cross-posted from: https://sh.itjust.works/post/55355363
Merz Urges Germans to Work More, Cites Greece as Model
https://www.tovima.com/politics/merz-urges-germans-to-work-more-cites-greece-as-model/
https://www.tovima.com/politics/merz-urges-germans-to-work-more-cites-greece-as-model/
cross-posted from: https://sh.itjust.works/post/55355363
50 Comments
Muffi@programming.dev · 78 pts · 199d
And while you're at it, have more children.
ISOmorph@feddit.org · 62 pts · 199d
And stop going to the doctor when you're sick. That's not what the taxes are for.
Kornblumenratte@feddit.org · 22 pts · 199d
Bad argument. German's public health is not tax funded. Merz seems to be more like "Don't take sick leave! When you feel sick, you're just lazy."
ISOmorph@feddit.org · 13 pts · 199d
Beiträge zur gesetzlichen Krankenversicherung sind de facto Steuern. Ich muss sie zahlen und bemessen sich an meinen Einnahmen.
Don_alForno@feddit.org · 1 pts · 198d
Healthcare fees are not taxes, as they are committed to a specific purpose. They're also not paid to the government.
CosmoNova@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 199d
While social spending gets cut even more. I mean sure the social state did nothing to harm the struggling economy but… look, it‘s just getting cut, ok?!
trollercoaster@sh.itjust.works · 67 pts · 199d
Rich parasite who hasn't done any actual work in his whole life demands people work more for his and his leech friends' wealth.
Fuck him.
avidamoeba@lemmy.ca · 62 pts · 200d
Same shit different day, so here's what I said the last time this brainrot hit the news:
zwerg@feddit.org · 19 pts · 199d
I already do way over 40 hours, I'm just not getting paid for all of it, so this changes nothing except my motivation to do overtime.
Enkrod@feddit.org · 43 pts · 199d
Short reminder that Merz had a 2-day work week during his time as chairman of the board at BlackRock Germany and got paid about half a million a year (150k base salary + bonuses) not to know or to decide anything but to facilitate political connections.
His famed "economy expertise" consists of lobbying work and board positions he only got to use his political influence (read: de facto corruption)
Kazel@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 34 pts · 199d
Halt die Fresse Merz
vane@lemmy.world · 34 pts · 199d
Maybe German government could stop buying from US and Chinese technology companies. Maybe block capital outflow from big German corporations to foreign countries with cheaper labor costs and start using domestic products ?
I'm stupid idiot so this might be all untrue.
Kornblumenratte@feddit.org · 32 pts · 199d
While your at it – what about not destroying every single future technology that evolves in Germany and yield it to China? like maglev, solar panels, windmills, batteries, heat pumps, electric vehicles and so on and so forth?
vane@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 199d
Exactly that, giving capital and technology for free, call it "collaboration". Wait 5 years and those foreign companies build on top of that and sell it to you and don't share any capital or technology. It's been like that for at least 2 decades so what they expect from country that was brain and capital drained for 20 years ?
DandomRude@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 199d
The man owes his entire career to cronyism with the business world, especially his close ties to US corporations. Since he is much more of a US business lobbyist than a politician, his neo-capitalist drivel is self-explanatory.
Translated from German | Source with references
Verdorrterpunkt@feddit.org · 26 pts · 199d
Just for everyone who doesn't know. Merz is negatively qualified (career-wise) and somewhat of an idiot.
BigShammy80@feddit.org · 11 pts · 198d
Fixed that for you
Verdorrterpunkt@feddit.org · 2 pts · 198d
Fair. I am not german and want to keep my statements about other countries politics as fool-proof as possible though.
gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de · 26 pts · 199d
I think a regular work week should be reduced to 30 hours/week, people can work longer but everything above that is overtime and paid accordingly.
Hapankaali@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 199d
Productivity in any case craters after about 30 hours per week, but people like Merz don't realize that since they haven't actually worked in their lives.
gusgalarnyk@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 199d
Society's ultimate purpose should be to make our lives better, not to enrich share holders. Merz, and conservatives at large, work against society's best interests. Don't let them get or keep power, they are a plight.
reksas@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 198d
lets drop the "should be" and go with is instead. You are very much correct that those people work against everyones interests but their own and their owners.
MehBlah@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 199d
I guess he is talking about how greece has a upper class that don't pay taxes and forces everyone else to work hard for basic needs.
Bababasti@feddit.org · 6 pts · 199d
I thought that’s just capitalism 101?!
MehBlah@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 199d
More like lords and surfs. Its bluntly written in to their laws.
CosmoNova@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 199d
My pay can‘t even keep up with inflation or rising prices and I‘m now expected to use AI for the tasks that I liked to do manually and instead waste my time fixing the garbage it puts out.
So yeah, thanks a lot „Christian Democrats“ and „Social Democrats“ for slashing the social state and putting our struggling economy to a halt even more all the while giving my employer even more leverage to squeeze labor out of me.
I‘m thinking I should take more paid health breaks before they cut that possibility too.
fierysparrow89@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 199d
I'm confused, Musk is saying we're heading to abundance and work being optional. Merz is saying we need to work more. I don't know which overlord to listen to. They really need to compare notes at the next "rule the pawns" meeting...
huppakee@piefed.social · 10 pts · 199d
They have different strategies, Musk is trying to motivating pawns by selling them a utopia, Merz is motivating the pawns by making them fear the lack of growth. Maybe they did compare notes and decided to do some a/b testing lol
Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 199d
They're both talking or of their ass so it doesn't really matter.
birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 199d
The real answer is taxing the rich properly, and relieving the poor.
• 4-day workweek should be the new standard
• Back to 70% taxes on the richest percentiles through income-dependent fines, wealth-dependent tax, tax of stocks, tax of private property (with a prohibition on raising costs for inhabitants), and so on.
• Combat capital flight and combat tax havens. Support them with a modest reimbursement for the losses of abolition of tax haven schemes.
• Relieve the proletariat: lower tax for the poor and middle class. 0% for the poorest, 20% for the richer.
And other measures:
• Limit the power of large companies; break them up, foreign companies trying to do business here included.
• Foster small and mid-sized DUWOCs (decentral, unionised, worker-owned coöps).
• Tackle capital corruption within politics. Former non-DUWOC leaders cannot become politicians, and politicians once finishing their political career, cannot become non-DUWOC business leaders.
• Reduce tax for DUWOCs with small income differences between the worst- and best paid people.
• Foster juridicial independence
• Establish a European sovereign fund that invests in economic diversification, sustainable energy, support for farmers, and building homes. In good years, save up, and in bad years, spend a smaller part of it.
plyth@feddit.org · -1 pts · 199d
They are both right. America gets the Technocracy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technocracy_movement#The_technate while Europe falls aside and has to rent out bodies and minds for global market rates. Thus Europe can only increase profits by increasing work rate.
That is, unless somebody comes up with an idea to change directions.
mrsilkworm@piefed.social · 20 pts · 199d
I would like to say, how the tables have turned. But I would wish for any country to have the fate of Greece after the GFC. Whatever the headlines and the numbers may say, Greeks havent recovered financially since 2008.
Working conditions are completely shit, the lowest collective bargaining, worst housing crisis in EU, 6 days weeks, 13 hours of work per day, pension at 67, highest tax burden in the EU, 2and to last in PPP and many more.
I can't understand why would anyone take Greece as an example to adapt fir their workers
avidamoeba@lemmy.ca · 9 pts · 199d
Well all of this is pretty good for larger business owners. Merz is a rich pro-business guy. They take a part of every hour worked by workers in their firms, or firms they invest directly/indirectly in, more hours worked - more profit collected. So they'd directly benefit from Greece-like working conditions.
phoenixz@lemmy.ca · 18 pts · 199d
So we all need to work 14 hours a day to find the rich?
Fuck that shit, fuck the rich, I want wealth caps. Nobody should be able to have a networth of over 1 million dollars, anything income beyond that should go to taxes. Everyone can now be the same
Fanmion@discuss.tchncs.de · -16 pts · 199d
So you want your country deciding how to spend that money? 🤣
Don_alForno@feddit.org · 20 pts · 198d
Why yes, I would very much prefer a democratically legitimized government to decide on how to use the wealth we generate instead of who's doing it today: A neo-feudalist class of hereditary billionaires who rule like absolutist monarchs.
Fanmion@discuss.tchncs.de · 0 pts · 198d
So you like for example the president of usa to decide those money? He is democratically elected and his goverment is legitimized
Don_alForno@feddit.org · 5 pts · 198d
Highly debatable, but let's assume he is for the sake of the argument.
The thing is, if people like Thiel, Musk, Bezos and Zuckerberg didn't have the fortunes (and media power) they have, people like Trump would not be elected. This excessive wealth is actively harming democracy, and Trump is actually the prime example of why these billionaires must be taxed into nonexistence.
But yes, if I had to choose between a rock and a hard place, I would pick the bad elected president to control federal funds until the next election over the bad billionaire to just own this fortune until he dies.
BigShammy80@feddit.org · 14 pts · 198d
Just shut the fuck up!
lath@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 199d
These botches want 6 days of work like we ain't got a life or something.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 198d
its so people cant be politically active, if you are all tired, for any progressive measure.
regdog@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 199d
He is 1 dick
jlow@discuss.tchncs.de · 9 pts · 199d
Maybe he could start with himself? Stop whining about others and do something productive for the first time in his life?
atro_city@fedia.io · 6 pts · 199d
Soon Merz is going to stand up there with a whip, in a full dom suit, shouting that the peons have to work or get lashes.
trollercoaster@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 199d
He won't do the whipping himself. That would be hard work. Merz and his ilk don't work. They have others work for their wealth and only pretend they're doing it all by themselves.
greenbit@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 198d
Politicians: "we need to make this problem worse"
Pip@feddit.org · 5 pts · 199d
Germans might work more if they pay lower income tax and contributions on salaries. Why not tax income from sales of financial products more to make up for it?
huppakee@piefed.social · 6 pts · 199d
We have this situation in the Netherlands, i don't know the numbers exactly but if you work 3 days a week and want to work another day your monthly salary doesn't grow by 33% but only by 10 or 15% or so because of all kinds of different taxes. Why would you work what feels a lot more, if in return you only get back what feels a very little.
plyth@feddit.org · 3 pts · 199d
Merz is wasting time. It is now that Europe would need to invest massively in automation and the skills to develop it on their own. Once the US have a sufficiant gap, and have locked down copyright again, Europe will be incapable of closing the AI intelligence gap. Without a usable offer, nobody will use European AI which means there is no training data to develop their models, and no profits to finance development. Then Europe will be forever dependend on US technology, like any third world country that couldn't close the technological gap to the West.
Vinylraupe@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 198d
Okay so this is how you bait communists takes notes