How else will he eventually stop a war, then? You think he'd be able to stop wars he isn't even involved in, if he can't even stop starting them himself?
Well, you see. If Trump gets enough US soldiers killed, or as he called them, suckers and losers, there will be less demand for products and prices will go down. Checkmate, economists!
I did the calculation and not factoring any fuel, ammo or maintenance, or the missiles that shit them down, each of these planes was worth about 7,500 years of healthcare for a single person
Why would the people at the top of this circus care about a measley $300M when they can just tax the poor and cut essential social services in order to expand the military budget an extra $500B?
You mean that if I somehow collect 350mio you know about a scheme that would keep me alive and well for 7.5k years? I see the appeal of being filthy rich now…
You're absolutely right, that was indeed a friendly American f-15 plane we shot down. Would you like me to make a note not to shoot friendly planes in the future? ⚡ 💪
Heh, amateurs. You do not put such important orders in the prompt or other context that gets constantly compacted (and thus fuzzy). Fix your LLM client.
(Or... Maybe, I don't know, put some guard rails in cold hard traditional non-vobe-code to begin with?)
With these knuckleheads running things, you can expect a lot more friendly fire incidents. Don't worry, though, they're all Biden's fault. Or Obama's. Or Bill Clinton's. Or Hillary's.
It's not that impressive considering it came into service after Vietnam which is the last time the US faced an enemy with a real air force and effective air defenses. Not to mention the fact that the cheaper more numerous F16 has been the real work horse (and cannon fodder) of the USAF since then.
I am not aware of any F-15s having been shot down in any way before today. They blow up by themselves or snap in two sometimes but that's par for the course for any fighter jet.
Just did a quick search, and it looks like a handful were shot down during desert storm. Interestingly, 1 was shot down via sidewinder accidentally fired by a wingman during training. So, I guess the true statement should be, "never lost a dogfight?"
Vietnam had tons of them, enough to force F-4s to get gun pods since missiles were not ready.
Pretty sure there were dogfights in Iraq vs Iran and India vs Pakistan conflicts.
The lack of dogfights in USA's last wars are due to overwhelming differences in numbers leading to the weaker air force trying to avoid confrontation in general.
If stealth really works it certainly will favor dogfights versus bvr combat.
Yeah the two gulf of Sidra incidents in 1980s are the only time US pilots have seen actual "dog fighting" since Vietnam.
Each fight lasted seconds and only involved only two aircraft on each side but because they're the only aerial fight the US has had post-Vietnam these two incidents are treated like the Battle of Midway or something. lol
Entire fucking books have been written on them, tactical "strategies" and techniques developed on them. Even had goddamn movies (Top Gun) made to commemorate these shoot down incidents. lol
Thanks, I didn't know. I just sort of picked up that "never shot down" thing... like... maybe over the last few decades? And when I googled the AI vomited up all 5673 windshield incidents, etc
I am all aboard the Keynesian train, government spending stimulates the economy for sure. Could we maybe try spending the money on roads, bridges, education, healthcare, or even just a stupidly huge purposeless gigantic monument instead of engaging in fucking omnicide
This may be Kuwaiti protest against US operations there. Kuwaiti air defense friendly fire is official Pentagon claim, and 3 starts to break the coincidence explanation. While propaganda narratives are that all of the Gulf states are about to go full zionazi against Iran, they generally do not want to get hit more than to eliminate Iran. Abu Dhabi stationed US planes fleeing the region is sign of quiet cooperation with Iran to remove targets on their back.
There is zero likelihood of Iran flying F-15s. They were sold F14s in the 1970s. They would have sold them for parts on black market, 100% certainty. I stand by my unofficial narrative.
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inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world · 110 pts · 186d
So how is this supposed to bring prices down again?
AbsolutelyNotAVelociraptor@piefed.social · 88 pts · 186d
I don't know, but how's the DOW?
ThePantser@sh.itjust.works · 41 pts · 186d
Down another 500 as of today.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 21 pts · 186d
Does that mean we can start caring about raping children again?
PhoenixDog@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 186d
Phrasing.
Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 186d
Ouch. Lol. Another case of friendly fire. A self inflicted wound.
dan1101@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 186d
Then this country is moving in the wrong direction. Smh. Because of the Dow. /s
Bonifratz@piefed.zip · 9 pts · 186d
Dunno about that, but the DoW is alive and well, fulfilling its purpose.
floofloof@lemmy.ca · 16 pts · 186d
Funny how the "peace President" needed a Department of War and a whole lot of war.
elvith@feddit.org · 2 pts · 186d
How else will he eventually stop a war, then? You think he'd be able to stop wars he isn't even involved in, if he can't even stop starting them himself?
Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz · 2 pts · 185d
Lmao its like 48 thou
inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 186d
I think n AG Karen said it was over 9000 dollars.
freedom@lemy.lol · 1 pts · 185d
Did her hair start glowing at any point?
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 20 pts · 186d
How much does a fighter jet cost? A thousand dollars?
ClanOfTheOcho@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 186d
About the same as a banana
floofloof@lemmy.ca · 8 pts · 186d
I knew grocery prices were bad but this is getting ridiculous.
not_that_guy05@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 186d
F-15 or bananas the choice is yours.
Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 186d
I'm sorry, we have no bananas today.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 186d
Three thousand dollars?
mcv@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 186d
What!? But fighter jets can be built in America.
Sculptor9157@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 186d
It used to cost 7MM Pepsi Points, but was raised to 700MM Pepsi Points.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 185d
dammit i only have 699MM pepsi points
HootinNHollerin@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 186d
The dollar is no longer the reserve currency. We’re onto Doll Hairs now
sylver_dragon@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 186d
Well, you see. If Trump gets enough US soldiers killed, or as he called them, suckers and losers, there will be less demand for products and prices will go down. Checkmate, economists!
Voyajer@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 186d
Down?
remon@ani.social · 11 pts · 186d
You know, like the F-15s.
gmtom@lemmy.world · 82 pts · 186d
I did the calculation and not factoring any fuel, ammo or maintenance, or the missiles that shit them down, each of these planes was worth about 7,500 years of healthcare for a single person
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world · 29 pts · 186d
About $300 million dollars shot down.
“Oops.”
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 17 pts · 186d
Why would the people at the top of this circus care about a measley $300M when they can just tax the poor and cut essential social services in order to expand the military budget an extra $500B?
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 186d
They don’t bother taxing more yet, they just print more money and drive inflation up. We still end up poorer and they get their toys.
hector@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 185d
By coincidence the amount they would lose by taking greenland. The arms contractors.
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 10 pts · 186d
What about the cost to train the LLM that identified the jets as targets?
floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 185d
That one is measured in Celsius, not dollars
daychilde@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 185d
What a terrible way to go for those planes, though. :(
a4ng3l@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 186d
You mean that if I somehow collect 350mio you know about a scheme that would keep me alive and well for 7.5k years? I see the appeal of being filthy rich now…
baltakatei@sopuli.xyz · 44 pts · 186d
Missile striking aircraft: My tax dollars in action
Aircraft being struck by missile: Also my tax dollars in action
yakko@feddit.uk · 7 pts · 185d
Aircraft downed by friendly fire: My tax dollars out of action
queermunist@lemmy.ml · 29 pts · 186d
"""Friendly fire incident"""
Ironfist79@lemmy.world · 38 pts · 186d
Let me guess, Claude said to shoot them down.
Orygin@sh.itjust.works · 36 pts · 186d
elvith@feddit.org · 3 pts · 186d
Heh, amateurs. You do not put such important orders in the prompt or other context that gets constantly compacted (and thus fuzzy). Fix your LLM client.
(Or... Maybe, I don't know, put some guard rails in cold hard traditional non-vobe-code to begin with?)
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 186d
Had to be Grok or ChatGPT. Claude got fired from the DoD because autonomous target acquisition was one of Anthropic's redlines...
ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net · 8 pts · 186d
Worst kind of friendly fire. The unfriendly one.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 5 pts · 186d
With these knuckleheads running things, you can expect a lot more friendly fire incidents. Don't worry, though, they're all Biden's fault. Or Obama's. Or Bill Clinton's. Or Hillary's.
Mirshe@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 186d
Potentially actual misidentification. Iran flies a mix of Soviet, American and European aircraft, including a decent amount of F-14 Tomcats.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 185d
i clicked right here friendly fire off. what the hell grok
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca · 23 pts · 185d
Holy fucking shit, the "never shot down in combat" streak of the F-15 is over?
bold_atlas@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 185d
It's not that impressive considering it came into service after Vietnam which is the last time the US faced an enemy with a real air force and effective air defenses. Not to mention the fact that the cheaper more numerous F16 has been the real work horse (and cannon fodder) of the USAF since then.
jason@discuss.online · 3 pts · 185d
That's for air to air.
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 185d
I am not aware of any F-15s having been shot down in any way before today. They blow up by themselves or snap in two sometimes but that's par for the course for any fighter jet.
jason@discuss.online · 7 pts · 185d
Just did a quick search, and it looks like a handful were shot down during desert storm. Interestingly, 1 was shot down via sidewinder accidentally fired by a wingman during training. So, I guess the true statement should be, "never lost a dogfight?"
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 185d
when was the last dogfight tho, ww1?
freeman@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 185d
Vietnam had tons of them, enough to force F-4s to get gun pods since missiles were not ready.
Pretty sure there were dogfights in Iraq vs Iran and India vs Pakistan conflicts.
The lack of dogfights in USA's last wars are due to overwhelming differences in numbers leading to the weaker air force trying to avoid confrontation in general.
If stealth really works it certainly will favor dogfights versus bvr combat.
bold_atlas@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 185d
Yeah the two gulf of Sidra incidents in 1980s are the only time US pilots have seen actual "dog fighting" since Vietnam.
Each fight lasted seconds and only involved only two aircraft on each side but because they're the only aerial fight the US has had post-Vietnam these two incidents are treated like the Battle of Midway or something. lol
Entire fucking books have been written on them, tactical "strategies" and techniques developed on them. Even had goddamn movies (Top Gun) made to commemorate these shoot down incidents. lol
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 185d
Thanks, I didn't know. I just sort of picked up that "never shot down" thing... like... maybe over the last few decades? And when I googled the AI vomited up all 5673 windshield incidents, etc
Sturgist@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 184d
The future is now! 🌈
WanderWisley@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 185d
Oh good I’m sure this will help lower the price of groceries and gas.
brynden_rivers_esq@lemmy.ca · 17 pts · 185d
But hey, on the plus side, that means US tax dollars will have to be spent replacing these planes and that will increase GDP!
ebolapie@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 185d
I am all aboard the Keynesian train, government spending stimulates the economy for sure. Could we maybe try spending the money on roads, bridges, education, healthcare, or even just a stupidly huge purposeless gigantic monument instead of engaging in fucking omnicide
brynden_rivers_esq@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 185d
lol no way bro. There's nothing more productive that an overengineered overpriced overpowered tool of destruction!
slaps roof of f-15 this baby here can fit so much omnicide in it.
Wilco@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 185d
Let's talk about its fuel consumption! Sixty seconds of afterburner takes more fuel that an average minivan would if it drove around the entire world.
brynden_rivers_esq@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 185d
And won't that make you feel like a MAN!? HELL yeah!
hayvan@piefed.world · 17 pts · 186d
Idiocracy in action.
mattyroses@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 185d
Idiocracy is a utopia compared to this
hayvan@piefed.world · 1 pts · 185d
Sorry, I need to clarify I mena real life idiocracy, not the the film Idiocracy which is way better than real world indeed.
Gates9@sh.itjust.works · 13 pts · 186d
Yeah right and those two jets just fell off the USS Harry Truman last year, accidents happen! 🤷♂️
finallymadeanaccount@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 185d
Well, in bad lighting, they can look like Venezuelan fishing boats, so ...
UnspecificGravity@piefed.social · 10 pts · 186d
Proper IFF and allied coordination is too woke for Petey.
Glytch@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 185d
They've replaced IFF with Grok so why would they need to coordinate with allies?
vga@sopuli.xyz · 10 pts · 186d
Great allies there. Did they forget to inform Kuwait about the action?
DarkFuture@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 186d
I'd say "call in the clowns" but we already did that.
Disgrace of a nation.
LoafedBurrito@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 185d
Donald Trump's fault. All of this is his fault.
quinkin@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 185d
With some friendly fire, that's a funny term, like civil war.
-- Sage Francis
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 185d
The bullets send kisses.
OriginEnergySux@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 185d
Kuwait right now
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 4 pts · 186d
Lemme guess... AI was involved...
harrys_balzac@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 185d
US military is striving for Russia-level military (in)competency.
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca · -1 pts · 185d
Oh yes LOL so incompetent, please tell me why we need NATO then? Is it for the group hugs or the macaroni salad recipes?
m3t00@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 185d
Kuwait probably had their twitter account banned or they might have known
kokesh@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 186d
More please
electric_nan@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 185d
Too bad the pilots are okay.
NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io · -3 pts · 186d
Would hoping the pilots died or were permanently disabled get someone banned here? Asking for a friend.
humanspiral@lemmy.ca · -4 pts · 186d
This may be Kuwaiti protest against US operations there. Kuwaiti air defense friendly fire is official Pentagon claim, and 3 starts to break the coincidence explanation. While propaganda narratives are that all of the Gulf states are about to go full zionazi against Iran, they generally do not want to get hit more than to eliminate Iran. Abu Dhabi stationed US planes fleeing the region is sign of quiet cooperation with Iran to remove targets on their back.
testaccount372920@piefed.zip · 1 pts · 186d
Probably just a mistake, especially likely since Iran also had (or used to have?) F-15s of their own. Still really bad communications wise.
humanspiral@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 186d
There is zero likelihood of Iran flying F-15s. They were sold F14s in the 1970s. They would have sold them for parts on black market, 100% certainty. I stand by my unofficial narrative.
testaccount372920@piefed.zip · 1 pts · 185d
Ah, I probably mixed up F-14s and F-15s