I went Graphene a while back and can't be happier with it.
I'd still love to see a real Linux phone that really works and really has native Signal/etc apps but since buying a pinephone years ago to tinker with it, I'm not holding my breath.
If anyone here has fears/questions about installing/using it, I can give you basics. NOT an expert, but installation was the easiest thing I could have imagined, took MAYBE 10 minutes literally following their official guide.
Agree. On my fifth anniversary with GrapheneOS and it still kicks ass.
The Pixel phones on the other hand still leave a lot to be desired as reliable hardware. My 8 Pro is the best of the ones I've owned, but not by much considering my Pixel 6 Pro had a shitty Tensor modem, and my Pixel 4 XL had a spicy pillow.
The sooner GrapheneOS moves to Motorola, the better.
I don't have any serious complaints about my 9a REALLY, but I'd prefer something with SD, headphone jack, and I'd REALLY kill for something much smaller. (but no fold, that stuff's for derpy weirdos)
I had looked it up, they are starting with new phones in the same line/family as Motorola Signature, Motorola razr fold and Motorola razr ultra apparently
So the closest baseline is the Moto Signature, and even then it won't ever meet their standards. Best to start from the Signature's specs and hypothesize from there.
I went 1 2 4 7 9. The first two where good 4 was shit 7 was even more shit and 9 has been slight better shit.
But it's still better then fucking Samsung. Wish there was a good third option on Verizon that didn't require me to jump through fucking hoops or is just a worse pixel.
The software for linux phones is pretty much there. Gnome and KDE mobile are surprisingly capable. There’s built in apps for every basic thing you’d need on a phone like a dialer, SMS app, camera, etc. plus all the normal apps adapted to work with mobile like the calculator and maps apps.
The only real limitation is with the hardware. I have no idea why all new linux phones launch with specs from a decade ago. You can get a better experience by flashing ported Postmarket OS to an Android phone like the Nothing phone or a OnePlus 6t.
It shouldn’t be like that, no idea why it’s impossible to just have a linux phone with decent specs and a good camera on par with modern flagships.
Linux phones try to build from upstream Linux, and the major phone SoC vendors HATE upstreaming their code.
They believe every character in their source code is absolutely top secret.
A middle ground I wish was considered more is taking Google's kernel and the vendors DLKM partition/DTB/DTBO for hardware support, and putting a GNU userspace on top.
This has had problems in the past, because vendors would modify syscall tables such that they don't match userspace anymore, but with GKI, I think we're closer to that being a possibility
Thats always the problem with building hardware open source products. You spend millions developing the OS to work with your stuff and you get like six months before someone else is competing with you, except they didn't have to spend that investment. The only reason we got the steamdeck was because the guys that made it ALSO owned the means of putting games on it, so they didn't really need to make money on the product itself (kinda like with Google and the play store).
At least with the vendors I'm referring to (2/3 that make all Android phones), they just took the open source code, hacked it up as quickly as possible to get some basic drivers working, and moved on.
There wasn't any "special sauce" in the source, they just didn't want to spend the effort to upstream it
Edit: Just because you said "hardware open source" I wasn't advocating for open hardware, just for hardware vendors to, ya know, support the hardware
All I want is a linux phone that takes good photos that I feel is secure. I need it to launch android apps in sandbox instances too but I understand that is possible.
Linux phones are always missing modern stuff be it fast charging, nfc, decent compnents, etc.
Love a tablet too, the pixel tablet with speaker stand is ideal if it wasnt the devils products.
"You can get a better experience by flashing ported Postmarket OS to an Android phone like the Nothing phone or a OnePlus 6t"
Can you relock the bootloader when flashing Postmarket OS to those phones? The only other OS that allowed for relocking the bootloader after flashing on certain phones was DivestOS, and unfortunately it went the way of the dodo.
Because Linux phones with proper hardware are sold at 1k and hundreds of people want to but that, not thousands or millions and thus they don't actually get built. Couple of attempts just lasttear didn't pan out.
This might be a silly question, but do you think it would be a good idea for me to first set up my old android phone with my bank and authenticator apps before I make the switch in case some of them don't work?
np, and also not sure if you have to use bank apps to do transfer everyday but you can try to use 2 phones. Thats what i did until i make sure the bank apps work well.
Also look up profiles in GrapheneOS too. I have a dedicates profile for Banks apps only with different password and fingerprints.
I'm about to make the switch myself. I have a Pixel tablet and a P9 Pro. I swapped my tablet over just so I can test things out. I want to deGoogle completely. No play store.
So far I've had to make a list of all my apps I have on my phone and go one-by-one seeing if there's an apk for it somewhere outside of play store, and if not, then if there's an alternative app, and then website or PWA it is.
I've come to realize I have a lot of unnecessary bullshit on my phone to begin with. Think I'll make the switch this weekend, just need to find a few more alternatives to specific apps.
Check our Aurora store for apps you need from the Play Store. But ya, once you start scrutinizing the apps on your phone you realize 95% of it is just useless junk you dont need.
What apps are you looking for alternatives for? I run Graphene and have replaced everything with foss alternatives and couldn't be happier. Except my banking app and a couple that should absolutely be the official apps, but those are installed on a seperate profile.
Also, dont use Aurora store for apps once on GOS. Its not recommended. Use Obtainium for apps straight from the source or accrescent along with GOS' official app store.
Well I found good alternatives(Fossify stuff) or most apps I use already have GitHub releases. I just need to try these apps out and if I dont like them then find other alternatives. Like map apps, calendar, voice recorder, etc. Again I found alts, just not sure how they'll actually function until using them.
My biggest one is the Steam app for their authenticator. I read some stuff online that Aegis supposedly can work as a Steam auth, but yeah.
Well, I use Fossify calendar and have no problems with it. For maps I like and use CoMaps, but the others will work well too. The map apps though use lat and long so they only put you at the block of the address but if you put GMaps WV on your phone you can put the address in it and then click share and copy the lat and long it provides and paste it into comaps and it will route straight to the address, its a couple extra steps but quick and easy. I honestly think youll realize you wish youd have switched sooner. Graphene is just amazing. Plus you can talk to them on their platforms and channels
Im bound to end up on graphene in the very near future but im trying to prepare myself for the conveniences ill be giving up, I know tap to pay is one, and bank apps proba ly wont work (but online banking in a browser works fine for me)
Signal, and its improved client app, Molly, works great on Graphene without any issues.
Honestly all my apps worked, even my banking app. I had one weird case where an unpopular app did not work, but I had contacted the Devs of that app, and it soon got resolved -- I'm not sure if I helped.
I have company managed apps on my device. Teams, Outlook and Authenticator. Any idea if there might be any friction there with Graphene? It's really the only thing from holding me back and I can't really justify experimenting if it's going to break things
Oh, they turned that off? Okay, where in the policy does it say that you're required to use your own device? No stipend no teams. No stipend no outlook. No stipend no authenticator. I'm not giving them a single millimeter.
This, all day long.
If you need to access teams on the go (because you choose to) there is a web interface for that. Same for outlook. There are plenty 2FA options so you probably already have something that can provide 2FA without requiring you to install a microslop app to your phone.
I will not accept any third party management of my device.
Should work, although haven't tried Teams or Outlook, but I would recommend putting it on a different profile, you can make multiple users, then enable the google play store on there. Leave that as you work profile or google profile. Helps keep things separated.
Never used the stock rom on it, purchased it, turned it on, and immediately flashed it. BUT compared to my last "normal" android? (Smasnug- I'll never NOT call them that thanks to a certain Aussie on YT) No. Nothing. That said I'm middle aged and never even considered using stuff like contactless payments with a phone, etc. Never saw the appeal of increased risk just to look like a douchebag at the checkout aisle or the drive through. Your mileage may vary if you use things like that, I can't speak to it.
Only thing I noticed was for my bank's app, I had to enable "exploit protection compatibility mode" to make it function like it should.
I use contactless payments on my pixel, that and banking apps in general keep me from trying it.
Sounds like it might work fine, that's encouraging.
tap to pay isn't more risky, might be less risky depending on how you use it. My understanding is that it uses a one-time number instead of your card information, not unlike using the chip and pin. I'm no expert tho, don't quote me on that lol
GrapheneOS is actually the most bland stock ROM you can find, and it's amazing for that. Android without Google. Some people complain that banking applications may not work, but it's highly specific to a country and that bank.
I have no complaint and no problem so far, it's the best ROM I have ever used.
From the outside, this doesn't look one sided to me and Motorola (Lenovo) won't want GrapheneOS "locked away".
Motorola partnered with GrapheneOS explicitly because they want the highest security for their enterprise phones (in my opinion), so Motorola demanding GrapheneOS be less secure would be silly for them anyways since they prioritise enterprise (as far as I know).
And in any case, if Motorola caused beef with the GrapheneOS team, I believe in GrapheneOS's morals to ignore stupidity. They probably have a contract anyways that states Motorola have near zero influence over the OS.
Lenovo and Dell are some of the only companies that actually care about Linux weirdly enough. That also arnt Linux software developers anyways. If anyone's goanna do it "right" it's those two.
Lenovo running the show is what makes it viable, otherwise I would have thought it was a Google backed conspiracy to drain GrapheneOS resources on a product that would never release.
Tbh the mobile industry is long overdue for some competitive upgrades anyway. A lot of their underlying functionality has fallen far behind desktop OSs.
It’s too bad that the software and hardware are not wholly independent. As for Google pulling that kind of nonsense, I wouldn’t put it past them. They are as sketchy as sketchy gets. But this seems isolated and out of the prying hands/eyes of Google (hopefully).
The Moto Signature which is their highest end phone is £900, and a price comparison site can get you an under £40 contract, so the successor should be similar.
Short answer, whoever buys them, all of the above. But consider, that with the whole world's slide to the default invasion of privacy, the privacy crowd might well get invaded by the average Joe tired of all the shit.
Graphene refuses to collect user data. So all those new age verification laws, yeah they just eliminated our chance to go back to the good old days of Android.
They might refuse adding APIs and refuse to collect data. These are separate things though.
But upon looking closer, I guess at least one law wants the age check to happen at device setup instead of on the fly? Then I guess that falls into collecting data.
I want to applaud that but not if its the same as Google android where you're waiting a year or more for an update. So many features I wanted over the years and was stuck to 11 or 12 at the time(or earlier idk which that thing had but it was a common occurrence since i had the issue with 2 diff phones)
In case you're not in a rush to replace anything, all us graphene fans are anxiously awaiting their first "sold with graphene" phones from Motorola. No ETA though.
Extremely lame work by Google. Infeasible? Why? This is absolutely a security vulnerability. Any ad SDK on any app on your phone can use it to associate your VPN activity.
It's in the same way infeasible as implementing network/data block for individual apps. This feature has been on custom ROMs for a decade but never got into Android.
They've been baking Android for ads and surveillance and are now clamping down harder into how people can customize it.
They aren't even afraid to hide these features as "bugs" anymore. If you turn off background data for an app on pixel, it will turn back on automatically when you reboot.
Also a thing about the government spying on notifications. Even if you disable notifications for your browser, if you ever play a media on it, it will show up on conveniently above the notifications panel. Sketchy AF.
105 Comments
Reygle@lemmy.world · 178 pts · 104d
I went Graphene a while back and can't be happier with it.
I'd still love to see a real Linux phone that really works and really has native Signal/etc apps but since buying a pinephone years ago to tinker with it, I'm not holding my breath.
If anyone here has fears/questions about installing/using it, I can give you basics. NOT an expert, but installation was the easiest thing I could have imagined, took MAYBE 10 minutes literally following their official guide.
lemmyng@lemmy.world · 65 pts · 104d
Agree. On my fifth anniversary with GrapheneOS and it still kicks ass.
The Pixel phones on the other hand still leave a lot to be desired as reliable hardware. My 8 Pro is the best of the ones I've owned, but not by much considering my Pixel 6 Pro had a shitty Tensor modem, and my Pixel 4 XL had a spicy pillow.
The sooner GrapheneOS moves to Motorola, the better.
Reygle@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 104d
I don't have any serious complaints about my 9a REALLY, but I'd prefer something with SD, headphone jack, and I'd REALLY kill for something much smaller. (but no fold, that stuff's for derpy weirdos)
DigDoug@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 104d
If Motorola offer one with and SD card and headphone jack, I'm buying it on day one.
curbstickle@anarchist.nexus · 9 pts · 104d
I had looked it up, they are starting with new phones in the same line/family as Motorola Signature, Motorola razr fold and Motorola razr ultra apparently
lemmyng@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 103d
So the closest baseline is the Moto Signature, and even then it won't ever meet their standards. Best to start from the Signature's specs and hypothesize from there.
Reygle@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 104d
Samesame
frostysauce@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 103d
A spicy pillow?
lemmyng@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 103d
Bloated battery
frostysauce@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 103d
Thanks!
solxix@pawb.social · 2 pts · 103d
inflated battery
Holytimes@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 103d
I went 1 2 4 7 9. The first two where good 4 was shit 7 was even more shit and 9 has been slight better shit.
But it's still better then fucking Samsung. Wish there was a good third option on Verizon that didn't require me to jump through fucking hoops or is just a worse pixel.
echo@lemmy.ml · 27 pts · 104d
The software for linux phones is pretty much there. Gnome and KDE mobile are surprisingly capable. There’s built in apps for every basic thing you’d need on a phone like a dialer, SMS app, camera, etc. plus all the normal apps adapted to work with mobile like the calculator and maps apps.
The only real limitation is with the hardware. I have no idea why all new linux phones launch with specs from a decade ago. You can get a better experience by flashing ported Postmarket OS to an Android phone like the Nothing phone or a OnePlus 6t.
It shouldn’t be like that, no idea why it’s impossible to just have a linux phone with decent specs and a good camera on par with modern flagships.
ozymandias117@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 104d
Linux phones try to build from upstream Linux, and the major phone SoC vendors HATE upstreaming their code.
They believe every character in their source code is absolutely top secret.
A middle ground I wish was considered more is taking Google's kernel and the vendors DLKM partition/DTB/DTBO for hardware support, and putting a GNU userspace on top.
This has had problems in the past, because vendors would modify syscall tables such that they don't match userspace anymore, but with GKI, I think we're closer to that being a possibility
UnspecificGravity@piefed.social · 5 pts · 104d
Thats always the problem with building hardware open source products. You spend millions developing the OS to work with your stuff and you get like six months before someone else is competing with you, except they didn't have to spend that investment. The only reason we got the steamdeck was because the guys that made it ALSO owned the means of putting games on it, so they didn't really need to make money on the product itself (kinda like with Google and the play store).
ozymandias117@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 104d
At least with the vendors I'm referring to (2/3 that make all Android phones), they just took the open source code, hacked it up as quickly as possible to get some basic drivers working, and moved on.
There wasn't any "special sauce" in the source, they just didn't want to spend the effort to upstream it
Edit: Just because you said "hardware open source" I wasn't advocating for open hardware, just for hardware vendors to, ya know, support the hardware
Squizzy@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 104d
100% I got a pixel, secondhand, to allow for gOS.
All I want is a linux phone that takes good photos that I feel is secure. I need it to launch android apps in sandbox instances too but I understand that is possible.
Linux phones are always missing modern stuff be it fast charging, nfc, decent compnents, etc.
Love a tablet too, the pixel tablet with speaker stand is ideal if it wasnt the devils products.
lemmyng@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 103d
"You can get a better experience by flashing ported Postmarket OS to an Android phone like the Nothing phone or a OnePlus 6t"
Can you relock the bootloader when flashing Postmarket OS to those phones? The only other OS that allowed for relocking the bootloader after flashing on certain phones was DivestOS, and unfortunately it went the way of the dodo.
utopiah@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 103d
Because Linux phones with proper hardware are sold at 1k and hundreds of people want to but that, not thousands or millions and thus they don't actually get built. Couple of attempts just lasttear didn't pan out.
Reygle@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 104d
Glad to hear it, as years back with the Pinephone, I had a.. worse than that experience. It was not good.
muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 104d
Give me a flx1s with usbDP alt mode and usb3 and I’ll switch today.
Reygle@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 104d
My 9a running Graphene works with a laptop usb C dock beautifully btw, just had to enable the beta in developer options.
muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 104d
That is not the same thing
foggenbooty@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 103d
Sorry, what about it isn't the same? Is the pixel not using DPAlt mode do handle external montors/docks?
muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 103d
It’s still just android. A Linux phone is like a full Linux PC in your pocket. Android is an abusable compromise.
Graphene is doing good work and is a great stopgap solution, but it’s not the end goal.
foggenbooty@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 103d
Ah, understood. I thought you were talking about the hardware.
Reygle@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 104d
Ah. kk.
k0e3@lemmy.ca · 16 pts · 104d
This might be a silly question, but do you think it would be a good idea for me to first set up my old android phone with my bank and authenticator apps before I make the switch in case some of them don't work?
Reygle@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 104d
Yep sounds like a good idea to me, I like when people think ahead like that.
k0e3@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 103d
Thanks! I have an old Motorola I can use for banking. I think in just gonna do it tonight!! Wish me luck!
Reygle@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 103d
Good luck
k0e3@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 103d
I did it!!
Reygle@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 103d
Yeah you did. Welcome to the proud elite.
mazzilius_marsti@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 103d
For authenticator, do NOT use Authy
k0e3@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 103d
I'll keep that in mind, thanks!
mazzilius_marsti@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 103d
np, and also not sure if you have to use bank apps to do transfer everyday but you can try to use 2 phones. Thats what i did until i make sure the bank apps work well.
Also look up profiles in GrapheneOS too. I have a dedicates profile for Banks apps only with different password and fingerprints.
eli@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 104d
I'm about to make the switch myself. I have a Pixel tablet and a P9 Pro. I swapped my tablet over just so I can test things out. I want to deGoogle completely. No play store.
So far I've had to make a list of all my apps I have on my phone and go one-by-one seeing if there's an apk for it somewhere outside of play store, and if not, then if there's an alternative app, and then website or PWA it is.
I've come to realize I have a lot of unnecessary bullshit on my phone to begin with. Think I'll make the switch this weekend, just need to find a few more alternatives to specific apps.
lemmyng@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 103d
https://apt.izzysoft.de/packages/com.jksalcedo.librefind
eli@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 103d
Thanks! I had no idea about this, wish it was a little more robust but I'll definitely be sharing this app with others!
superglue@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 104d
Check our Aurora store for apps you need from the Play Store. But ya, once you start scrutinizing the apps on your phone you realize 95% of it is just useless junk you dont need.
ItsNotImportant24@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 104d
What apps are you looking for alternatives for? I run Graphene and have replaced everything with foss alternatives and couldn't be happier. Except my banking app and a couple that should absolutely be the official apps, but those are installed on a seperate profile.
Also, dont use Aurora store for apps once on GOS. Its not recommended. Use Obtainium for apps straight from the source or accrescent along with GOS' official app store.
eli@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 103d
Well I found good alternatives(Fossify stuff) or most apps I use already have GitHub releases. I just need to try these apps out and if I dont like them then find other alternatives. Like map apps, calendar, voice recorder, etc. Again I found alts, just not sure how they'll actually function until using them.
My biggest one is the Steam app for their authenticator. I read some stuff online that Aegis supposedly can work as a Steam auth, but yeah.
ItsNotImportant24@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 103d
Well, I use Fossify calendar and have no problems with it. For maps I like and use CoMaps, but the others will work well too. The map apps though use lat and long so they only put you at the block of the address but if you put GMaps WV on your phone you can put the address in it and then click share and copy the lat and long it provides and paste it into comaps and it will route straight to the address, its a couple extra steps but quick and easy. I honestly think youll realize you wish youd have switched sooner. Graphene is just amazing. Plus you can talk to them on their platforms and channels
Reygle@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 104d
Awesome, godspeed smart person.
akwd169@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 103d
Does signal not work on grapheneOS?
Im bound to end up on graphene in the very near future but im trying to prepare myself for the conveniences ill be giving up, I know tap to pay is one, and bank apps proba ly wont work (but online banking in a browser works fine for me)
Is there anything else like that?
dudesss@lemmy.ca · 8 pts · 103d
Signal, and its improved client app, Molly, works great on Graphene without any issues.
Honestly all my apps worked, even my banking app. I had one weird case where an unpopular app did not work, but I had contacted the Devs of that app, and it soon got resolved -- I'm not sure if I helped.
So now, all my apps work without any issues.
MalMen@masto.pt · 3 pts · 103d
@akwd169 @Reygle signal works on grapheneos... from my experience everything works just fine with the exception of bank apps -_-
Reygle@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 103d
Signal is flawless. It was a disaster in my testing on a pinephone with Linux.
matlag@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 103d
Might want to check this page (note: not maintained by GOS):
https://privsec.dev/posts/android/banking-applications-compatibility-with-grapheneos/
smeg@infosec.pub · 1 pts · 103d
Signal is flawless on my Fairphone with /e/os
kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 104d
I have company managed apps on my device. Teams, Outlook and Authenticator. Any idea if there might be any friction there with Graphene? It's really the only thing from holding me back and I can't really justify experimenting if it's going to break things
mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works · 11 pts · 104d
That's your first problem. If your company want to force you to use specific apps on a phone they should just buy you a phone for that
kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 104d
Can't really be helped. I was getting a $50/mth stipend for it for about 3 years but then they turned that off.
possumparty@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 10 pts · 104d
Oh, they turned that off? Okay, where in the policy does it say that you're required to use your own device? No stipend no teams. No stipend no outlook. No stipend no authenticator. I'm not giving them a single millimeter.
GMac@feddit.org · 4 pts · 103d
This, all day long. If you need to access teams on the go (because you choose to) there is a web interface for that. Same for outlook. There are plenty 2FA options so you probably already have something that can provide 2FA without requiring you to install a microslop app to your phone. I will not accept any third party management of my device.
PancakesCantKillMe@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 104d
Yah, the company I work for has been pushing Bring Your Own Device (BYOD) the last few months. Nope and nope.
possumparty@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 103d
Oh hell no lmaoooo absolutely tf not. I refuse to outsource the costs of their business to my own wallet.
NinjaTurtle@feddit.online · 5 pts · 104d
Should work, although haven't tried Teams or Outlook, but I would recommend putting it on a different profile, you can make multiple users, then enable the google play store on there. Leave that as you work profile or google profile. Helps keep things separated.
Reygle@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 104d
YUCKY! Sorry can't say. I don't even allow Microsoft on my network.
lietuva@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 104d
Any functionality you miss from the stock rom?
Reygle@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 104d
Never used the stock rom on it, purchased it, turned it on, and immediately flashed it. BUT compared to my last "normal" android? (Smasnug- I'll never NOT call them that thanks to a certain Aussie on YT) No. Nothing. That said I'm middle aged and never even considered using stuff like contactless payments with a phone, etc. Never saw the appeal of increased risk just to look like a douchebag at the checkout aisle or the drive through. Your mileage may vary if you use things like that, I can't speak to it.
Only thing I noticed was for my bank's app, I had to enable "exploit protection compatibility mode" to make it function like it should.
Wakamoly@lemmy.zip · 8 pts · 104d
Oh, my pkcell
Reygle@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 104d
Did we just become friends?
popekingjoe@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 103d
Where's Frank?
TheBenCommandments@infosec.pub · 4 pts · 103d
There’s dozens of us!
_g_be@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 103d
I use contactless payments on my pixel, that and banking apps in general keep me from trying it.
Sounds like it might work fine, that's encouraging.
tap to pay isn't more risky, might be less risky depending on how you use it. My understanding is that it uses a one-time number instead of your card information, not unlike using the chip and pin. I'm no expert tho, don't quote me on that lol
one_old_coder@piefed.social · 3 pts · 103d
GrapheneOS is actually the most bland stock ROM you can find, and it's amazing for that. Android without Google. Some people complain that banking applications may not work, but it's highly specific to a country and that bank.
I have no complaint and no problem so far, it's the best ROM I have ever used.
cookiecoookie@lemmy.world · 122 pts · 104d
Would be nice to have a non Google device with GrapheneOS
gnuplusmatt@reddthat.com · 104 pts · 104d
Motorola is supposed to be doing Graphene supported phones soon, whether thats from the factory or with an official installer I am not sure
EliteCloneMike@lemmy.zip · 30 pts · 103d
Seems likely at this moment that Motorola phones will run GrapheneOS be right out the gate as it is a partnership. Just hopefully it’s not a one sided partnership and Motorola doesn’t strong arm the GrapheneOS people into something that is more locked away and just works like an app. https://www.digitaltrends.com/phones/motorola-plans-to-put-grapheneos-on-phones-so-why-is-it-a-big-deal/
dogs0n@sh.itjust.works · 19 pts · 103d
From the outside, this doesn't look one sided to me and Motorola (Lenovo) won't want GrapheneOS "locked away".
Motorola partnered with GrapheneOS explicitly because they want the highest security for their enterprise phones (in my opinion), so Motorola demanding GrapheneOS be less secure would be silly for them anyways since they prioritise enterprise (as far as I know).
And in any case, if Motorola caused beef with the GrapheneOS team, I believe in GrapheneOS's morals to ignore stupidity. They probably have a contract anyways that states Motorola have near zero influence over the OS.
Holytimes@sh.itjust.works · 12 pts · 103d
Lenovo and Dell are some of the only companies that actually care about Linux weirdly enough. That also arnt Linux software developers anyways. If anyone's goanna do it "right" it's those two.
fodor@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 103d
Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 103d
Enterprise wants it to be managable in case of loss or theft.
Security is a nice to have.
mlg@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 103d
Lenovo running the show is what makes it viable, otherwise I would have thought it was a Google backed conspiracy to drain GrapheneOS resources on a product that would never release.
Tbh the mobile industry is long overdue for some competitive upgrades anyway. A lot of their underlying functionality has fallen far behind desktop OSs.
EliteCloneMike@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 103d
It’s too bad that the software and hardware are not wholly independent. As for Google pulling that kind of nonsense, I wouldn’t put it past them. They are as sketchy as sketchy gets. But this seems isolated and out of the prying hands/eyes of Google (hopefully).
imdoneinteracting@sh.itjust.works · 18 pts · 104d
sanitation@lemmy.radio · 13 pts · 103d
WhoIzDisIz@lemmy.today · 7 pts · 103d
It's definitely meant for their Enterprise customers.
spicehoarder@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 103d
Then hopefully M$ Authenticator and banking apps will work on it.
WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 103d
so, only the most expensive phones not even my small company will afford
FG_3479@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 103d
The Moto Signature which is their highest end phone is £900, and a price comparison site can get you an under £40 contract, so the successor should be similar.
rumba@lemmy.zip · 7 pts · 103d
Short answer, whoever buys them, all of the above. But consider, that with the whole world's slide to the default invasion of privacy, the privacy crowd might well get invaded by the average Joe tired of all the shit.
LifeLikeLady@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 103d
Won't happen in the US ironically.
Graphene refuses to collect user data. So all those new age verification laws, yeah they just eliminated our chance to go back to the good old days of Android.
paraphrand@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 102d
Graphene does not need to collect that data. it's the websites, apps and services that want it. Not Graphene.
What you are implying is like saying Graphene won't let a phone do any location services at all. And I doubt Graphene doesn't support Maps.
LifeLikeLady@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 102d
Spoken like someone who hasn't seen what the Graphene team themselves have said on the matter.
And also someone who doesn't understand current US laws going into effect.
This is an OS level requirement now.
paraphrand@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 102d
They might refuse adding APIs and refuse to collect data. These are separate things though.
But upon looking closer, I guess at least one law wants the age check to happen at device setup instead of on the fly? Then I guess that falls into collecting data.
kiranraine@reddthat.com · 2 pts · 103d
I want to applaud that but not if its the same as Google android where you're waiting a year or more for an update. So many features I wanted over the years and was stuck to 11 or 12 at the time(or earlier idk which that thing had but it was a common occurrence since i had the issue with 2 diff phones)
FauxLiving@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 103d
It's an HTC device, Google has just consumed the entire tech sector.
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 103d
Really need Theodore Roosevelt to rise from his grave and start taking his big stick to all the big, monopolistic companies again.
FauxLiving@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 102d
We can only hope AI discovers necromancy before we all fall to techno-fascism.
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world · 41 pts · 103d
"Be evil." ~Google
SwifferWetjet@thelemmy.club · 35 pts · 104d
Lol "flaw"
Guess I'm ditching android fully. Anyone got any reccos for something with a pricetag that won't make me cry and no Google bullshit?
CubitOom@infosec.pub · 13 pts · 104d
If you live in a market the Jolla phone doesn't support, then the sony xperia 10 mk3 with sailfish-os
Dojan@pawb.social · 5 pts · 104d
Why does their own phone run Ubuntu Touch and not Sailfish? Or do they have multiple flavours available?
CubitOom@infosec.pub · 6 pts · 104d
I was wrong, the Jolla phone comes with sailfish. I must have confused it with something else.
I've updated my comment above.
Dojan@pawb.social · 3 pts · 104d
Cheers. I mean that’s on me for not checking. aww
SwifferWetjet@thelemmy.club · 2 pts · 104d
Oh beautiful! Thanks 😊
Reygle@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 104d
In case you're not in a rush to replace anything, all us graphene fans are anxiously awaiting their first "sold with graphene" phones from Motorola. No ETA though.
MaggiWuerze@feddit.org · 5 pts · 104d
Jolla Phone? The new one I'd on pre order currently and will deliver in June
inari@piefed.zip · 2 pts · 104d
Used Pixel 3 with pmOS. Under $100, too!
henfredemars@infosec.pub · 16 pts · 104d
Extremely lame work by Google. Infeasible? Why? This is absolutely a security vulnerability. Any ad SDK on any app on your phone can use it to associate your VPN activity.
WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 103d
as an ad company they know that perfectly well
0_o7@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 103d
It's in the same way infeasible as implementing network/data block for individual apps. This feature has been on custom ROMs for a decade but never got into Android.
They've been baking Android for ads and surveillance and are now clamping down harder into how people can customize it.
They aren't even afraid to hide these features as "bugs" anymore. If you turn off background data for an app on pixel, it will turn back on automatically when you reboot.
Also a thing about the government spying on notifications. Even if you disable notifications for your browser, if you ever play a media on it, it will show up on conveniently above the notifications panel. Sketchy AF.
Phantaloons@piefed.zip · 8 pts · 103d
That's my secret, Cap, I'm always outdated.
-Lineage User
Rod_Orm@piefed.world · 7 pts · 104d
Oh yeah i remember that bug, they still not patch that!? Who knows with their other product like chromium
CaffeinatedCubits@programming.dev · 5 pts · 103d
I need graphene on my Samsung phone
jjlinux@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 102d
Crazy. The moment I started reading this, GOS's update dropped on my phone 🤣