I did some research. Apparently the headline is sensationalizing it quite a bit.
What was really happening was UHC was rewarding nursing homes with incentives when the home reduced the number of hospital referrals for things that didn’t require a hospital visit, and instead took care of them properly. (Thus not shifting the responsibility). That is, not sending grandma to the ER every time she had a cough. This was better for the overwhelmed hospitals, people with real emergencies, and for the nursing home residents who would get appropriate care in-house. Some nursing homes took this to the extreme and wouldn’t send their wards to the hospital for anything at all - resulting in unnecessary deaths, but that’s the nursing home’s fault, not entirely UHC’s.

I mean fuck UHC and health insurance companies in general, but this story is not as cut & dry as implied by the headline.

original_charles@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 142d (1 reply)

If what you're saying is 100% accurate, UHC still created, enabled, and incentivized an environment that led to some nursing homes to commit these horrible crimes. At best UHC should be considered an accessory to these murders.

I'd be very surprised if this possibility genuinely did not occur to them during their decision making. But the model they created conveniently puts the purported blame in the hands of other entities, so there was really no incentive for them to come to any other solution.

Pieisawesome@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 142d

I think this is more an example of perverse incentives…

Hospitals are overwhelmed, they might reach out to the insurance companies to try and help reduce the incoming patients…

UHC is evil, but I could see how this program perhaps started with good intentions, but became perverse.

Murse@slrpnk.net · 39 pts · 143d (1 reply)

Sounds like another CEO could use a high-velocity pat on the back.

osanna@lemmy.vg · 15 pts · 142d

#FreeLuigi

thingAmaBob@lemmy.world · 36 pts · 142d (3 replies)

And this is why no one gave a shit or even cheered when that CEO was shot. Health insurance as a whole needs to be completely dismantled and the healthcare system in the USA needs to be restructured. I understand if something like that were to happen, it would take many many years and a lot of work to accomplish.

OldQWERTYbastard@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 141d

Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 141d

not even the estranged wife admonished the public for her former husbands death, also because she wanted a divorce down the line. Plus Witty dint really bat an eye either of his death, because thompson was going to rat on them for insider trading.

Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 141d

they made sure to clamp down on the news pretty quickly, and astroturfed news about luigi, and we barely heard about him in over a year, just a little here and there.

Eddbopkins@lemmy.world · 29 pts · 142d (1 reply)

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KneeTitts@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 142d

Luigi for president

zib@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 143d (2 replies)

News like this reminds me that Luigi did nothing wrong.

Feathercrown@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 142d (1 reply)

Luigi didn't do anything because he's innocent

JcbAzPx@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 142d

Also, the actual shooter did nothing wrong. Should be considered mass defense of others.

crunchy@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 22 pts · 143d (7 replies)

Looks like UHC didn't learn a damn thing.

BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 11 pts · 143d (3 replies)

It's the Free Market at work! The last healthcare CEO that got this psychopathic spawned a Free Market correction in the form of a pissed off customer who murdered him. As a result, his company, and all the other healthcare companies, loosened up their denials. THAT'S a perfect example of the Free Market at work.

It looks like we're due for another Free Market correction.

crunchy@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 143d (2 replies)

Damn. Chat, are the libertarians correct here for once?

robocall@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 141d

Idk do libertarians support monopolies and being forced to work to afford healthcare?

Feathercrown@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 142d

The core libertarian philosophy of "Anyone can do what they want and is free to choose" reminds me of this: https://xkcd.com/1060/

Like yes, that's true, that's why I'm choosing to build a better society through socialism.

Hylactor@sopuli.xyz · 5 pts · 143d (1 reply)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rote_learning

A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip · 3 pts · 142d

One time just isn't enough to retain the lesson.

Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 141d

UHG the whole health group is terrible, which UHC is umbrella udner.

A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip · 21 pts · 142d (2 replies)

Soooo.... It's obviously worse when it involves people's lives, but:

Every corporation does this. Maximize profit right to the border of legality. Sometimes landing on the wrong side of it, but that's "just the cost of doing business".

That's what you get with unregulated capitalism.

Spitefire@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 142d

People's health is the textbook definition of inelastic demand. It should never have been allowed to be a free market and we should require health insurance providers to be registered non-profits at the BARE minimum.

captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 142d

Yeah, but we also need to get comfortable piercing the corporate veil when it comes to decisions like this. The corporation diffuses responsibility, it makes everyone feel they must do a thing. We have to break through that and make it clear that people have a legal responsibility to defy instructions like this, to not give instructions like this, and to inform their superiors when instructions will lead to this.

OhStopYellingAtMe@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 142d

Release the ~~Kraken~~ Luigi

ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 142d (3 replies)

My dad, a multiple myeloma patient on very expensive chemo, went into the hospital last fall. While there, a pair of palliative care nurses came to see him unbidden and basically told him they thought he was dying and that he should stop chemo and go into hospice. He briefly went along with it but then changed his mind and decided he wanted to keep fighting the cancer. Something about the palliative care nurses' approach put me off and made me wonder if insurance companies hire people like this to wander hospitals and convince chemo patients to basically off themselves. One of the nurses looked exactly like the popular conception of Jesus and I wondered if he cultivated this look specifically to help him convince people.

In their defense, my dad did decide to stop chemo and go on hospice a week later, and he died five days after that. So I can't say they were really wrong in their assessment, but I remain suspicious.

daannii@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 141d

I think it's possible it's something they do. Why not?

No one's going to stop them.

robocall@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 141d

I'm sorry your dad died. My condolences.

Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 141d

nurs

probably to save them money from continue care til your dad passes away. with organ donations the people will circle the hospital like vultures when a patients about to pass too.

panda_abyss@lemmy.ca · 15 pts · 143d

Straight to fucking jail. Jesus Christ.

I wish these people get to live under the systems they create for millions of people, with none of their priceless and benefits.

Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 143d

Behold: Efficiency!

BC_viper@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 143d

Time for another ceo to bite it.

oldscratchXV@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 143d

It's time these assholes became scared for their lives again.

Fedizen@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 142d

This is just created 3 more Luigis.

hperrin@lemmy.ca · 9 pts · 143d

United Deathcare

sik0fewl@piefed.ca · 9 pts · 143d

If this sounds familiar, it’s because it’s from January.

MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 8 pts · 142d

Ah, US-made horrors beyond imagination.

Treczoks@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 142d

Murder? Ulterior motives?

If someone kills for money, they risk their lives in some of the more retarded areas of the US.

They need radical punishments for companies that kill for profit. Both the nursing homes and UnitedHealthcare (and others who probably do the same but have not been caught yet).

IndustryStandard@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 142d (2 replies)

Can we set up a fundraiser to pay off someone to let the CEO die?

Fedizen@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 142d

Luigi Mangione's commissary account.

mojofrododojo@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 142d

long wondered about the legality of this kind of stuff.... because putin and so many more should be crowdfunded to the same conclusion....

BanMe@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 143d

Heyyyyyy that's my insurance

f4f4f4f4f4f4f4f4@sopuli.xyz · 5 pts · 142d

Goddamn Obama and his death panels!

HulkSmashBurgers@reddthat.com · 5 pts · 142d

Got to love the American healthcare system. /s

P1nkman@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 141d

el_twitto@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 143d

Luigi, save us, you're our only hope

wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 142d

Fucking hell.

Blackfeathr@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 143d

Mario music gets louder

lil_era76@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 141d (1 reply)

My mother is currently on her deathbed. She was diagnosed with Stage 4 cancer in late 2022 and fought incredibly hard for the last three and a half years. She has been at Banner Health since March 13th, and the experience has been absolutely horrendous.

She initially went in for a tonsillar abscess, which eventually cleared up. However, shortly after, she began experiencing hallucinations, including seeing deceased dogs from over 10 years ago. I had to insist on a contrast-enhanced MRI, and it came back showing multiple tumors in her brain, indicating metastasized cancer.

What makes my blood boil even more on this end is that the main neurosurgeon who was my Mom's doctor in the hospital was basically trying to reaffirm the entire family that there was no brain swelling or anything. She's getting better. Yet if you went to her bedside and tried having a conversation with her, you could clearly tell something was wrong. If my family and I had not pushed for that contrast at MRI we would still be at Square One not knowing what is wrong.

I was thinking to myself last night. It's almost like how bad the quality of the service has been there. It's almost like they've given up on her and basically just want her to die so they can get on to the next patient. It disgusts me to think that maybe their attitude.

Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 141d

its probably costing the hospital money to keep her alive. is there no way to request a transfer to another hospital or she is too ill?

robocall@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 141d

Who's the CEO of Unitedhealthcare?

MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 140d

Original source: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/may/21/unitedhealth-nursing-homes-payments-hospital-transfers