Every Puerto Rican is an American citizen. Enjoy the Super Bowl.

+5 Yes, Puerto Rico is widely considered a colony—or often described as the world's oldest colony—due to its status as an unincorporated U.S. territory. While residents are U.S. citizens, they lack voting representation in Congress, cannot vote for president,

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applebusch@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 132 pts · 177d (9 replies)

They didn't know Bad Bunny was a US citizen because they're ignorant of Puerto Rico.

I didn't know Bad Bunny was a US citizen because I didn't know he existed till last week.

We are not the same.

Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 177d

This is the same group that referred to Puerto Rico and a trash heap in the ocean...at that totallynotanazirally rally at MSG

RestrictedAccount@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 177d

I think your experience is very common and is EXACTLY what is driving that statistic.

Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 177d

brown skin= foreign is enough for conservatives.

kSPvhmTOlwvMd7Y7E@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 176d (2 replies)

I vaguely heard about a bunny something in US, but i pictured this bunny in my head

Klear@quokk.au · 1 pts · 176d (1 reply)

I vaguely heard about a bad... something else. Pictured it way different.

Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org · 1 pts · 175d

I vaguely heard about a bad… something else. Pictured it way different.

Yeah, a bad dragon is indeed something else. I imagine there's a lot of overlap in the opponents of both though. =p

kevin2107@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 176d (1 reply)

okay but what kind of rock do you live under that you don't know who the most streamed artist in the world is 😂. Off topic, continue.

skeezix@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 175d

We don’t live under it, we just prefer to listen to it.

Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org · 1 pts · 175d

I didn’t know Bad Bunny was a US citizen because I didn’t know he existed till last week.

At least I'm not alone. I just figured it was me being an old fart and not up with what the kids are into.

Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca · 51 pts · 177d (7 replies)

Puerto Ricans have been fighting for a long time for statehood. Taking a look at the US now, I suggest reversing course. Independance would be a better choice.

LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net · 18 pts · 177d (2 replies)

From what I've heard there isn't really a consensus among Puerto Ricans on what they want their status to be.

Pacattack57@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 177d

Correct. The last vote barely failed. Think it was 51/49 or something close to that.

Quill7513@slrpnk.net · 11 pts · 177d

People indigenous to the island are very split between moving to closer alignment with the US via statehood or to move toward independence and ending the colonial commonwealth system. The only true consensus is that the current status quo is unsustainable and something needs to change.

DahGangalang@infosec.pub · 11 pts · 177d (2 replies)

I don't spend a lot of time with Puerto Ricans, but the two I keep in semi-regular contact with have said that they don't want Puerto Rico to become a state (they wave vaguely at the rules for imports/exports to South American countries; apparently the island has relaxed rules on that compared to states?).

What's actually stopped them from.becoming a state in the past? Seems like ~2013 was the last time a movement for that had any real traction?

ChicoSuave@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 177d (1 reply)

Puerto Rico is unable to import or export directly to any country without going through the mainland United States first. This is a result of the Jones Act of 1920, shortly after PR gained citizenship but not statehood.

The Jones Act has caused some very fucked up consequences for hurricane relief like after H. Maria wrecked the island in 2017 and relief could not be provided from neighbors without a long extra trip to Florida for processing.

DahGangalang@infosec.pub · 2 pts · 177d

From the first article you linked:

Under the Jones Act, any vessel can enter Puerto Rico. In fact, many foreign vessels enter Puerto Rico regularly, importing goods from countries around the world. However, transportation of goods between two U.S. ports must be carried out by a vessel that was built in the U.S. and operated primarily by Americans. This law doesn't single out Puerto Rico -- it applies to all U.S. ports, the only exception being the U.S. Virgin Islands.

Don't get me wrong, I hate the Jones Act as much as any rational American would, but from what I hear, they get a grab bag of exemptions on taxes when moving goods to/from South America (I suppose via non-US ships and via aircraft).

I don't have the time for proper research at the moment to try to find what my dudes have talked about when it comes to laxer import/export controls, but may revisit later today if I get some down time.

AA5B@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 176d

Certainly they should wait three years but even if they were unanimously in support, it would take years to happen

JoMiran@lemmy.ml · 37 pts · 177d (21 replies)

Quick correction. Puerto Rico, not Puerto Ricans, is politically limited. Any American citizen that chooses to reside in Puerto Rico loses their right to vote (looking at you Paul brothers). Any Puerto Rican that choses to reside in any of the 50 states has the same right to vote as anyone else.

Quill7513@slrpnk.net · 8 pts · 177d (18 replies)

What's being corrected here?

JoMiran@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 177d (3 replies)

It's confusing now because it has been corrected.

Quill7513@slrpnk.net · 2 pts · 177d (2 replies)

Ah! That's what I originally figured but then we got into a whole thread like there was a discrepency and I was so lost haha

Weird that the little edit icon isn't up there

JoMiran@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 177d (1 reply)

I don't think the edit icon is a thing on this instance. I edited my previous comment a few times to test and I didn't see it.

Quill7513@slrpnk.net · 2 pts · 177d

the more you know!

criticon@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 177d (13 replies)

While residents are U.S. citizens, they lack voting representation in Congress, cannot vote for president,

Quill7513@slrpnk.net · 6 pts · 177d (12 replies)

...Right. That's correct. Residents are US citizens and lack voting representation in congress and cannot vote for president. I feel like I must be missing something.

Also this is the case for US Citizens residing in Guam and Samoa

criticon@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 177d (2 replies)

The correction is that the restriction is under the territory, not on the citizens. If they migrate to a state they can vote for president. If a citizen from a state moves to the territory the can't vote for the president

Quill7513@slrpnk.net · 1 pts · 177d (1 reply)

...Right. I must still be missing something. Because that's what the original post says, too

criticon@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 177d

👍🏼

EmpathicVagrant@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 177d (8 replies)

Same in DC as well.

Quill7513@slrpnk.net · 1 pts · 177d (7 replies)

At least DC gets 3 electors in presidential elections

EmpathicVagrant@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 177d (6 replies)

Well sure, but it’s not like the residents get half a say without a vote so they’re just kind of there.

Quill7513@slrpnk.net · 3 pts · 177d

there is a vote for those electors. turnout is generally low because ~70% of the vote goes to a specific party and what's on the ballot is only how to allocate a small portion of electors in the electoral college. most DC residents feel its pretty token and prefer to spend election day not stressing about something that's out of their hands. when they do turn out the vote, it's an act of "hey. we're still here, goddammit."

also this is all making miss my old hometown 🤣. DC is such a great city if your political interests are more towards community involvement than towards voting

DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 176d (1 reply)

Oh btw, people born in American Samoa are US Nationals but not Citizens

So bascially they're second-class Citizens. They are allowed to freely travel withing the US, but cannot vote or run for federal office...

Laws are so fucking weird

edit: typo

JoMiran@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 176d

WanderWisley@lemmy.world · 36 pts · 177d (13 replies)

I’m Native American and some whites don’t think I’m American.

Holytimes@sh.itjust.works · 17 pts · 177d (3 replies)

This is actual "logic" my boss once used on this topic.

Native Americans arnt real Americans because they have native in front of them. Why would you need a different word to describe them if they were real Americans?

He's Mexican, came over illegally and married into citizenship basically.

He also votes hard right maga and might be the dumbest man I've ever known.

_stranger_@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 177d

You might be talking about an uncle of mine. You've described him perfectly. I feel your pain ✊

selokichtli@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 176d

You should call White Americans "Euro Americans", then. That may clarify things for this lost soul.

sakuraba@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 175d

Those pochos are the worst kind, literally traitors to their country

titanicx@lemmy.zip · 17 pts · 177d (5 replies)

Native also, I 100% got profiled by a white cop in a small town I went fishing in last fall. Got pulled over and he was surprised I wasn't Mexican, fuck him. 

WanderWisley@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 176d (4 replies)

Fuck da whites! We are in this together brother! Stand up and fight any ally is widely accepted.

titanicx@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 176d (3 replies)

Dude I worry about this so much. I'm not only native but I work in the construction industry and hauling all my ladders around in my tools around on my truck I'm so waiting for ice to roll up on my ass I'm going to have to get enough fight with them.

WanderWisley@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 176d (2 replies)

Same bro I work in the mining industry and so many people here are so happy about the ice raids even older natives are excited about it. What is really concerning is that puppy killer Kristie said last year before the 4th of July that natives should lose their status and there tribes.

titanicx@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 176d (1 reply)

This last week they tore down all of the plaques from Little bighorn

WanderWisley@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 176d

That is fucking bullshit.

Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 177d

Some of those whites have guns and "absolute immunity"

Native Americans are being swept up by ICE

FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 175d (1 reply)

I’m as white as they come, moved to AZ for a bit and was ASTOUNDED by the number of people who think New Mexico is on the other side of the border or that every brown tinted person is clearly Mexican, despite like half of th state being Res territory. Now I’m in UT where the Utes are mostly a sports mascot

The fact that Reservations exist at all is a slap in the face, maybe this time instead of the Canadians yall burn down the White House, just sayin

WanderWisley@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 175d

Shhh don’t give away the plan…

Devadander@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 177d (3 replies)

Where you getting that 73% from?

Cruxifux@feddit.nl · 14 pts · 177d

I’m sure the number is ridiculously high, but it’s always funny to me when memes just throw a random percentage out there with no sources. This is done to make stupid people think this is a professional, real statistic.

orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 7 pts · 177d

It's a real stat. Just like 49% of US citizens think we are not divided.

Godric@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 176d

Their ass, they spent all morning rooting around up there on the C-line

Source: I took the C-line to work today

ArgentRaven@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 177d (2 replies)

I'll do you one better: I didn't even know who Bad Bunny was prior to this news cycle. Not my genre of music.

But I do remember the last time Puerto Rico was hit by a hurricane, and Trump didn't do shit to help. Because he's a vile piece of shit that would rather fuck kids, his daughter, and this country rather than help anyone.

Jhex@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 176d

he didn't seem to know Puerto Rico was part of the US at all

AA5B@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 176d

At the time I thought that was a good reason why they would be better off if they chose to pursue statehood. We do much better with emergency response to states and we invest more in states for infrastructure and stuff. At least economically it would seem a strong positive.

But then Trump happened and somehow our representatives are allowing him to restrict emergency response by personal spite and and self-enrichment, so I just don’t know anymore

Aeri@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 176d

I have almost no idea who that Bad Bunny person is but I do know that fascists/republicans hate him so he must be pretty cool.

Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip · 23 pts · 176d (1 reply)

To be fair, until a couple weeks ago, I didn't know Bad Bunny is...

At all.

ImgurRefugee114@reddthat.com · 4 pts · 176d

He was on a late night show with Linus from Linus Tech Tips. That was my first time seeing him. I'm glad Linus was able to give this small creator the break he needed (/s but it was the first time I saw him...)

mannycalavera@feddit.uk · 21 pts · 177d (5 replies)

So it's kinda No Taxation Without Representation situation? Or does that only apply to white people?

orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 18 pts · 177d

There are lower/no taxes there. That's why so many conservatives move there, or buy property there - particularly after a hurricane. Disaster capitalism.

LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net · 5 pts · 177d (2 replies)

I mean DC has plenty of white people but they're in a similar situation. Although at least they get to vote for president.

Quill7513@slrpnk.net · 4 pts · 177d

Still worth considering that DC is called "Chocolate City" for a reason. It's a majority minory city. I've encountered at least a few political scientists who firmly believe that the biggest barrier for DC gaining statehood is that historically the American imperial project will support social goods until they're extended to Black people (with the New Deal being the commonly referenced example of this, as well as why building a gentler form of capitalism through social democratic reform should be viewed as good, but not as enough)

prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 177d

Poor, white people.

The rest of them live in Maryland and Virginia and commute to DC

homes@piefed.world · 1 pts · 177d

We all know the answer to that question

Jhex@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 176d (6 replies)

the orange pedo clearly did not know Puerto Rico was a US territory during his first term… he also did not know it was an island

and this level of brilliance was rewarded with a second term by muricans… so yes, I tend to believe every stat that claims they are mostly ignorants

FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 175d (2 replies)

American here, if I could read I would be SO mad about what you wrote

Jhex@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 175d (1 reply)

thank you for your good humour.. I know I am generalizing which is usually not a good thing, but the frustration mounting over the last few years is really getting me now

FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 175d

Believe me, you are not alone in that frustration. Living here is like watching your stove catch on fire and the one creepy uncle who no one talks to aside from major holidays is actively trying to block you from the extinguisher in the cabinet…while the rest of your relatives just sort of look away. Infuriated is a polite way of saying what I feel these days

Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org · 3 pts · 175d (2 replies)

~30% of voters will vote (R) regardless of who. A smaller share will vote (D) regardless of who. The rest have to be convinced to vote for you instead of the other guy, and the largest group by far have to be convinced to get off their asses and vote at all.

Trump won a second term not because he had a massive upswing in popularity, but because Harris did the opposite of convincing people to actually vote and to do so for her. Apathy favors GOP, high turnout favors Dems.

ReiRose@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 175d

Definitely agree with this, and also consider those who are unable to vote. By this i mean those who arent registered for whatever reason, or cant get to a poll. I encourage everyone to help with getting people to the polls this midterm: volunteer to drive people And share how on social media

Jhex@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 175d

Agreeing with your more detail breakdown, I cannot see how it contradicts what I posted before (which I think it's your intention here).

At the end of the day, the USA thought it best to eat battery acid (trump) or starve to death (not vote) rather than eating the cold hamburger that was available (Harris)

We can argue a lot about the flaws of a 2 party system and, most importantly IMO, how deeply corrupt the USA's version of "deMoCRacY" is... but at the end of the day, Americans decided to figuratively kill themselves and bring down the world with them, mostly out of fucking ignorance

selokichtli@lemmy.ml · 15 pts · 177d (12 replies)

Wow, guys. I'm Mexican and not a fan of Bad Bunny at all, but you seem really out of the loop with this guy.

He is a Puerto Rican, and in that sense he is an American citizen, but Bad Bunny is a sovereignist that would very much prefer to be free from the USA. The song Ricky Martin sang during the SB halftime show is just beautiful (listen to the Tiny desk version!). The name of the song is "Lo que le pasó a Hawaii" (What happened to Hawaii) and the lyrics talk about a strong, deep feeling of belonging to the Puerto Rico island. He talks a lot about the simple life in there and some of their traditions. In the end, the song calls Puerto Ricans to hold their flag and don't allow "them" to do to Puerto Rico what happened to Hawaii.

I was in awe to listen to at least some of these lines in the middle of the Super Bowl. Honestly, don't even try to ask me about the rest of the show.

BillMurray@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 177d (1 reply)

The dumbest man you've ever known is your boss? Maybe time to switch careers. What type of work do you do?

selokichtli@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 176d

Wrong OP, I think.

hector@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 177d (6 replies)

PR would be better off as a state, something they rejected doing at least 2x in referendums. There is zero chance the us lets them be independant, as a state they would be treated better. Although with the whole fascist one party state fixing elections thing it could be s moot point.

Bytemeister@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 177d (1 reply)

PR should get to decide if they want to join this clusterfuck or not. The bare minimum the US should do is allow PR to join if they want to, and guarantee military support if PR asks for it.

hector@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 177d

"Should" is neither here nor there.

  1. they will not let puerto rico be independent.
  2. PR would get treated better as a State
  3. The republicans will not admit PR as a State right now, unless they could be sure their people would be elected there.

I don't know what you mean by military support. Are you saying if they are allowed to go independent? They won't, there is zero chance they will be independent.

selokichtli@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 176d (3 replies)

But not lately. They've been voting for becoming a state since Obama iirc, and they've been systematically ignored by Democrat and Republican administrations.

I must add, independence movements are rarely allowed by the oppressor. So, they shouldn't be bothered about what the USA will "let" them do, if they were inclined for independence, which, I repeat, is not the case with PR.

hector@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 176d (2 replies)

Have they had a vote endorsing being a state? That's news to me, I remember a vote losing, don't remember one since. Yeah I mean PR could fight a guerrilla war to become independent if they didn't want to concern themselves with what the US will let them do. They are stuck with the US, as we are.

selokichtli@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 176d (1 reply)

Every ~4 years. Latest vote was taken in 2024, and they voted to become a state. It's been like this for four consecutive plebiscites, but even before, it was kind of a popular option.

hector@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 176d

I remember one in the 00s where they said no anyway, don't recall an exact frame of reference for the year.

prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 177d

Cool, good for him. I would be too.

I don't understand what the issue is here...

AA5B@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 176d (1 reply)

Why is it a problem if he sings about that? Being a Puerto Rican is something to be proud of and it’s appropriate if he has opinions on what future they should seek.

I personally think they’d be better off as a state and would welcome them, but it starts with people there deciding what they want to do

selokichtli@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 176d

I didn't say it was a problem, on the contrary, I found it admirable.

They, contrary to all my hopes, want so bad to be a USA state, but it's looking like they are too brown to be "Americans" or they are far from being a priority for the government. The Trump administration seems fixated with the idea of a 51st state in the north. But, hey, at least they are not being economically blocked since the 1960s.

smuuthbrane@sh.itjust.works · 13 pts · 177d (2 replies)

Canada will give them a home. Lord knows we need a friendly southern escape.

rainwall@piefed.social · 10 pts · 177d (1 reply)

That would be an incredible change for the island. Right now their economy is kneecapped by byzantine US shipping laws. The jones act gives american shippers complete control over goods going to and from the island, driving up prices.

Falling under the care of a sanier nation, one who will help them rollout a reliable solar grid instead of dismantiling it, would do wonders.

smuuthbrane@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 177d

Maybe we'll use it as a launching pad to adopt Cuba as well.

Warl0k3@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 177d (1 reply)

Made up statistic aside, why is not knowing the nationality of a celebrity... bad? I don't even know his real name, this seems like a stretch to make it into american chauvinism rather than people just not knowing about a celebrity. Is that the joke?

fulcrummed@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 177d

It’s relevant here because of the backlash from maga morons when it was announced a guy with brown skin would be doing the half time show. There was a lot of nationalist rhetoric bouncing around, being used to justify their racism.

It was all bs as their arguments were being levelled at an American citizen as he is Puerto Rican.

AA5B@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 176d (10 replies)

While I understand most Americans are apparently racist idiots, I find that stat hard to believe.

In all the hoopla around the halftime show, I never once read anything other than he is Puerto Rican. Not even in the maga content the algorithm insists I want to see (to the extent I didn’t immediately block).

Maybe this is being too pedantic but it would be more believable if

  • “73% of Americans don’t understand that puerto ricans are us citizens”. Because we are that dumb.

Replying to that German guy somewhere in the comments - Spanish is spoken all over the us as the second most common language. Certainly anywhere in the south you’ll hear it all the time, but even up here in New England it’s very common. There’s no reason to be surprised by hearing it nor to think they are anything other than Americans who are speaking Spanish

dustyData@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 176d (8 replies)

There's an entire TikTok side, not just one influencer but several, that have centered their accounts around random chat apps where they ask north-americans if America is a continent, for comedy. Now, this is truly just anecdotal, however. I'm talking about several influencers who pump dozens of this kind of videos each, every day. Every video has 2 or 3 video chats, sometimes multiple people per chat. There's so much content that they are their own hashtag and tiktok sphere, of videos making fun of north americans for not knowing basic geography.

MissingGhost@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 175d

I like to introduce myself as coming from America's biggest country. I might then mention that we only speak French here.

nickiwest@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 176d (5 replies)

If you ask South Americans, at least some of them will tell you that America is one continent.

The day I told my 3rd graders in Colombia that there were 7 continents, it sparked a conversation I was not expecting (because that is what every social studies textbook said when I was in school in the US). Here, they only count five. That was the day I learned there is not an international consensus about what constitutes a continent.

Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org · 1 pts · 175d (1 reply)

Here, they only count five.

Which other two get combined or does one get wholly discarded? Like the seven I'm used to are N. America, S.America, Europe, Africa, Asia, Australia/Oceania and Antarctica. Is Eurasia a single continent to them, does Antarctica or Australia not count, or something else?

nickiwest@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 173d

Eurasia counts as one continent for my students.

But in some places, apparently they don't count Antarctica because it isn't populated by a permanent human civilization.

AA5B@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 176d (2 replies)

And if you do try to define object science-based criteria, you get things like New Zealand is a continent

Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org · 2 pts · 175d (1 reply)

Same thing with planets. Rather appropriately the now-classified-as-a-dwarf-planet named Eris (after the goddess of strife and discord) being discovered was what set the wheels in motion that led to Pluto losing it's status as a planet.

AA5B@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 175d

Yeah, this is such a shame: we could have been at like 13 planets by now!

Godric@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 176d

Film yourself asking 100 people the same simple question

find 5 who are clueless

Only post the 5% of people who make for good content, never mention the other 95%

Morons lap this up as real

The ole Charlie Kirk youtube method didn't die with him I see.

ronl2k@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 176d

There’s no reason to... think they are anything other than Americans who are speaking Spanish

The vast majority of Americans speak English in public. People who speak Spanish as their primary language in public are usually assumed to be foreigners.

Turret3857@infosec.pub · 7 pts · 177d (1 reply)

There's a sink at the door

Fucks sake!

Ghostie@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 175d
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hector@lemmy.today · 7 pts · 177d (1 reply)

Wait, so why is that part of mexico american, I am confused? /s

blinfabian@feddit.nl · 6 pts · 177d

mexico gave it to murica as a gift because mexico very nice 😊

Kowowow@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 177d (1 reply)

So bad bunny isn't a chick? Feeling out of the loop

Raiderkev@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 177d

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhad_Bhabie

You're probably thinking about the cash me outside girl.

Jax@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 176d (2 replies)

It's amazing how many Lemmings claim to be above billionaire propaganda and yet sit here jerking themselves off about, both, knowing Bad Bunny is a U.S. citizen and him being at the Super Bowl.

Here's a thought: don't watch the fucking Super Bowl. Crazy, outlandish idea — but as a U.S. citizen I can guarantee that it is possible for you to do this. Break your chains.

Vupware@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 176d (1 reply)

I watched the Super Bowl for 15 minutes.

Jax@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 169d

I'm assuming you simply don't care for the Super Bowl otherwise?

That sounds a whole hell of a lot like they successfully wrangled your engagement.

lobut@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 177d (2 replies)

Tomi Lahren: https://www.instagram.com/reel/DPW89KfDIKN/

In a proper world, this would discredit her from being a pundit.

JoMiran@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 177d

That "dear" came down like a ton of bricks.

AA5B@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 176d

Wow. The ignorance is strong with that one

rumba@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 176d (5 replies)

71% of Americans have no idea that Puerto Ricans are American citizens.

Included in that 29% are all the people who are Puerto Ricans

I made these numbers up, but they're likely not that far off.

Ghostie@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 175d (2 replies)
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rumba@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 175d (1 reply)

I could, but mostly I'm preaching to the choir here.

Ghostie@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 175d
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ReiRose@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 175d

Old stats but: 5.8 million Puerto Ricans in the US and 3.3 million in Puerto Rico in 2021 (about 340million total in the us in 2021).

I would say 29% is accurate if you include people that would rather be Puerto Ricans right now

Doomsider@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 176d

Lol you had me going with the 29%!

W98BSoD@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 177d (5 replies)

Ghostie@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 175d
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Paranoidfactoid@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 176d (2 replies)

DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 176d (1 reply)

Oh no, the Gen Alphas are infiltrating Lemmy

Paranoidfactoid@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 176d

GenX, actually. But I've got a kid.

inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 176d

Idk. I think Elon killed this joke?

hesh@quokk.au · 5 pts · 177d

I missed the survey

mechoman444@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 175d (2 replies)

They really need to make Puerto Rico a full-fledged state at this point.

FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 175d (1 reply)

IIRC they’ve voted multiple times to stay away from the US, but yeah we should add DC and Samoa too

Kind of a have your cake and eat it scenario but I wouldn’t want to become part of America either.

mechoman444@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 175d

I fully understand. I've lived here my whole life and I am disgusted at our current leadership.

housedogpartyfavor@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 176d

A movement to turn pro sports into quasi nationalist rallies, with barely a peep about it, is far more alarming than ignorance about the vagarities of US territorial policy. Most people can’t even name the vice president! This is a very strange kind of manufactured outrage.

Ghostie@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 175d
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DrPop@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 176d

It's crazy to me that when i researched it appears that every couple of years they have a non American performer but no one complains. U2, Coldplay, The (fucking) Who. But you never heard anyone complaining,wonder why.

GaumBeist@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 176d

I didn't know where he was from, nor had I heard about him until the outrage machine hyped him up. I just assumed he was an immigrant based on the outrage, but I guess that's asking too much of the racist who can be fooled into liking Kid Rock.

DarkFuture@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 175d (1 reply)

Americans elected a convicted felon and adjudicated rapist who is now tanking our economy and making enemies of all our allies.

Set your expectations low.

Ghostie@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 175d
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Paranoidfactoid@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 176d

No worries! That's what SCOTUS repealing the 14th Amendment will fix.

/s

Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 176d

Can't vote though, so only second class citizens I'd venture.

HugeNerd@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 176d

It was annexed fair and square, peacefully and democratically according to international rules-based order.

Now other countries are the problem. They're the bad guys.

BigBenis@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 176d (1 reply)

Most Americans are woefully undereducated

Ghostie@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 175d
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trongod_requiem0432@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 177d (18 replies)

No hate on him, but I understand why. I'm German, but I speak English and a little Spanish as well. When I saw a video of the Superbowl halftime show, I got the symbolism, but I didn't understand anything he was saying in Spanish.

If you're trying to convey to the American public that you're a well integrated subculture that deserves to be treated equally in terms of American law, I don't think it's very helpful if you rap about that in Spanish, because most white U.S. citizens don't speak Spanish. So if you use all that "Mechico immigrantos good"-symbolism in the pictures, but can't express yourself properly, it's going to confirm their racist beliefs that integration is not successful. For me, personally, it made the first impression that this rapper is not from the U.S. mainland culture. Do mind that I had no other context or knowledge about him at that point in time. Would I have wished for a different show? No, it was still okay. But I think a mix of English and Mexican Spanish would have been more powerful.

2hundredpancakes@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 9 pts · 177d (6 replies)

The USA has historically had no official language. Spanish is also the second-most widely spoken language here after English.

It's not about representing a "well-integrated subculture" (which sounds gross to me btw) but pointing out that this country's identity is and should be about more than White English Speakers.

You're saying this thing should pander to White America when we can see all around us the results of that attitude. Inequality and hierarchical oppression.

The show had subtitles in English. Presumably also in German and other languages. You can read them.

Fuck's sake man.

trongod_requiem0432@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 176d (5 replies)

I never said that it's not an official language. Why accuse me of something I've not said? "Pointing out that this country’s identity is and should be about more than White English Speakers." Yeah, as I said, the show was okay. But I wished I could have understood the lyrics as well. And I think a lot of other people would have wished for that as well. The ending show sign was very good though.

You haven't read my comment by the way. I said I watched a video of it (on YouTube). There were no subtitles available under that video. I also haven't said that this show should've pandered to White English speakers. That's another baselesse accusation. I said it would have been a more powerful message, if the message he rapped about in the lyrics would have been at least partially understandable to English speakers. A mix would have shown how both languages are part of the same US-American identity. That's what I was about.

How the fuck am I supposed to know as a German that this show had subtitles in the original tv screening? By the way, most people on Reddit have mentioned that it actually didn't have any subtitles, so there were probably differences in to whom it was available. Maybe dependent on the tv station?

Fuck's sake man. Why do you make up shit to get offended about? We're on the same team. Some of you guys are a bunch of nitpicky assholes who thrive on finding things to argue about rather than trying to find things you might have in common.

ndru@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 176d

It wasn’t for us, though. I speak EU Spanish and I didn’t gets lot of it, nor understand all the symbolism, but the celebration of the language and culture seems self evident.

I didn’t get all the symbolism in the Chinese Olympic opening performance, or countless other cultural performances, but I don’t see it as necessary to understand 100% to be able to appreciate the expression.

I don’t particularly care for Bad Bunny’s music, but the show felt to me like a powerful expression of cultural validity on a huge stage in a country where people are facing state violence for looking like they belong to that culture.

From what I’ve seen shared online from members of that latino/a community, they feel like it was incredibly powerful for them to see genuine representation at that level. To me that is more important than whether or not I personally understood all the language or symbolism.

2hundredpancakes@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 176d (3 replies)

I never said that it's not an official language. Why accuse me of something I've not said?

Not an accusation, but part of my point.

You haven't read my comment by the way. I said I watched a video of it (on YouTube). There were no subtitles available under that video.

YT not mentioned in your original comment; lack of subtitles on the video you saw not my problem nor my point.

I also haven't said that this show should've pandered to White English speakers. That's another baselesse accusation. I said it would have been a more powerful message, if the message he rapped about in the lyrics would have been at least partially understandable to English speakers.

Reread this angle a few times and maybe you'll understand the problem. People understood the spirit of the message and that's the real substance. That show broke viewership records: people knew what they were tuning in to and wanted to see it. Music is often called the "universal language" for a reason.

How the fuck am I supposed to know as a German that this show had subtitles in the original tv screening?

You're not supposed to, and that's not the point.

Why do you make up shit to get offended about? We're on the same team. Some of you guys are a bunch of nitpicky assholes who thrive on finding things to argue about rather than trying to find things you might have in common.

You're doing exactly what you accuse me of & trying to delegitimize my points with strawman and ad hominem. With "teammates" like you, we don't need enemies.

This is what I get for engaging with someone who talks about "successfully integrating subcultures", I guess. Have a good life and may we never meet again.

trongod_requiem0432@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 176d (2 replies)

ok, deflect then. why go through all that effort of writing all this if you don't want an answer? Oh, right. You're trying to pretend to yourself that you're right.

enjoy your life in America then. seems to go swimmingly for guys like you who know everything about integration and understanding.

2hundredpancakes@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 0 pts · 176d (1 reply)

I don't know everything, but I sure know better than someone who uses autistic as an insult in the year 2026.

Blocking you now. Feel free to have the last word if it makes you feel a bit more like a winner.

trongod_requiem0432@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 176d

Thank you for blocking, fragile person. Be proxy-offended somewhere else.

Reygle@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 177d (4 replies)

Please ask Rammstein to use English more often. (this is a sarcastic joke, please tell them I love them)

Paranoidfactoid@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 176d

Speaking Serbian in Germany is an affront to my United States heritage.

trongod_requiem0432@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 176d (2 replies)

You know, this actually plays IN FAVOUR of my argument and shows that you know fuck all about Rammstein. When Rammstein made a song critical of US culture, they actually DID partiallly sing in English!

-> Amerika "We're all living in America! Amerika, ist wunderbar!" "This is not a love song This is not a love song I don't sing my mother tongue No, this is not a love song"

You guys don't know shit and yet you criticize me. And the absurd thing is that I'm not even criticizing Bad Bunny, but am in favour of his message.

Reygle@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 176d (1 reply)

"We all live in America" is them satirizing how fucked up America is, in a "Yeah, sure, we're ALL Americans, F*ck you" sort of way.

I feel like you're angry for the sake of being angry, but you do what you've gotta do, bub.

trongod_requiem0432@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 176d

I know they're satirizing it. But that was the point, they're still singing part about the song in English so that English speakers still understand part of it. That makes the art more powerful in my opinion.

AA5B@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 176d (5 replies)

I’m really not sure what “well integrated subculture” means or whether we should want it. Even a basic concept like “similar core values” gets messy before it gets desirable.

  • we all seem to intermingle, so maybe that’s well integrated.
  • People from different places still follow distinct practices, so are still a subculture.
  • we would be far poorer without the contributions from other cultures
  • for Mexican-Americans specifically, Mexican food has become core American in much of the us
trongod_requiem0432@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 176d (4 replies)

Well, the minimum of main culture aspects being supporting the democracy, a certain amount of tolerance for others with different opinion and looks, rule of law. "well integrated subculture" meaning people joining an already exisiting main culture in different ways, like immigrants and not being openly hostile to people with other opinions or looks who stem from other subcultures/backgrounds without proper reason. An indication of a failed integration are parallel societies within one country.

Yes, I would agree with you that polite, nonviolent and maybe even friendly interaction is positive. The main culture aspect or fundamental understanding of the US society is problematic these days. One could even argue whether it's still exists. However, since there are many people who fight for it, you could at least argue that the idea still exists.

"we would be far poorer without the contributions from other cultures" Very much debatable. There are so many positive AND negative aspects of it. People from the ends of the political spectrum see it in a contrasting manner. Pro-immigration people will biased towards positivity á la "enrichment" while contra-immigration people will be biased towards negativity á la "criminals and rapists". The truth is somewhere in between - both things can be true at the same time, often depending on the individuals and group dynamics. It's complex.

The part about the food is very much true. The same thing is true for Turkish and Middle-Eastern food here in Germany and I very much enjoy it. An argument against it would be illegal immigration, human and drug trafficking, narco organizations, wage competition, wages without taxation and so on. On the other hand, you have great workers who value education for their kids, have good food, are sometimes lovely people, support the wobbly demographics and so on. I think we can all agree that your president and ICE are not a good solution for any of this though. It was never meant to be one.

AA5B@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 176d (3 replies)

contra-immigration people will be biased towards negativity á la “criminals and rapists”. The truth is somewhere in between - both things can be true at the same time,

Maybe but that specific reasoning is provably wrong, using actual crime statistics

trongod_requiem0432@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 176d (2 replies)

The reasoning is that few immigrants - just like in the local population - will be committing criminal acts. I don't think the crime statistics show that there are no criminal acts committed by immigrants as well. But maybe I have misunderstood you. What exactly is your point?

AA5B@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 176d (1 reply)

Crime statistics generally show immigrants charged for crimes at a same or lower rate than non-immigrants. There is no validity to the claim that immigrants cause crime.

Immigrants appear to be people, doing pretty much what people do, and maybe keeping their head down to avoid unwanted attention

trongod_requiem0432@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 175d

There is no validity to the claim that immigrants cause crime.

Actually, there is, because you've misunderstood what I was saying. We're kinda on the same page though. Immigrants WILL bring crime, because they're just as likely as any other group of people to commit them. Now, the question whether they bring any crime at all is a totally different one than the question asking whether they are more or less likely to commit crimes (statistically) than the native population.

Crime statistics generally show immigrants charged for crimes at a same or lower rate than non-immigrants.

Which crime statistic? Immigration is a complex topic and the impact on crime statistics hugely depends on who immigrates into which country and who lives there.

If you ask left-leaning people to look at the historical immigration of European settlers to North America and the native population there, people will quickly say "Oh yeah, they were horrible! They came, raped, robbed and murdered the native population!", but if you ask them how they see modern immigration, they will magically say that it's all good and that all immigrants are good people and enrich the culture. Yet, those European settlers were immigrants as well (...). There is a huge bias towards how immigration is being seen there and it has something to do with the ideology you're being taught while you grow up. As I have said, the truth is much more complex and harder to grasp. And you really have to look at the statistics, because some biasses turn out to be true - and others do not.

Some groups of immigrants may have a lower chance of committing crimes, others may have a higher chance of doing so.

In Germany for example, immigrants have a significantly higher crime rate than German citizens (https://de.statista.com/themen/13642/auslaenderkriminalitaet-in-deutschland/#topicOverview) and the ratio of immigrants to citizens in criminal convictions has been rising for the last 6 years (https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/223/umfrage/verurteilte-straftaeter-nach-nationalitaet/). There are many factors to consider here, like citizens more likely to report the police to the crime of an immigrant, immigrants living in poverty or destitute conditions (making it more likely for them to steal for example), less availability of lawyers and legal assistance and so on. People from Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria were much more likely to commit violent acts - including rape - for example (https://www.bpb.de/themen/innere-sicherheit/dossier-innere-sicherheit/301624/migration-und-kriminalitaet/). While immigrants from Georgia and the African countries were more likely to commit acts of fraud or thievery.

Things might look totally different for the USA, Brazil, Mexico and so on.

It's factually true to say that immigrants always bring crime.

It's factually false to say that immigrants always bring more crime than the native population.

It's factually true to say that immigrants can commit more crime percentage-wise than the native population.

It's factually true to say that immigrants can commit less crime percentage-wise than the native population.