the sun might be responssible for life, but the full moon was responsible for getting me laid. (and the wine, and the really nice dinner... and uh. some other stuff.) (it certainly wasn't my ability to flirt.)
I thought clanker was for Ai? I really like that term for it, a modern version. It dont fit for people. Historically a clanker would be thought of as a broken beat old car, or maybe, some other broken down machinery. no?
Wait, there's a ton of religions, most of which think that they're the ones with the one immutable truth?
Then none of them are right, or it would be obvious.
I still spent years with Christian apologia and god-in-the-gaps nonsense but at least my personal moral and religious development was rooted in doubt rather than faith.
Somehow both of my parents were disappointed in my atheism.
theres tons of scientific conclusions about a certain thing as well, so all of them must be false? what, if, one was right and the rest were wrong, as we can observe?
We can observe that scientifically using evidence. By the same process, we observe no gods at all, just a bunch of humans lying to get what they think they want.
Do people make false claims and pretend they got their scientifically? Yes. But here's the neat part: honest science can correct those lies. Science is a process we use to approach truth, not an authority. If someone misrepresents their results or decides their conclusion before examining the evidence, they are not performing science.
With science, unlike religion, there are measurable standards grounded in observable reality. We can consistently arrive at similar results even if we don't fully understand them.
Correct. Whereas your approach is "just make up whatever I like and pretend it's true." You have invented false evidence, and rejected or distorted legitimate evidence, all so you can keep playing death cultist with a clean conscience.
Fuck you for choosing death.
I can only hope that what goes around, comes around.
You have no idea the suffering you are choosing for innocent people.
Where does "John Travolta is coming to invade earth in a few hundred years so you have to give me enough money to tell you the entire story of his alien race" fit in?
I was reading a Korean web novel. It was comedy smut tower climbing thing. I picked it up because the pliy sounded ridiculous and I wanted something stupid to read.
There was a mission about resolving a religious war. The main character somehow tricked both sides into thinking they were the decended god.
Both sides worshipped the same god. Dialects and translations changed the name and nobody compared the books because one side was a bunch of fanatics that took the teachings extremely literally. Including something like 99 commandments.
At the very end she blew my mind with some BS they spat about they love all of humanity because everyone is flawed. The commandments are there so you know how flawed you are. They don't force faith because that's not freedom.
I think that's how it should be. I believe in freedom of religion. Anything that brings you peace and makes you a better person.
The issue is always when faith is used to sin. Enforcing your beliefs on others, infringing on thier freedom, taking money/assets. The list goes on.
I'm not an atheist. I'm agnostic.
::: spoiler The webnovel you don't want to read. Just no. Don't do it. It's ridiculous.
Imo freedom from religion is more important than freedom of religion. When a religion seeks to control people it should not be allowed as part of society anymore.
The current incarnation is economics, which filled the control mechanism void vacated by religion after the Enlightenment. A bunch of arbitrary rules, conjured out of thin air by the ruling class, protected from scrutiny, and imposed upon the masses.
Churches and cathedrals replaced with banks and financial institutions.
Priests and clergy replaced with economists and finance officers.
Mythology replaced with finance.
God replaced with GDP.
This is not to claim religion and economics shouldn’t play a part in society, they can help with social cohesion and unifying groups for a common goal. My argument is that they should be subservient to the will and needs of the society they exist within, not positioned as their current dictatorial role of casting the societal mould.
Well, what with all that bowing and scraping in front of the holy stones, the smaller stone would sometimes fall off of the big one. That style of worship was thus called "rock and roll".
I remember a lecture long time ago about history of religion and it mentioned rocks, trees and flowers as examples of animism. But my major was very far from that topic, so don't quote me on that.
59 Comments
SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world · 66 pts · 178d
This is why I worship the Sun. It's actually there and is provably responsible for all life.
JoMiran@lemmy.ml · 23 pts · 178d
FrowingFostek@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 178d
Of course you do, you're a space noodle. Whatelse would you worship?
FuglyDuck@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 178d
the sun might be responssible for life, but the full moon was responsible for getting me laid. (and the wine, and the really nice dinner... and uh. some other stuff.) (it certainly wasn't my ability to flirt.)
bottleofchips@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 11 pts · 178d
Just out of interest - apropos of nothing you understand - did it hit your eye like a big pizza pie?
SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 178d
No, that was a moray (eel).
Rhaedas@fedia.io · 7 pts · 178d
But don't pray to it. Pray to Joe Pesci. He gets things done.
Knossos@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 178d
I appreciate the reference. RIP
SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 178d
IDK, the Sun is older and meaner.
U7826391786239@piefed.zip · 45 pts · 178d
sad_detective_man@sopuli.xyz · 23 pts · 178d
I want to point out another stage: Sexy Post-Religion
Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 7 pts · 178d
So.. A sexy religion that worships mail carriers? 😛
sad_detective_man@sopuli.xyz · 6 pts · 178d
kittenzrulz123@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 178d
I prefer the religion dedicated to the worship of the curiour /ref
Someonelol@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 178d
So a Ghost concert. I'd get onboard with that.
Lemminary@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 177d
Dayum, I'm hard.
deegeese@sopuli.xyz · 13 pts · 178d
All these clankers still worship magic rocks.
Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 178d
I thought clanker was for Ai? I really like that term for it, a modern version. It dont fit for people. Historically a clanker would be thought of as a broken beat old car, or maybe, some other broken down machinery. no?
Pat_Riot@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 178d
I think the word you're looking for is clunker
Pronell@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 178d
My journey was:
Wait, there's a ton of religions, most of which think that they're the ones with the one immutable truth?
Then none of them are right, or it would be obvious.
I still spent years with Christian apologia and god-in-the-gaps nonsense but at least my personal moral and religious development was rooted in doubt rather than faith.
Somehow both of my parents were disappointed in my atheism.
Strider@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 178d
Of course they were. Otherwise they'd have to admit to believing bullshit all their life.
zarkanian@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 177d
Why would it be obvious?
IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf · -2 pts · 47d
theres tons of scientific conclusions about a certain thing as well, so all of them must be false?
what, if, one was right and the rest were wrong, as we can observe?
SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today · 0 pts · 34d
We can observe that scientifically using evidence. By the same process, we observe no gods at all, just a bunch of humans lying to get what they think they want.
Do people make false claims and pretend they got their scientifically? Yes. But here's the neat part: honest science can correct those lies. Science is a process we use to approach truth, not an authority. If someone misrepresents their results or decides their conclusion before examining the evidence, they are not performing science.
With science, unlike religion, there are measurable standards grounded in observable reality. We can consistently arrive at similar results even if we don't fully understand them.
IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf · 0 pts · 34d
well, the scientific method must be used to prove, not disprove so you cannot scientifically disprove God's existence.
And can I have the procedure you are following to "observe no God"?
SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 34d
That's exactly it. We use our best means to look, and we do not see god. We do see people making shit up.
This is not complicated. Try being consistent in your values.
Do you believe in Allah? There is just as much evidence for him as for Yahweh (none at all).
IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf · 0 pts · 34d
"best means"
SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 34d
Correct. Whereas your approach is "just make up whatever I like and pretend it's true." You have invented false evidence, and rejected or distorted legitimate evidence, all so you can keep playing death cultist with a clean conscience.
Fuck you for choosing death.
I can only hope that what goes around, comes around.
You have no idea the suffering you are choosing for innocent people.
IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf · 0 pts · 34d
where have I done that?
alekwithak@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 178d
And then "people in the sky but further away" followed by "people from another dimension"
tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 178d
Where does "John Travolta is coming to invade earth in a few hundred years so you have to give me enough money to tell you the entire story of his alien race" fit in?
stupidcasey@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 178d
Yes, when you grow up you worship Sol the sun god.
zarkanian@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 177d
Dude...the sun is real.
Lemminary@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 177d
Oh yeah? Prove it!
Drekaridill@lemmy.wtf · 10 pts · 178d
I'm still on step 2. My magic animals demand I feed them.
Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 8 pts · 178d
Same 🤷🏻
osanna@lemmy.vg · 4 pts · 178d
My catties are my idols.
Landless2029@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 178d
I was reading a Korean web novel. It was comedy smut tower climbing thing. I picked it up because the pliy sounded ridiculous and I wanted something stupid to read.
There was a mission about resolving a religious war. The main character somehow tricked both sides into thinking they were the decended god.
Both sides worshipped the same god. Dialects and translations changed the name and nobody compared the books because one side was a bunch of fanatics that took the teachings extremely literally. Including something like 99 commandments.
At the very end she blew my mind with some BS they spat about they love all of humanity because everyone is flawed. The commandments are there so you know how flawed you are. They don't force faith because that's not freedom.
I think that's how it should be. I believe in freedom of religion. Anything that brings you peace and makes you a better person.
The issue is always when faith is used to sin. Enforcing your beliefs on others, infringing on thier freedom, taking money/assets. The list goes on.
I'm not an atheist. I'm agnostic.
::: spoiler The webnovel you don't want to read. Just no. Don't do it. It's ridiculous.
I’ve Become an Onahole, But I’ll Still Climb The Tower
DM me for a link to download a translated rip if you actually want to read it... :::
CXORA@aussie.zone · 8 pts · 178d
Imo freedom from religion is more important than freedom of religion. When a religion seeks to control people it should not be allowed as part of society anymore.
tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 178d
Pls onahole me senpai
nonentity@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 177d
The current incarnation is economics, which filled the control mechanism void vacated by religion after the Enlightenment. A bunch of arbitrary rules, conjured out of thin air by the ruling class, protected from scrutiny, and imposed upon the masses.
This is not to claim religion and economics shouldn’t play a part in society, they can help with social cohesion and unifying groups for a common goal. My argument is that they should be subservient to the will and needs of the society they exist within, not positioned as their current dictatorial role of casting the societal mould.
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 3 pts · 178d
Wait... What was the worship of rocks called?
notabot@piefed.social · 6 pts · 178d
Well, what with all that bowing and scraping in front of the holy stones, the smaller stone would sometimes fall off of the big one. That style of worship was thus called "rock and roll".
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 4 pts · 178d
If rock n roll is a religion, well then, Take me to Church.
Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 178d
Beatlemania
Rusty@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 177d
Animism is an umbrella term for early religions that worship objects and/or animals.
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 2 pts · 177d
Doesn't animism pertain to things that are animate, tho? I thought it was worship of living things in particular.
Rusty@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 177d
I remember a lecture long time ago about history of religion and it mentioned rocks, trees and flowers as examples of animism. But my major was very far from that topic, so don't quote me on that.
Someonelol@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 178d
Bottom left corner people are literally astronauts.
Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 178d
Nah, astronauts come TO the sky
Someonelol@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 178d
Where do they come from when they touch down?
Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 178d
Spacecraft.
brucethemoose@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 178d
Naw, now we’ve cut out the abstraction and worship demagogues directly. :(
Lord743@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 98d
God of gaps
WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 177d
I used to basically worship my friend for some fucking reason. I really believed he could not fuck up.
Ex-friend. Now my "beliefs" are hard to comprehend even, but center around certain values, that I invoke all the time.
Far more real and practical than sky man ever was.
IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf · -1 pts · 47d
strawman fallacy
SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 34d
What's the strawman? You disagree that people worshipped gods?
IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf · 0 pts · 34d
they strawmanned the entire catholic faith to "magical being from sky"
SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 34d
The man in the sky is a metaphor for the unreachable and "higher" nature you claim your god possesses.
Your death cult is founded on baseless claims about magic.