And I'll add that even the Australian numbers are on the relatively low side with parts of Europe approaching $12 USD per gallon for diesel. Americans have no idea how cheap fuel is there by comparison.
When I converted litres to gallons Google told me that is only 19.2 gallons, so it would be $12.03 a gallon. There would be riots, and more mass shootings.
Edit: I just noticed that you specified USD. I didn't convert out of AUD.
why? they are more fuel efficient than fleets of trucks, cheaper to build, run and maintain than roads, better for the environment by not spewing microplastics into the environment, and to top it off, move more stuff for less labor.
look at china for examples of long distance train networks designed and deployed rapidly.
Australia is as wide as, and is taller than USA. It's a large country
We have one main train line across the country horizontally, and two vertically. The vast majority is uninhabited.
We're talking about an infrastructure project that has to supply reliable high voltage power across the entire country (4000 km), build multiple new train lines across the entire country, and even then you still need trucks for distribution within states as rail is not capable of last mile delivery (or even hundreds of kilometres of areas unserviced by rail)
dang so true, if only we were one of the wealthiest most indistrialised nations in the world and had plenty to spend on climate forward nationalised projects in the workers interests.
shit talking aside, you are right, we will never be rid of roads in this country for a very long time.
Which is one reason why I've taken to referring to currency with nation included, e.g. US$, AU$, JP¥, GB£.. The Euro is the only easy standard, arguably the 'English language' of currency
You know how English is a default language, a base for many multinational conversations? Everyone refers to it? Well, Euro is the easiest to refer to because it is so widely used and stable. It's not English. It's like the 'English language' of currency.
In Mexico gas is 26mxn per liter for regular and 30mxn for premium. That's like 5.60 per gallon of regular and 6.40 for premium, this with insanely lower income than in the US. I really don't get why they are so outraged, gas is still cheap there
I was gonna ask what vehicle had a 72 gallon tank, and then realized this is in litres. Still must be one of those massive trucks we made standard over here in the US
Edit: HOLY FUCK! THATS JUST 19.2 gallons of gas! There would be mass shootings at the pump. Well more of them, anyway. That comes out to $12.03 a gallon, for my other US friends
Yeah, nah. I didn't realize how small litres are. My SAABs had 16 gallon tanks. AU has some lonely patches in the outback, but there are places in the US where you'll see signs that say "Last fuel for 250-300 miles," and those places always charge a ton extra. (That's 402-482km)
It was $2.99/l on Wednesday at a servo I frequently pass. Thursday morning it was $3.09, and Thursday afternoon it's was $3.19. who knows what it'll be today (Friday)?
& shit’s only going to get worse for the rest of the year unfortunately. Even if everything went back to normal instantly today, it would take months if not years to replace all of the infrastructural damage done to the various ports and refineries in and around the Arabian peninsula.
Yeah, E10 unleaded is at about $2.53 at the same servo. I just did a search for the cheapest price on the 7-Eleven fuel lock app, and it's $2.53 as well.
I'm glad I got my bike working again late last year. I've been riding to work again, and this is just an extra motivator.
In an ideal world, absolutely. But for everyone who lives outside of (their city’s equivalent of) the old “Zone 1” region of metropolitan Melbourne - it becomes less and less feasible the further into suburbia you get.
My commute to work one way is 35 minutes driving (without traffic, 60-75 minutes peak); or ~2hrs once you factor in the walk from our house to the train station, two trains (or train and a tram, or train and a bus), and then walk to the office.
There are literally hundreds of thousands of us, scattered throughout. We aren’t car-brained, we are car burdened.
My commute to work one way is 35 minutes driving ... 60-75 minutes peak
What's the distance in kilometers? 40 minutes is enough to cross Amsterdam diagonally (from furthest side to furthest side). Or 15 minutes if you're in the same quarter as your destination. Works quite reliably at every time of the day, too.
Now I'm not saying that AU already has this problem fixed and the public transport and bike lanes are real options. In fact it's exactly what I'm talking about - you deserve better! I've visited AU just recently and part of me wants to relocate! ❤️ I really wish AU people would fight for their mobility rights like the Dutchies did in the 90's, and you'd have 3 modes of transport running concurrently - again I think you deserve it! But it's not my choice to make.
It’s just under 40km, each way. 3/4 of the time (and like >90% of the distance) is on the Monash Freeway.
Our biggest problem here is that we spent over a century building our cities ‘out’ rather than up - though given we have about as much landmass as all of continental Europe, it probably made sense at the time.
Now we are paying for our hubris through massively prolonged commutes to work and elsewhere.
I'm literally unable to drive due to vision problems, so the walk / bus / train / tram is standard. I live in Moorabbin and my work is in Port Melbourne. Ever tried to navigate that shit? Sister did Chaddy to Bundoora every day for Uni for years.
I can see the case for z3 outwards but zone2? It's not hard. You just don't like the inconvenience.
I’ve got about 15km left to empty according to my dash 😭. Not looking forward to the petrol station stop tomorrow morning, but at least my car is economical on fuel - I get about 800km to a 40L tank of diesel.
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ramble81@lemmy.zip · 31 pts · 142d
For the Americans, this comes up to about $8.34 USD/gallon.
swearengen@sopuli.xyz · 7 pts · 142d
There would be mass riots, people are already pissed and it's only $4 a gallon now on average.
ramble81@lemmy.zip · 12 pts · 142d
At this point, I seriously question what would cause Americans to riot.
vividspecter@aussie.zone · 8 pts · 141d
And I'll add that even the Australian numbers are on the relatively low side with parts of Europe approaching $12 USD per gallon for diesel. Americans have no idea how cheap fuel is there by comparison.
AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 141d
It was just above $7 a gallon for premium, and $6.50-$6.60 a gallon for regular when I biked passed the gas stations here in IB yesterday.
AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 141d
When I converted litres to gallons Google told me that is only 19.2 gallons, so it would be $12.03 a gallon. There would be riots, and more mass shootings.
Edit: I just noticed that you specified USD. I didn't convert out of AUD.
FistingEnthusiast@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 142d
I'm bloody happy to have an EV
ryannathans@aussie.zone · 15 pts · 142d
If only we had electric trucks hauling goods around the country
Gold_E_Lox@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 22 pts · 142d
or electric trains :(
hoch@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 142d
Almost all modern trains are electric...
...they just have a big diesel generator in the back powering it :P
ryannathans@aussie.zone · 2 pts · 142d
I think that's probably a little more difficult for interstate runs
Gold_E_Lox@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 141d
why? they are more fuel efficient than fleets of trucks, cheaper to build, run and maintain than roads, better for the environment by not spewing microplastics into the environment, and to top it off, move more stuff for less labor.
look at china for examples of long distance train networks designed and deployed rapidly.
ryannathans@aussie.zone · 2 pts · 141d
Australia is as wide as, and is taller than USA. It's a large country
We have one main train line across the country horizontally, and two vertically. The vast majority is uninhabited.
We're talking about an infrastructure project that has to supply reliable high voltage power across the entire country (4000 km), build multiple new train lines across the entire country, and even then you still need trucks for distribution within states as rail is not capable of last mile delivery (or even hundreds of kilometres of areas unserviced by rail)
Gold_E_Lox@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 141d
dang so true, if only we were one of the wealthiest most indistrialised nations in the world and had plenty to spend on climate forward nationalised projects in the workers interests.
shit talking aside, you are right, we will never be rid of roads in this country for a very long time.
ryannathans@aussie.zone · 1 pts · 141d
Yep completely agree, if only we didn't export LNG with zero royalties we'd be rich like the saudis
GalacticGrapefruit@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 141d
Truth. And even cooler, there have been some conversion projects to make semi-trucks run like electric trains.
vividspecter@aussie.zone · 2 pts · 141d
Trials are starting to happen, such as this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtqWG2kgOKE
Like most countries, Australia is well behind China on this which already has a thriving electric truck industry.
prex@aussie.zone · 8 pts · 142d
Yeah, my wife has to punch herself in the smug each morning.
fizzle@quokk.au · -2 pts · 142d
This comment is in all of these threads.
The food you eat is produced and transported to you with diesel.
nomecks@lemmy.wtf · 9 pts · 142d
You're right. Better we did nothing.
fizzle@quokk.au · 2 pts · 141d
That's not what I said at all.
imsufferableninja@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 142d
I really wish I had turned my backyard into a vegetable garden last fall
fizzle@quokk.au · 0 pts · 141d
This is pretty much the same comment.
Even if you drive an EV and grow 100% of your own food, every member of your community is going to be drowning in these costs.
That means they have less money to spend at local businesses, and so on and so forth.
cosmicrookie@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 142d
I was originally confused, because you pay in $ but quantity is in Liters! But then noticed the community is Australia.
I can tell you that the price here in northern Europe is 4,15 Australian $ pr liter... That would have been just about $300 for your tankful 🤦
Taleya@aussie.zone · 11 pts · 142d
Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Singapore, Hong Kong, Jamaica, Liberia, Namibia, and Taiwan all use dollars that aren't USD.
lyralycan@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 142d
Which is one reason why I've taken to referring to currency with nation included, e.g. US$, AU$, JP¥, GB£.. The Euro is the only easy standard, arguably the 'English language' of currency
Taleya@aussie.zone · 5 pts · 141d
D instead of $ is the usual nomenclature. Eg: CAD, AUD, USD. Like wise GBP, JPY.
The Euro is....very famously not English. I think you mean "western"?
lyralycan@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 141d
You know how English is a default language, a base for many multinational conversations? Everyone refers to it? Well, Euro is the easiest to refer to because it is so widely used and stable. It's not English. It's like the 'English language' of currency.
moody@lemmings.world · 5 pts · 142d
Which is fair in most contexts, but when you're in an Australian community, it's safe to assume that AUD is the default.
lyralycan@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 141d
Oh yeah, situational awareness comes first, something that doesn't seem to come naturally to everyone. There's a mild need for c/LostLemmings
fizzle@quokk.au · 2 pts · 142d
That's 4.15 mate.
cosmicrookie@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 141d
I am sorry
trolololol@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 141d
Yep it's been while we stopped using mirrors as payment and using $ money $
FireWire400@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 142d
That's roughly 1.92€ per litre. Over here in Germany you're paying over 2.20€ for a litre of diesel right now.
daizelkrns@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 141d
In Mexico gas is 26mxn per liter for regular and 30mxn for premium. That's like 5.60 per gallon of regular and 6.40 for premium, this with insanely lower income than in the US. I really don't get why they are so outraged, gas is still cheap there
JohnEdwa@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 141d
Diesel briefly hit 2.5€/l in Finland this week :)
TheHolm@aussie.zone · 1 pts · 141d
Diesel is considerably more expensive now than even premium petrol. So probably about same price.
AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 141d
I was gonna ask what vehicle had a 72 gallon tank, and then realized this is in litres. Still must be one of those massive trucks we made standard over here in the US
Edit: HOLY FUCK! THATS JUST 19.2 gallons of gas! There would be mass shootings at the pump. Well more of them, anyway. That comes out to $12.03 a gallon, for my other US friends
myrrh@ttrpg.network · 10 pts · 141d
JayDee@lemmy.sdf.org · 1 pts · 141d
Based on conversion of Fiat. What is it in buying power overall? Like, how many macca's big macs is that over there? Or how many bus fares?
myrrh@ttrpg.network · 1 pts · 141d
spudsrus@aussie.zone · 1 pts · 141d
Savage
TheHolm@aussie.zone · 4 pts · 141d
My family wagon has 60L tank, and it is not a big car. Just build for AU condition where you can have 300km between servos. 72L is normal.
AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 141d
Yeah, nah. I didn't realize how small litres are. My SAABs had 16 gallon tanks. AU has some lonely patches in the outback, but there are places in the US where you'll see signs that say "Last fuel for 250-300 miles," and those places always charge a ton extra. (That's 402-482km)
Cypher@aussie.zone · 5 pts · 141d
GalacticGrapefruit@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 141d
Thanks for running the math for us. Holy hell, that is insane.
Almacca@aussie.zone · 5 pts · 141d
It was $2.99/l on Wednesday at a servo I frequently pass. Thursday morning it was $3.09, and Thursday afternoon it's was $3.19. who knows what it'll be today (Friday)?
thatKamGuy@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 141d
Diesel? U91 is “only” ~$2.50 here.
& shit’s only going to get worse for the rest of the year unfortunately. Even if everything went back to normal instantly today, it would take months if not years to replace all of the infrastructural damage done to the various ports and refineries in and around the Arabian peninsula.
Almacca@aussie.zone · 3 pts · 141d
Yeah, E10 unleaded is at about $2.53 at the same servo. I just did a search for the cheapest price on the 7-Eleven fuel lock app, and it's $2.53 as well.
I'm glad I got my bike working again late last year. I've been riding to work again, and this is just an extra motivator.
vas@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 141d
Sorry for saying this in a car-related post, but the solution to car dependency is simply the availability of other forms of thansport.
Specifically, trains, intra-city bike lanes that are 2x faster than a car, ect
If you have that, you get choice and some level of control. (P.S. not in rural areas with no trains tho.)
thatKamGuy@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 141d
In an ideal world, absolutely. But for everyone who lives outside of (their city’s equivalent of) the old “Zone 1” region of metropolitan Melbourne - it becomes less and less feasible the further into suburbia you get.
My commute to work one way is 35 minutes driving (without traffic, 60-75 minutes peak); or ~2hrs once you factor in the walk from our house to the train station, two trains (or train and a tram, or train and a bus), and then walk to the office.
There are literally hundreds of thousands of us, scattered throughout. We aren’t car-brained, we are car burdened.
vas@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 140d
What's the distance in kilometers? 40 minutes is enough to cross Amsterdam diagonally (from furthest side to furthest side). Or 15 minutes if you're in the same quarter as your destination. Works quite reliably at every time of the day, too.
Now I'm not saying that AU already has this problem fixed and the public transport and bike lanes are real options. In fact it's exactly what I'm talking about - you deserve better! I've visited AU just recently and part of me wants to relocate! ❤️ I really wish AU people would fight for their mobility rights like the Dutchies did in the 90's, and you'd have 3 modes of transport running concurrently - again I think you deserve it! But it's not my choice to make.
thatKamGuy@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 140d
It’s just under 40km, each way. 3/4 of the time (and like >90% of the distance) is on the Monash Freeway.
Our biggest problem here is that we spent over a century building our cities ‘out’ rather than up - though given we have about as much landmass as all of continental Europe, it probably made sense at the time.
Now we are paying for our hubris through massively prolonged commutes to work and elsewhere.
Taleya@aussie.zone · 1 pts · 141d
yeah nah mate. Get over it.
I'm literally unable to drive due to vision problems, so the walk / bus / train / tram is standard. I live in Moorabbin and my work is in Port Melbourne. Ever tried to navigate that shit? Sister did Chaddy to Bundoora every day for Uni for years.
I can see the case for z3 outwards but zone2? It's not hard. You just don't like the inconvenience.
PennyRoyal@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 142d
Fuck me, that is expensive, it’s almost up to the normal price we pay here in the uk!
OriginEnergySux@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 142d
maniacalmanicmania@aussie.zone · 7 pts · 142d
Is that you looking at your Origin Energy bill?
OriginEnergySux@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 142d
I'll never get a bill from those cunts again
OriginEnergySux@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 142d
QWho@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 141d
The jump from Wednesday (AUD 2.85) to today was something...
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au · 1 pts · 139d
I’ve got about 15km left to empty according to my dash 😭. Not looking forward to the petrol station stop tomorrow morning, but at least my car is economical on fuel - I get about 800km to a 40L tank of diesel.