French government says it's ditching Windows for Linux — country accelerates plans to ditch US-based software in digital sovereignty push
https://www.tomshardware.com/software/windows/french-government-say-its-ditching-windows-for-linux-country-accelerates-plans-to-ditch-us-based-software-in-digital-sovereignty-push
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ImgurRefugee114@reddthat.com · 177 pts · 121d
It's finally the year of the Linux Desktop! And all it took was an apocalypse, the rise of the fourth reich, (soon to be) two global recessions, and continuing unprecedented damage to the world order / faith in international law.
Oh, and Windows actively trying its absolute hardest to make everyone hate it for about a decade.
But hey,... progess! The more penguins, the better.
Quicky@piefed.social · 85 pts · 121d
Absolutely wild brand activation tactics from the Linux marketing team.
caseyweederman@lemmy.ca · 8 pts · 121d
I fucking hate that so many of them are going to Ubuntu berceuse of course they are
sonofearth@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 121d
caseyweederman@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 121d
"oops sorry we switched back to manual approval mode because our invincible foolproof package management system pushed out malware again"
imgcat@lemmy.ml · 0 pts · 120d
you forgot the /s
sonofearth@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 120d
JasonDJ@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 120d
Having someone to complain to/point fingers at/sue is incredibly important in the business world, and a big part of why M$ is so big.
In fact, just having support is a big thing. Look at how shitty M$ support is. Or Cisco, for that matter.
Not to mention a steady, predictable, accountable release cadence.
If you want that, in the Linux world, it's basically Ubuntu/Canonical, RedHat/IBM, or Oracle/Oracle.
I'd call Canonical the lessest of 3 evils here...
ripcord@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 121d
Well, yes.
Draegur@piefed.social · 30 pts · 121d
Linux's message to the world: "The I-Told-You-So's Shall Continue Until Installation Rates Improve."
we brought this upon ourselves by failing to listen to the FOSS gods.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 15 pts · 121d
Also, Proton
WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 121d
You're off by about thirty years.
JasonDJ@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 120d
Nah, Windows XP and 7 get a pass. These were solid consumer OS's.
You go back 30 years and you're at Windows 95 (holy shit) and the beginning of massive home PC adoption.
I don't feel they got hostile towards users until probably midway through Windows 10 lifecycle. The first half wasn't that bad, aside from changing up 20+ years of muscle-memory....but Gnome did that, too.
dajoho@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 119d
Mantzy81@aussie.zone · 3 pts · 121d
A decade? I had a Windows ME upgrade disc - M$ has been at this for a long time.
ripcord@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 121d
I had DOS 6.2 which blatantly stole stuff from Stacker, and Windows 3 which explicitly had code to make it seem like competitor DR DOS was unstable.
ripcord@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 121d
Apocalypse?
ImgurRefugee114@reddthat.com · 6 pts · 121d
Covid. I'm being slightly hyperbolic.
FauxLiving@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 121d
There are 7 million people who would agree with you, if they could.
Reddfugee42@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 119d
That's only if you believe in science
ripcord@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 121d
Ah
Mantzy81@aussie.zone · 86 pts · 121d
It's funny. As much as I detest DJT and all the terrible things he's brought to the world order/markets/general stability, I do have to be thankful that he's helped spur on digital sovereignty and sparked a revival in independence rather than US hegemony. It's also a shame, but the US has proved itself too volatile and an unstable partner.
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world · 32 pts · 121d
People always find it strange when I say the biggest reason for womens liberation happening is because of hitler, but it's true.
Prior to America entering WWII, men went to work, women stayed home and did the dishes. That's just how life was.
Then all the men needed to go overseas. But that left huge holes in the domestic workforce. Life simply couldn't move forward without someone to stock the shelves of a grocery store, or fix cars, or drive the city bus. Work that up until then was historically men only. But....there were not enough men between 1941-1945 to fill the roles across all forms of work, but work needed to get done.
So women were brought into temporarily fill the roles until the men got back.
Then the war ends, the men come back, and suddenly the women don't want to go back home and do dishes. So now you've got women back home, who want to be back at work, and men at work seeing more and more women not leaving.
And over the next decade or so, more and more women either never left the workplace, or came back to work. And then you had the homes where the men wouldn't let their wives work. Which caused fights. And even though they were individual fights, these same fights were happening all over the country. As more women realized they aren't alone, it became less of a fight with your husband, and more of a fight against traditional gender norms. And thus the womens liberation movement really gained traction.
And it all goes back to hitler creating the environment that allowed the whole butterfly effect to start.
And thats what you're seeing with trump and linux.
Hitler didn't give a damn about womens rights. But butterfly effect, he's the biggest reason it happened.
Trump doesn't give a damn about Linux, but here we go again.
booly@sh.itjust.works · 21 pts · 121d
To be clear, women's work before World War II was more than just the dishes. If you look at the guidebooks published for housewives back then, you'll see that they were expected to have quite a few skills that most households now generally outsourc to external businesses:
The economic shifts that come from women leaving the home for the paid workforce are all over, and some of them are pretty pronounced. But it's important to remember that women worked hard before they ever got paid for it. Life was toil.
Doomsider@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 121d
Absolutely bizarre thing to say. The first liberation of women in the US was 1837 when women were allowed to control their own property. The second big liberation was securing the right to vote in 1920.
The issue with what you say is how women were treated after the "boys" came home. As other responses pointed out Women have always worked. The change was the type of work.
They were forced out of their new roles. This was not liberating at all. In fact, it was quite the opposite know your place kind of adjustment.
I suppose you could make an argument that this created an eventual backlash where the first women won the right to equal pay in 1961-2.
You have a point about more women working after this time, but it was not equal as they were forced into "pink" color jobs. I would argue the war really lead to more exploitation of women.
Hitler's murder crusade inadvertently lead to women being exploited even more than they were before by US capitalism. I suppose it did prove that women could do the job of men, even if their society didn't respect them.
Draegur@piefed.social · 15 pts · 121d
poison is generally bad but if it kills the cancer they call it chemotherapy i guess! ha.
willington@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 121d
It's not 100% safe for the patient either, but if surviving the treatment is more likely than surviving the disease, it's a go? Assuming the pain is bearable, and the post-treatment quality of life is worth a damn too. Mere survival is not good enough.
VirtuePacket@lemmy.zip · 62 pts · 121d
Good. As an American, fuck Microsoft. And fuck Trump.
Gsus4@mander.xyz · 18 pts · 121d
*microslop
cronenthal@discuss.tchncs.de · 33 pts · 121d
The French are doing the right thing. Getting independent from the US software dominance takes time and the US regime could decide any day to use it stupidly and brutally. I just wish my government had as much foresight.
kyub@discuss.tchncs.de · 13 pts · 121d
My take on it: most people do have foresight or at least understand the issue, but they still don't act on it or ignore it as long as the status quo is still convenient enough. So it's purely a matter of pain and inconvenience. Once enough pain and inconvenience has accumulated, they're much more ready to make an actual switch. Thankfully, with Microsoft's services also becoming increasingly enshittified (forced AI chatbot integrations everywhere, even more cloud dependencies, ever more expensive subscriptions, ...) there's also Microsoft shooting itself in the foot a bit in order to accelerate this process. Vile actions from the current US regime are also accelerating the process of course.
Mantzy81@aussie.zone · 6 pts · 121d
This is why, as an Aussie, I'm very disappointed in our subservience to the US all the time. It's honestly pathetic. We abandoned our initial plan for, admittedly not cutting edge tech, french-built submarines to go with far better-specced US-built subs but who knows if we'll ever actually get any of them.
Honestly, I don't trust the sepos not to hamstring them somehow.
pr06lefs@lemmy.ml · 33 pts · 121d
would be great if they did phones next.
lepinkainen@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 121d
Jolla is the only real option software wise
pr06lefs@lemmy.ml · 9 pts · 121d
Other options exist, but not so polished. It's a tough project that apparently needs more support than small FOSS projects can provide, I've seen a lot of promising alternatives come and go.
Hardware/firmware wise, would really like to see open standards like we have for PC bootloaders. EU requiring nonproprietary bootloaders on phones would be a real step forward.
NewOldGuard@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 121d
They could throw support behind GrapheneOS, it’s great and it’s Canadian eh
ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net · 11 pts · 121d
Graphene is good, though it's still pretty reliant upon Google not making life even harder for them, which it has been doing consistently.
A safer long-term option that is detached from Google's whims entirely is PostmarketOS, which isn't based on Android at all, but is instead a project based on Linux directly.
matlag@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 121d
If the EU would dare, it could totally fork AOSP. Then each country, company, non-profit can build its own mobile OS on top of it.
ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net · 2 pts · 120d
I'm not entirely sure if that would be better than just adopting PostmarketOS, since forking AOSP would mean maintaining a fork of that entire ecosystem, and I'm unsure how they would deal with all the phone manufacturers dropping support for phones rather quickly, or using outdated kernels to access GPU and hardware drivers for said phones after the manufacturer drops support.
Investing in PostmarketOS instead would bring with it much less stuff to fork, along with access to the mainline linux kernel (instead of outdated Android ones) that use open-source GPU drivers that can be effectively maintained, and it can support Android compatibility with a compatibility layer, Waydroid.
A polished PostmarketOS ecosystem only seems to offer advantages compared to a forked AOSP, so if they're choosing which to invest in, Postmarket seems like the clear winner.
matlag@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 120d
The kernel update issue on Android is going to be exactly the same for PostmarketOS and for the exact same reason: proprietary firmwares and/or drivers.
There is a huge ecosystem for Android today, including apps for so many EU companies, that they would have to re-develop to port them to Linux, or they'll just rely on Waydroid, so you still have to follow Google somewhat, and now you need to maintain both a GNU/systemd/Linux AND a compatibility layer with Android. With a fork of AOSP, you need only the last.
From a security and privacy standpoint, Linux was never designed to handle hostile apps designed to aquire as much data as possible. Android has a sandboxing system: an app cannot go and check what other apps you have. A Linux app can pretty much access everything on your system. GrapheneOS adds on top of that storage and contact scopes: you can define a subset of each per app, and they won't see anything else.
In an ideal world, it wouldn't matter: everything would be opensource and developed in good faith. In the real world, you still have tons of malevolent apps that people will want to use anyway, so better take that in account.
ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net · 1 pts · 120d
That is not the case, as PostmarketOS uses community made open-source drivers, even for the GPU, and all devices that it supports uses the mainline kernel, as all of the drivers they develop are upstreamed to mainline, instead of it being a proprietary driver that is locked to a specific kernel.
The open-source drivers aren't currently as polished as the proprietary ones, but as we've seen the open-source AMD driver for desktop, it can become the best option with community effort and funding.
The point of adopting Postmarket is that they could then rely on the open-source community to help with maintaining most of of the components, much like how Linux desktop or Linux Server works currently. Waydroid is developed by its own team, so they wouldn't need to fork that and maintain it to have access to Android apps (though they could help contribute to it if they wanted to).
Android is Linux at the core, yet it was able to be hardened, which shows that PostmarketOS could be similarly hardened if such features were adequately funded and developed by the EU. Linux already has Wayland, which is a huge step forward for security, and Flatpak packages already have Android-like permissions built in (though they would need to modify how those work by default to increase security).
CLMA31@sopuli.xyz · 4 pts · 121d
For sure GOS is great, but it is still only android fork. Not real independent alternative for duopoly
lepinkainen@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 121d
And it also only works on Google hardware 🤮
(And maybe one future Sony phone maybe?)
NewOldGuard@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 121d
It’s confirmed coming to Motorola hardware next year. With more funding and institutional support I’m sure they could assemble a larger pool of devices that meet their requirements
jjlinux@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 121d
France is not going to support GOS, 🤣🤣
uuj8za@piefed.social · 3 pts · 121d
Just ordered a Sony Xperia with SailfishOS! I hope you're right! 🤞
(FYI just in case: SailfishOS is NOT an Android fork! I didn't realize this until recently.)
BiomedOtaku@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 30 pts · 121d
Every country should do this. I'm an American however my country is turning into shit by the day.
willington@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 11 pts · 121d
Micro$oft isn't America.
Micro$oft is a special interest inside America, maybe, at best, American-government-aligned, assuming the government is heavily influenced or captured by Micro$oft.
If Ameirca is first and foremost its people, the megacorp and the oligarchical interests (economic royalists) inside America are at odds with most of the American population. The megacorps and the oligarchs can be considered anti-American.
Anyway, what's bad for Micro$oft is not always bad for America. What's good for America is not always good for Micro$oft. These interests are not all on the same page, to put it politely.
(this is just me agreeing with you in a longer form)
TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world · 29 pts · 121d
Wait until Le Pen or Bardella comes into power and remake the deal with American tech oligarchs, undoing Macron's push for strategic autonomy. As long as the right in France isn't killed, any attempt of decoupling will only be coupled back to US, because fascists have internationalise their ideas and coordination.
CLMA31@sopuli.xyz · 20 pts · 121d
Hopefully more follow! Supporting European mobile OS would be huge step next
Simulation6@sopuli.xyz · 7 pts · 121d
I have read items like this for years about some jurisdiction in Europe switching to FOSS. These things take a long time to implement, lot of retraining of people that have used MS for decades. The cost is significant since you still need to pay the license fees and have support during the transition.
TheFonz@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 121d
In this case it's the entire government top-down. It's not just a jurisdiction. They have probably weighed the cost benefits of transitioning vs throwing money at Microsoft forever
Samsy@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 121d
The French Revolution 2.0 where is the Person who says: if they dislike Microsoft why dont they use mac?
Draegur@piefed.social · 14 pts · 121d
probably getting shouted down by the french policymakers who made this decision along the lines of "Apple is an American company too and we're SICK OF AMERICA'S SHIT"
ripcord@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 121d
I mean that's literally the goal so why wouldn't they
pastermil@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 121d
Lmao, you beat me to it!
WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 121d
Aren't they on like French Revolution 4.0 or 5.0 already?
ripcord@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 121d
Nothing against Macs intended here, but why would anyone say that in this case?
It'd be like an anti-fast food movement where someone suggests Burger King as an alternative to McDonald's. It wouldn't make any sense for the goal.
Samsy@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 121d
I tried the Marie Antoinette quote, in a different manner. Sometimes it works, sometimes not.
ripcord@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 121d
Oh I get it now
Simulation6@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 121d
Sorry, sorry. I overslept.
Let them use Mac!
Vince@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 121d
Hmm, it would be interesting if all these governments switching to Linux would make their own distros.
MalMen@masto.pt · 4 pts · 121d
@Vince @fne8w2ah we dont need more fragmentation
Vince@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 121d
I would think they'd want or even require a lot of customization for government work
one_old_coder@piefed.social · 2 pts · 121d
Interesting idea. Cops already have their own Matrix fork (https://element.io/en/case-studies/tchap) and Android fork for secure messaging and secure phones. I haven't played with the secured phone, but it should be a custom locked-down Android ROM.
0_o7@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 121d
Creating distros is easy, funding for the volunteers upstream is what's lacking.
I hope the move also prompts them to start supporting upstream with funds, code, infrastructure, engineers, benefits and so on.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 121d
What does he play?
SlurpingPus@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 121d
Seems to be a weather map or somesuch. Ironically it's also a Macbook, not a Windows machine.