Probably actually lichen. They can grow without soils and indeed are a precursor to soil. No alien planet without life is going to have soil in it because soil is a living thing.
A few months ago I went to Portland for the first time and I was so happy to find a huge patch of wild blackberries just outside my hotel. They were delicious! I had no idea they were an invasive and bothersome problem!
I’ve lived in NJ and SC, and in both places it is kind of rare and special to find wild blackberries.
There are also native blackberries! But most of what you see in the valleys are the Himalayan variety.
The native blackberries do not form a hedge or grow on top of things. They're more of a ground cover. The berries are smaller, and in my opinion, tastier. They have much smaller stems as well.
Yeah we went and spent a week up in the Seattle area couple years ago camping and the campsite we were at had blackberries all over it. We're from an area that these things don't grow and so my kids were super excited and spent the entire camping trip picking blackberries and eating them.
I get the sentiment IF you live in a place that has the right climate and conditions for raspberry. But from my experience, the right conditions and climate for mint are negotiable while those for raspberry are less so.
you know there's this artist who is famous or something because he once put a bunch of oversized beach umbrellas all along this gorgeous spanish beach like every quarter mile for fifty miles or something idk. anyways the wind picked up as the wind does along the beach, and the beach umbrellas caught the wind as beach umbrellas do and they started rolling along the beach and they had these pointy ends where they were stuck in the sand and i think someone might have died and anyways art never says quite what you think it is going to say, even when you're making it.
anyways i was kind of inspired by this dude even though i forgot his name because i'm terrible with names and i would love to make an art project that is "accidentally" some kind of ecological disaster or something and you just gave me an idea: berries edit no berries mixed with that fuck evil grass. is anyone here a genetic engineer?
Yeah I live in the high desert neither one of those things grow out here. Up in this area you get Russian thistle otherwise known as tumbleweeds and sagebrush and those things just grow everywhere. The Russian thistle is the worst thing in the world because those things clog up everything clog up everywhere take over everything. And then we have goat's heads that take over all the cities and blow all the kids tires and end up in your house when you're walking around you step on them. I would take mint or blackberries over any of these things.
Yes, and as noted in the article I linked, there is a reason for that. You see everything there is. Kudzu's amazing ability is to be seen from the window of a car on a road. If there is even a bit of management or the area isn't clear cut and kept constantly clear of competition from maintenance of the road you're traveling on, kudzu is more of a dudzu.
I get it, it was planted to be ornamental, but that's not what I'm talking about.
A couple of years ago, I was travelling through the South somewhere, and went past a stretch of kudzu that was at least a half mile long, and covered EVERYTHING. I pulled over into a space that was almost a parking lot. Clearly I wasnt the first to stop to check this out.
It was so thick, you could not tell what was under it. It stretched as back into the woods as far as I could see. I took a bunch of pictures, but they were underwhelming. There was a lot of green, but they just didn't show how overwhelming it was. I couldn't find the pix anyway. And while that was the biggest Kudzu infestation I've seen, I've witnessed plenty of other impressive ones as well. Although I do have to say, I'm seeing less lately. Anti-Kudzu campaigns seem to be having an effect.
So yeah, I understand that it was planted by the road where I could see it, but that still doesn't describe the sheer immensity of the coverage. That isn't just an invasive plant becoming ubiquitous, it truly gives a new meaning to the word "invasive."
I'm a plant guy, I love building gardens and stuff, so I know what I'm looking at, and I've never seen anything else in my travels that comes close to rivaling Kudzu.
in a fight between mint and lemon balm (different mint), which wins?
i have a giant pot that has been full of lemon balm for the last, uh, i don't know how long i've lived here it's been a while but i like picking some and steeping some and making the room smell good. out by the trash we also have a pot of mint because the mint smell overpowers the trash smell
Blackberries would probably learn to coexist with mint if they can share enoug root space.
We have 3 kinds of mint and I've already pulled fistfuls out of the ground where they're encroaching on neighboring plants. We planted it in the garden next to our big oak tree for our daughter to nibble when she's out there with her friend, but it's probably the last season we'll keep it.
I'm a masochist. I have mint on one side of the house and wisteria on the other. I should round it out with bamboo and blackberries. Make my home into a rhizome cage match.
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crazycraw@crazypeople.online · 72 pts · 116d
we're pulling up on Mojito 3
CIA_chatbot@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 116d
Good thing I packed limes for this trip. I’ve already got them loaded into the shuttle
FreshLight@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 115d
Love that this implies that it happened at least three times lmao
saltnotsugar@lemmy.world · 70 pts · 116d
And here comes bamboo with a steel chair!!!
bitjunkie@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 116d
I'd have taken it for more of a kendo fan in the hc matches
lugal@sopuli.xyz · 5 pts · 116d
As long as it's not alien conscious bamboo as in the Semiosis trilogy
Narauko@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 115d
First time seeing a Semiosis reference in the wild. Excellent series.
Elting@piefed.social · 40 pts · 116d
Probably actually lichen. They can grow without soils and indeed are a precursor to soil. No alien planet without life is going to have soil in it because soil is a living thing.
NannerBanner@literature.cafe · 4 pts · 116d
Presumably there would be soil since the scenario envisaged is of them terraforming the planet.
Elting@piefed.social · 3 pts · 115d
Lichen for untold millennia, then we will have enough soil for the mint to take over.
Photonic@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 116d
Somewhere there’s a joke about a Raspberry Pi running Linux Mint in there
OpenStars@piefed.social · 5 pts · 116d
Sir this is a
Wen...Lemmy, so yeah okay, carry on then.decended_being@midwest.social · 19 pts · 116d
This is the Raspberry Mint planet, great for Kombucha
DaddleDew@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 116d
The origin story of Mintberry Crunch
Tonava@sopuli.xyz · 16 pts · 115d
VitoRobles@lemmy.today · 7 pts · 115d
Authentic Space Mint.
lyrial@anarchist.nexus · 16 pts · 116d
Kudzu would win this fight.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 13 pts · 115d
Add horseradish and bamboo, and that planet is finished.
MunkyNutts@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 115d
sprinkle a little bermuda grass and we'll terraform this planet in no time
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 115d
Bermuda grass? Then we'll be needing Dandelions and crabgrass.
ranzispa@mander.xyz · 15 pts · 116d
Fucking mint, never get rid of it.
However, thinking about blackberries, the only solution is fire.
I don't know which one wins, as long as they win far away from me...
WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 116d
I don't think there was ever a version of Mint that would run on a Blackberry.
VinegarChunks@lemmus.org · 5 pts · 116d
You want FEWER blackberries?
The heck is wrong with you?
Atropos@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 116d
Himalayan blackberries are a huge issue here in the PNW. They are imported and invasive. Also delicious! But they annihilate native plants.
VinegarChunks@lemmus.org · 6 pts · 115d
TIL about a PNW problem!
A few months ago I went to Portland for the first time and I was so happy to find a huge patch of wild blackberries just outside my hotel. They were delicious! I had no idea they were an invasive and bothersome problem!
I’ve lived in NJ and SC, and in both places it is kind of rare and special to find wild blackberries.
Atropos@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 115d
There are also native blackberries! But most of what you see in the valleys are the Himalayan variety.
The native blackberries do not form a hedge or grow on top of things. They're more of a ground cover. The berries are smaller, and in my opinion, tastier. They have much smaller stems as well.
Tower@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 115d
Just outside of Portland, I got to take a field trip in my senior year eco-science class to go cut down blackberry bushes. They gave us machetes!
titanicx@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 115d
Yeah we went and spent a week up in the Seattle area couple years ago camping and the campsite we were at had blackberries all over it. We're from an area that these things don't grow and so my kids were super excited and spent the entire camping trip picking blackberries and eating them.
wolframhydroxide@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 116d
I think they want fewer brambles, because blackberries are neither the most-voluminous nor the most-annoying part of the bush.
justastranger@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 115d
Always plant your mint in a pot. Preferably a suspended one.
FilthyShrooms@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 116d
Never bring English Ivy to another planet, worst mistake of my life
20cello@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 116d
I'll bring some slugs
Opisek@piefed.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 116d
Will they get along with my killer wasps?
SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de · 12 pts · 116d
Children Of Time Book 5 is going to be weird
shevek@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 116d
I guess there's gotta be some uplifted plants out there. They'll probably have to fight the grey fungus.
Narauko@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 115d
You just reminded me to check on the 4th book, and it has been released. Thank you kind sir or madame (or uplifted rat).
SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 115d
Currently listening to 4. It's fun and weird, as always
binarytobis@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 116d
Specialists poring over the first draft list of plants and animals to be ferried over: “Are you crazy?!”
InvalidName2@lemmy.zip · 9 pts · 116d
I get the sentiment IF you live in a place that has the right climate and conditions for raspberry. But from my experience, the right conditions and climate for mint are negotiable while those for raspberry are less so.
village604@adultswim.fan · 4 pts · 116d
I haven't grown raspberries, but if they're anything like blackberries once they're established it's a bitch to kill them.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 116d
you know there's this artist who is famous or something because he once put a bunch of oversized beach umbrellas all along this gorgeous spanish beach like every quarter mile for fifty miles or something idk. anyways the wind picked up as the wind does along the beach, and the beach umbrellas caught the wind as beach umbrellas do and they started rolling along the beach and they had these pointy ends where they were stuck in the sand and i think someone might have died and anyways art never says quite what you think it is going to say, even when you're making it.
anyways i was kind of inspired by this dude even though i forgot his name because i'm terrible with names and i would love to make an art project that is "accidentally" some kind of ecological disaster or something and you just gave me an idea: berries edit no berries mixed with that fuck evil grass. is anyone here a genetic engineer?
titanicx@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 115d
Yeah I live in the high desert neither one of those things grow out here. Up in this area you get Russian thistle otherwise known as tumbleweeds and sagebrush and those things just grow everywhere. The Russian thistle is the worst thing in the world because those things clog up everything clog up everywhere take over everything. And then we have goat's heads that take over all the cities and blow all the kids tires and end up in your house when you're walking around you step on them. I would take mint or blackberries over any of these things.
ivanafterall@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 116d
Glass Shattering Sound
Kudzu struts into the arena
backalleycoyote@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 116d
“Oh no, it’s cheatgrass with a steel chair!”
NannerBanner@literature.cafe · 3 pts · 116d
Kudzu isn't even all that bad. The folks in charge of tracking it rate it far lesser of a concern than other oriental invasives. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/true-story-kudzu-vine-ate-south-180956325/
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 115d
You say that, but I've seen some amazing kudzu patches, and I've never seen or heard of anything else even close.
NannerBanner@literature.cafe · 2 pts · 115d
Yes, and as noted in the article I linked, there is a reason for that. You see everything there is. Kudzu's amazing ability is to be seen from the window of a car on a road. If there is even a bit of management or the area isn't clear cut and kept constantly clear of competition from maintenance of the road you're traveling on, kudzu is more of a dudzu.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 115d
I get it, it was planted to be ornamental, but that's not what I'm talking about.
A couple of years ago, I was travelling through the South somewhere, and went past a stretch of kudzu that was at least a half mile long, and covered EVERYTHING. I pulled over into a space that was almost a parking lot. Clearly I wasnt the first to stop to check this out.
It was so thick, you could not tell what was under it. It stretched as back into the woods as far as I could see. I took a bunch of pictures, but they were underwhelming. There was a lot of green, but they just didn't show how overwhelming it was. I couldn't find the pix anyway. And while that was the biggest Kudzu infestation I've seen, I've witnessed plenty of other impressive ones as well. Although I do have to say, I'm seeing less lately. Anti-Kudzu campaigns seem to be having an effect.
So yeah, I understand that it was planted by the road where I could see it, but that still doesn't describe the sheer immensity of the coverage. That isn't just an invasive plant becoming ubiquitous, it truly gives a new meaning to the word "invasive."
I'm a plant guy, I love building gardens and stuff, so I know what I'm looking at, and I've never seen anything else in my travels that comes close to rivaling Kudzu.
PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de · 6 pts · 116d
Having had both in my garden, mint will win.
Did they mean brambles maybe?
NottaLottaOcelot@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 116d
Mint vs red raspberries - winner is mint
Mint vs black raspberries - those stabby raspberries win every time
Mycatiskai@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 116d
Probably, I was going to say European blackberry but that is also known as brambles apparently.
PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de · 1 pts · 115d
Yeah I think it's the same thing, blackberry is the berry and brambles is the thicket?
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 116d
in a fight between mint and lemon balm (different mint), which wins?
i have a giant pot that has been full of lemon balm for the last, uh, i don't know how long i've lived here it's been a while but i like picking some and steeping some and making the room smell good. out by the trash we also have a pot of mint because the mint smell overpowers the trash smell
stringere@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 116d
Blackberries would probably learn to coexist with mint if they can share enoug root space.
We have 3 kinds of mint and I've already pulled fistfuls out of the ground where they're encroaching on neighboring plants. We planted it in the garden next to our big oak tree for our daughter to nibble when she's out there with her friend, but it's probably the last season we'll keep it.
wolframhydroxide@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 116d
Bold to assume the mint gives you a choice in whether you "keep" it.
stringere@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 116d
I'm a masochist. I have mint on one side of the house and wisteria on the other. I should round it out with bamboo and blackberries. Make my home into a rhizome cage match.
dmention7@midwest.social · 4 pts · 116d
Lest plant some rum plants and mojito that mint into line!
stringere@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 116d
Julip mint would be best for that. We have some and it makes fantastic fauxjitos.
RamenJunkie@midwest.social · 4 pts · 116d
This is basically the plot of the game Eufloria.
SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 115d
They accidentally brought Japanese Knotweed and it’s destroying their habitats, bringing the buildings down.
alt_xa_23@midwest.social · 3 pts · 116d
For good measure, add Japanese knotweed and tree of heaven
Fourth@mander.xyz · 2 pts · 115d
Had to scroll to find knotweed. Someone knows what they're talking about.
Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net · 2 pts · 116d
Straight to all my veg ecologist friends
rbos@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 115d
Lupins are good. Nitrogen fixers. Tough.
Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net · 1 pts · 116d
Green Alder has entered the chat, and it's here to fix both nitrogen, and your fucking wagon