And when they let yet another company do a game in the series as a one-off, it became widely regarded as the best title in the series post Bethesda acquisition.
Have you played many of their original settings? I thought they'd be different. They're all passingly interesting but haven't really stuck in my head quite the same way
It's kind of a ship of Theseus situation, the writing from early TES games (and the writers too I'm assuming) isn't the same as later ones. Making a more approachable game comes with sacrifices too.
They also looked a wee bit different from Bethesda's entries.
The fact that ‘Fallout’ 3/4 are in any way good after having been acquired by a different company and made in a different paradigm is a damn unicorn in the gaming world.
Let’s rely on the modding community to fix our broken mess that’s riddled with game breaking bugs then release a patch 10 years later that breaks all mods.
This is why I was so mad about Starfield, on its own merits it's a perfectly mediocre game that I nearly enjoyed for about 15-20 hours, but the instant I booted it up I realized it was still on the same mf engine they used for Fallout 4. Whole game plays like a high quality F4 mod. I was mad as hell, that was the one thing I was actually somewhat excited for about Starfield was that the space setting and new IP might actually give them the opportunity to cook up a new game engine.
At this point I'm expecting to see ES6 come out on yet another further Frankensteined iteration of this crusty bitch and I'm just going to laugh about it. I've lost hope that it'll get better and there's a slim chance I might get pleasantly surprised.
The "infinite" replay ability was cheap to, i have 300h in it but after the sixt playthrough the gimick was over, The whole main story is just an excuse to keep you playing
We can also look at this from the other direction. The fact that they provided the tools to all of us, and let Fallout London be made and distributed is huge. You may not be grateful for that, but I am.
Has any other company done such a thing on that level? I really don't know.
The dialogue system, with basically 4 ways to say the same thing, with different emotional states?
Terrible.
You wanna do something like that?
Take notes from Deus Ex. Give actual meaningfully different choices and dialog, that lets you actually reflect yourself, your decisions, your pov, or what your idea of the character is... you know, roleplaying.
The world is basically also not great... a few kind of neat world/lore ideas, a lot that suck and/or contradict previous canon in ways that are just stupid, tropey, or in some cases break significant chunks of the universe.
I honestly never even cared for Skyrim, I was hoping it would be more like Morrowind, instead it was even less like Morrowind than Oblivion, barely played it.
Fallout 3?
Well, story was kind of notorious for having to retcon itself in order to make post-endgame anything even possible, and of course your supermutant companion who could easily tank the radiation damage just won't let you sever the thread of destiny or whatever.
It had some good spots, but also a fair deal of just not well thought out things: How in the hell does Lamplight cave just have an ongoing society of only children, thats been going on that way for nearly 200 years?
Well not too much for Starfield. Back when they announced it they were comments about how their engine isn't good enough to pull off the things they were promising. It's why I didn't pre-order it.
Yes that is absolutely a valid way of approaching the problem although you do then sometimes run into the problem that the game you're trying to play is no longer supported (service been shut down left and right).
I also think it's a bit unnecessary, by all means play the classics if that's what you're into, but if you're doing it to save money, it's not as if there aren't high quality indie games being made right now, so it's not like you have to just play old games to be frugal.
I got it as soon as I got a GPU that could comfortably run it... because it was bundled with said GPU. I did activate the key but never bothered to actually install it. Maybe later in case the handful of modders actually make something cool in there.
I was kinda interested before launch, hoping that this would be the game to finally force them to meaningfully overhaul the engine they've been carrying around since Morrowind (with some bugs dating back to then). Of course it wasn't and of course they didn't.
As a child their games where always too difficult for me, so I preferred Lucas Arts adventures but looking back at them now they had some real gems. Games with... soul
55 Comments
real_squids@sopuli.xyz · 87 pts · 164d
Probably helps that they got one of those worlds from another company
rumschlumpel@feddit.org · 70 pts · 164d
And when they let yet another company do a game in the series as a one-off, it became widely regarded as the best title in the series post Bethesda acquisition.
Remember_the_tooth@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 164d
What game was that?
U7826391786239@piefed.zip · 53 pts · 164d
kittenzrulz123@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 7 pts · 164d
One of their games was made by another company entirely but now they're making other worlds outside them
sad_detective_man@sopuli.xyz · 5 pts · 164d
Have you played many of their original settings? I thought they'd be different. They're all passingly interesting but haven't really stuck in my head quite the same way
real_squids@sopuli.xyz · 6 pts · 163d
It's kind of a ship of Theseus situation, the writing from early TES games (and the writers too I'm assuming) isn't the same as later ones. Making a more approachable game comes with sacrifices too.
Ging@anarchist.nexus · 4 pts · 164d
wait, which one?
mult@sh.itjust.works · 16 pts · 164d
The first Fallout game was made by Interplay and second one by Black Isle, Interplay's in-house dev studio.
SlurpingPus@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 163d
They also looked a wee bit different from Bethesda's entries.
The fact that ‘Fallout’ 3/4 are in any way good after having been acquired by a different company and made in a different paradigm is a damn unicorn in the gaming world.
FerretyFever0@fedia.io · 1 pts · 159d
3 is a bit boring, but 4 did several things right.
Broadfern@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 164d
Fallout
MutantTailThing@lemmy.world · 69 pts · 164d
Let’s rely on the modding community to fix our broken mess that’s riddled with game breaking bugs then release a patch 10 years later that breaks all mods.
Butterpaderp@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 163d
Jokes on you, starfield has paid mods. Now they can't even get that right.
XaetaCore@lemmy.neondystopia.world · 3 pts · 164d
skulblaka@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 163d
This is why I was so mad about Starfield, on its own merits it's a perfectly mediocre game that I nearly enjoyed for about 15-20 hours, but the instant I booted it up I realized it was still on the same mf engine they used for Fallout 4. Whole game plays like a high quality F4 mod. I was mad as hell, that was the one thing I was actually somewhat excited for about Starfield was that the space setting and new IP might actually give them the opportunity to cook up a new game engine.
At this point I'm expecting to see ES6 come out on yet another further Frankensteined iteration of this crusty bitch and I'm just going to laugh about it. I've lost hope that it'll get better and there's a slim chance I might get pleasantly surprised.
XaetaCore@lemmy.neondystopia.world · 2 pts · 162d
The "infinite" replay ability was cheap to, i have 300h in it but after the sixt playthrough the gimick was over, The whole main story is just an excuse to keep you playing
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 162d
We can also look at this from the other direction. The fact that they provided the tools to all of us, and let Fallout London be made and distributed is huge. You may not be grateful for that, but I am.
Has any other company done such a thing on that level? I really don't know.
nul9o9@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 43 pts · 164d
Stories is debatable now.
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 33 pts · 163d
I mean, they stopped having good stories and worlds 10 years ago.
Greenbeard@lemmy.zip · 12 pts · 163d
Weird how that only includes Fallout 76 and Starfield
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 12 pts · 163d
I forgot how old I am / what year it is.
So yeah, as VerilyFemme says, its actually worse.
Fallout 4's story is awful.
The dialogue system, with basically 4 ways to say the same thing, with different emotional states?
Terrible.
You wanna do something like that?
Take notes from Deus Ex. Give actual meaningfully different choices and dialog, that lets you actually reflect yourself, your decisions, your pov, or what your idea of the character is... you know, roleplaying.
The world is basically also not great... a few kind of neat world/lore ideas, a lot that suck and/or contradict previous canon in ways that are just stupid, tropey, or in some cases break significant chunks of the universe.
I honestly never even cared for Skyrim, I was hoping it would be more like Morrowind, instead it was even less like Morrowind than Oblivion, barely played it.
Fallout 3?
Well, story was kind of notorious for having to retcon itself in order to make post-endgame anything even possible, and of course your supermutant companion who could easily tank the radiation damage just won't let you sever the thread of destiny or whatever.
It had some good spots, but also a fair deal of just not well thought out things: How in the hell does Lamplight cave just have an ongoing society of only children, thats been going on that way for nearly 200 years?
VerilyFemme@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 9 pts · 163d
good stories: 20 years past
good worlds: 18 years past
just imo
U7826391786239@piefed.zip · 32 pts · 164d
echodot@feddit.uk · 15 pts · 164d
Well not too much for Starfield. Back when they announced it they were comments about how their engine isn't good enough to pull off the things they were promising. It's why I didn't pre-order it.
U7826391786239@piefed.zip · 11 pts · 164d
BurntWits@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 163d
You may like !patientgamers@sh.itjust.works
U7826391786239@piefed.zip · 5 pts · 163d
echodot@feddit.uk · 1 pts · 163d
Yes that is absolutely a valid way of approaching the problem although you do then sometimes run into the problem that the game you're trying to play is no longer supported (service been shut down left and right).
I also think it's a bit unnecessary, by all means play the classics if that's what you're into, but if you're doing it to save money, it's not as if there aren't high quality indie games being made right now, so it's not like you have to just play old games to be frugal.
SlurpingPus@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 163d
Don't worry, I know of good new indie games, and I'm not playing those either.
U7826391786239@piefed.zip · 0 pts · 163d
Jesus_666@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 164d
I got it as soon as I got a GPU that could comfortably run it... because it was bundled with said GPU. I did activate the key but never bothered to actually install it. Maybe later in case the handful of modders actually make something cool in there.
I was kinda interested before launch, hoping that this would be the game to finally force them to meaningfully overhaul the engine they've been carrying around since Morrowind (with some bugs dating back to then). Of course it wasn't and of course they didn't.
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 162d
Starfield is the Song that Never Ends from Barney.
Monotonous, boring, annoying, loops back into itself, overstays its welcome, may potentially drive you insane with too much consistent exposure.
Tiresia@slrpnk.net · -3 pts · 163d
Imagine needing reasons not to pre-order. I bet you pay more than €30 for games too...
echodot@feddit.uk · 5 pts · 163d
Is that supposed to be some sort of personality failing?
msage@programming.dev · 0 pts · 163d
Paying 60 dollars for modern shit AAA games is a personality failing in my book. As well as preordering any game.
Early access is borderline acceptable under certain conditions.
echodot@feddit.uk · 3 pts · 162d
But I didn't pre-order it did I?
I'm really not sure what you're upset about.
msage@programming.dev · 0 pts · 162d
Buying those games make the companies correct that gamers will buy any slop they serve.
That's why gaming today looks like it does. People put their money to the worst companies, rewarding their vile behaviour.
Damarus@feddit.org · 13 pts · 164d
Diablo is a Blizzard IP
U7826391786239@piefed.zip · 14 pts · 164d
Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 163d
I remember being excited for Diablo 3 💀
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 163d
They weren't excited for Diablo 4 for the world and story, though.
affenlehrer@feddit.org · 1 pts · 164d
Ultima Online LOL
U7826391786239@piefed.zip · 4 pts · 164d
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 2 pts · 164d
It ain't even Bethesda's now. EA bought them, not Bethesda, or ZeniMax, or Microsoft.
U7826391786239@piefed.zip · 2 pts · 164d
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 3 pts · 164d
Yep. And their management is ultimately what led Richard Garriot to quit.
U7826391786239@piefed.zip · 3 pts · 164d
affenlehrer@feddit.org · 2 pts · 164d
As a child their games where always too difficult for me, so I preferred Lucas Arts adventures but looking back at them now they had some real gems. Games with... soul
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 1 pts · 164d
UO was pretty popular and good up until EA bought Origin in 2004.
davidgro@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 164d
The monkey's paw makes a shrug motion.
yakko@feddit.uk · 6 pts · 164d
That monkey's paw crossed its fingers, they barely make games anymore.
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 163d
I'm picturing something like Thing.
tgirlschierke@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 12 pts · 163d
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 163d
VerilyFemme@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 7 pts · 164d
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prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 7 pts · 163d
I mean, I guess this is true if you've never read a book before...
The_Surviv0r@sh.itjust.works · 17 pts · 163d
Yeah they should have read great hits like The Lusty Argonian Maid!
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 163d
It was always a pleasure to see that in Oblivion and Skyrim. Is that the only book in the series where you've met the writer in one of the games?
GamingChairModel@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 163d
I tried reading a book once, but the controls were too fiddly and my progress through the main quest was too slow.
Bonsoir@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 163d
There was no repeatable sidequests too. Where's the replayability?
Restaldt@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 163d
And thus choose your own adventure books are reborn
GamingChairModel@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 163d
Also fiddly controls.
webp@mander.xyz · 2 pts · 163d
Just reload previous save states