When Linux becomes illegal the internet ceases to exist. Show me 1 Windows or Mac powered network switch, router, edge firewall you've ever known. I'll wait
I hear the latest efforts (mainly from the System76 guy) to counter bad bills about age verification/attestation have brought amendments to exempt open source operating systems, in at least one jurisdiction.
So the pedo-cabal's plan to protect our children (by doxing them), has a gaping hole in it.
Oh however will the pedo-cabal manage to protect our children now?
Yeah they'll drop this as soon as they realise The Dreaded Kali Linux Hacker OS System is open source tbh. First cyber attack, they'll realise they didnt know the owner of the malicious device's age, cry on TV then amend the law to include it.
Meanwhile the number of school shootings will remain the same, foster care systems will be underfunded, but the children will be rendered safe.
Remind me, if everyone is a child until proven otherwise as implemented by discord etc, are they still allowed to collect my data when I dont age verify? Can I sue them for collecting what could have been a toddlers information as they couldn't possibly have known I wasn't one?
The laws generally apply to devices that connect to the internet and run an OS, excluding simple appliances or legacy offline systems.
Smartphones and Tablets: (iOS, Android)
Personal Computers: (Windows, macOS, ChromeOS, Linux distributions with GUIs that connect to the internet)
Means just use Linux without GUI and you have a bypass smh 🙂🙂👍👍
There are a lot of bills that threaten privacy and could, if taken to a logical conclusion, result in the criminalizaion of open-source operating systems. This isn't as nonsensical as it was ten years ago. I think it's still very unlikely, but it's been moved into the realm of "reasonable possibility."
They can't really make linux illegal. They'll make selling devices without age verification illegal. Essentially making selling devices with an OS that doesn't play ball illegal.
They can't make it illegal, but with a little frog-boiling, they can make it functionally useless for visiting websites you might need to use. No identity verification = no access, and Linux = no identity verification.
Browser sends website the signed identity verification, then the website checks the signature against some key in a list of trusted identity verifiers. With the verification responsibility being pushed to the OS vendors, that will be a short list of tech megacorporations. And maybe Canonical or Red Hat, if we're lucky.
Indeed, but wouldn't the inevitable database breach give ample "identities" for anonymous users to cycle through (similar to aurora for play store infrastructure)?
To be clear, the circumstances are not good and ideally this destructive behavior is averted, but there will be maneuvers which can be taken if worst comes to worst.
Good point. I'm not keen on personally comitting fraud, but with the inevitable data breaches in mind, identity verification would do absolutely nothing to deter malicious actors.
Just means we will have to wipe the preinstalled OS, as is already the custom. Also means there will likely be efforts to lock down consumer devices similar to how Android OEMs make it difficult to impossible to unlock the bootloader
It's as simple of finding out how to download a local copy of any media or software you want to store for safekeeping, ideally with backups on a separate drive/machine.
Some good places to start would be linux ISOs and Wikipedia (both are freely distributed and quite useful im times of need), but obviously for any media secured by a paywall or not meant for us to "own", you'll have to find your own path. Probably would be worth checking the piracy lemmy comm.
Personally, I archive everything. I stream nothing.
Wikipedia is a good shout. What Linux isos are worth hoarding? I tend to prefer rolling release distros and their isos are usually useful for system rescue, but normally rely on having an internet connection to actually do the install so probably wouldn't be much use in an outage.
Same here. I originally wanted something big and complex, but I went with Linux Mint. I am quite comfortable with mint. I might move up to Fedora (while literally wearing a fedora...).
It is fucking insane how they're so intense in their authoritarianism while somehow claiming to be all about freedom. Palantir's technological republic post is really fucking insane, claiming that public officials need to be absolutely above criticism (thus giving THEM the only right to privacy) while the rest of us need a microscope attached to every aspect of our lives.
Tl;Dr: is that age verification laws are being pushed heavily, and Linux users are strongly against that sorta stuff. Most developers openly say they won't comply, thus their software is in violation.
Is a bit hyperbole at the moment, where the concrete lawd are basically "os asks user for age on honor system and relays that to websites". Linux distros can add that without much real controversy.
Proven is some are seeking laws that require the os to actually verify age, which in practice means locking things behind something like a Google account and having an online account vendor process your real identity and really validate your age. Under such a regime, Linux desktop as it exists today becomes infeasible. Also Microsoft can say they absolutely cannot allow local accounts anymore by law and force Microsoft accounts...
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TootSweet@lemmy.world · 178 pts · 117d
When Linux becomes illegal, only outlaws will run Linux.
Reygle@lemmy.world · 126 pts · 117d
When Linux becomes illegal the internet ceases to exist. Show me 1 Windows or Mac powered network switch, router, edge firewall you've ever known. I'll wait
Venat0r@lemmy.world · 54 pts · 117d
oh they'll put a clause that allows for that, but only if it's made in America and has a locked down bootloader...
Reygle@lemmy.world · 35 pts · 117d
Just realized that would mean FLOCK dies. -several thousand downsides, but that- THAT would be an upside.
LytiaNP@lemmy.today · 31 pts · 116d
You assume Flock was ever legal in the first place
irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 115d
National security concerns 😊
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 116d
Laws are for the poor, they don't apply to the rich.
ilinamorato@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 116d
Also, Android and Chrome OS are Linux distros.
Ziglin@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 116d
Aren't they mostly based on some sort of BSD (at least the smaller ones)? Would probably still not be legal in that scenario but I gotta be pedantic…
Sualtam@lemmus.org · 1 pts · 113d
Oh they don't want to ban linux. Just make you verify ID on OS level.
Big server hosts can do that on linux too.
Adulated_Aspersion@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 116d
Come join my outlaw gang. We have pie.
Pi. Raspberry pi.
sonofearth@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 116d
HasturInYellow@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 116d
I will make the raspberry pie.
frank@sopuli.xyz · 17 pts · 116d
The only way to stop a bad guy with Linux is with a good guy with Linux
wuffah@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 116d
eager_eagle@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 117d
Diurnambule@jlai.lu · 9 pts · 116d
I am curious how they will ask for ID for each IOT devices ? Does a ring 0 micro linux need an ID before loading th OS ?
FlordaMan@lemmy.world · 74 pts · 117d
Finally torrenting linux ISO’s will no longer work as an euphemism for pirating.
Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 40 pts · 117d
Torrenting "LLM training data"
evidences@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 116d
I seed so Gen Ai can reach AGI sooner! /s
Digit@lemmy.wtf · 2 pts · 116d
Has that been considered working?
realitaetsverlust@piefed.zip · 63 pts · 117d
Governments can't even effectively tackle drugs, illegal weapons or CSAM. Gl making something as distributed as linux illegal.
PunkRockSportsFan@fanaticus.social · 57 pts · 117d
Fuck em.
the_riviera_kid@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 117d
Thats the spirit.
abbiistabbii@piefed.blahaj.zone · 44 pts · 116d
Just sounds like they want to force you to have operating systems that monitor you at every turn.
ilinamorato@lemmy.world · 28 pts · 116d
Explicitly yes. With a side bonus that their donors are enriched.
4grams@awful.systems · 6 pts · 116d
Palantir is hungry.
NutinButNet@hilariouschaos.com · 37 pts · 117d
More of a reason to use Linux. Fuck the tyrants.
HouseWolf@pawb.social · 37 pts · 116d
When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty!
Digit@lemmy.wtf · 29 pts · 116d
I hear the latest efforts (mainly from the System76 guy) to counter bad bills about age verification/attestation have brought amendments to exempt open source operating systems, in at least one jurisdiction.
So the pedo-cabal's plan to protect our children (by doxing them), has a gaping hole in it.
Oh however will the pedo-cabal manage to protect our children now?
:3
joshcodes@programming.dev · 2 pts · 116d
Yeah they'll drop this as soon as they realise The Dreaded Kali Linux Hacker OS System is open source tbh. First cyber attack, they'll realise they didnt know the owner of the malicious device's age, cry on TV then amend the law to include it.
Meanwhile the number of school shootings will remain the same, foster care systems will be underfunded, but the children will be rendered safe.
Remind me, if everyone is a child until proven otherwise as implemented by discord etc, are they still allowed to collect my data when I dont age verify? Can I sue them for collecting what could have been a toddlers information as they couldn't possibly have known I wasn't one?
Its all so fucking stupid.
RobotToaster@mander.xyz · 28 pts · 116d
At least in the US there's precedent that source code is protected speech, so we may see the year of the Gentoo desktop.
schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de · 10 pts · 116d
Compiled code ought to be too then tbh.
MrChewy@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 115d
sigh LinuxFromScratch desktop evenually? See yall on the other side guys, good luck to us all (we'll need it TT)
DimFisher@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 116d
Dude can you all stop with this nonsense, all servers are run on linux, they will never be illegal!
GreenBeanMachine@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 116d
eierschaukeln@kbin.earth · 9 pts · 116d
The laws generally apply to devices that connect to the internet and run an OS, excluding simple appliances or legacy offline systems. Smartphones and Tablets: (iOS, Android) Personal Computers: (Windows, macOS, ChromeOS, Linux distributions with GUIs that connect to the internet)
Means just use Linux without GUI and you have a bypass smh 🙂🙂👍👍
irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 115d
W3m ftw
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 117d
Would be very funny if we manage to eliminate Linux OS distributions on the internet before we eliminate CSAM on the internet.
I'm not holding my breath on either.
ivanafterall@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 116d
The CSAM guys are the very ones attacking Linux.
OldQWERTYbastard@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 21 pts · 116d
Fuck 'em.
If I can touch it, I can own it.
trackball_fetish@lemmy.wtf · 19 pts · 116d
Sounds like we should cause a bit of mayhem prior to that point 😈
adam_y@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 116d
InFerNo@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 116d
And be denied access to services
Hakuso@scribe.disroot.org · 12 pts · 116d
If a service requires it they are not worth using.
1984@lemmy.today · 8 pts · 116d
Yes, freedom requires giving up some things.
TheTechnician27@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 117d
"When I go to [do normal, totally uncontroversial thing]... and [nonsensical catastrophe that I made up in my head happens]."
ilinamorato@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 116d
There are a lot of bills that threaten privacy and could, if taken to a logical conclusion, result in the criminalizaion of open-source operating systems. This isn't as nonsensical as it was ten years ago. I think it's still very unlikely, but it's been moved into the realm of "reasonable possibility."
bulwark@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 117d
Jokes on them. I'm a pirate who likes Linux.
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 116d
Arrgh! Me matey! It's off to Antarctica with us, then! Penguins ho!
drdiddlybadger@pawb.social · 16 pts · 117d
They can pry it out of my solid state drives 😤
Digit@lemmy.wtf · 4 pts · 116d
Unwise invite.
GirthBrooksPLO@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 116d
Then I'll die an outlaw
Skullgrid@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 117d
then you move to gentoo, BSD or retro computing using existing cds/floppies/usbs
yaroto98@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 117d
They can't really make linux illegal. They'll make selling devices without age verification illegal. Essentially making selling devices with an OS that doesn't play ball illegal.
pivot_root@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 116d
They can't make it illegal, but with a little frog-boiling, they can make it functionally useless for visiting websites you might need to use. No identity verification = no access, and Linux = no identity verification.
Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 116d
I'm certain a "John Doe" false identity signature would be trivial to create.
pivot_root@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 116d
Not if they use cryptographic signing.
Browser sends website the signed identity verification, then the website checks the signature against some key in a list of trusted identity verifiers. With the verification responsibility being pushed to the OS vendors, that will be a short list of tech megacorporations. And maybe Canonical or Red Hat, if we're lucky.
Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 7 pts · 116d
Indeed, but wouldn't the inevitable database breach give ample "identities" for anonymous users to cycle through (similar to aurora for play store infrastructure)?
To be clear, the circumstances are not good and ideally this destructive behavior is averted, but there will be maneuvers which can be taken if worst comes to worst.
pivot_root@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 116d
Good point. I'm not keen on personally comitting fraud, but with the inevitable data breaches in mind, identity verification would do absolutely nothing to deter malicious actors.
subignition@fedia.io · 10 pts · 116d
Just means we will have to wipe the preinstalled OS, as is already the custom. Also means there will likely be efforts to lock down consumer devices similar to how Android OEMs make it difficult to impossible to unlock the bootloader
Jaysyn@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 116d
No it's not.
Alwaysnownevernotme@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 116d
Do it. Make the outernet. I'm sure you'll do a much better job of controlling it then
Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 117d
Archive everything you can. Best time for a personal database was yesterday, second best time is now.
Infernal_pizza@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 116d
What sort of stuff do you archive and how do you do it?
Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 116d
It's as simple of finding out how to download a local copy of any media or software you want to store for safekeeping, ideally with backups on a separate drive/machine.
Some good places to start would be linux ISOs and Wikipedia (both are freely distributed and quite useful im times of need), but obviously for any media secured by a paywall or not meant for us to "own", you'll have to find your own path. Probably would be worth checking the piracy lemmy comm.
Personally, I archive everything. I stream nothing.
Infernal_pizza@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 116d
Wikipedia is a good shout. What Linux isos are worth hoarding? I tend to prefer rolling release distros and their isos are usually useful for system rescue, but normally rely on having an internet connection to actually do the install so probably wouldn't be much use in an outage.
Adulated_Aspersion@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 116d
Start with something like Kiwix. You can use that to download ALL of wikipedia. You can keep that on a thumb drive.
After that, start thinking hard about what you might want to access.
I like GOG for gaming, because I can download the DRM-free installer without the need for the internet later.
Whatever eBook library you "own" right now? Download it.
Do you still have a bunch of DVDs? Preserve them.
Any CDs sitting around? Rip those tracks.
ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online · 5 pts · 115d
Same here. I originally wanted something big and complex, but I went with Linux Mint. I am quite comfortable with mint. I might move up to Fedora (while literally wearing a fedora...).
It is fucking insane how they're so intense in their authoritarianism while somehow claiming to be all about freedom. Palantir's technological republic post is really fucking insane, claiming that public officials need to be absolutely above criticism (thus giving THEM the only right to privacy) while the rest of us need a microscope attached to every aspect of our lives.
notsle@kzoo.to · 4 pts · 117d
@beep
reksas@sopuli.xyz · 4 pts · 116d
is this hyperbole or is that actually a thing?
FatherPeanut@pawb.social · 15 pts · 116d
Tl;Dr: is that age verification laws are being pushed heavily, and Linux users are strongly against that sorta stuff. Most developers openly say they won't comply, thus their software is in violation.
jj4211@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 116d
Is a bit hyperbole at the moment, where the concrete lawd are basically "os asks user for age on honor system and relays that to websites". Linux distros can add that without much real controversy.
Proven is some are seeking laws that require the os to actually verify age, which in practice means locking things behind something like a Google account and having an online account vendor process your real identity and really validate your age. Under such a regime, Linux desktop as it exists today becomes infeasible. Also Microsoft can say they absolutely cannot allow local accounts anymore by law and force Microsoft accounts...
Poteau_Poutre@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 116d
Sir, this is a meme community
reksas@sopuli.xyz · 4 pts · 116d
nowdays you never know
basxto@discuss.tchncs.de · 3 pts · 116d
outlawnix
alienghic@slrpnk.net · 1 pts · 96d
Debian has a page of resources available over tor. https://onion.debian.org/
Which includes the archive (ftp.debian.org) http://2s4yqjx5ul6okpp3f2gaunr2syex5jgbfpfvhxxbbjwnrsvbk5v3qbid.onion/
Maybe save a copy of onion.debian.org?
Muffi@programming.dev · 1 pts · 116d
Maybe in America. The rest of us with normal governments will be fine.