believing that they do not exist. This is trafficking. It happens everywhere. It is not rare.
What being rich does for pedos like Epstein and Trump, the local group does for the "poor" pedos, but it's the exact same thing.
Pedophiles? Victims or people in need of treatment.
Pedocriminals? Perpetrators, and society needs to be protected from them, but still in need of treatment.
There's a huge difference about the way the media is reporting the horrific information uncovered in these files.
Independent media, who are having to read the files themselves and view the images and the videos, you can just see that they are damaged by that information because it's so disturbing. And the vast amount of it is so overwhelming. You can see that they're upset by it.
But when you watch the mainstream media, the "Reporters" aren't really directly reading or viewing any of the file information. They're just getting a summary from somebody else in their organization who's reading it for them. And so they can report it very disinterested. They're actually downplaying it. It makes you think they seem more professional, but it's just because reporters in the mainstream media are not actually looking at all this awful stuff, and if they did, I think they would be reporting it much more accurately as the devastating and horrible thing it really is.
Yes. For example, I read in The Guardian (see #6) that Richard Branson was mentioned, but they only really talked about one line of one email and how he did not have anything to do with Epstein's real activity or knowledge of it, etc.
Then I saw the full content of the email where Richard Branson was offering Epstein direct advice on how to rehabilitate his public image after finishing his sentence:
Dear Jeffrey,
It was really nice seeing you yesterday. The boys in Watersports can't stop speaking about it! Any time you're in the area would love to see you. As long as you bring your harem!
I think if Bill Gates was willing to say that you've been a brilliant advisor to him, that you slipped up many years ago by sleeping with a 17 1/2 year old woman and were punished for it, that you've more than learnt your lesson and have done nothing that's against the law since and, yes, as a single man you seem to have a penchant for women. But there's nothing wrong with that. Anyway something along those lines.
It's such a disparity between the reporting and the reality I don't think it can legitimately be called reporting.
And it appears the incriminating stuff is all redacted anyway. There is nothing reported yet about actual rapes of underage girls even though that's what this was all about. Using protecting the girls' identities and active investigatioins as an excuse they just cut the entire evidence of the rapes out of the material it appears.
So the media has an easy out, just reporting on who talked to epstein, who went to a party, and nothing of the details of these rapes, even as those details wouldn't identify anyone to any person that doesn't already know about it.
We need an independent monitor to decide what to release or not. If only we could leak the files, news organizations could decide what to redact, I would trust a number of them keeping each other honest far more than the government.
Bill Gates asking Epstein for antibiotics he can slip to his wife without her knowing because he got STDs while on the island should really be a bigger story, even from a popculture gossip standpoint.
I totally forgot about about that, what was it syphilis? Probably had something to do with his divorce I imagine. Giving your wife underage human trafficking syphilis Seems like a real last straw.
He was a dealer that was getting high on his own supply.
Corrections : I don't want to sugar coat this by suggesting he was doing something as innocuous as peddling drugs. He's a human-trafficking child rapist who gets off on raping children and then threatening to kill them and their family.
Supplier. In addition to reports of teenage female staff members being "sold" to JE, don't forget that Trump owned the Miss Teen USA pageant for almost 20 years, up to 2015.
The bottom ones are not hyperbolae, they are "found evidence in the files released." With the current administration I think it's safe to assume if a transperson or drag queen were in them they would've been unredacted and released as early as possible to distract from the rest of it, let alone all the people also combing what was released.
It is the characteristic of privilege and of every privileged position to kill the heart and mind of men. The privileged man, whether politically or economically, is a man depraved in mind and heart. That is a social law which admits no exception, and is as applicable to entire nations as to classes, corporations and individuals.
According to the Google, and I'm not going to search further despite knowing it's unreliable, the number for Bill Clinton is about 50 times. Just because the OP didn't mention him, and also because that's rookie numbers. Even when you include Trump sucking Bubba's dick.
The truth is Trump and Epstein did have a falling out. It wasn't because Trump disapproved of what he did. It is because he was in competition with Epstein.
Trump is a human trafficking chomo who didn't want Epstein in on his child molesting/blackmail/influence operation.
I think there's a bunch of celebs that are in there and are lying low or just waiting for their names to appear in the news. Right now, the cameras are all on the big names.
Epstein gathered the rich and powerful, and celebs are next.
So the Italian film, "Saló or the 120 Days of Sodom", turns out to be correct about the fascists, even if the director, Pier Paolo Pasolini, said it was a metaphor. He was believed to have been killed by fascists because of the director's anti-fascism.
I wish I could upvote this a hundred times. Saló is a genuinely horrific movie, but what Pasolini intended to do with it and why is beyond reproach. I too believe that's why he was killed, to the point I don't think there's really any doubt anymore.
Bad example. Look into the consequences of the Panama Papers. Not enough? Sure. But not nothing. And don't do something silly like switching example to hair spray gel usage to protect ozone layer as well.
Actually.... :/ there are a lot of ties to 4chan in them. m00t I guess had a meeting with Epstein. Ghislaine was also often on /pol, there's also suspicion that she was a mod. The word "pizza" is constantly used in the files, and it seems obvious that it was a code for something. And I've even heard theories that Q was actually Epstein.
What information do we have on Thiel and Epstein, like he partied with him, did he exchange texts that weren't completely redacted?
What pisses me off is we haven't heard any of the incriminating anything, and it's because the Justice Department redacted it all. Can we not sue the administration to get an independent monitor to decide what to release? What about if we got Congress to give the entire thing to a specific group to decide what to release?
Other than that, we need to work with the victim groups, and put investigators and authors at their disposal, to be able to run down leads on their memories, and do our own investigations to get to the bottom of what we can.
What bothers me is that we actually have people willing to do that stuff. Means they are morally bankrupt enough to cover this stuff up without a thought.
Right but those thousands of Trump mentions were Epstein himself saying “why won’t Mr. Trump answer my invitations to the island?” and brainstorming with Elon Musk “how can we get Mr. Trump to come visit the island?” /s
So there was that post going around summarizing what someone saw while working on Epstein Island. Part of the post cites walking in on someone wearing a bull mask raping one of their "co-workers". This person had a tattoo of Nixon.
Haha. That reminds me. Didn't he threaten to sue someone over Twitter for saying folks in the Epstein files should be in jail, and then people were like... nobody even tagged you in this... what the fuck?
I have a question, and maybe this isn't the right place for it, but why do the files name the bad guys so often? Like, they had these files themselves for so long, why release the bad files? Why not just release clean ones and claim that's all of them? Why not release files with Obama, Bob Ross, Mr Rogers, and Geordi from Star Trek in them? Not LeVar but the character himself.
Is there some, like, published hash or something? Some set of receipts that tell us that these are even the files, or how many there might have been at one point or another? I'm not saying the ones we've seen are forged... I think I'm asking why aren't they?
Right but like, we don't know how many documents there were. Why wouldn't they release less and tell us that's all of them? Is it just that they put their collective foot in their mouth by telling us about how many great documents they had before they realized they were going to have to give them to us?
IMHO, the scale is too large for a cover up like that. There's too many individuals, companies (many of these email addresses are gmail, yahoo... private email servers) and foreign governments involved.
Many of these emails are in an evidence room already from the 2008 (edit: I guess I'm assuming here for 2008) and 2019 court cases. If you mess with them too much, just for example, some random federal or state level DOJ employee could leak stuff, personal risk be damned. Or, another example, some foreign government might decide causing societal chaos in the USA is worth more than protecting Lord Toucheskids and release what they have.
The only reason they're releasing anything at all is because they have to maintain the illusion of a working DOJ and congress. Too much of the American public is truly mad about this stuff to just ignore an act of congress about it. They released the files in the most optimum way for their goals IMHO: literally everything, an unorganized firehose full of duplicates, random redactions, and a few FBI tip-line interviews that are provably untrue, along with the true ones, and the indeterminate. It'll take forever to sort through it all, and Trump/others implicated are banking on it.
Okay, so you're saying the reason is because chunks of the evidence already exist in other places, so if they didn't publish the documents "properly", there actually might be another source that can be shown to contradict them? I can accept that.
Making this about race, or even age, is how you lose elections.
It's all about wealth AKA power. You don't get to be absurdly wealthy or powerful by being an empathetic person who worries about how your actions impact others. So while not all powerful people are down for an Epstein visit or a Diddy party, they're almost all down to look the other way.
Relying on elections is how you give away all of your political power to the wealthy class. Both parties represent the rich, we need to be organizing grassroots networks that can take political power, not ask for it.
Where did I tell people not to vote? I’m saying that if voting is the only political action you take, you are declining to have a significant impact on politics. Voting is the least effective political action you can take, but it’s still political action.
Bill Gates actually isn't that rich now, because he gave very generous donations to charities. I still consider him a pretty good guy, but not as bad as Musty Musky. I don't know everything he's done, good or bad, but him not keeping his money to himself and using it to make rockets and houses on Mars makes him a better man then most of the people in the 'Files.
I agree with you on that. He did give generously, and that is a good thing
I still consider him a pretty good guy
But I don't think I can agree here. I will reserve full judgement for an investigation, but between the details in the document, and the things Melinda has hinted at, it seems like he did some heinous things
Technically, Elon Musk normalized electric cars and charger stations, in a tightly closed industry where gasoline was the only choice. Skylink also provided a lot of internet to many areas where other Internet companies refused to go or invest in.
Bill Cosby showed America that Black families weren't any different than everybody else. His contributions to the black community, and his work with youth, made a lot of black people who they are today.
Adolf Hitler united Germany after the embarrassment of WW1... I'm not going to highlight all the other shit.
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you_are_dust@lemmy.world · 110 pts · 193d
That's not true. Trans people are mentioned. Not by name, but rather how to design perfect sex slaves by transitioning people.
Witchfire@lemmy.world · 56 pts · 193d
I fucking hate that no matter what happens, everything involving trans people somehow comes back to harm us. This is why they've been screaming "protect the children", because the only way they can visualize trans children is as sex slaves. These people do not belong in civilized society
MalReynolds@slrpnk.net · 22 pts · 193d
Enslaving people is basically normal capitalism, sex slave children is just a natural extension. And may I say it's a blessing that this platform let's me say that.
chaogomu@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 193d
I believe the context was more forcibly transitioning children.
bobs_monkey@lemmy.zip · 12 pts · 193d
Wait, seriously?
Berengaria_of_Navarre@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 193d
We live in terrible and stupid times.
Calfpupa@lemmy.ml · 9 pts · 193d
I feel silly saying this, but linked source please?
you_are_dust@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 193d
It was an email that was posted yesterday or maybe before that. I'll see if I can find it.
betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world · 41 pts · 193d
https://lemmy.world/post/42650807
Yankee_Self_Loader@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 193d
Well that’s enough internet for one day
you_are_dust@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 193d
You got it. You're a superstar. I was looking and having trouble finding it myself because there's 10 million Epstein posts.
curbstickle@anarchist.nexus · 11 pts · 193d
Its a good thing to have read it and be aware of it.
At the same time I wish I had never read that.
Just fucking monsters.
Calfpupa@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 193d
🤢 I almost regret asking, thank you for providing
Lumelore@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 11 pts · 193d
I know someone already showed a screenshot but I also want to mention it is file EFTA01013384 if you want to search for it in the Epstein Library.
Calfpupa@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 193d
Thanks for the direct link!
Mulligrubs@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 193d
Agreed, I already know Trump was frequently mentioned and Epstein's buddy for 20 years, and I still want a source for this.
If it was true, I think the Democrats would have released the files long ago.
Of course, Clinton was also friends with Trump for years. but for 50 mentions vs. 38K, it seems like it would be worth the reveal to them.
On other hand, the Royal Family is also working hard to subvert these revelations, and God knows how many billionaire "donators" to bOtH pArTiEs... this is big, biggest political story of any of our lifetimes in my opinion
OddMinus1@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 193d
A Norwegian trans male->female was mentioned by name. Not that she was involved with anything, but Epstein had mentioned her name in some communication. It made a small news notice in the Norwegian news outlets.
https://www.nrk.no/nyheter/emma-ellingsen-nevnt-i-epstein-dokumentene--1.17756069
SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 6 pts · 192d
Specifically they were sexualizing and objectifying her, and she was 17 at the time
WanderWisley@lemmy.world · 91 pts · 193d
Trumps name appears in the Epstein files more then Harry Potters names appears in all 7 Harry Potter books.
PolarKraken@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 9 pts · 193d
Gatdamn.
WanderWisley@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 193d
Your a pedo Donny!
PolarKraken@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 193d
C'mon now! That needs updated to that text directly lol. I can't be arsed, you clearly can't either, what a mess! The pedos win the (sneak-don't-)snitch match again.
ComfortableRaspberry@feddit.org · 68 pts · 193d
Musk being ghosted and still in the top 5 of this list is hilarious.
Berengaria_of_Navarre@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 193d
Desperately wants to hang out with the deranged old cringey pedophiles.
To cringey to hang out with the deranged old cringey pedophiles.
Goodeye8@piefed.social · 9 pts · 193d
Because he's so insecure he desperately wants to be in the "In" group. And he probably got ghosted because he's the kind of guy who'd go around bragging how he's in the Epsteins pedo cabal
Berengaria_of_Navarre@lemmy.world · 62 pts · 193d
To be fair Epstein did talk about forcing transition on young boys and raising them as sex slaves. And he was 100% a chaser which came up many times. But trans people were never mentioned as perpetrators of abuse only as victims.
Quill7513@slrpnk.net · 33 pts · 193d
just like trans people been saying for decades
Berengaria_of_Navarre@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 193d
Yes, we have.
Mic_Check_One_Two@reddthat.com · 27 pts · 193d
Yup, the “democrats are forcibly transitioning your kids” conspiracy theories that conservatives parrot has 100% been coming from the fact that the billionaires wanted to do exactly that. They wanted to forcibly transition children to keep as sex slaves.
There are multiple documents in the files confirming this… They even go on to justify it by saying that they’d be doing the children a service, because it would allow them to make more money as prostitutes or porn stars after they’re too old for Epstein’s clients.
There’s a weird branch of conservatism that is really into forced feminization as a kink. That’s why trans women are vilified, but femboys are somehow okay with many conservatives. To the conservatives who are into forced feminization, the femboy is just playing into that kink, and they can tell themselves that it’s forced. They don’t see it as gay, (which would be wrong, as conservatives hate the evil gays), because it’s forcing someone to be feminine instead. But trans women take it too far for those conservatives, because it removes the “I’m forcing them to do this by being more masculine” power dynamic that they enjoy with forced feminization. With trans women, it’s very clearly something that they’re doing to themselves, not something that is being forced upon them.
But with the billionaires, that latter part isn’t a problem. They literally could force kids to be trans. So it just plays even harder into the forced feminization kink that so many conservatives have… It’s the natural end stage of the kink for them. Trans girls don’t break their illusion of power, because the power is not an illusion when you’re that rich.
Dojan@pawb.social · 4 pts · 193d
Holy shit, you put into words what I've been feeling but haven't quite been able to put my finger on, like something hiding in the periphery even if you try to look at it.
I'm simultaneously relieved to finally have it out in the open, and disgusted to see it written so plainly. All these people should go Mario Kart with Luigi.
takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 192d
He needed to have services for Thiel.
razzazzika@lemmy.zip · 54 pts · 193d
Eh, actually trans people ARE mentioned but like, in a creepy ass way talking about how to DO things to them. Like. Its disturbing. No trans person is IMPLICATED in the files however.
Focal@pawb.social · 24 pts · 193d
Came here to say this exact thing. Just goes to show it's always a liiiiittle worse than you'd expect with these files
glimse@lemmy.world · 48 pts · 193d
This is wrong. Epstein had an email discussing MTF porn and noting the lack of FTM porn out there and considers grooming young boys to be transition to become a new product category for him.
This is not a joke, by the way.
LePoisson@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 193d
I'm gonna need a source for that because whatthefuck
glimse@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 193d
Forgive me but I don't feel like rereading it lol
It was on that community cataloging a posting a bunch of the emails (with links)
ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 193d
@betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world posted the link elsewhere in this thread:
https://lemmy.world/post/42650807
TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 193d
Do you really want to find out?
Mohamed@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 193d
Yep I remember seeing this too. You can probably quickly find it in jmail.
lennybird@lemmy.world · 41 pts · 193d
But mUh bOth sIdEs amirite.
Jankatarch@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 193d
I opened car radio few days ago and fox news was arguing Biden is worse than Epstein because "He let bunch of people in and immigrants' crimes hurt the kids on a larger scale."
bountygiver@lemmy.ml · 14 pts · 193d
When people says both sides, it is referring to both of them serve capitalistic interests over the general populace. Of course one side is much more blatant to be a fascist than the other.
lennybird@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 192d
There's something interesting to note in this comment, but first I'd like to ask you if there's a country in the world right now you would point to that is doing a better job?
Edit: Well now. That's telling.
Matombo@feddit.org · 5 pts · 192d
also if a politican on the left is involed in shit, his voters demand an explanatiom from him and if it's not good they will drop him and demand a trial. trumpist on the other hand now despreratly try to rationalize child rape ...
Taldan@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 192d
If Bernie was implicated, I think it would break any trust I could ever have for a politician again
bobs_monkey@lemmy.zip · 31 pts · 193d
So, can we hunt pedos yet? Like a reverse most dangerous game?
Insekticus@aussie.zone · 1 pts · 193d
Only the rich. Multimillionaires and higher. Anyone under that is basically a victim of the system too
Th3D3k0y@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 193d
Wait, poor pedos are the victims?
zbyte64@awful.systems · 15 pts · 193d
Poor pedos don't blackmail powerful people into getting out of jail, so the justice system is usually enough in those cases.
ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 193d
I'm sorry, but that's naive. There are some pedos that are only in it for themselves, and only present a danger to the children within arms reach, but there are many more who are selling their own children as well as the children of others and are actively involved in trades/sales with other pedos, as well as being involved with and protected by various forms of organized crime in their own areas.
There are pedos who adopt for the purpose of selling (prostituting) the child, for example, and even more who operate out of group homes. There are also subcategories of pedos: for example, you have pedos that want Alice-in-Wonderland lookalikes and you have sadist pedos that want to be able to punch and cut while they rape. For every adult kink, there is a pedo kink, and more.
The lone pedo doing it in the home for his own gratification is just the tip of the iceberg, but many more operate in groups and they'd very much like for you to carry on believing that they do not exist. This is trafficking. It happens everywhere. It is not rare.
What being rich does for pedos like Epstein and Trump, the local group does for the "poor" pedos, but it's the exact same thing.
And the justice system doesn't do jack shit.
raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 193d
Pedophiles? Victims or people in need of treatment. Pedocriminals? Perpetrators, and society needs to be protected from them, but still in need of treatment.
bobs_monkey@lemmy.zip · 9 pts · 193d
Nah fuck that, rich people are just worth more points
bluegreenpurplepink@lemmy.world · 29 pts · 193d
There's a huge difference about the way the media is reporting the horrific information uncovered in these files.
Independent media, who are having to read the files themselves and view the images and the videos, you can just see that they are damaged by that information because it's so disturbing. And the vast amount of it is so overwhelming. You can see that they're upset by it.
But when you watch the mainstream media, the "Reporters" aren't really directly reading or viewing any of the file information. They're just getting a summary from somebody else in their organization who's reading it for them. And so they can report it very disinterested. They're actually downplaying it. It makes you think they seem more professional, but it's just because reporters in the mainstream media are not actually looking at all this awful stuff, and if they did, I think they would be reporting it much more accurately as the devastating and horrible thing it really is.
ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 193d
Yes. For example, I read in The Guardian (see #6) that Richard Branson was mentioned, but they only really talked about one line of one email and how he did not have anything to do with Epstein's real activity or knowledge of it, etc.
Then I saw the full content of the email where Richard Branson was offering Epstein direct advice on how to rehabilitate his public image after finishing his sentence:
It's such a disparity between the reporting and the reality I don't think it can legitimately be called reporting.
EDITED to add links and correct myself
hector@lemmy.today · 9 pts · 193d
And it appears the incriminating stuff is all redacted anyway. There is nothing reported yet about actual rapes of underage girls even though that's what this was all about. Using protecting the girls' identities and active investigatioins as an excuse they just cut the entire evidence of the rapes out of the material it appears.
So the media has an easy out, just reporting on who talked to epstein, who went to a party, and nothing of the details of these rapes, even as those details wouldn't identify anyone to any person that doesn't already know about it.
We need an independent monitor to decide what to release or not. If only we could leak the files, news organizations could decide what to redact, I would trust a number of them keeping each other honest far more than the government.
zbyte64@awful.systems · 14 pts · 193d
Bill Gates asking Epstein for antibiotics he can slip to his wife without her knowing because he got STDs while on the island should really be a bigger story, even from a popculture gossip standpoint.
hector@lemmy.today · 8 pts · 193d
I totally forgot about about that, what was it syphilis? Probably had something to do with his divorce I imagine. Giving your wife underage human trafficking syphilis Seems like a real last straw.
bcgm3@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 193d
Don't know, but just adding that gonorrhea is also a bacterial STI which can be cured with antibiotics.
leftzero@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 20 pts · 192d
Trump wasn't a client, was he? He was a full blown accomplice, judging by the overwhelming amount of times he's mentioned...
Bytemeister@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 192d
He was a dealer that was getting high on his own supply.
Corrections : I don't want to sugar coat this by suggesting he was doing something as innocuous as peddling drugs. He's a human-trafficking child rapist who gets off on raping children and then threatening to kill them and their family.
GreenShimada@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 191d
Supplier. In addition to reports of teenage female staff members being "sold" to JE, don't forget that Trump owned the Miss Teen USA pageant for almost 20 years, up to 2015.
https://www.politifact.com/article/2016/oct/18/allegations-about-donald-trump-and-miss-teen-usa-c/
Gladaed@feddit.org · 18 pts · 193d
Literally incorrect. The were some chasers salivating over trans woman in those emails. I.e. it is worse.
officermike@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 193d
Anyone know if these numbers are legitimate or just hyperbole?
LodeMike@lemmy.today · 13 pts · 193d
The bottom ones are hyperbole. I'm sure a drag queen is mentioned somewhere, but the top ones are probably just taken from the search tool directly
LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 193d
What counts as a drag queen, because I remember pictures of Trump motorboating Giuliani dressed in drag, and they are both in the files.
Calfpupa@lemmy.ml · 8 pts · 193d
The bottom ones are not hyperbolae, they are "found evidence in the files released." With the current administration I think it's safe to assume if a transperson or drag queen were in them they would've been unredacted and released as early as possible to distract from the rest of it, let alone all the people also combing what was released.
Witchfire@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 193d
How many Republicans do you think are secretly crossdressers
LodeMike@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 193d
3
f314@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 193d
– Mikhail Bakunin
Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works · 16 pts · 193d
According to the Google, and I'm not going to search further despite knowing it's unreliable, the number for Bill Clinton is about 50 times. Just because the OP didn't mention him, and also because that's rookie numbers. Even when you include Trump sucking Bubba's dick.
Doomsider@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 193d
The truth is Trump and Epstein did have a falling out. It wasn't because Trump disapproved of what he did. It is because he was in competition with Epstein.
Trump is a human trafficking chomo who didn't want Epstein in on his child molesting/blackmail/influence operation.
Lock him up!
Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de · 15 pts · 192d
The only guy I'm really surprised to NOT see in the files is Charlie Sheen. Apparently he is just a weirdo, not a pedo weirdo.
VitoRobles@lemmy.today · 5 pts · 192d
I think there's a bunch of celebs that are in there and are lying low or just waiting for their names to appear in the news. Right now, the cameras are all on the big names.
Epstein gathered the rich and powerful, and celebs are next.
sturmblast@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 192d
Based on.... nothing
VitoRobles@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 192d
Jay Z? Seinfeld? Woody allen? Kevin Spacey?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prominent_individuals_mentioned_in_the_Epstein_files
Help me understand - why are you defending people on the Epstein list?Who are they to you?
sturmblast@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 191d
Not what I meant, I was referring to your theory
Matombo@feddit.org · 4 pts · 192d
maybe he is a big tits guy and so he had no interest in who trump and epstein trafficed on their island
theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 193d
Yeah a lot of things make a lot more sense now.
Insekticus@aussie.zone · 12 pts · 193d
rifling through bag
"fuck, where did I put that fucking astronaut meme"
Etterra@discuss.online · 12 pts · 193d
It's always the guys you suspect the most.
TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 193d
So the Italian film, "Saló or the 120 Days of Sodom", turns out to be correct about the fascists, even if the director, Pier Paolo Pasolini, said it was a metaphor. He was believed to have been killed by fascists because of the director's anti-fascism.
ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 193d
I wish I could upvote this a hundred times. Saló is a genuinely horrific movie, but what Pasolini intended to do with it and why is beyond reproach. I too believe that's why he was killed, to the point I don't think there's really any doubt anymore.
TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 193d
A recent probe into his killing have mentioned that the gang who possibly killed Pasolini, has ties to the far-right.
edwardbear@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 193d
i’m sick of this. you know what? nothing is going to happen. wanna know why? remember panama papers? thank you for coming to my ted talk
DaMummy@hilariouschaos.com · 5 pts · 193d
Bad example. Look into the consequences of the Panama Papers. Not enough? Sure. But not nothing. And don't do something silly like switching example to hair spray gel usage to protect ozone layer as well.
irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 9 pts · 193d
Trans people are mentioned in the emails, but it's mostly disgusting chaser shit
boaratio@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 193d
Remember when the Clinton's were accused of running an underground pedophile ring at a pizza shop in DC? Turns out that wasn't true.
DaMummy@hilariouschaos.com · 2 pts · 193d
Actually.... :/ there are a lot of ties to 4chan in them. m00t I guess had a meeting with Epstein. Ghislaine was also often on /pol, there's also suspicion that she was a mod. The word "pizza" is constantly used in the files, and it seems obvious that it was a code for something. And I've even heard theories that Q was actually Epstein.
boaratio@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 192d
I've never been on 4chan, but today I learned.
SnarkoPolo@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 192d
As if any Republicans are ever going to face their crimes.
Poppa_Mo@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 193d
Got one that will tickle everyone's noodle.
Where's ole Roger Stone?
He's basically Trump's evil little Jiminy Cricket.
0% chance he isn't involved.
Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 193d
Maybe he was just too weird to be invited
aesthelete@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 193d
The all-time masters of child rape: the aristocrats!
hector@lemmy.today · 6 pts · 193d
What information do we have on Thiel and Epstein, like he partied with him, did he exchange texts that weren't completely redacted?
What pisses me off is we haven't heard any of the incriminating anything, and it's because the Justice Department redacted it all. Can we not sue the administration to get an independent monitor to decide what to release? What about if we got Congress to give the entire thing to a specific group to decide what to release?
Other than that, we need to work with the victim groups, and put investigators and authors at their disposal, to be able to run down leads on their memories, and do our own investigations to get to the bottom of what we can.
NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 193d
What bothers me is that we actually have people willing to do that stuff. Means they are morally bankrupt enough to cover this stuff up without a thought.
alfonsothemonkey@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 193d
Trump's name appears more times in these files than Jesus's in the Bible
Meron35@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 192d
Usual suspects
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org · 5 pts · 193d
Off with their heads!
scarabic@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 192d
Right but those thousands of Trump mentions were Epstein himself saying “why won’t Mr. Trump answer my invitations to the island?” and brainstorming with Elon Musk “how can we get Mr. Trump to come visit the island?” /s
Hossenfeffer@feddit.uk · 4 pts · 192d
On the plus side, I no longer want to be a billionaire, so there's that.
Gammelfisch@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 193d
Sick bastards. The entire case should be given to the French Police and Gendarmerie, because they opened up on Leon Motherfuck Hitler.
Poppa_Mo@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 193d
So there was that post going around summarizing what someone saw while working on Epstein Island. Part of the post cites walking in on someone wearing a bull mask raping one of their "co-workers". This person had a tattoo of Nixon.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 193d
that coulda been any roger stone
Poppa_Mo@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 192d
Haha. That reminds me. Didn't he threaten to sue someone over Twitter for saying folks in the Epstein files should be in jail, and then people were like... nobody even tagged you in this... what the fuck?
boaratio@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 193d
The Tennessee holler is doing the good work.
BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 193d
It's literally been a shadow cabal deciding how to make life worse for us.
psycotica0@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 193d
I have a question, and maybe this isn't the right place for it, but why do the files name the bad guys so often? Like, they had these files themselves for so long, why release the bad files? Why not just release clean ones and claim that's all of them? Why not release files with Obama, Bob Ross, Mr Rogers, and Geordi from Star Trek in them? Not LeVar but the character himself.
Is there some, like, published hash or something? Some set of receipts that tell us that these are even the files, or how many there might have been at one point or another? I'm not saying the ones we've seen are forged... I think I'm asking why aren't they?
chiliedogg@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 193d
There were millions of documents.
They cleaned the files heavily. It's just that Trump still appeared 38,000 times after that.
psycotica0@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 192d
Right but like, we don't know how many documents there were. Why wouldn't they release less and tell us that's all of them? Is it just that they put their collective foot in their mouth by telling us about how many great documents they had before they realized they were going to have to give them to us?
chiliedogg@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 192d
I think the total number of documents may have been made known during the previous administration.
It's just that the documents were under a court seal until last January because of Maxwell's appeals, so they couldn't be released.
echolalia@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 193d
IMHO, the scale is too large for a cover up like that. There's too many individuals, companies (many of these email addresses are gmail, yahoo... private email servers) and foreign governments involved.
Many of these emails are in an evidence room already from the 2008 (edit: I guess I'm assuming here for 2008) and 2019 court cases. If you mess with them too much, just for example, some random federal or state level DOJ employee could leak stuff, personal risk be damned. Or, another example, some foreign government might decide causing societal chaos in the USA is worth more than protecting Lord Toucheskids and release what they have.
The only reason they're releasing anything at all is because they have to maintain the illusion of a working DOJ and congress. Too much of the American public is truly mad about this stuff to just ignore an act of congress about it. They released the files in the most optimum way for their goals IMHO: literally everything, an unorganized firehose full of duplicates, random redactions, and a few FBI tip-line interviews that are provably untrue, along with the true ones, and the indeterminate. It'll take forever to sort through it all, and Trump/others implicated are banking on it.
psycotica0@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 192d
Okay, so you're saying the reason is because chunks of the evidence already exist in other places, so if they didn't publish the documents "properly", there actually might be another source that can be shown to contradict them? I can accept that.
ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 193d
I really doubt his rapist boomer friend group who write global policy didn't have chats about trans people or drag queens
RedditRefugee69@lemmynsfw.com · 1 pts · 192d
Making this about race, or even age, is how you lose elections.
It's all about wealth AKA power. You don't get to be absurdly wealthy or powerful by being an empathetic person who worries about how your actions impact others. So while not all powerful people are down for an Epstein visit or a Diddy party, they're almost all down to look the other way.
FlyingCircus@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 192d
Relying on elections is how you give away all of your political power to the wealthy class. Both parties represent the rich, we need to be organizing grassroots networks that can take political power, not ask for it.
RedditRefugee69@lemmynsfw.com · -1 pts · 192d
Telling people not to vote is how you give away all of your political power to people who vote.
How's Trump in office again feeling for you after you convinced enough people to stay home?
FlyingCircus@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 192d
Where did I tell people not to vote? I’m saying that if voting is the only political action you take, you are declining to have a significant impact on politics. Voting is the least effective political action you can take, but it’s still political action.
RedditRefugee69@lemmynsfw.com · 0 pts · 191d
Oh we're going to play that game? Fine:
Where did I say voting was the only political action you can take?
SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 192d
Jon Stewart - 1
https://youtube.com/shorts/Zy2nHlhh1aI
Luci@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 192d
Hey Canadians
You should search for Galen Weston Jr in the files and see if anything comes up.
stiffyGlitch@lemmy.world · -5 pts · 192d
Bill Gates actually isn't that rich now, because he gave very generous donations to charities. I still consider him a pretty good guy, but not as bad as Musty Musky. I don't know everything he's done, good or bad, but him not keeping his money to himself and using it to make rockets and houses on Mars makes him a better man then most of the people in the 'Files.
check out this article for more info:
[https://fundraiserinsight.org/articles/bill-gates-donations.html](link here)
Also, he supports gay marriage! He donated 500,000$ in support of gay marriage. ( n U n )
Taldan@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 192d
I agree with you on that. He did give generously, and that is a good thing
But I don't think I can agree here. I will reserve full judgement for an investigation, but between the details in the document, and the things Melinda has hinted at, it seems like he did some heinous things
stiffyGlitch@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 192d
oh
AngryPancake@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 192d
Donating to charity doesn't make a good man, in fact I think if they do it to cleanse their conscience, I think it's morally questionable.
pulsey@feddit.org · 4 pts · 192d
they are just trying to buy letters of indulgence.
VitoRobles@lemmy.today · 6 pts · 192d
Technically, Elon Musk normalized electric cars and charger stations, in a tightly closed industry where gasoline was the only choice. Skylink also provided a lot of internet to many areas where other Internet companies refused to go or invest in.
Bill Cosby showed America that Black families weren't any different than everybody else. His contributions to the black community, and his work with youth, made a lot of black people who they are today.
Adolf Hitler united Germany after the embarrassment of WW1... I'm not going to highlight all the other shit.
Do you understand what I'm saying here?
asdf8901@lemmy.myserv.one · -8 pts · 193d
I'm sure this will get me banned, but... Are you idiots? Have you read the context in which the names are mentioned?
PolarKraken@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 7 pts · 193d
Got something to contribute?
Mcdolan@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 193d
Lol, why would that get you banned? If you have facts with evidence to back it up, lay it out.
I'm okay with being wrong and changing my opinion.
VitoRobles@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 192d
14 hours and still not banned.
Please share.
Or do you just want to play the victim?