cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/44753763
Apple Support page
Apple rolls out mandatory UK age verification with iOS 26.4, requiring users to provide a credit card or ID, a first in Europe, after UK government pressure
https://www.theverge.com/tech/900284/apple-ios-26-4-uk-age-verification
73 Comments
daggermoon@piefed.world · 83 pts · 157d
The fuck is going on over there?
wewbull@feddit.uk · 45 pts · 157d
We have a government that thinks the population needs to be parented through authoritarian means. The don't understand that even though their intentions might be benign, they are still building the infrastructure of an authoritarian state.
Infernal_pizza@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 58 pts · 157d
You're giving them too much credit. Their intentions are not benign and they are the authoritarian state
wewbull@feddit.uk · 10 pts · 157d
I think some are idiots with benign intentions and some aren't. Your average labour back bencher is an idiot.
mrmaplebar@fedia.io · 10 pts · 156d
From a distance, it all seems very intentional to me.
Tarambor@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 156d
Apple is taking the piss. There is no requirement in the OSA that it age checks be done at device level.
EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 156d
The Brits want what America is having
Libb@piefed.social · 6 pts · 157d
Maybe UK citizen have not yet realized how badly they screwed themselves with Brexit, and they need a second shot of an even sadder reality? Or maybe they've just given up already?
daggermoon@piefed.world · 6 pts · 157d
Why did they want to leave the EU anyway?
Libb@piefed.social · 18 pts · 157d
Beside the handful of real absolute morons/racists/haters (we have similar people in the EU too, they are far from being exclusive to Britain), I consider this an impressive scam that went somewhat completely wrong.
Those promoting Brexit never intended to really leave the EU, that was a mean to grab more power by manipulating the... lesser informed population, and they were indeed quite surprised the day those people, and then a few more with them, actually voted for that Brexit scam. Making them the proud leader of something that was probably never meant to happen. Hence their absolute lack of preparation for it and the shit show that followed for years.
It's also a demonstration of why a failing public educative system is fatal to a working democracy. Uneducated citizen can't vote with their brains, only with their guts. And we all know that what usually comes out of guts is not ideas, right?
Something we can also witness happening in the USA, quite obviously, but also in most countries in the EU even in my dear own France. Sadly.
Darleys_Brew@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 157d
Most of us didn’t….half the country voted, and a quarter voted leave, having believed the lies of snake oil salesman Nigel Farage and one or two others that the EU was screwing us over somehow, and its “unelected official” weren’t helping. Plus some other bollocks about migrants.
Tarambor@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 156d
Most of us didn’t….half the country voted, and a quarter voted leave
And less than a quarter voted to stay. Also it's only a quarter if you include babies and others ineligible to vote.
valkyre09@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 156d
To be fair I never heard a baby ask to leave the EU, so I can only assume they were happy with the status quo
Tarambor@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 156d
This has nothing to do with Brexit. And I'm struggling to find anything in my daily life where Brexit has had a negative effect. Strangely enough when I ask people how it's affecting their daily life nobody seems to actually come up with an example that has anything to do with Brexit. The most common one is having to use passports to travel to the EU but we always had to do that because the UK wasn't part of Schengen and I can only assume those who bring up that example have never ever left the UK.
zbyte64@awful.systems · 3 pts · 156d
Person unaffected by past bad decisions doesn't see how that's a problem.
BlackLaZoR@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 156d
Most of that surveillance shit wouldn't fly in EU
Tarambor@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 153d
Europe are introducing it, some countries already have before the UK. But thanks for letting us know you've done zero research on the matter.
Wander@sh.itjust.works · -1 pts · 156d
Brits are really weird in the sense they think everything about technology should be controlled to some terrorist and shit. They have no worry about what that level of informational control could do.
1984 should be read in school.
There are only 2 things British people care about 1 is GPS tracking on cars. People hate hate hate the idea that they cannot speed, doesn't matter how many lives it saves they are a good driver and they are always late. Second is ID cards for some really weird reason, passports are find but having an optional ID card is a massive no. I even spoke to people about it and said okay how would it work in practise, what are you scared of? "Well the corrupt police could arrest me and make me show them ID and I couldn't refuse." "So let's say a corrupt police office just came in now arrested you and took you wallet. Are you telling me they couldn't work out who you are from what's in you wallet right now?" "Well they could but I don't NEED all that, I could just be carrying cash" "But you aren't and you never are"
People hate the idea of it. But government want to spy on your conversations, images, location, contacts, what you read, porn. Oh yea go ahead if it means people don't have to turn on the adult filter on the WiFi or on the phone data which come as standard then go ahead. Easy.
BlackLaZoR@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 156d
Authoritarian government.
Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works · 67 pts · 157d
Only moments before the world ends will mankind look back and realize that "won't someone think of the children" was the thing that did us in.
Virtvirt588@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 157d
Like all the previous fascist waves, they all centre around discrimination. It is about taking advantage of the societies inherent discriminatory behavior, in the past this was mainly racism - in this case however, its ageism.
It is the fact that anyone young is treated as a subclass citizen or in fact not even a person. ID laws are examples of fascist unjust laws which consequently invalidate the freedom and speech of young people. Our society rewards infantilization of others, and it shows how truly ignorant and adulcentrist we all are.
Finally, I don't believe all of mankind will look back, as all the cases with fascism is "ignorance is strength", so tracing the problem back to our societal ageism and discrimination will only be done by a select bunch.
mjr@infosec.pub · 26 pts · 157d
And Apple don't accept passports as ID, so complaints are rolling in from non-drivers without current credit cards, who tend to be younger and in big cities. Apple just took a big shot at their foot.
wewbull@feddit.uk · 17 pts · 157d
No, they gave the government another reason for a mandatory government id scheme. Something deeply unpopular with a large part of the population, but that Starmer is devoted to.
Tywele@piefed.social · 9 pts · 157d
As a German, not having a mandatory government ID seems so weird to me.
wewbull@feddit.uk · 13 pts · 157d
I don't like to bring it up, but it was the Germans that convinced us to get rid of them.
mjr@infosec.pub · 2 pts · 156d
And now you have once, do you think you've got away with it, Basil?
ThomasWilliams@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 156d
The ID scheme doesn't require user identification on a device, which would be superfluous.
Tarambor@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 156d
Upon updating their device software, users will be faced with a message which says: "UK law requires you to confirm you are an adult to change content restrictions."
There is no such requirement in UK law that it age checks have to be done on a device level.
Greyghoster@aussie.zone · 23 pts · 157d
Most Apple accounts need a credit card attached. If kids have a phone then it will need a credit card. As you need to be 18 in many countries to get a credit card then for kids to use a phone they will need the parents card. I fail to see how this helps age verification.
Chozo@fedia.io · 43 pts · 157d
That's because these ghouls don't actually care how old you are, they just wanna know what you're doing at all times.
Unpigged@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 157d
Nah, they just want money, is all.
timwa@lemmy.snowgoons.ro · 1 pts · 157d
You think they don't already? Can you even use an iPhone without an Apple ID? I'm fairly sure you couldn't install any apps without one, and if you've ever paid for anything they definitely already have your real data.
mjr@infosec.pub · 2 pts · 157d
Doesn't mean it has the user's ID.
timwa@lemmy.snowgoons.ro · 1 pts · 157d
They know the user's identity - they have the name and home address on the credit card used to pay.
If you mean "it doesn't have the user's ID card", well that's true. But that's mainly because the UK doesn't actually have an ID card or national ID database/reference number, so NO operator in the UK has "the user's ID" in that sense.
mjr@infosec.pub · 2 pts · 157d
The person paying might not be the user, is what I mean. I'm thinking of phones given to younger family members.
umbrella@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 156d
MurrayL@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 157d
That’s just not true, at least in the UK. Debit cards are the standard here, not credit, and they don’t have the same age restrictions.
Greyghoster@aussie.zone · 1 pts · 156d
I’ll have to ask around. My kids are too old to have had the option and the grandkids are too young. 🤔
umbrella@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 157d
Greyghoster@aussie.zone · 1 pts · 156d
I suppose you could operate an iPhone without a credit card but I don’t know how common that would be as it does complicate using the App Store etc.For most people it would be business as usual.
Antaeus@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 157d
If this happens in Denmark/EU. I will say f**k convenience and go graphene, even though it will make my like more complicated
daggermoon@piefed.world · 18 pts · 157d
I use Graphene, it's not that much harder than stock Android. I highly recommended it.
Darleys_Brew@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 157d
But with less ads?
kvadd@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 156d
No ads
Antaeus@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 157d
In Denmark it is close to impossible to live without iOS or bloated Android.
You need a MFA for verification. Doesn’t work on graphene. Alternatively, a physical code viewer is needed to function. Nobody has cash anymore. If not card, people transfer via mobilepay (venmo like). Mobilepay doesn’t work on graphene. We don’t get physical mail anymore and the apps to view digital mail doesn’t work on graphene. Banking apps, guess… most don’t work on graphene. Soon, we are forced to have an app for public transport if you are a commuter, like I am. I have very little hopes that it will work on graphene.
I was running calyx until mobilepay stopped working. But life got to inconvenient and filled with daily frustrations. Now I get frustrated over iOS. The Android on pixels steal too much data.
Edit: I wonder why this post has 2 downvotes?
undrwater@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 156d
Is this a specific MFA? There are open source authentication apps on fdroid.
Can you Venmo via browser?
Antaeus@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 156d
It is a particular proprietary concoction. Normal MFA apps won’t work it’s called MitID if you want to check it out. I meant venmo like. Not venmo. And no, they don’t offer a browser based “edition” ☹️
noname_no_worries@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 156d
Mobilepay, Nordea Mobilbank, Eboks and Rejsekort etc work fine on Grapheneos.
The only app (I'm aware of) that doesn't work is the Mitid app (I use the physical code device).
Antaeus@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 156d
Mobilepay stopped working for me, so I started using iOS ☹️
noname_no_worries@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 156d
The whole app, or just tap 2 pay?
Might be Calyx.
Antaeus@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 156d
Probably calyx then. It started just hanging when logging in. App clearing didn’t do anything
noname_no_worries@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 156d
Apparently Grapheneos's implementation of Play integrity is better, as it relies on the real (sandboxed) play services, rather than MicroG.
noname_no_worries@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 156d
ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net · 10 pts · 157d
So you're using iPhone now but are anonymous to apple? You didn't register any accounts on your phone or in the AppStore with your email or credit card data?
Antaeus@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 157d
Where is this coming from? I never said that.
I am under no illusion of that. Since google is an advertisement company I tend to trust the other company a bit more. Still the plague or cholera
ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net · 1 pts · 157d
Because if Apples knows your identity why would you switch phones to avoid giving apple your identity? I'm using Graphene so having to register some account on my phone would be a change for me. If you already have corporate account set on your phone what would this change for you?
Antaeus@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 156d
I stand corrected. I don’t know where my head was at.
Apologies. What made me baulk was the “ID” part. Not giving them my equivalent to a social security number.
VonReposti@feddit.dk · 4 pts · 157d
Way ahead of ya. Graphene is mostly working well. Some small issues like MitId not working due to Play Integrity but hopefully the UnifiedAttestation and focus on removing big tech dependence will solve that.
Antaeus@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 156d
UnifiedAttestation looks promising. Here’s to hoping it’s not going to cause google to sue.
Antaeus@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 156d
I could not agree more. Ironic to live in a society where we are required to either give our data to American mega corp 1 or American mega corp 2.
Go data sovereignty!
PancakesCantKillMe@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 157d
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mjr@infosec.pub · 2 pts · 157d
Why not? I thought swapping was promoted as a benefit of eSIM.
snooggums@piefed.world · 1 pts · 157d
Can you swap an eSIM to a phone that doesn't use eSIM?
mjr@infosec.pub · 1 pts · 157d
I think you can get eSIM adapters for phones without one built in, but I've not bothered yet, so I might have misunderstood.
PancakesCantKillMe@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 157d
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brokenwing@discuss.tchncs.de · 19 pts · 157d
But... but.. its for "children"
NarrativeBear@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 156d
This is not a "age check", it's a identity verification.
Quicky@piefed.social · 8 pts · 157d
I installed this last night and was presented with a warning screen saying that I'd have to provide ID, then the following screen basically said "Nah, you're good bro, we don't need your ID".
I'm hoping that was as a result of my Apple ID having been set up many years ago, rather than them having seen my camera roll and concluded that this guy is clearly old as fuck.
ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net · 6 pts · 157d
Or they have your credit card info?
Quicky@piefed.social · 4 pts · 157d
Well they do, but the actual reason given on the subsequent screen was down to when my Apple ID was set up.
Looks like they do it either way.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 156d
does a gift card like visa work? its about targeting dissent, mainly people who make criticism against conservatives, or any form of progressive activism.
coolmojo@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 154d
It has to be a credit card as under 18s can get debit card.
redwattlebird@thelemmy.club · 1 pts · 156d
They can't do anything with landlines though, so i suppose that's what it'll eventually happen after age checks for everything.
unabart@sh.itjust.works · -2 pts · 157d
I’m in Germany, installed this update on my iPad, but have not seen any mention of an ID yet. 🤷♂️
ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net · 9 pts · 157d
Probably because Germany doesn't have to follow laws passed in UK.
unabart@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 156d
Perhaps it was the “first in Europe” part that threw me for a loop.